A gamepad would definitely be LESS precise as each potentiometer will map data between 0 and 255. But i've never found this to be a problem.
Pierre
2010/6/8 Pierre Massat pimassat@gmail.com
I guess it could, only Arduino is more expensive i suppose. I'll try to provide you with some pictures sometime soon.
Pierre
2010/6/8 Achim Bloch achim.bloch@yahoo.fr
Hi Pierre
could you provide more details on how you built your pedal? Could'nt the gamepad be replaced with an Arduino? Thanks, Cyrill
--- En date de : *Mar 8.6.10, Pierre Massat pimassat@gmail.com* a écrit :
De: Pierre Massat pimassat@gmail.com Objet: Re: [PD] Looking for a pedal controller À: "Achim Bloch" achim.bloch@yahoo.fr, "pd-list" pd-list@iem.at Date: Mardi 8 juin 2010, 7h25
Hi Achim, You'll have no latency problems with a USB pedal in Linux using the [hid] object. No "noticeable" latency at least. There are two problems arising when attempting to built a USB pedal : first you need to actually make the pedal (the traditional cry baby design is probably the easiest way to go), then you need to connect it to a good usb gamepad. I insist on the "good" here because it is essential if you want to have a decent expression pedal. The best would be to test the gamepad before buying it and turning it into a pedal.
Pierre
2010/6/7 Achim Bloch <achim.bloch@yahoo.frhttp://mc/compose?to=achim.bloch@yahoo.fr
Hi Pierre and thanx for your answer. I am looking for an expression foot controller. Something working somehow like a wah-wah pedal. But I am unsure if I need a device with an OSC dedicated driver, or if any USB pedal would do the job. What I primarily expect from this device is accuracy, and low-latency. Do you have any examples (photographs, audio samples) of the device you made? I am curious! Achim
--- En date de : *Dim 6.6.10, Pierre Massat <pimassat@gmail.comhttp://mc/compose?to=pimassat@gmail.com
- a écrit :
De: Pierre Massat <pimassat@gmail.comhttp://mc/compose?to=pimassat@gmail.com
Objet: Re: [PD] Looking for a pedal controller À: "Achim Bloch" <achim.bloch@yahoo.frhttp://mc/compose?to=achim.bloch@yahoo.fr
Date: Dimanche 6 juin 2010, 20h40
Hi Achim, I've built one myself, based on a usb gamepad. I can give you some tips. But you'll have to be more precise about what you really need (expression pedal or just switches?)
Pierre
2010/6/6 Achim Bloch <achim.bloch@yahoo.frhttp://mc/compose?to=achim.bloch@yahoo.fr
Hi listees I'm looking for a pedal controller that is accurate enough to send OSC messages to pd, in order to control some effect patches for my guitar. Can anyone help me in finding a good one, maybe providing a perqsonal experience feedback? Thanks in advance, Achim
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Actually, an arduino is more than enough for what you want. you can have data from 0 to 1023, that is quite a lot, plus, you can use it directly on puredta using pduino, no need for OSC.
2010/6/8 Pierre Massat pimassat@gmail.com
A gamepad would definitely be LESS precise as each potentiometer will map data between 0 and 255. But i've never found this to be a problem.
Pierre
2010/6/8 Pierre Massat pimassat@gmail.com
I guess it could, only Arduino is more expensive i suppose. I'll try to provide you with some pictures sometime soon.
Pierre
2010/6/8 Achim Bloch achim.bloch@yahoo.fr
Hi Pierre
could you provide more details on how you built your pedal? Could'nt the gamepad be replaced with an Arduino? Thanks, Cyrill
--- En date de : *Mar 8.6.10, Pierre Massat pimassat@gmail.com* a écrit :
De: Pierre Massat pimassat@gmail.com Objet: Re: [PD] Looking for a pedal controller À: "Achim Bloch" achim.bloch@yahoo.fr, "pd-list" pd-list@iem.at Date: Mardi 8 juin 2010, 7h25
Hi Achim, You'll have no latency problems with a USB pedal in Linux using the [hid] object. No "noticeable" latency at least. There are two problems arising when attempting to built a USB pedal : first you need to actually make the pedal (the traditional cry baby design is probably the easiest way to go), then you need to connect it to a good usb gamepad. I insist on the "good" here because it is essential if you want to have a decent expression pedal. The best would be to test the gamepad before buying it and turning it into a pedal.
Pierre
2010/6/7 Achim Bloch <achim.bloch@yahoo.frhttp://mc/compose?to=achim.bloch@yahoo.fr
Hi Pierre and thanx for your answer. I am looking for an expression foot controller. Something working somehow like a wah-wah pedal. But I am unsure if I need a device with an OSC dedicated driver, or if any USB pedal would do the job. What I primarily expect from this device is accuracy, and low-latency. Do you have any examples (photographs, audio samples) of the device you made? I am curious! Achim
--- En date de : *Dim 6.6.10, Pierre Massat <pimassat@gmail.comhttp://mc/compose?to=pimassat@gmail.com
- a écrit :
De: Pierre Massat <pimassat@gmail.comhttp://mc/compose?to=pimassat@gmail.com
Objet: Re: [PD] Looking for a pedal controller À: "Achim Bloch" <achim.bloch@yahoo.frhttp://mc/compose?to=achim.bloch@yahoo.fr
Date: Dimanche 6 juin 2010, 20h40
Hi Achim, I've built one myself, based on a usb gamepad. I can give you some tips. But you'll have to be more precise about what you really need (expression pedal or just switches?)
Pierre
2010/6/6 Achim Bloch <achim.bloch@yahoo.frhttp://mc/compose?to=achim.bloch@yahoo.fr
Hi listees I'm looking for a pedal controller that is accurate enough to send OSC messages to pd, in order to control some effect patches for my guitar. Can anyone help me in finding a good one, maybe providing a perqsonal experience feedback? Thanks in advance, Achim
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Actually, an arduino is more than enough for what you want. you can have
data from 0 to 1023, that is >quite a lot, plus, you can use it directly on puredta using pduino, no need for OSC. I second that, arduino will do! But if you want to built an "pd-independent" device, you can use OSC in arduino - although much harder than simply reading values with pduino - some guys already posted code for sending OSC messages from arduino devices [1], so then you can plug it to whatever you want: pd, ardour, osc-to-midi apps, processing, supercollider :D
[1] http://recotana.com/recotanablog/?page_id=222 (this ships the messages from ethernet cable on the arduino's ethernet shield, but there might be more similar projects that ship from usb)
On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 10:24 PM, Ricardo Lameiro ricardolameiro@gmail.comwrote:
Actually, an arduino is more than enough for what you want. you can have data from 0 to 1023, that is quite a lot, plus, you can use it directly on puredta using pduino, no need for OSC.
2010/6/8 Pierre Massat pimassat@gmail.com
A gamepad would definitely be LESS precise as each potentiometer will map data between 0 and 255. But i've never found this to be a problem.
Pierre
2010/6/8 Pierre Massat pimassat@gmail.com
I guess it could, only Arduino is more expensive i suppose. I'll try to provide you with some pictures sometime soon.
Pierre
2010/6/8 Achim Bloch achim.bloch@yahoo.fr
Hi Pierre
could you provide more details on how you built your pedal? Could'nt the gamepad be replaced with an Arduino? Thanks, Cyrill
--- En date de : *Mar 8.6.10, Pierre Massat pimassat@gmail.com* a écrit :
De: Pierre Massat pimassat@gmail.com Objet: Re: [PD] Looking for a pedal controller À: "Achim Bloch" achim.bloch@yahoo.fr, "pd-list" pd-list@iem.at Date: Mardi 8 juin 2010, 7h25
Hi Achim, You'll have no latency problems with a USB pedal in Linux using the [hid] object. No "noticeable" latency at least. There are two problems arising when attempting to built a USB pedal : first you need to actually make the pedal (the traditional cry baby design is probably the easiest way to go), then you need to connect it to a good usb gamepad. I insist on the "good" here because it is essential if you want to have a decent expression pedal. The best would be to test the gamepad before buying it and turning it into a pedal.
Pierre
2010/6/7 Achim Bloch <achim.bloch@yahoo.frhttp://mc/compose?to=achim.bloch@yahoo.fr
Hi Pierre and thanx for your answer. I am looking for an expression foot controller. Something working somehow like a wah-wah pedal. But I am unsure if I need a device with an OSC dedicated driver, or if any USB pedal would do the job. What I primarily expect from this device is accuracy, and low-latency. Do you have any examples (photographs, audio samples) of the device you made? I am curious! Achim
--- En date de : *Dim 6.6.10, Pierre Massat <pimassat@gmail.comhttp://mc/compose?to=pimassat@gmail.com
- a écrit :
De: Pierre Massat <pimassat@gmail.comhttp://mc/compose?to=pimassat@gmail.com
Objet: Re: [PD] Looking for a pedal controller À: "Achim Bloch" <achim.bloch@yahoo.frhttp://mc/compose?to=achim.bloch@yahoo.fr
Date: Dimanche 6 juin 2010, 20h40
Hi Achim, I've built one myself, based on a usb gamepad. I can give you some tips. But you'll have to be more precise about what you really need (expression pedal or just switches?)
Pierre
2010/6/6 Achim Bloch <achim.bloch@yahoo.frhttp://mc/compose?to=achim.bloch@yahoo.fr
Hi listees I'm looking for a pedal controller that is accurate enough to send OSC messages to pd, in order to control some effect patches for my guitar. Can anyone help me in finding a good one, maybe providing a perqsonal experience feedback? Thanks in advance, Achim
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Or you can use an arduino and send midi messages through pitch-bend or one of those high-res midi messages...
J
On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 2:37 PM, Pedro Lopes pedro.lopes@ist.utl.pt wrote:
Actually, an arduino is more than enough for what you want. you can have
data from 0 to 1023, that is >quite a lot, plus, you can use it directly on puredta using pduino, no need for OSC. I second that, arduino will do! But if you want to built an "pd-independent" device, you can use OSC in arduino - although much harder than simply reading values with pduino - some guys already posted code for sending OSC messages from arduino devices [1], so then you can plug it to whatever you want: pd, ardour, osc-to-midi apps, processing, supercollider :D
[1] http://recotana.com/recotanablog/?page_id=222 (this ships the messages from ethernet cable on the arduino's ethernet shield, but there might be more similar projects that ship from usb)
On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 10:24 PM, Ricardo Lameiro <ricardolameiro@gmail.com
wrote:
Actually, an arduino is more than enough for what you want. you can have data from 0 to 1023, that is quite a lot, plus, you can use it directly on puredta using pduino, no need for OSC.
2010/6/8 Pierre Massat pimassat@gmail.com
A gamepad would definitely be LESS precise as each potentiometer will map data between 0 and 255. But i've never found this to be a problem.
Pierre
2010/6/8 Pierre Massat pimassat@gmail.com
I guess it could, only Arduino is more expensive i suppose. I'll try to provide you with some pictures sometime soon.
Pierre
2010/6/8 Achim Bloch achim.bloch@yahoo.fr
Hi Pierre
could you provide more details on how you built your pedal? Could'nt the gamepad be replaced with an Arduino? Thanks, Cyrill
--- En date de : *Mar 8.6.10, Pierre Massat pimassat@gmail.com* a écrit :
De: Pierre Massat pimassat@gmail.com Objet: Re: [PD] Looking for a pedal controller À: "Achim Bloch" achim.bloch@yahoo.fr, "pd-list" pd-list@iem.at Date: Mardi 8 juin 2010, 7h25
Hi Achim, You'll have no latency problems with a USB pedal in Linux using the [hid] object. No "noticeable" latency at least. There are two problems arising when attempting to built a USB pedal : first you need to actually make the pedal (the traditional cry baby design is probably the easiest way to go), then you need to connect it to a good usb gamepad. I insist on the "good" here because it is essential if you want to have a decent expression pedal. The best would be to test the gamepad before buying it and turning it into a pedal.
Pierre
2010/6/7 Achim Bloch <achim.bloch@yahoo.frhttp://mc/compose?to=achim.bloch@yahoo.fr
Hi Pierre and thanx for your answer. I am looking for an expression foot controller. Something working somehow like a wah-wah pedal. But I am unsure if I need a device with an OSC dedicated driver, or if any USB pedal would do the job. What I primarily expect from this device is accuracy, and low-latency. Do you have any examples (photographs, audio samples) of the device you made? I am curious! Achim
--- En date de : *Dim 6.6.10, Pierre Massat <pimassat@gmail.comhttp://mc/compose?to=pimassat@gmail.com >* a écrit :
De: Pierre Massat <pimassat@gmail.comhttp://mc/compose?to=pimassat@gmail.com > Objet: Re: [PD] Looking for a pedal controller À: "Achim Bloch" <achim.bloch@yahoo.frhttp://mc/compose?to=achim.bloch@yahoo.fr > Date: Dimanche 6 juin 2010, 20h40
Hi Achim, I've built one myself, based on a usb gamepad. I can give you some tips. But you'll have to be more precise about what you really need (expression pedal or just switches?)
Pierre
2010/6/6 Achim Bloch <achim.bloch@yahoo.frhttp://mc/compose?to=achim.bloch@yahoo.fr >
> Hi listees > I'm looking for a pedal controller that is accurate enough to send > OSC messages to pd, in order to control some effect patches for my guitar. > Can anyone help me in finding a good one, maybe providing a perqsonal > experience feedback? > Thanks in advance, > Achim > > > > _______________________________________________ > Pd-list@iem.at http://mc/compose?to=Pd-list@iem.at mailing list > UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> > http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list > >
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Nice idea, I didn't realize that. So I went and checked the MIDI 1.0 implementation chart[1] its a cool trick, it gives another byte of information apparently as stated here[2]:
Pitch Bend MSB + LSB
Always learning...thanks :)
[1] http://www.midi.org/techspecs/midimessages.php [2] http://www.cs.cf.ac.uk/Dave/Multimedia/node158.html
On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 10:47 PM, Jaime Oliver jaime.oliver2@gmail.comwrote:
Or you can use an arduino and send midi messages through pitch-bend or one of those high-res midi messages...
J
On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 2:37 PM, Pedro Lopes pedro.lopes@ist.utl.ptwrote:
Actually, an arduino is more than enough for what you want. you can have
data from 0 to 1023, that is >quite a lot, plus, you can use it directly on puredta using pduino, no need for OSC. I second that, arduino will do! But if you want to built an "pd-independent" device, you can use OSC in arduino - although much harder than simply reading values with pduino - some guys already posted code for sending OSC messages from arduino devices [1], so then you can plug it to whatever you want: pd, ardour, osc-to-midi apps, processing, supercollider :D
[1] http://recotana.com/recotanablog/?page_id=222 (this ships the messages from ethernet cable on the arduino's ethernet shield, but there might be more similar projects that ship from usb)
On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 10:24 PM, Ricardo Lameiro < ricardolameiro@gmail.com> wrote:
Actually, an arduino is more than enough for what you want. you can have data from 0 to 1023, that is quite a lot, plus, you can use it directly on puredta using pduino, no need for OSC.
2010/6/8 Pierre Massat pimassat@gmail.com
A gamepad would definitely be LESS precise as each potentiometer will map data between 0 and 255. But i've never found this to be a problem.
Pierre
2010/6/8 Pierre Massat pimassat@gmail.com
I guess it could, only Arduino is more expensive i suppose. I'll try to provide you with some pictures sometime soon.
Pierre
2010/6/8 Achim Bloch achim.bloch@yahoo.fr
Hi Pierre
could you provide more details on how you built your pedal? Could'nt the gamepad be replaced with an Arduino? Thanks, Cyrill
--- En date de : *Mar 8.6.10, Pierre Massat pimassat@gmail.com* a écrit :
De: Pierre Massat pimassat@gmail.com Objet: Re: [PD] Looking for a pedal controller À: "Achim Bloch" achim.bloch@yahoo.fr, "pd-list" pd-list@iem.at Date: Mardi 8 juin 2010, 7h25
Hi Achim, You'll have no latency problems with a USB pedal in Linux using the [hid] object. No "noticeable" latency at least. There are two problems arising when attempting to built a USB pedal : first you need to actually make the pedal (the traditional cry baby design is probably the easiest way to go), then you need to connect it to a good usb gamepad. I insist on the "good" here because it is essential if you want to have a decent expression pedal. The best would be to test the gamepad before buying it and turning it into a pedal.
Pierre
2010/6/7 Achim Bloch <achim.bloch@yahoo.frhttp://mc/compose?to=achim.bloch@yahoo.fr >
> Hi Pierre > and thanx for your answer. > I am looking for an expression foot controller. Something working > somehow like a wah-wah pedal. But I am unsure if I need a device with an OSC > dedicated driver, or if any USB pedal would do the job. What I primarily > expect from this device is accuracy, and low-latency. > Do you have any examples (photographs, audio samples) of the device > you made? I am curious! > Achim > > --- En date de : *Dim 6.6.10, Pierre Massat <pimassat@gmail.comhttp://mc/compose?to=pimassat@gmail.com > >* a écrit : > > > De: Pierre Massat <pimassat@gmail.comhttp://mc/compose?to=pimassat@gmail.com > > > Objet: Re: [PD] Looking for a pedal controller > À: "Achim Bloch" <achim.bloch@yahoo.frhttp://mc/compose?to=achim.bloch@yahoo.fr > > > Date: Dimanche 6 juin 2010, 20h40 > > > Hi Achim, > I've built one myself, based on a usb gamepad. I can give you some > tips. But you'll have to be more precise about what you really need > (expression pedal or just switches?) > > Pierre > > 2010/6/6 Achim Bloch <achim.bloch@yahoo.frhttp://mc/compose?to=achim.bloch@yahoo.fr > > > >> Hi listees >> I'm looking for a pedal controller that is accurate enough to send >> OSC messages to pd, in order to control some effect patches for my guitar. >> Can anyone help me in finding a good one, maybe providing a >> perqsonal experience feedback? >> Thanks in advance, >> Achim >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pd-list@iem.at http://mc/compose?to=Pd-list@iem.at mailing list >> UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> >> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Pd-list@iem.at http://mc/compose?to=Pd-list@iem.at mailing list > UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> > http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list > >
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hmm, You want to read out some analog Voltage between 0 and 5 Volts and then takes this value out with a Midi Pitch Bend Message? Great Idea... I am very interessted in this patch... In 2 Weeks I will to a workshop. Ten i will discuss these Idea... If anyone hat such an Arduino - Patch, i ´m very interessted to get these!1
Hans
2010/6/8 Pedro Lopes pedro.lopes@ist.utl.pt
Nice idea, I didn't realize that. So I went and checked the MIDI 1.0 implementation chart[1] its a cool trick, it gives another byte of information apparently as stated here[2]:
Pitch Bend MSB + LSB
Always learning...thanks :)
[1] http://www.midi.org/techspecs/midimessages.php [2] http://www.cs.cf.ac.uk/Dave/Multimedia/node158.html
On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 10:47 PM, Jaime Oliver jaime.oliver2@gmail.comwrote:
Or you can use an arduino and send midi messages through pitch-bend or one of those high-res midi messages...
J
On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 2:37 PM, Pedro Lopes pedro.lopes@ist.utl.ptwrote:
Actually, an arduino is more than enough for what you want. you can have
data from 0 to 1023, that is >quite a lot, plus, you can use it directly on puredta using pduino, no need for OSC. I second that, arduino will do! But if you want to built an "pd-independent" device, you can use OSC in arduino - although much harder than simply reading values with pduino - some guys already posted code for sending OSC messages from arduino devices [1], so then you can plug it to whatever you want: pd, ardour, osc-to-midi apps, processing, supercollider :D
[1] http://recotana.com/recotanablog/?page_id=222 (this ships the messages from ethernet cable on the arduino's ethernet shield, but there might be more similar projects that ship from usb)
On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 10:24 PM, Ricardo Lameiro < ricardolameiro@gmail.com> wrote:
Actually, an arduino is more than enough for what you want. you can have data from 0 to 1023, that is quite a lot, plus, you can use it directly on puredta using pduino, no need for OSC.
2010/6/8 Pierre Massat pimassat@gmail.com
A gamepad would definitely be LESS precise as each potentiometer will map data between 0 and 255. But i've never found this to be a problem.
Pierre
2010/6/8 Pierre Massat pimassat@gmail.com
I guess it could, only Arduino is more expensive i suppose. I'll try to provide you with some pictures sometime soon.
Pierre
2010/6/8 Achim Bloch achim.bloch@yahoo.fr
Hi Pierre > could you provide more details on how you built your pedal? Could'nt > the gamepad be replaced with an Arduino? > Thanks, > Cyrill > > > --- En date de : *Mar 8.6.10, Pierre Massat pimassat@gmail.com* a > écrit : > > > De: Pierre Massat pimassat@gmail.com > Objet: Re: [PD] Looking for a pedal controller > À: "Achim Bloch" achim.bloch@yahoo.fr, "pd-list" pd-list@iem.at > Date: Mardi 8 juin 2010, 7h25 > > > Hi Achim, > You'll have no latency problems with a USB pedal in Linux using the > [hid] object. No "noticeable" latency at least. > There are two problems arising when attempting to built a USB pedal : > first you need to actually make the pedal (the traditional cry baby design > is probably the easiest way to go), then you need to connect it to a good > usb gamepad. I insist on the "good" here because it is essential if you want > to have a decent expression pedal. The best would be to test the gamepad > before buying it and turning it into a pedal. > > Pierre > > > 2010/6/7 Achim Bloch <achim.bloch@yahoo.frhttp://mc/compose?to=achim.bloch@yahoo.fr > > > >> Hi Pierre >> and thanx for your answer. >> I am looking for an expression foot controller. Something working >> somehow like a wah-wah pedal. But I am unsure if I need a device with an OSC >> dedicated driver, or if any USB pedal would do the job. What I primarily >> expect from this device is accuracy, and low-latency. >> Do you have any examples (photographs, audio samples) of the device >> you made? I am curious! >> Achim >> >> --- En date de : *Dim 6.6.10, Pierre Massat <pimassat@gmail.comhttp://mc/compose?to=pimassat@gmail.com >> >* a écrit : >> >> >> De: Pierre Massat <pimassat@gmail.comhttp://mc/compose?to=pimassat@gmail.com >> > >> Objet: Re: [PD] Looking for a pedal controller >> À: "Achim Bloch" <achim.bloch@yahoo.frhttp://mc/compose?to=achim.bloch@yahoo.fr >> > >> Date: Dimanche 6 juin 2010, 20h40 >> >> >> Hi Achim, >> I've built one myself, based on a usb gamepad. I can give you some >> tips. But you'll have to be more precise about what you really need >> (expression pedal or just switches?) >> >> Pierre >> >> 2010/6/6 Achim Bloch <achim.bloch@yahoo.frhttp://mc/compose?to=achim.bloch@yahoo.fr >> > >> >>> Hi listees >>> I'm looking for a pedal controller that is accurate enough to send >>> OSC messages to pd, in order to control some effect patches for my guitar. >>> Can anyone help me in finding a good one, maybe providing a >>> perqsonal experience feedback? >>> Thanks in advance, >>> Achim >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Pd-list@iem.at http://mc/compose?to=Pd-list@iem.at mailing list >>> UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> >>> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list >>> >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pd-list@iem.at http://mc/compose?to=Pd-list@iem.at mailing list >> UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> >> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list >> >> > >
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Well, I have ordered the arduinos, but should get to them in about a week. I think I'll go with one of these:
http://www.midi-store.com/Moog-Moogerfooger-EP-2-Expression-pedal-p-16985.ht...
On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 3:02 PM, hghoyer mail@hghoyer.de wrote:
hmm, You want to read out some analog Voltage between 0 and 5 Volts and then takes this value out with a Midi Pitch Bend Message? Great Idea... I am very interessted in this patch... In 2 Weeks I will to a workshop. Ten i will discuss these Idea... If anyone hat such an Arduino - Patch, i ´m very interessted to get these!1
Hans
2010/6/8 Pedro Lopes pedro.lopes@ist.utl.pt
Nice idea, I didn't realize that. So I went and checked the MIDI 1.0
implementation chart[1] its a cool trick, it gives another byte of information apparently as stated here[2]:
Pitch Bend MSB + LSB
Always learning...thanks :)
[1] http://www.midi.org/techspecs/midimessages.php [2] http://www.cs.cf.ac.uk/Dave/Multimedia/node158.html
On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 10:47 PM, Jaime Oliver jaime.oliver2@gmail.comwrote:
Or you can use an arduino and send midi messages through pitch-bend or one of those high-res midi messages...
J
On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 2:37 PM, Pedro Lopes pedro.lopes@ist.utl.ptwrote:
Actually, an arduino is more than enough for what you want. you can
have data from 0 to 1023, that is >quite a lot, plus, you can use it directly on puredta using pduino, no need for OSC. I second that, arduino will do! But if you want to built an "pd-independent" device, you can use OSC in arduino - although much harder than simply reading values with pduino - some guys already posted code for sending OSC messages from arduino devices [1], so then you can plug it to whatever you want: pd, ardour, osc-to-midi apps, processing, supercollider :D
[1] http://recotana.com/recotanablog/?page_id=222 (this ships the messages from ethernet cable on the arduino's ethernet shield, but there might be more similar projects that ship from usb)
On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 10:24 PM, Ricardo Lameiro < ricardolameiro@gmail.com> wrote:
Actually, an arduino is more than enough for what you want. you can have data from 0 to 1023, that is quite a lot, plus, you can use it directly on puredta using pduino, no need for OSC.
2010/6/8 Pierre Massat pimassat@gmail.com
A gamepad would definitely be LESS precise as each potentiometer will map data between 0 and 255. But i've never found this to be a problem.
Pierre
2010/6/8 Pierre Massat pimassat@gmail.com
> I guess it could, only Arduino is more expensive i suppose. I'll try > to provide you with some pictures sometime soon. > > Pierre > > 2010/6/8 Achim Bloch achim.bloch@yahoo.fr > > Hi Pierre >> could you provide more details on how you built your pedal? Could'nt >> the gamepad be replaced with an Arduino? >> Thanks, >> Cyrill >> >> >> --- En date de : *Mar 8.6.10, Pierre Massat pimassat@gmail.com* a >> écrit : >> >> >> De: Pierre Massat pimassat@gmail.com >> Objet: Re: [PD] Looking for a pedal controller >> À: "Achim Bloch" achim.bloch@yahoo.fr, "pd-list" pd-list@iem.at >> Date: Mardi 8 juin 2010, 7h25 >> >> >> Hi Achim, >> You'll have no latency problems with a USB pedal in Linux using the >> [hid] object. No "noticeable" latency at least. >> There are two problems arising when attempting to built a USB pedal >> : first you need to actually make the pedal (the traditional cry baby design >> is probably the easiest way to go), then you need to connect it to a good >> usb gamepad. I insist on the "good" here because it is essential if you want >> to have a decent expression pedal. The best would be to test the gamepad >> before buying it and turning it into a pedal. >> >> Pierre >> >> >> 2010/6/7 Achim Bloch <achim.bloch@yahoo.frhttp://mc/compose?to=achim.bloch@yahoo.fr >> > >> >>> Hi Pierre >>> and thanx for your answer. >>> I am looking for an expression foot controller. Something working >>> somehow like a wah-wah pedal. But I am unsure if I need a device with an OSC >>> dedicated driver, or if any USB pedal would do the job. What I primarily >>> expect from this device is accuracy, and low-latency. >>> Do you have any examples (photographs, audio samples) of the device >>> you made? I am curious! >>> Achim >>> >>> --- En date de : *Dim 6.6.10, Pierre Massat <pimassat@gmail.comhttp://mc/compose?to=pimassat@gmail.com >>> >* a écrit : >>> >>> >>> De: Pierre Massat <pimassat@gmail.comhttp://mc/compose?to=pimassat@gmail.com >>> > >>> Objet: Re: [PD] Looking for a pedal controller >>> À: "Achim Bloch" <achim.bloch@yahoo.frhttp://mc/compose?to=achim.bloch@yahoo.fr >>> > >>> Date: Dimanche 6 juin 2010, 20h40 >>> >>> >>> Hi Achim, >>> I've built one myself, based on a usb gamepad. I can give you some >>> tips. But you'll have to be more precise about what you really need >>> (expression pedal or just switches?) >>> >>> Pierre >>> >>> 2010/6/6 Achim Bloch <achim.bloch@yahoo.frhttp://mc/compose?to=achim.bloch@yahoo.fr >>> > >>> >>>> Hi listees >>>> I'm looking for a pedal controller that is accurate enough to send >>>> OSC messages to pd, in order to control some effect patches for my guitar. >>>> Can anyone help me in finding a good one, maybe providing a >>>> perqsonal experience feedback? >>>> Thanks in advance, >>>> Achim >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Pd-list@iem.at http://mc/compose?to=Pd-list@iem.at mailing list >>>> UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> >>>> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Pd-list@iem.at http://mc/compose?to=Pd-list@iem.at mailing list >>> UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> >>> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list >>> >>> >> >> >
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A friend of mine (guitarist) loves that pedal, quoting: - "really study and heavy".
On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 11:25 PM, Jaime Oliver jaime.oliver2@gmail.comwrote:
Well, I have ordered the arduinos, but should get to them in about a week. I think I'll go with one of these:
http://www.midi-store.com/Moog-Moogerfooger-EP-2-Expression-pedal-p-16985.ht...
On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 3:02 PM, hghoyer mail@hghoyer.de wrote:
hmm, You want to read out some analog Voltage between 0 and 5 Volts and then takes this value out with a Midi Pitch Bend Message? Great Idea... I am very interessted in this patch... In 2 Weeks I will to a workshop. Ten i will discuss these Idea... If anyone hat such an Arduino - Patch, i ´m very interessted to get these!1
Hans
2010/6/8 Pedro Lopes pedro.lopes@ist.utl.pt
Nice idea, I didn't realize that. So I went and checked the MIDI 1.0
implementation chart[1] its a cool trick, it gives another byte of information apparently as stated here[2]:
Pitch Bend MSB + LSB
Always learning...thanks :)
[1] http://www.midi.org/techspecs/midimessages.php [2] http://www.cs.cf.ac.uk/Dave/Multimedia/node158.html
On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 10:47 PM, Jaime Oliver jaime.oliver2@gmail.comwrote:
Or you can use an arduino and send midi messages through pitch-bend or one of those high-res midi messages...
J
On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 2:37 PM, Pedro Lopes pedro.lopes@ist.utl.ptwrote:
Actually, an arduino is more than enough for what you want. you can
have data from 0 to 1023, that is >quite a lot, plus, you can use it directly on puredta using pduino, no need for OSC. I second that, arduino will do! But if you want to built an "pd-independent" device, you can use OSC in arduino - although much harder than simply reading values with pduino - some guys already posted code for sending OSC messages from arduino devices [1], so then you can plug it to whatever you want: pd, ardour, osc-to-midi apps, processing, supercollider :D
[1] http://recotana.com/recotanablog/?page_id=222 (this ships the messages from ethernet cable on the arduino's ethernet shield, but there might be more similar projects that ship from usb)
On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 10:24 PM, Ricardo Lameiro < ricardolameiro@gmail.com> wrote:
Actually, an arduino is more than enough for what you want. you can have data from 0 to 1023, that is quite a lot, plus, you can use it directly on puredta using pduino, no need for OSC.
2010/6/8 Pierre Massat pimassat@gmail.com
> A gamepad would definitely be LESS precise as each potentiometer will > map data between 0 and 255. But i've never found this to be a problem. > > Pierre > > 2010/6/8 Pierre Massat pimassat@gmail.com > >> I guess it could, only Arduino is more expensive i suppose. I'll try >> to provide you with some pictures sometime soon. >> >> Pierre >> >> 2010/6/8 Achim Bloch achim.bloch@yahoo.fr >> >> Hi Pierre >>> could you provide more details on how you built your pedal? >>> Could'nt the gamepad be replaced with an Arduino? >>> Thanks, >>> Cyrill >>> >>> >>> --- En date de : *Mar 8.6.10, Pierre Massat pimassat@gmail.com*a écrit : >>> >>> >>> De: Pierre Massat pimassat@gmail.com >>> Objet: Re: [PD] Looking for a pedal controller >>> À: "Achim Bloch" achim.bloch@yahoo.fr, "pd-list" <pd-list@iem.at >>> > >>> Date: Mardi 8 juin 2010, 7h25 >>> >>> >>> Hi Achim, >>> You'll have no latency problems with a USB pedal in Linux using the >>> [hid] object. No "noticeable" latency at least. >>> There are two problems arising when attempting to built a USB pedal >>> : first you need to actually make the pedal (the traditional cry baby design >>> is probably the easiest way to go), then you need to connect it to a good >>> usb gamepad. I insist on the "good" here because it is essential if you want >>> to have a decent expression pedal. The best would be to test the gamepad >>> before buying it and turning it into a pedal. >>> >>> Pierre >>> >>> >>> 2010/6/7 Achim Bloch <achim.bloch@yahoo.frhttp://mc/compose?to=achim.bloch@yahoo.fr >>> > >>> >>>> Hi Pierre >>>> and thanx for your answer. >>>> I am looking for an expression foot controller. Something working >>>> somehow like a wah-wah pedal. But I am unsure if I need a device with an OSC >>>> dedicated driver, or if any USB pedal would do the job. What I primarily >>>> expect from this device is accuracy, and low-latency. >>>> Do you have any examples (photographs, audio samples) of the >>>> device you made? I am curious! >>>> Achim >>>> >>>> --- En date de : *Dim 6.6.10, Pierre Massat <pimassat@gmail.comhttp://mc/compose?to=pimassat@gmail.com >>>> >* a écrit : >>>> >>>> >>>> De: Pierre Massat <pimassat@gmail.comhttp://mc/compose?to=pimassat@gmail.com >>>> > >>>> Objet: Re: [PD] Looking for a pedal controller >>>> À: "Achim Bloch" <achim.bloch@yahoo.frhttp://mc/compose?to=achim.bloch@yahoo.fr >>>> > >>>> Date: Dimanche 6 juin 2010, 20h40 >>>> >>>> >>>> Hi Achim, >>>> I've built one myself, based on a usb gamepad. I can give you some >>>> tips. But you'll have to be more precise about what you really need >>>> (expression pedal or just switches?) >>>> >>>> Pierre >>>> >>>> 2010/6/6 Achim Bloch <achim.bloch@yahoo.frhttp://mc/compose?to=achim.bloch@yahoo.fr >>>> > >>>> >>>>> Hi listees >>>>> I'm looking for a pedal controller that is accurate enough to >>>>> send OSC messages to pd, in order to control some effect patches for my >>>>> guitar. >>>>> Can anyone help me in finding a good one, maybe providing a >>>>> perqsonal experience feedback? >>>>> Thanks in advance, >>>>> Achim >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Pd-list@iem.at http://mc/compose?to=Pd-list@iem.at mailing >>>>> list >>>>> UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> >>>>> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Pd-list@iem.at http://mc/compose?to=Pd-list@iem.at mailing list >>>> UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> >>>> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Pd-list@iem.at mailing list > UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> > http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list > >
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Am 2010-06-09 00:02, schrieb hghoyer:
hmm, You want to read out some analog Voltage between 0 and 5 Volts and then takes this value out with a Midi Pitch Bend Message? Great Idea... I am very interessted in this patch... In 2 Weeks I will to a workshop. Ten i will discuss these Idea... If anyone hat such an Arduino - Patch, i Žm very interessted to get these!1
Hans
If you need analog-to-midi conversion, you should look at the products from www.doepfer.de, selling boards for midification of synths, organs,.. But I think they have 7bit resolution only, even on PitchBend.
lw.
Hi, and thanks for your answers. Yes, pduino makes OSC redundant, and a range of values from 0 to 1023 should be enough for most effects, but anyway, in case a wider range is needed, I think the following can be a quite simple solution : http://interface.khm.de/index.php/lab/experiments/connect-a-ltc2400-high-pre... This converts the analogic signal to a 24-bit value! More than enough I guess. Achim
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De: Pedro Lopes pedro.lopes@ist.utl.pt Objet: Re: [PD] Looking for a pedal controller À: "Ricardo Lameiro" ricardolameiro@gmail.com Cc: "pd-list" pd-list@iem.at Date: Mardi 8 juin 2010, 21h37
Actually, an arduino is more than enough for what you want. you can have data from 0 to 1023, that is >quite a lot, plus, you can use it directly on puredta using pduino, no need for OSC.
I second that, arduino will do! But if you want to built an "pd-independent" device, you can use OSC in arduino - although much harder than simply reading values with pduino - some guys already posted code for sending OSC messages from arduino devices [1], so then you can plug it to whatever you want: pd, ardour, osc-to-midi apps, processing, supercollider :D
[1] http://recotana.com/recotanablog/?page_id=222%C2%A0(this ships the messages from ethernet cable on the arduino's ethernet shield, but there might be more similar projects that ship from usb)
On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 10:24 PM, Ricardo Lameiro ricardolameiro@gmail.com wrote:
Actually, an arduino is more than enough for what you want. you can have data from 0 to 1023, that is quite a lot, plus, you can use it directly on puredta using pduino, no need for OSC.
2010/6/8 Pierre Massat pimassat@gmail.com
A gamepad would definitely be LESS precise as each potentiometer will map data between 0 and 255. But i've never found this to be a problem.
Pierre
2010/6/8 Pierre Massat pimassat@gmail.com
I guess it could, only Arduino is more expensive i suppose. I'll try to provide you with some pictures sometime soon.
Pierre
2010/6/8 Achim Bloch achim.bloch@yahoo.fr
Hi Pierre could you provide more details on how you built your pedal? Could'nt the gamepad be replaced with an Arduino? Thanks, Cyrill
--- En date de : Mar 8.6.10, Pierre Massat pimassat@gmail.com a écrit :
De: Pierre Massat pimassat@gmail.com
Objet: Re: [PD] Looking for a pedal controller À: "Achim Bloch" achim.bloch@yahoo.fr, "pd-list" pd-list@iem.at
Date: Mardi 8 juin 2010, 7h25
Hi Achim, You'll have no latency problems with a USB pedal in Linux using the [hid] object. No "noticeable" latency at least.
There are two problems arising when attempting to built a USB pedal : first you need to actually make the pedal (the traditional cry baby design is probably the easiest way to go), then you need to connect it to a good usb gamepad. I insist on the "good" here because it is essential if you want to have a decent expression pedal. The best would be to test the gamepad before buying it and turning it into a pedal.
Pierre
2010/6/7 Achim Bloch achim.bloch@yahoo.fr
Hi Pierre and thanx for your answer. I am looking for an expression foot controller. Something working somehow like a wah-wah pedal. But I am unsure if I need a device with an OSC dedicated driver, or if any USB pedal would do the job. What I primarily expect from this device is accuracy, and low-latency.
Do you have any examples (photographs, audio samples) of the device you made? I am curious! Achim
--- En date de : Dim 6.6.10, Pierre Massat pimassat@gmail.com a écrit :
De: Pierre Massat pimassat@gmail.com
Objet: Re: [PD] Looking for a pedal controller
À: "Achim Bloch" achim.bloch@yahoo.fr Date: Dimanche 6 juin 2010, 20h40
Hi Achim,
I've built one myself, based on a usb gamepad. I can give you some tips. But you'll have to be more precise about what you really need (expression pedal or just switches?)
Pierre
2010/6/6 Achim Bloch achim.bloch@yahoo.fr
Hi listees I'm looking for a pedal controller that is accurate enough to send OSC messages to pd, in order to control some effect patches for my guitar. Can anyone help me in finding a good one, maybe providing a perqsonal experience feedback?
Thanks in advance, Achim
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it says 5 samples per second. that latency would be unbearable...
On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 6:11 AM, Achim Bloch achim.bloch@yahoo.fr wrote:
Hi, and thanks for your answers. Yes, pduino makes OSC redundant, and a range of values from 0 to 1023 should be enough for most effects, but anyway, in case a wider range is needed, I think the following can be a quite simple solution : http://interface.khm.de/index.php/lab/experiments/connect-a-ltc2400-high-pre... This converts the analogic signal to a 24-bit value! More than enough I guess. Achim
--- En date de : *Mar 8.6.10, Pedro Lopes pedro.lopes@ist.utl.pt* a écrit :
De: Pedro Lopes pedro.lopes@ist.utl.pt
Objet: Re: [PD] Looking for a pedal controller À: "Ricardo Lameiro" ricardolameiro@gmail.com Cc: "pd-list" pd-list@iem.at Date: Mardi 8 juin 2010, 21h37
Actually, an arduino is more than enough for what you want. you can have
data from 0 to 1023, that is >quite a lot, plus, you can use it directly on puredta using pduino, no need for OSC. I second that, arduino will do! But if you want to built an "pd-independent" device, you can use OSC in arduino - although much harder than simply reading values with pduino - some guys already posted code for sending OSC messages from arduino devices [1], so then you can plug it to whatever you want: pd, ardour, osc-to-midi apps, processing, supercollider :D
[1] http://recotana.com/recotanablog/?page_id=222 (this ships the messages from ethernet cable on the arduino's ethernet shield, but there might be more similar projects that ship from usb)
On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 10:24 PM, Ricardo Lameiro <ricardolameiro@gmail.comhttp://mc/compose?to=ricardolameiro@gmail.com
wrote:
Actually, an arduino is more than enough for what you want. you can have data from 0 to 1023, that is quite a lot, plus, you can use it directly on puredta using pduino, no need for OSC.
2010/6/8 Pierre Massat <pimassat@gmail.comhttp://mc/compose?to=pimassat@gmail.com
A gamepad would definitely be LESS precise as each potentiometer will map data between 0 and 255. But i've never found this to be a problem.
Pierre
2010/6/8 Pierre Massat <pimassat@gmail.comhttp://mc/compose?to=pimassat@gmail.com
I guess it could, only Arduino is more expensive i suppose. I'll try to provide you with some pictures sometime soon.
Pierre
2010/6/8 Achim Bloch <achim.bloch@yahoo.frhttp://mc/compose?to=achim.bloch@yahoo.fr
Hi Pierre
could you provide more details on how you built your pedal? Could'nt the gamepad be replaced with an Arduino? Thanks, Cyrill
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- a écrit :
De: Pierre Massat <pimassat@gmail.comhttp://mc/compose?to=pimassat@gmail.com
Objet: Re: [PD] Looking for a pedal controller À: "Achim Bloch" <achim.bloch@yahoo.frhttp://mc/compose?to=achim.bloch@yahoo.fr>, "pd-list" <pd-list@iem.at http://mc/compose?to=pd-list@iem.at> Date: Mardi 8 juin 2010, 7h25
Hi Achim, You'll have no latency problems with a USB pedal in Linux using the [hid] object. No "noticeable" latency at least. There are two problems arising when attempting to built a USB pedal : first you need to actually make the pedal (the traditional cry baby design is probably the easiest way to go), then you need to connect it to a good usb gamepad. I insist on the "good" here because it is essential if you want to have a decent expression pedal. The best would be to test the gamepad before buying it and turning it into a pedal.
Pierre
2010/6/7 Achim Bloch <achim.bloch@yahoo.frhttp://mc/compose?to=achim.bloch@yahoo.fr
Hi Pierre and thanx for your answer. I am looking for an expression foot controller. Something working somehow like a wah-wah pedal. But I am unsure if I need a device with an OSC dedicated driver, or if any USB pedal would do the job. What I primarily expect from this device is accuracy, and low-latency. Do you have any examples (photographs, audio samples) of the device you made? I am curious! Achim
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Hi Achim, I've built one myself, based on a usb gamepad. I can give you some tips. But you'll have to be more precise about what you really need (expression pedal or just switches?)
Pierre
2010/6/6 Achim Bloch <achim.bloch@yahoo.frhttp://mc/compose?to=achim.bloch@yahoo.fr >
> Hi listees > I'm looking for a pedal controller that is accurate enough to send > OSC messages to pd, in order to control some effect patches for my guitar. > Can anyone help me in finding a good one, maybe providing a perqsonal > experience feedback? > Thanks in advance, > Achim > > > > _______________________________________________ > Pd-list@iem.at http://mc/compose?to=Pd-list@iem.at mailing list > UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> > http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list > >
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Just a clarification of my previous idea, when suggesting OSC;
Yes, pduino makes OSC redundant
Its not redundant if you wanna do stuff that work with a protocol instead of being Software-dependent =P It's just a harder way to go.. You build a foot controller and communicate with pduino, next day you wanna control an iphone... next day you'd like to send messages to your ipad or whatever, and so forth.. having standards helps if you need cross-working-stuff... if not: pduino will do just fine :) Of course you can allways try to read the arduino values from any plataform, but that's assuming a "different standard" :)
On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 6:00 PM, Jaime Oliver jaime.oliver2@gmail.comwrote:
it says 5 samples per second. that latency would be unbearable...
On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 6:11 AM, Achim Bloch achim.bloch@yahoo.fr wrote:
Hi, and thanks for your answers. Yes, pduino makes OSC redundant, and a range of values from 0 to 1023 should be enough for most effects, but anyway, in case a wider range is needed, I think the following can be a quite simple solution : http://interface.khm.de/index.php/lab/experiments/connect-a-ltc2400-high-pre... This converts the analogic signal to a 24-bit value! More than enough I guess. Achim
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Actually, an arduino is more than enough for what you want. you can have
data from 0 to 1023, that is >quite a lot, plus, you can use it directly on puredta using pduino, no need for OSC. I second that, arduino will do! But if you want to built an "pd-independent" device, you can use OSC in arduino - although much harder than simply reading values with pduino - some guys already posted code for sending OSC messages from arduino devices [1], so then you can plug it to whatever you want: pd, ardour, osc-to-midi apps, processing, supercollider :D
[1] http://recotana.com/recotanablog/?page_id=222 (this ships the messages from ethernet cable on the arduino's ethernet shield, but there might be more similar projects that ship from usb)
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Actually, an arduino is more than enough for what you want. you can have data from 0 to 1023, that is quite a lot, plus, you can use it directly on puredta using pduino, no need for OSC.
2010/6/8 Pierre Massat <pimassat@gmail.comhttp://mc/compose?to=pimassat@gmail.com
A gamepad would definitely be LESS precise as each potentiometer will map data between 0 and 255. But i've never found this to be a problem.
Pierre
2010/6/8 Pierre Massat <pimassat@gmail.comhttp://mc/compose?to=pimassat@gmail.com
I guess it could, only Arduino is more expensive i suppose. I'll try to provide you with some pictures sometime soon.
Pierre
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Hi Pierre
could you provide more details on how you built your pedal? Could'nt the gamepad be replaced with an Arduino? Thanks, Cyrill
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Hi Achim, You'll have no latency problems with a USB pedal in Linux using the [hid] object. No "noticeable" latency at least. There are two problems arising when attempting to built a USB pedal : first you need to actually make the pedal (the traditional cry baby design is probably the easiest way to go), then you need to connect it to a good usb gamepad. I insist on the "good" here because it is essential if you want to have a decent expression pedal. The best would be to test the gamepad before buying it and turning it into a pedal.
Pierre
2010/6/7 Achim Bloch <achim.bloch@yahoo.frhttp://mc/compose?to=achim.bloch@yahoo.fr >
> Hi Pierre > and thanx for your answer. > I am looking for an expression foot controller. Something working > somehow like a wah-wah pedal. But I am unsure if I need a device with an OSC > dedicated driver, or if any USB pedal would do the job. What I primarily > expect from this device is accuracy, and low-latency. > Do you have any examples (photographs, audio samples) of the device > you made? I am curious! > Achim > > --- En date de : *Dim 6.6.10, Pierre Massat <pimassat@gmail.comhttp://mc/compose?to=pimassat@gmail.com > >* a écrit : > > > De: Pierre Massat <pimassat@gmail.comhttp://mc/compose?to=pimassat@gmail.com > > > Objet: Re: [PD] Looking for a pedal controller > À: "Achim Bloch" <achim.bloch@yahoo.frhttp://mc/compose?to=achim.bloch@yahoo.fr > > > Date: Dimanche 6 juin 2010, 20h40 > > > Hi Achim, > I've built one myself, based on a usb gamepad. I can give you some > tips. But you'll have to be more precise about what you really need > (expression pedal or just switches?) > > Pierre > > 2010/6/6 Achim Bloch <achim.bloch@yahoo.frhttp://mc/compose?to=achim.bloch@yahoo.fr > > > >> Hi listees >> I'm looking for a pedal controller that is accurate enough to send >> OSC messages to pd, in order to control some effect patches for my guitar. >> Can anyone help me in finding a good one, maybe providing a >> perqsonal experience feedback? >> Thanks in advance, >> Achim >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pd-list@iem.at http://mc/compose?to=Pd-list@iem.at mailing list >> UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> >> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Pd-list@iem.at http://mc/compose?to=Pd-list@iem.at mailing list > UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> > http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list > >
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Yea, you are completely right, you will not need OSC, on puredata, but if you want to use it with another platforms/software you will need to use a different approach. One its Implement it with puredata as the middle man, translating the arduino data into OSC compliant data. Another is implementing some kind of networking on the arduino, either Wireless or wired. To work with the ipad, or iphone, you would need to implement a wireless (as WiFi) netwok adapter. Also, people should remember that OSC is mostly a network driven protocol contrary to MIDI that is a serial communication wired protocol, with fixed messages (although it is possible to send midi messages over network :D)
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Just a clarification of my previous idea, when suggesting OSC;
Yes, pduino makes OSC redundant
Its not redundant if you wanna do stuff that work with a protocol instead of being Software-dependent =P It's just a harder way to go.. You build a foot controller and communicate with pduino, next day you wanna control an iphone... next day you'd like to send messages to your ipad or whatever, and so forth.. having standards helps if you need cross-working-stuff... if not: pduino will do just fine :) Of course you can allways try to read the arduino values from any plataform, but that's assuming a "different standard" :)
On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 6:00 PM, Jaime Oliver jaime.oliver2@gmail.comwrote:
it says 5 samples per second. that latency would be unbearable...
On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 6:11 AM, Achim Bloch achim.bloch@yahoo.fr wrote:
Hi, and thanks for your answers. Yes, pduino makes OSC redundant, and a range of values from 0 to 1023 should be enough for most effects, but anyway, in case a wider range is needed, I think the following can be a quite simple solution : http://interface.khm.de/index.php/lab/experiments/connect-a-ltc2400-high-pre... This converts the analogic signal to a 24-bit value! More than enough I guess. Achim
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Objet: Re: [PD] Looking for a pedal controller À: "Ricardo Lameiro" ricardolameiro@gmail.com Cc: "pd-list" pd-list@iem.at Date: Mardi 8 juin 2010, 21h37
Actually, an arduino is more than enough for what you want. you can have
data from 0 to 1023, that is >quite a lot, plus, you can use it directly on puredta using pduino, no need for OSC. I second that, arduino will do! But if you want to built an "pd-independent" device, you can use OSC in arduino - although much harder than simply reading values with pduino - some guys already posted code for sending OSC messages from arduino devices [1], so then you can plug it to whatever you want: pd, ardour, osc-to-midi apps, processing, supercollider :D
[1] http://recotana.com/recotanablog/?page_id=222 (this ships the messages from ethernet cable on the arduino's ethernet shield, but there might be more similar projects that ship from usb)
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Actually, an arduino is more than enough for what you want. you can have data from 0 to 1023, that is quite a lot, plus, you can use it directly on puredta using pduino, no need for OSC.
2010/6/8 Pierre Massat <pimassat@gmail.comhttp://mc/compose?to=pimassat@gmail.com
A gamepad would definitely be LESS precise as each potentiometer will map data between 0 and 255. But i've never found this to be a problem.
Pierre
2010/6/8 Pierre Massat <pimassat@gmail.comhttp://mc/compose?to=pimassat@gmail.com
I guess it could, only Arduino is more expensive i suppose. I'll try to provide you with some pictures sometime soon.
Pierre
2010/6/8 Achim Bloch <achim.bloch@yahoo.frhttp://mc/compose?to=achim.bloch@yahoo.fr >
Hi Pierre > could you provide more details on how you built your pedal? Could'nt > the gamepad be replaced with an Arduino? > Thanks, > Cyrill > > > --- En date de : *Mar 8.6.10, Pierre Massat <pimassat@gmail.comhttp://mc/compose?to=pimassat@gmail.com > >* a écrit : > > > De: Pierre Massat <pimassat@gmail.comhttp://mc/compose?to=pimassat@gmail.com > > > Objet: Re: [PD] Looking for a pedal controller > À: "Achim Bloch" <achim.bloch@yahoo.frhttp://mc/compose?to=achim.bloch@yahoo.fr>, > "pd-list" <pd-list@iem.at http://mc/compose?to=pd-list@iem.at> > Date: Mardi 8 juin 2010, 7h25 > > > Hi Achim, > You'll have no latency problems with a USB pedal in Linux using the > [hid] object. No "noticeable" latency at least. > There are two problems arising when attempting to built a USB pedal : > first you need to actually make the pedal (the traditional cry baby design > is probably the easiest way to go), then you need to connect it to a good > usb gamepad. I insist on the "good" here because it is essential if you want > to have a decent expression pedal. The best would be to test the gamepad > before buying it and turning it into a pedal. > > Pierre > > > 2010/6/7 Achim Bloch <achim.bloch@yahoo.frhttp://mc/compose?to=achim.bloch@yahoo.fr > > > >> Hi Pierre >> and thanx for your answer. >> I am looking for an expression foot controller. Something working >> somehow like a wah-wah pedal. But I am unsure if I need a device with an OSC >> dedicated driver, or if any USB pedal would do the job. What I primarily >> expect from this device is accuracy, and low-latency. >> Do you have any examples (photographs, audio samples) of the device >> you made? I am curious! >> Achim >> >> --- En date de : *Dim 6.6.10, Pierre Massat <pimassat@gmail.comhttp://mc/compose?to=pimassat@gmail.com >> >* a écrit : >> >> >> De: Pierre Massat <pimassat@gmail.comhttp://mc/compose?to=pimassat@gmail.com >> > >> Objet: Re: [PD] Looking for a pedal controller >> À: "Achim Bloch" <achim.bloch@yahoo.frhttp://mc/compose?to=achim.bloch@yahoo.fr >> > >> Date: Dimanche 6 juin 2010, 20h40 >> >> >> Hi Achim, >> I've built one myself, based on a usb gamepad. I can give you some >> tips. But you'll have to be more precise about what you really need >> (expression pedal or just switches?) >> >> Pierre >> >> 2010/6/6 Achim Bloch <achim.bloch@yahoo.frhttp://mc/compose?to=achim.bloch@yahoo.fr >> > >> >>> Hi listees >>> I'm looking for a pedal controller that is accurate enough to send >>> OSC messages to pd, in order to control some effect patches for my guitar. >>> Can anyone help me in finding a good one, maybe providing a >>> perqsonal experience feedback? >>> Thanks in advance, >>> Achim >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Pd-list@iem.at http://mc/compose?to=Pd-list@iem.at mailing list >>> UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> >>> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list >>> >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pd-list@iem.at http://mc/compose?to=Pd-list@iem.at mailing list >> UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> >> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list >> >> > >
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I think it is a typo, the datasheet for the ltc 2400 (http://www.linear.com/pc/productDetail.jsp?navId=H0,C1,C1155,C1001,C1152,P16...) seems to specify, from what I understand, that the output rate is 50 Hz, extendible to 120 Hz with an external clock...
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it says 5 samples per second. that latency would be unbearable...
On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 6:11 AM, Achim Bloch achim.bloch@yahoo.fr wrote:
Hi, and thanks for your answers.
Yes, pduino makes OSC redundant, and a range of values from 0 to 1023 should be enough for most effects, but anyway, in case a wider range is needed, I think the following can be a quite simple solution : http://interface.khm.de/index.php/lab/experiments/connect-a-ltc2400-high-pre...
This converts the analogic signal to a 24-bit value! More than enough I guess. Achim
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Actually, an arduino is more than enough for what you want. you can have data from 0 to 1023, that is >quite a lot, plus, you can use it directly on puredta using pduino, no need for OSC.
I second that, arduino will do! But if you want to built an "pd-independent" device, you can use OSC in arduino - although much harder than simply reading values with pduino - some guys already posted code for sending OSC messages from arduino devices [1], so then you can plug it to whatever you want: pd, ardour, osc-to-midi apps, processing, supercollider :D
[1] http://recotana.com/recotanablog/?page_id=222%C2%A0(this ships the messages from ethernet cable on the arduino's ethernet shield, but there might be more similar projects that ship from usb)
On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 10:24 PM, Ricardo Lameiro ricardolameiro@gmail.com wrote:
Actually, an arduino is more than enough for what you want. you can have data from 0 to 1023, that is quite a lot, plus, you can use it directly on puredta using pduino, no need for OSC.
2010/6/8 Pierre Massat pimassat@gmail.com
A gamepad would definitely be LESS precise as each potentiometer will map data between 0 and 255. But i've never found this to be a problem.
Pierre
2010/6/8 Pierre Massat pimassat@gmail.com
I guess it could, only Arduino is more expensive i suppose. I'll try to provide you with some pictures sometime soon.
Pierre
2010/6/8 Achim Bloch achim.bloch@yahoo.fr
Hi Pierre could you provide more details on how you built your pedal? Could'nt the gamepad be replaced with an Arduino? Thanks, Cyrill
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Date: Mardi 8 juin 2010, 7h25
Hi Achim, You'll have no latency problems with a USB pedal in Linux using the [hid] object. No "noticeable" latency at least.
There are two problems arising when attempting to built a USB pedal : first you need to actually make the pedal (the traditional cry baby design is probably the easiest way to go), then you need to connect it to a good usb gamepad. I insist on the "good" here because it is essential if you want to have a decent expression pedal. The best would be to test the gamepad before buying it and turning it into a pedal.
Pierre
2010/6/7 Achim Bloch achim.bloch@yahoo.fr
Hi Pierre and thanx for your answer. I am looking for an expression foot controller. Something working somehow like a wah-wah pedal. But I am unsure if I need a device with an OSC dedicated driver, or if any USB pedal would do the job. What I primarily expect from this device is accuracy, and low-latency.
Do you have any examples (photographs, audio samples) of the device you made? I am curious! Achim
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Objet: Re: [PD] Looking for a pedal controller
À: "Achim Bloch" achim.bloch@yahoo.fr Date: Dimanche 6 juin 2010, 20h40
Hi Achim,
I've built one myself, based on a usb gamepad. I can give you some tips. But you'll have to be more precise about what you really need (expression pedal or just switches?)
Pierre
2010/6/6 Achim Bloch achim.bloch@yahoo.fr
Hi listees I'm looking for a pedal controller that is accurate enough to send OSC messages to pd, in order to control some effect patches for my guitar. Can anyone help me in finding a good one, maybe providing a perqsonal experience feedback?
Thanks in advance, Achim
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