Pd-list March 2023

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Preset management for Pd Vanilla
by Alexandre Torres Porres 13 Nov '23

13 Nov '23

Never really needed fancy preset management other than storing messages in a basic vanilla way. But I've seen people mention how Pd lacks a nice preset system. Not that I know what a fancy one actually needs since I never felt the demand. So I'm here to ask what people use in Pd Vanilla, be it a pure vanilla solution or an external. And also to ask what people miss. This is what I came up with as a pure vanilla abstraction, it's based on [text] and [savestate]. Here's the thing: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1A0ISEJo5F1E578WHM1doo1n2CJAthonU/view?usp=… In short, the preset abstraction takes messages and stores them. You can have many of these on your patch and use them to recall presets for any parameters. It takes any kind of messages. I'm making use of built-in sends and receives in the number boxes to make the patch cleaner. Just think that you can have separate control of each parameter having its own preset or group all of them together globally, or a group here and another there, whatever... Once you save the patch, the presets you saved get stored in the patch. As for my current idea for my ELSE library, I'm using an object similar to grab to take messages from [receive] objects. It's a development over this original vanilla abstraction. My first draft is this, I hope that sharing the screenshot give you a nice idea. [image: Screen Shot 2021-01-21 at 04.47.42.png] You can check what's up in my repository for more details... https://github.com/porres/pd-else/blob/master/Classes/Abstractions/preset.pd cheers

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soundtouch~ for Pd Vanilla
by Alexandre Torres Porres 31 Oct '23

31 Oct '23

Hi folks, I'm on a vibe of uploading missing libraries and objects for Pd Vanilla on deken. On the list I have FFTease, Lyonpotpourri, CICM-Tools and more stuff that I'm looking into, just so you know... Now, I see there's an old soundtouch~ external here: http://www.katjaas.nl/pitchshift/soundtouch~.html - it's "version 0.9" by Katja Vetter. It was developed with SoundTouch version 1.6 and Pure Data version 0.42. I tested on Pd 0.51-4 32 bits on mac and it works fine. There are binaries for download on the link above, but not for 64 bits. I wonder if anyone wants to help me build these with pd-lib-builder and all. Now, the ceammc librarym (and Pd-ceammc distribution) has a soundtouch~ external too. It's the same name, but not the same external, this one is marked as "version 0.1". So we do already have "a" soundtouch~ for vanilla, but I wanted to also get katja's external up there. So I just uploaded the download from that page here https://github.com/porres/pd-soundtouch - It's just the download as it is and we need to change to hopefully use pd-lib-builder, which would make things easier. I did try that and it didn't work. So, anyone onboard with this? cheers

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MIDI specifications for Multidimensional Polyphonic Expression (MPE) in Pd
by Alexandre Torres Porres 26 Oct '23

26 Oct '23

some new objects for MPE Midi is on Max's new update, just googled it to see what it was http://expressiveness.org/2015/04/24/midi-specifications-for-multidimension… wonder if you guys know anything about this and if anyone would be into bringing this to Pd. cheers

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cannot find ggee external - I need [shell] or [command]
by mick mengucci 01 Sep '23

01 Sep '23

Hi list I need the [shell] object to trigger python codes from within Pure Data. I am trying on raspberry os, with a raspberry 4, Pd version 0.51.4. But it would be usefull also for pc as in schools I rarely meet linux users, unfortunately. I checked here https://puredata.info/docs/ListOfPdExternals/ where it says that flatspace or ggee or flatspace/ggee would have this object. But in Dekken (Find externals) I do not get any result. I also saw that Alexandros suggests [command] but which external do I need installed? -- MKSTURA.EU MISTURAPURA.NET <http://WWW.MISTURAPURA.NET> mickmengucci.bandcamp.com facebook.com/mickmengucci3 facebook.com/Labio.pt pure mixture vibration since 1995

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Prototype for adding an object browser into Pd Vanilla's core
by Alexandre Torres Porres 05 Jul '23

05 Jul '23

Hi everyone, I made a prototype of a GUI addition that I would really like to have included in the Pd-Vanilla distribution. I don't don;t think it is worth or plan to provide it as a tcl/tk plugin and I'll get to that soon. Nonetheless, as a prototype for anyone to easily test, I did upload object-browser-test-plugin to deken and you can get it. You can also check https://github.com/porres/object-browser-test-plugin And what does it do? When you right click anywhere on a patch canvas you can go to 'add object' which gives you a menu of all Pd objects that you can then choose from and it'll add the element exactly where you right clicked at. This is possible regardless if you're in edit or run mode. See screenshot below. [image: Screen Shot 2023-03-10 at 02.32.26.png] I got the idea and basis from Pd-ceammc, by the way. But PlugData is also working on something similar, why not offer an official one upstream? As someone who uses Pd to teach newbies all the time, I believe something like this would help them much more in the learning curve. The general consensus from users when I mentioned this on the facebook group (and other places) was quite positive. I understand though that there might be concerns in maintaining this and keeping the core light. Well, if it gets included, I plan to take care of it and do things like insert a new object whenever it comes up as long as I live. I am relatively young and don't have plans to die soon. This would be part of my documentation engagement. And once it is in, I guess the load won't be relevant. I think this is problematic to keep as a plugin as it'll mostly be missed by users. Another problem is that I think it is hard to maintain this out of the core and I say this because while my plugin works now, it is already broken for the current master on github, so it won't work on the next update. It really makes sense to keep this in the core then. By the way, it already includes the not yet released [snake~ in]/[snake~ out] objects, and when I wanted to test this with the latest current version is when I found out it breaks. But it works up to 0.53-2 (at least with its test version that you can find). And yes, I added options for objects that have a function defined by the 1st argument (such as [array random]), [snake~ in/out], ect). I also added options to add GUIs, message boxes, list box, etc... Is anyone bummed out and would have some sort of issue with this functionality? Worst case scenario I guess would be to allow some configuration in preferences to disable this, but I can't see this as an annoying addition. I think that even for me (someone who revised and wrote references for ALL objects) this is useful, as even I can forget the name of an object sometimes... what are your thoughts? cheers

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pd for android and abl_link~
by Orm Finnendahl 01 May '23

01 May '23

Hi, I'd like to build MobMuPlat with pdlib including the abl_link~ external. As far as I've understood, the original MobMuPlat code uses jcenter which is not active anymore and has been replaced by maven. It seems I need to add the maven repository to MobMuPlat's build scripts and somehow add the dependencies of abl_link~. Can anybody give information or point me to references how to accomplish this? Any help is appreciated! -- Orm

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[PD-announce] Max pd~ object test compiled for M1 processors
by Miller Puckette via Pd-announce 13 Apr '23

13 Apr '23

To Pd announce - The pd~ Max object (which allows you to embed Pd patches in Max/MSP) is now available for the M1 architecture in a test version (0.55test1). You can get it at the usual spot: http://msp.ucsd.edu/software.html It _should_ be possible to run it in Max version 8 for either intel or "M1" (apple) architecture, using Pd compiled for either architecture - but I haven't tried out all the permutations yet. Bug reports are most welcome, either to Pd list or to me personally. cheers Miller _______________________________________________ Pd-announce mailing list Pd-announce(a)lists.iem.at https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-announce

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Re: [PD] Creating/editing patches on android?
by Dan Wilcox 07 Apr '23

07 Apr '23

Howdy Matevz, I don't believe so, although I must include the caveat tat I do not use Android, so perhaps there is something out there I am not aware of. Running patches via libpd in a mobile app is much easier than creating a live, graphical *editor* as with desktop Pd as: 1. the interaction metaphors are different 2. libpd does not have a way to tap into the core pd editing logic (yet) That being said (written?), it's certainly possible to create something that can automate writing a Pd file which can then be loaded by libpd, however, once things complicated enough, you basically end up duplicating most of the core logic with the detriment that you have to carefully try to keep it up to date with whatever version of pd / libpd you are using. In short: it's a lot of thankless work that is best *not* done without lots of interest, resources, and support. The closest thing I can think of is rooting the device to install a Linux distro so you can run *desktop* Pd, however I don't think this is where your question is focused. As the author of PdParty, which utilizes libpd on iOS, I made a clear decision early on to *not* tackle on-device editing, mainly for the reasons mentioned above. > On Feb 23, 2023, at 12:00 PM, pd-list-request(a)lists.iem.at wrote: > > Message: 2 > Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2023 10:44:58 +0100 > From: Matevz Leskovsek <matevz.leskovsek(a)gmail.com <mailto:matevz.leskovsek@gmail.com>> > To: pd-list(a)lists.iem.at <mailto:pd-list@lists.iem.at> > Subject: [PD] Creating/editing patches on android? > Message-ID: > <CAEsQPf7MQ+SLkCzqo848OQ9LweoCUzjVPVHXvQYSfvKZ+Gt5qg(a)mail.gmail.com <mailto:CAEsQPf7MQ+SLkCzqo848OQ9LweoCUzjVPVHXvQYSfvKZ+Gt5qg@mail.gmail.com>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > Hi all, as I remember all those PD on Android platforms (mobmuplat, > pddroid) only allowed running patches and not editing those, meaning > that one needed a desktop computer to create and edit patches. Is this > still the case or is it possible now to use Android device for > creating and running pd patches. Thanks! -------- Dan Wilcox @danomatika <http://twitter.com/danomatika> danomatika.com <http://danomatika.com/> robotcowboy.com <http://robotcowboy.com/>

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phase locked loop
by Simon Iten 28 Mar '23

28 Mar '23

hi list, does somebody have a patched version of a PLL (phase locked loop) in PD? or building blocks of it... cheers

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redraw array while recording into it
by Simon Iten 28 Mar '23

28 Mar '23

hi list, i was wondering if i can somehow force a redraw of an array while it is recorded into via [tabwrite~] ? as it is now, the array only displays the new data once tabwrite~ has finished writing. i would like to use the array as a UI element in an art installation and ideally it should look like in a DAW that records, so the waveforms should appear every 300ms or so while recording. sound output will be muted during the 5 second recording, in case the redraw could interfer with sound output. sound input should be consistent though since i record into the buffer :-) cheers

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