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break a variable length list at a specific element
by Peter P. 02 Oct '24

02 Oct '24

Hi list, I am having lists with a variable number of items and I want to break them up two lists dependent on the presence of a specific item. I can't seem to understand how to do it though. Here's a quick example of what I mean: 1 2 3 4 5 6 look for the number 4 and output two lists (at separate outlets) which are before and after that number 4, giving: 1 2 3 and 5 6 respectively I'd need the solution to work for lists of other lengths as well, i.e. 55 66 77 88 4 102 -33 should be broken up into 55 66 77 88 and 102 -33 alike. I tried [route] and [list] objects but can't get them to do what I want. thanks! P

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Changing vanilla colors
by Andrew Lyons 01 Oct '24

01 Oct '24

Hi, I'm looking to modify vanilla src to hard code a dark color scheme. Just something quick and easy. Any pointers on where in the src I find default colors? Doesn't seem to be in the tcl directory... Thanks

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Subject: Re: break a variable length list at a specific element (Alexandros Drymonitis)
by claudio nervi 30 Sep '24

30 Sep '24

Hello Alexandros, I'll try to express myself better, what I meant to say is: if you use Vanilla PD, without downloading any library, this version will work for you. When I saw the patch you posted, I thought there was some change in the Pure Data 055.1 package and I missed it, so I tried your patch, but the [list-abs/list-find] object didn't appear. Thanks for the tip, I'll take a look at that abstraction library, it looks interesting! Claudio. ps.: ¿How can I send a Patch in .pd format to the pd-list? El lun, 30 sept 2024 a las 21:00, <pd-list-request(a)lists.iem.at> escribió: > Send Pd-list mailing list submissions to > pd-list(a)lists.iem.at > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via email, send a message with subject or > body 'help' to > pd-list-request(a)lists.iem.at > > You can reach the person managing the list at > pd-list-owner(a)lists.iem.at > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Pd-list digest..." > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: break a variable length list at a specific element (Alexandros > Drymonitis) > (claudio nervi) > 2. Re: break a variable length list at a specific element (Alexandros > Drymonitis) > (Alexandros Drymonitis) > 3. Re: [PD-announce] nusmuk libs (cyrille henry) > 4. Re: [PD-announce] nusmuk libs (Johnny Mauser) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2024 15:38:35 +0200 > From: claudio nervi <claudionervi(a)gmail.com> > Subject: [PD] Re: break a variable length list at a specific element > (Alexandros Drymonitis) > To: pd-list(a)lists.iem.at > Message-ID: > <CACzFJ2STpfQQqHCYr4u_ekw= > a62Czo0EWJ1NJssEbd1tu4Ycbg(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: multipart/alternative; > boundary="000000000000f7bab806235652b5" > > If you are in Vanille, the solution in "Vanilla Stile": > > #N canvas 766 214 458 396 12; > #N canvas 224 224 330 295 list 0; > #X obj 96 138 list; > #N canvas 192 192 436 397 list 0; > #X msg 193 264 set; > #X msg 266 278 adddollar \$1; > #X obj 132 41 inlet list; > #X obj 93 352 outlet list reverse; > #X obj 170 106 list length; > #X obj 266 194 f; > #X obj 266 224 - 1; > #X obj 284 157 + 1; > #X obj 152 149 f; > #X obj 152 175 until; > #X obj 132 78 t l b l b; > #X msg 93 312 \$10 \$9 \$8 \$7 \$6 \$5 \$4 \$3 \$2 \$1; > #X connect 0 0 11 0; > #X connect 1 0 11 0; > #X connect 2 0 10 0; > #X connect 4 0 7 0; > #X connect 4 0 8 1; > #X connect 5 0 6 0; > #X connect 6 0 5 1; > #X connect 6 0 1 0; > #X connect 7 0 5 1; > #X connect 8 0 9 0; > #X connect 9 0 5 0; > #X connect 10 0 11 0; > #X connect 10 1 8 0; > #X connect 10 2 4 0; > #X connect 10 3 0 0; > #X connect 11 0 3 0; > #X restore 96 105 pd list reverse; > #X obj 96 175 list split 1; > #X obj 96 63 inlet; > #X obj 96 223 outlet; > #X connect 0 0 2 0; > #X connect 1 0 0 0; > #X connect 2 0 4 0; > #X connect 2 1 0 0; > #X connect 3 0 1 0; > #X restore 86 148 pd list separe; > #N canvas 32 32 450 300 select 0; > #X obj 82 80 t f b; > #X obj 162 129 f; > #X obj 162 162 + 1; > #X msg 293 110 0; > #X obj 82 206 f; > #X obj 82 249 outlet; > #X obj 293 38 inlet reset; > #X text 327 112 reset counter; > #X obj 194 38 inlet index; > #X obj 82 38 inlet element; > #X obj 82 163 select; > #X connect 0 0 10 0; > #X connect 0 1 1 0; > #X connect 1 0 2 0; > #X connect 2 0 1 1; > #X connect 2 0 4 1; > #X connect 3 0 1 1; > #X connect 4 0 5 0; > #X connect 6 0 3 0; > #X connect 8 0 10 1; > #X connect 9 0 0 0; > #X connect 10 0 4 0; > #X restore 86 216 pd select index; > #X floatatom 137 184 5 0 0 1 select\ item - - 0; > #X floatatom 86 245 5 0 0 0 - - - 0; > #X msg 63 61 1 3 5 7 9 1000 2 4 8 6; > #X obj 63 107 t l l b; > #N canvas 128 128 393 350 remove 0; > #X obj 66 198 list split; > #X obj 234 89 - 1; > #X obj 99 228 list split 1; > #X obj 66 160 list; > #X msg 66 133 bang; > #X obj 233 114 t b f; > #X obj 234 55 inlet index; > #X obj 151 56 inlet list; > #X obj 139 268 print x2; > #X obj 66 268 print x1; > #X connect 0 0 9 0; > #X connect 0 1 2 0; > #X connect 1 0 5 0; > #X connect 2 1 8 0; > #X connect 3 0 0 0; > #X connect 4 0 3 0; > #X connect 5 0 4 0; > #X connect 5 1 0 1; > #X connect 6 0 1 0; > #X connect 7 0 3 1; > #X restore 63 292 pd remove and split; > #X connect 0 0 1 0; > #X connect 1 0 3 0; > #X connect 2 0 1 1; > #X connect 3 0 6 1; > #X connect 4 0 5 0; > #X connect 5 0 6 0; > #X connect 5 1 0 0; > #X connect 5 2 1 2; > > Claudio. > > ps.: > ¿How can I send a Patch in .pd format to the list? >

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[PD-announce] nusmuk libs
by cyrille henry 30 Sep '24

30 Sep '24

hello Nusmuk-audio and nusmuk-utils are now available on deken, for most architecture. They regroup my personal stuff, and are useful to run chdh release like egregore. cheers Cyrille _______________________________________________ Pd-announce mailing list -- pd-announce(a)lists.iem.at To unsubscribe send an email to pd-announce-leave(a)lists.iem.at

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Re: break a variable length list at a specific element (Alexandros Drymonitis)
by claudio nervi 30 Sep '24

30 Sep '24

If you are in Vanille, the solution in "Vanilla Stile": #N canvas 766 214 458 396 12; #N canvas 224 224 330 295 list 0; #X obj 96 138 list; #N canvas 192 192 436 397 list 0; #X msg 193 264 set; #X msg 266 278 adddollar \$1; #X obj 132 41 inlet list; #X obj 93 352 outlet list reverse; #X obj 170 106 list length; #X obj 266 194 f; #X obj 266 224 - 1; #X obj 284 157 + 1; #X obj 152 149 f; #X obj 152 175 until; #X obj 132 78 t l b l b; #X msg 93 312 \$10 \$9 \$8 \$7 \$6 \$5 \$4 \$3 \$2 \$1; #X connect 0 0 11 0; #X connect 1 0 11 0; #X connect 2 0 10 0; #X connect 4 0 7 0; #X connect 4 0 8 1; #X connect 5 0 6 0; #X connect 6 0 5 1; #X connect 6 0 1 0; #X connect 7 0 5 1; #X connect 8 0 9 0; #X connect 9 0 5 0; #X connect 10 0 11 0; #X connect 10 1 8 0; #X connect 10 2 4 0; #X connect 10 3 0 0; #X connect 11 0 3 0; #X restore 96 105 pd list reverse; #X obj 96 175 list split 1; #X obj 96 63 inlet; #X obj 96 223 outlet; #X connect 0 0 2 0; #X connect 1 0 0 0; #X connect 2 0 4 0; #X connect 2 1 0 0; #X connect 3 0 1 0; #X restore 86 148 pd list separe; #N canvas 32 32 450 300 select 0; #X obj 82 80 t f b; #X obj 162 129 f; #X obj 162 162 + 1; #X msg 293 110 0; #X obj 82 206 f; #X obj 82 249 outlet; #X obj 293 38 inlet reset; #X text 327 112 reset counter; #X obj 194 38 inlet index; #X obj 82 38 inlet element; #X obj 82 163 select; #X connect 0 0 10 0; #X connect 0 1 1 0; #X connect 1 0 2 0; #X connect 2 0 1 1; #X connect 2 0 4 1; #X connect 3 0 1 1; #X connect 4 0 5 0; #X connect 6 0 3 0; #X connect 8 0 10 1; #X connect 9 0 0 0; #X connect 10 0 4 0; #X restore 86 216 pd select index; #X floatatom 137 184 5 0 0 1 select\ item - - 0; #X floatatom 86 245 5 0 0 0 - - - 0; #X msg 63 61 1 3 5 7 9 1000 2 4 8 6; #X obj 63 107 t l l b; #N canvas 128 128 393 350 remove 0; #X obj 66 198 list split; #X obj 234 89 - 1; #X obj 99 228 list split 1; #X obj 66 160 list; #X msg 66 133 bang; #X obj 233 114 t b f; #X obj 234 55 inlet index; #X obj 151 56 inlet list; #X obj 139 268 print x2; #X obj 66 268 print x1; #X connect 0 0 9 0; #X connect 0 1 2 0; #X connect 1 0 5 0; #X connect 2 1 8 0; #X connect 3 0 0 0; #X connect 4 0 3 0; #X connect 5 0 4 0; #X connect 5 1 0 1; #X connect 6 0 1 0; #X connect 7 0 3 1; #X restore 63 292 pd remove and split; #X connect 0 0 1 0; #X connect 1 0 3 0; #X connect 2 0 1 1; #X connect 3 0 6 1; #X connect 4 0 5 0; #X connect 5 0 6 0; #X connect 5 1 0 0; #X connect 5 2 1 2; Claudio. ps.: ¿How can I send a Patch in .pd format to the list?

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Fwd: Changing vanilla colors
by Miller Puckette 29 Sep '24

29 Sep '24

(oops, sending to list now) I have an alternate idea for transitioning which I wrote to the pd-dev list (which hasn;t made it back to my email yet but you can find it here: https://lists.iem.at/hyperkitty/list/pd-dev@lists.iem.at/thread/BLPPJCU2DGE… As to color, AFAIK Pd only has 4 (and should have 3) - background, foreground, selected, and evil-red-rectangle. (I want to replace the red GOP indicator with something in the foreground color but haven't got around to it). Except possibly for the IEMGUI VU meter, other colors are settable in dialogs or programmatically. So we could easily have these three settable via preferences or command line, like "pd -colors white black blue" Or am I missing something? cheers M On 9/27/24 6:25 PM, Dan Wilcox wrote: > It seems people have some solutions for sure, but they do largely > relay on some Tcl ala https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data/pull/196 > <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data/pull/196…>. > However said PR is pretty clean and has been use for some time. > > As for any sort of transition, I think we need proper encapsulation of > the communication for GUI control so that using a different widget > systems is easier, ie. GUI comm wrappers to make the comm more Tcl > agnostic. *Next* we could do a transition where a minimal version of > vanilla can stay with Tcl/Tk while a development version can try > something else. > > I know this came up already for projects like Bela that rely on > (re)implementing the GUI and IOhannes started work on this in a PR > last year, but ran into performance problems. If we really have an > easy and *smart* way to separate "core" and "gui" so that the core > doesn't care how the GUI renders as long as it gets mouse/touch > movements and sends "draw object here", then people can do whatever > they want instead of trying to force every change onto Pd. > > IOhannes' PR https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data/pull/1765 > <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data/pull/176…> > > I feel the same about other pain points for people: provide some > modularization so that all forks use the same core and just implement > their own versions as long there are appropriate hooks for access. I > think this is happening slowly but, honestly, I see the continued > "pd-extended version 10" forks undermining development in this > direction. Oh well, can't force people to work in a certain way. > >> On Sep 27, 2024, at 4:52 PM, Miller Puckette >> <mpuckette(a)cloud.ucsd.edu> wrote: >> >> Yeah, I just haven't made time to study the various proposals and >> figure out what to do about it. I sort of want to figure out if/how >> to migrate from Tcl/TK and am resisting putting in all sorts of gui >> features that might cause trouble later. So far I think Pd has to be >> able to generate colors in '999' format, plus foreground, background, >> and selected-item colors (black, white and blue by default). >> >> Personally I've found configurable colors in other editors to be a >> major pain when I make the background black and the foreground white, >> as I prefer for editing text - some briliant helpful person has >> decided to make my editor highight syntax in colors I can't see >> against black. I'd rather not get into a mes like that with Pd :) >> >> Miller >> >> On 9/27/24 1:03 PM, Dan Wilcox wrote: >>> If you are amenable... can we find a way to make this runtime >>> configurable in an upcoming vanilla release? There are at least 2-3 >>> implementations and a PR already. The issue is a paper-cut for many >>> users. >>> >>>> On Sep 27, 2024, at 12:00 PM, pd-list-request(a)lists.iem.at wrote: >>>> >>>> Message: 3 >>>> Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2024 10:31:36 +0200 >>>> From: Miller Puckette <mpuckette(a)cloud.ucsd.edu> >>>> Subject: [PD] Re: Changing vanilla colors >>>> To:pd-list@lists.iem.at >>>> Message-ID: <9feaa31e-38b5-4301-b464-1c2de63ce02b(a)cloud.ucsd.edu> >>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed >>>> >>>> I think you can now use any hex color you want - I avoided those in the >>>> 90s when a lot of screens were color-mapped but that's a rarity >>>> nowadays. >>>> >>>> cheers >>>> >>>> Miller >>> >>> -------- >>> Dan Wilcox >>> danomatika.com >>> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://danomatika.com/__;!!Mih3wA!En0D-kBkmTpN7…><https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://danomatika.com__;!!Mih3wA!D14At2S5KsE0Vb…> >>> robotcowboy.com >>> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://robotcowboy.com/__;!!Mih3wA!En0D-kBkmTpN…><https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://robotcowboy.com__;!!Mih3wA!D14At2S5KsE0V…> >>> >>> >>> --- >>> pd-list(a)lists.iem.at- the Pure Data mailinglist >>> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://lists.iem.at/hyperkitty/list/pd-list@li… >>> >>> To unsubscribe send an email topd-list-leave(a)lists.iem.atmailing list >>> UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management >>> ->https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://lists.iem.at/__;!!Mih3wA!D14At2S5KsE0Vb… > > -------- > Dan Wilcox > danomatika.com > <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://danomatika.com__;!!Mih3wA!En0D-kBkmTpN7u…> > robotcowboy.com > <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://robotcowboy.com__;!!Mih3wA!En0D-kBkmTpN7…> >

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Re: Changing vanilla colors
by Dan Wilcox 28 Sep '24

28 Sep '24

If you are amenable... can we find a way to make this runtime configurable in an upcoming vanilla release? There are at least 2-3 implementations and a PR already. The issue is a paper-cut for many users. > On Sep 27, 2024, at 12:00 PM, pd-list-request(a)lists.iem.at wrote: > > Message: 3 > Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2024 10:31:36 +0200 > From: Miller Puckette <mpuckette(a)cloud.ucsd.edu <mailto:mpuckette@cloud.ucsd.edu>> > Subject: [PD] Re: Changing vanilla colors > To: pd-list(a)lists.iem.at <mailto:pd-list@lists.iem.at> > Message-ID: <9feaa31e-38b5-4301-b464-1c2de63ce02b(a)cloud.ucsd.edu <mailto:9feaa31e-38b5-4301-b464-1c2de63ce02b@cloud.ucsd.edu>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed > > I think you can now use any hex color you want - I avoided those in the > 90s when a lot of screens were color-mapped but that's a rarity nowadays. > > cheers > > Miller -------- Dan Wilcox danomatika.com <http://danomatika.com/> robotcowboy.com <http://robotcowboy.com/>

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Re: Isn't there a way to decrease the amount of time it takes to load externals in new macOS systems?
by Dan Wilcox 25 Sep '24

25 Sep '24

Consider signing and notarizing? https://github.com/zkmkarlsruhe/mac-dist-helper-examples?tab=readme-ov-file… Note: This would require a developer account. > On Sep 25, 2024, at 12:00 PM, pd-list-request(a)lists.iem.at wrote: > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2024 21:54:13 -0300 > From: Alexandre <porres(a)gmail.com <mailto:porres@gmail.com>> > Subject: [PD] Re: Isn't there a way to decrease the amount of time it > takes to load externals in new macOS systems? > To: Linux Rouen Normandie <linux.rouen(a)free.fr <mailto:linux.rouen@free.fr>> > Cc: pd-list(a)lists.iem.at <mailto:pd-list@lists.iem.at> > Message-ID: > <CAEAsFmi_fQ8vS0GA-zCzfv38LprcZpJc_b16p86Tid05Cu86LA(a)mail.gmail.com <mailto:CAEAsFmi_fQ8vS0GA-zCzfv38LprcZpJc_b16p86Tid05Cu86LA@mail.gmail.com>> > Content-Type: multipart/alternative; > boundary="00000000000047372c0622e71035" > > It's not an internet thing, it's a macOS thing. I'm counting that time lag > after the download was finished and deken mentions 'successfully installed > else'. But then it took now over than 2 minutes last time to load the > README.deken.pd file on my M3 macbook air. > > But yeah, I know it's not an issue on Linux, and I bet it's also not in > windows. > > cheers -------- Dan Wilcox danomatika.com <http://danomatika.com/> robotcowboy.com <http://robotcowboy.com/>

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Isn't there a way to decrease the amount of time it takes to load externals in new macOS systems?
by Alexandre 25 Sep '24

25 Sep '24

Hi, I recently upgraded to a new arm mac and have been using it. You see, with my old machines running older systems, I can load externals just fine, but at some point, I don't know why, it takes a lot of time to load them for the first time. I just timed this now with my recent ELSE upload to deken. And when we download it from deken now I automatically open a readme file that loads all objects, which forces us to wait until all externals are loaded, and it took about 2 minutes to load in my M3 mac. Almost 2:30 minutes in an older intel running Monterey. I know I'm not codesigning or anything, just building and uploading to deken. So, can I do anything about it at all? Or just tell people to deal with it for the first time? thanks

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Help compiling else 1.0-0 RC12 for linux and windows
by Alexandre 24 Sep '24

24 Sep '24

Hi, I'm releasing an update of ELSE but I now have a whole new build system with cmake, see https://github.com/porres/pd-else?tab=readme-ov-file#building-else-for-pd-v… And I need help compiling it for Linux and Windows. By the way, building for double precision Pd is now possible, and I was able to compile for macOS just fine, but more tests need to be made. I am putting this up in deken for tests. Here's the link to the tagged release https://github.com/porres/pd-else/releases/tag/v.1.0-rc12 Please get in touch and let me know if you can help. I am looking for binaries for raspberry pi, linux and windows, both single and double precision. thanks

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