Hey all
I've been running two Icecast2 streams for a few years that are fed by a Pd patch. Those patches use [readanysf~] to playback MP3 and other audio media, partially from URL. The result is sent through [mp3cast~] to an Icecast2 server.
Since a few weeks, the patch segfaults after a few hours/days of running. This is the backtrace (not much useful info, libraries from Debian seem not compiled with debug symbols):
#0 0x00007ffff757be96 in ?? () from /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libgmerlin_avdec.so.2
#1 0x00007ffff756cf14 in ?? () from /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libgmerlin_avdec.so.2
#2 0x00007ffff75a64c7 in ?? () from /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libgmerlin_avdec.so.2
#3 0x00007ffff753f8e8 in bgav_open () from /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libgmerlin_avdec.so.2
#4 0x00007ffff78a42a7 in ?? () from /usr/lib/pd/extra/readanysf~/readanysf~.pd_linux
#5 0x00007ffff7bf41c4 in ?? () from /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libc.so.6
#6 0x00007ffff7c7485c in ?? () from /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libc.so.6
which indicates the problem is in the [readanysf~] playback and not in Pd or [mp3cast~].
I plan to run those streams for some more years and am looking for a sustainable way to play back the audio files. Thus, I'm evaluating possible options:
Fix [readanysf~] (if the problem is in readanysf~ and not in a library)
Switch to [mp3amp~] from unauthorized. However, it doesn't compile with current libmpg123
Use something else. Are there other mp3 playback externals?
Fixing [readanysf~] or adjusting [mp3amp~] to modern libmpg23 seem to exceed my coding capabilities and before I decide for a route, I'd like to check what else is around.
Having said that, [readanysf~] is a pretty neat external since it plays many audio formats and supports streaming from HTTP. However, it doesn't seem maintained upstream and is stuck at version 0.43 since 2012. Amazingly, it still works in Debian due to IOhannes' work (I cannot compile the original sources). What does it mean for the future of the object that the external doesn't have an upstream maintainer?
Before those issues arose, the streams have been running for years with minimal maintenance effort. That really speaks for Pd's quality and careful development practices. I can't quite figure out what changed in the system. I upgraded the server to Debian bookworm last year, but experience the issues only since a few weeks.
This is with:
- Debian bookworm (amd64)
- Pd-0.55.1 from bookworm-backports
- pd-readanysf 0.43-5 from bookworm
Thanks, Roman
Am 21. November 2024 10:55:37 MEZ schrieb reduzent@gmail.com:
Hey all
I've been running two Icecast2 streams for a few years that are fed by a Pd patch. Those patches use [readanysf~] to playback MP3 and other audio media, partially from URL. The result is sent through [mp3cast~] to an Icecast2 server.
Since a few weeks, the patch segfaults after a few hours/days of running.
Urgh. That will make debugging hard...
This is the backtrace (not much useful info, libraries from Debian seem not compiled with debug symbols):
They are compiled *with* debug symbols, but thesr are not shipped in the "normal" packages (to keep them nice and small). See https://wiki.debian.org/HowToGetABacktrace on how to install the debug symbols for a given package.
which indicates the problem is in the [readanysf~] playback and not in Pd or [mp3cast~].
Well if it happens only every few days, things might be related to thread and/or memory management, which means that the cause of the problem could be *anywhere*. But if course the backtrace is where I would start looking as well.
I plan to run those streams for some more years and am looking for a sustainable way to play back the audio files. Thus, I'm evaluating possible options:
- Fix [readanysf~] (if the problem is in readanysf~ and not in a
library)
- Switch to [mp3amp~] from unauthorized. However, it doesn't compile
with current libmpg123
I think it was just today that somebody on irc mentioned that they would not recommend using "unauthorized".
cannot compile the original sources). What does it mean for the future of the object that the external doesn't have an upstream maintainer?
That it should be moved to the "pd-externals" repository so people *can* give it some love in a discoverable place.
Before those issues arose, the streams have been running for years with minimal maintenance effort. That really speaks for Pd's quality and careful development practices. I can't quite figure out what changed in the system. I upgraded the server to Debian bookworm last year, but experience the issues only since a few weeks.
There was a bookworm point release last week, maybe this is related (in case you do regular security upgrades). Check the apt and dpkg logs...
mfg.sfg.jfd IOhannes
On Thu, 2024-11-21 at 19:16 +0100, IOhannes m zmölnig wrote:
Am 21. November 2024 10:55:37 MEZ schrieb reduzent@gmail.com:
This is the backtrace (not much useful info, libraries from Debian seem not compiled with debug symbols):
They are compiled *with* debug symbols, but thesr are not shipped in the "normal" packages (to keep them nice and small). See https://wiki.debian.org/HowToGetABacktrace on how to install the debug symbols for a given package.
Ok, good to know! I will look into that.
which indicates the problem is in the [readanysf~] playback and not in Pd or [mp3cast~].
Well if it happens only every few days, things might be related to thread and/or memory management, which means that the cause of the problem could be *anywhere*.
I see. I _did_ upgrade Pd. I will try to correlate dpkg-logs with start of segfaults.
That it should be moved to the "pd-externals" repository so people *can* give it some love in a discoverable place.
👍
Dear August
In case you read this, please state your intentions regarding the further maintenance of [readanysf~]. We consider the external abandoned and we plan to host it under the umbrella of the pd-externals group.
@IOhannes What do you think of the gmerlin project that [readanysf~] depends on? It seems still hosted in a subversion repository and hasn't had much activity since ~2012. I saw some recent commits of yours and it seems to be kept alive partially or fully due to your work/commitment. Will it survive the next few years?
Roman
Hi, Roman !
Maybe off-topic, but i thought i'd mention it:
I recently had good success with remote controlling VLC player from within PD. i don't know if this helps in your setup, but at least VLC might still be around the next years ;-)
Basically what you do is: You start vlc (or "cvlc" - the command line version of vlc) invoking a TCP remote control address.
I actually started vlc from within PD with the [command] external:
[exec /usr/bin/cvlc -I rc --rc-host=localhost:7777( | [command]
this way you can send remote control messages to
[netsend -b] [initiated with "connect localhost 7777")
(I'm not sure if the binary mode is needed but i used it anyway)
You can also receive information from cvlc this way. send a "help" message to get available commands or see for example here:
https://superuser.com/questions/767330/is-there-a-simple-audio-player-that-c...
Sidenote:
Remote controlling MPLAYER is supposed to work in a similar way, but i didn't investigate it too much ...
Best
Oliver
reduzent@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, 2024-11-21 at 19:16 +0100, IOhannes m zmölnig wrote:
Am 21. November 2024 10:55:37 MEZ schrieb reduzent@gmail.com:
This is the backtrace (not much useful info, libraries from Debian seem not compiled with debug symbols):
They are compiled *with* debug symbols, but thesr are not shipped in the "normal" packages (to keep them nice and small). See https://wiki.debian.org/HowToGetABacktrace on how to install the debug symbols for a given package.
Ok, good to know! I will look into that.
which indicates the problem is in the [readanysf~] playback and not in Pd or [mp3cast~].
Well if it happens only every few days, things might be related to thread and/or memory management, which means that the cause of the problem could be *anywhere*.
I see. I _did_ upgrade Pd. I will try to correlate dpkg-logs with start of segfaults.
That it should be moved to the "pd-externals" repository so people *can* give it some love in a discoverable place.
👍
Dear August
In case you read this, please state your intentions regarding the further maintenance of [readanysf~]. We consider the external abandoned and we plan to host it under the umbrella of the pd-externals group.
@IOhannes What do you think of the gmerlin project that [readanysf~] depends on? It seems still hosted in a subversion repository and hasn't had much activity since ~2012. I saw some recent commits of yours and it seems to be kept alive partially or fully due to your work/commitment. Will it survive the next few years?
Roman
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Hi Oliver
On Fri, 2024-11-22 at 11:49 +0100, oliver wrote:
I recently had good success with remote controlling VLC player from within PD.
Thanks for the suggestion. That's actually where I came from. I used to control MPlayer from Pd and I was really glad that I could do it all purely within a Pd patch when [readanysf~] came along. Things were much more cumbersome back then. Nowadays, with [command] this would work a tad bit neater.
It's definitely a fall-back option. However, I'd like to avoid it due to the increased complexity and the different software involved. I still want to process audio in Pd, so I have to make sure to route vlc/mpv audio output to Pd through JACK, which requires to give each JACK client (mpv/vlc and Pd) a unique name so that persistent routing works (consider having many such setups in parallel). Also, I'd like to avoid JACK all together so that a Pd hiccup does not cause an audible drop-out. My radios run Pd with '-nosound -nomidi -nogui' and thus the only buffering is happening in [mp3cast~]. Which again means there are practically no drop-outs at all. The patch can even do tasks like rendering text-to-speech voice with [flite~] without any side-effects.
Cheers, Roman
Am 22. November 2024 10:12:35 MEZ schrieb reduzent@gmail.com:
@IOhannes What do you think of the gmerlin project that [readanysf~] depends on? It seems still hosted in a subversion repository and hasn't had much activity since ~2012. I saw some recent commits of yours and it seems to be kept alive partially or fully due to your work/commitment.
Not really true. Gmerlin has moved to GitHub a while ago (eg https://github.com/bplaum/gmerlin-avdecoder) and development is still active. The main issue is, that Burkhard hasn't done any releases for ages. I keep trying to convince him to do one, but so far no dice (and iirc the API has been broken recently, so I don't know whether our clients (readanysf~, Gem) will need adjustments.
mfg.sfg.jfd IOhannes
On Fri, 2024-11-22 at 12:32 +0100, IOhannes m zmölnig wrote:
Am 22. November 2024 10:12:35 MEZ schrieb reduzent@gmail.com:
@IOhannes What do you think of the gmerlin project that [readanysf~] depends on? It seems still hosted in a subversion repository and hasn't had much activity since ~2012. I saw some recent commits of yours and it seems to be kept alive partially or fully due to your work/commitment.
Not really true.
I'm glad to hear. Thanks for the heads-up.
Roman
Hi Roman, all,
Dear August
In case you read this, please state your intentions regarding the further maintenance of [readanysf~]. We consider the external abandoned and we plan to host it under the umbrella of the pd-externals group.
I hate to say it, but it is unlikely I'll have time to attend to [readanysf~ ] anymore.
It has been more than a decade and I've started to use the web for most things these days.
I would love it if there was a general media IO solution for PD that can read all kinds of file formats from all kinds of transports (file, web, etc). Could be optional at build time.
I hadn't known that gavl/gmerlin is still being maintained. The website looks defunct. That's good news, I guess.
I'm wondering if it would make more sense to depend on gstreamer, however. It will likely be more stable over time, not to mention more flexible. Any movement with pdgst?
best -august
Hi August
On Fri, 2024-11-22 at 17:06 +0100, august wrote:
In case you read this, please state your intentions regarding the further maintenance of [readanysf~]. We consider the external abandoned and we plan to host it under the umbrella of the pd-externals group.
I hate to say it, but it is unlikely I'll have time to attend to [readanysf~ ] anymore.
No, worries. Thanks for letting us know. I'm glad we share the notion of [readanysf~]'s maintenance status.
I've been using that object for many years and it has been serving me well so far. Thanks for that!
Cheers, Roman
Are there other mp3 playback externals?
[else/play.file~] used to be an abstraction based on [readsf~] but since the last update (RC12) it is now a compiled object that supports MP3, FLAC, WAV, AIF, AAC, OGG & OPUS audio file extensions. A new [sfload] object can import these files into arrays (but still needs lots of more work). There are many other player objects in ELSE that can load and play samples but these don't yet support these new formats (hang in there for the next version update).
This is all thanks to Tim Schoen by the way, who is yet to port this and include it in PlugData itself.
cheers
On Fri, 2024-11-22 at 17:06 +0100, august wrote:
I hate to say it, but it is unlikely I'll have time to attend to [readanysf~ ] anymore.
I gave [readanysf~] a new home and switched it to the pd-lib-builder build system. Also, I applied IOhannes' patches from Debian so that it builds out-of-the box:
https://github.com/pd-externals/readanysf
Roman
oi,
i read this thread by accident because i'm interested in the subject, i don't read pd list much.
so, yes, i would be glad that you don't use unauthorized anymore, and even that you remove it from PD.
i would also be glad that you stop using pd OpenCV, which has been stolen from the real authors and mainly Lluis Gomez i Bigorda and with my contributions, now, this is authored by an unknown youngster albeit the real work was done here : https://giss.tv/wiki/index.php/Opencv_for_PD
( and version should rather been taken from there ).
Lluis would not tell a thing as he is in other subjects, different from mine.
anyway, glad i left here.
papa, chevil@giss.tv ( good project, giss.tv )
reduzent@gmail.com wrote:
Hey all
I've been running two Icecast2 streams for a few years that are fed by a Pd patch. Those patches use [readanysf~] to playback MP3 and other audio media, partially from URL. The result is sent through [mp3cast~] to an Icecast2 server.
Since a few weeks, the patch segfaults after a few hours/days of running. This is the backtrace (not much useful info, libraries from Debian seem not compiled with debug symbols):
#0 0x00007ffff757be96 in ?? () from /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libgmerlin_avdec.so.2 #1 0x00007ffff756cf14 in ?? () from /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libgmerlin_avdec.so.2 #2 0x00007ffff75a64c7 in ?? () from /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libgmerlin_avdec.so.2 #3 0x00007ffff753f8e8 in bgav_open () from /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libgmerlin_avdec.so.2 #4 0x00007ffff78a42a7 in ?? () from /usr/lib/pd/extra/readanysf~/readanysf~.pd_linux #5 0x00007ffff7bf41c4 in ?? () from /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libc.so.6 #6 0x00007ffff7c7485c in ?? () from /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libc.so.6
which indicates the problem is in the [readanysf~] playback and not in Pd or [mp3cast~].
I plan to run those streams for some more years and am looking for a sustainable way to play back the audio files. Thus, I'm evaluating possible options:
Fix [readanysf~] (if the problem is in readanysf~ and not in a library)
Switch to [mp3amp~] from unauthorized. However, it doesn't compile with current libmpg123
Use something else. Are there other mp3 playback externals?
Fixing [readanysf~] or adjusting [mp3amp~] to modern libmpg23 seem to exceed my coding capabilities and before I decide for a route, I'd like to check what else is around.
Having said that, [readanysf~] is a pretty neat external since it plays many audio formats and supports streaming from HTTP. However, it doesn't seem maintained upstream and is stuck at version 0.43 since 2012. Amazingly, it still works in Debian due to IOhannes' work (I cannot compile the original sources). What does it mean for the future of the object that the external doesn't have an upstream maintainer?
Before those issues arose, the streams have been running for years with minimal maintenance effort. That really speaks for Pd's quality and careful development practices. I can't quite figure out what changed in the system. I upgraded the server to Debian bookworm last year, but experience the issues only since a few weeks.
This is with:
- Debian bookworm (amd64)
- Pd-0.55.1 from bookworm-backports
- pd-readanysf 0.43-5 from bookworm
Thanks, Roman
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Am 22. November 2024 13:41:27 MEZ schrieb "ydegoyon @gmail.com" ydegoyon@gmail.com:
oi,
Ola! Nice hearing from you, Yves. Good to know you are alive and kicking.
so, yes, i would be glad that you don't use unauthorized anymore, and even that you remove it from PD.
That's going to be hard, as it is not part of Pd. (And long gone are the days of Pd-extended, that would include any externals outside of what miller puts into extra/)
i would also be glad that you stop using pd OpenCV, which has been stolen from the real authors
That's the trouble with floss. People start to own what is not theirs...
anyway, glad i left here.
papa,
I know, kids can have that effect
mfg.sfg.jfd IOhannes
IOhannes m zmölnig wrote:
Am 22. November 2024 13:41:27 MEZ schrieb "ydegoyon @gmail.com" ydegoyon@gmail.com:
oi,
Ola! Nice hearing from you, Yves. Good to know you are alive and kicking.
so, yes, i would be glad that you don't use unauthorized anymore, and even that you remove it from PD.
That's going to be hard, as it is not part of Pd. (And long gone are the days of Pd-extended, that would include any externals outside of what miller puts into extra/)
don't play on words, to be removed of any pd-related external sites, as the real source is on GISS.tv, for ethical friends only.
i would also be glad that you stop using pd OpenCV, which has been stolen from the real authors
That's the trouble with floss. People start to own what is not theirs...
anyway, glad i left here.
papa,
I know, kids can have that effect
????, papa is a locution for 'adios'
chevil@giss.tv
ahoj,
i would also be glad that you stop using pd OpenCV, which has been stolen from the real authors
That's the trouble with floss. People start to own what is not theirs...
it's actually that the A.R.T. world should rather be called a R.A.T. world and i don't want to hear about it anymore.
viva los punkies, mucho mas honestos.
chevil@giss.tv
ydegoyon @gmail.com wrote:
ahoj,
i would also be glad that you stop using pd OpenCV, which has been stolen from the real authors
That's the trouble with floss. People start to own what is not theirs...
it's actually that the A.R.T. world should rather be called a R.A.T. world and i don't want to hear about it anymore.
viva los punkies, mucho mas honestos.
chevil@giss.tv
it was just a test to confirm that you filter my emails, so all conversation here is crooked and you're part of the censoring and lying ones.
all that proves that i was right ( to quit ).
chevil@giss.tv
Not that I want you to have second thoughts about quitting, but your emails are coming in (though I hope you stop sending them)
cheers
Em sáb., 23 de nov. de 2024 às 00:10, ydegoyon @gmail.com < ydegoyon@gmail.com> escreveu:
ydegoyon @gmail.com wrote:
ahoj,
i would also be glad that you stop using pd OpenCV, which has been stolen from the real authors
That's the trouble with floss. People start to own what is not theirs...
it's actually that the A.R.T. world should rather be called a R.A.T. world and i don't want to hear about it anymore.
viva los punkies, mucho mas honestos.
chevil@giss.tv
it was just a test to confirm that you filter my emails, so all conversation here is crooked and you're part of the censoring and lying ones.
all that proves that i was right ( to quit ).
chevil@giss.tv
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ah yes, the email filter that sent them to the trash, i reactivate it
Alexandre Torres Porres wrote:
Not that I want you to have second thoughts about quitting, but your emails are coming in (though I hope you stop sending them)
cheers
Em sáb., 23 de nov. de 2024 às 00:10, ydegoyon @gmail.com http://gmail.com <ydegoyon@gmail.com mailto:ydegoyon@gmail.com> escreveu:
ydegoyon @gmail.com <http://gmail.com> wrote: > ahoj, >>> i would also be glad that you stop using pd OpenCV, >>> which has been stolen from the real authors >> That's the trouble with floss. People start to own what is not theirs... >> >> > it's actually that the A.R.T. world should rather be called a R.A.T. > world > and i don't want to hear about it anymore. > > viva los punkies, mucho mas honestos. > > chevil@giss.tv <mailto:chevil@giss.tv> it was just a test to confirm that you filter my emails, so all conversation here is crooked and you're part of the censoring and lying ones. all that proves that i was right ( to quit ). chevil@giss.tv <mailto:chevil@giss.tv> --- pd-list@lists.iem.at <mailto:pd-list@lists.iem.at> - the Pure Data mailinglist https://lists.iem.at/hyperkitty/list/pd-list@lists.iem.at/message/3ISRZE4FJ66GWTOI2VCZOKIW3MJKEG7B/ To unsubscribe send an email to pd-list-leave@lists.iem.at <mailto:pd-list-leave@lists.iem.at> mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> https://lists.iem.at/
hola, mailto:chevil@giss.tv
it was just a test to confirm that you filter my emails, so all conversation here is crooked and you're part of the censoring and lying ones.
to Iohannes : sorry for that, i got confused by email filters, but, still, your answers are really unsatisfying, not even recognizing code robbery.
chevil@giss.tv
Property is robbery...
Le sam. 23 nov. 2024 à 15:47, ydegoyon @gmail.com ydegoyon@gmail.com a écrit :
hola, chevil@giss.tv
it was just a test to confirm that you filter my emails,
so all conversation here is crooked and you're part of the censoring and lying ones.
to Iohannes : sorry for that, i got confused by email filters,
but, still, your answers are really unsatisfying, not even recognizing code robbery.
chevil@giss.tv
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Freedom is Slavery ( author : Antoine Rousseau )
Antoine Rousseau wrote:
Property is robbery...
Le sam. 23 nov. 2024 à 15:47, ydegoyon @gmail.com http://gmail.com <ydegoyon@gmail.com mailto:ydegoyon@gmail.com> a écrit :
hola,it was just a test to confirm that you filter my emails, so all conversation here is crooked and you're part of the censoring and lying ones.to Iohannes : sorry for that, i got confused by email filters, but, still, your answers are really unsatisfying, not even recognizing code robbery. chevil@giss.tv <mailto:chevil@giss.tv> --- pd-list@lists.iem.at <mailto:pd-list@lists.iem.at> - the Pure Data mailinglist https://lists.iem.at/hyperkitty/list/pd-list@lists.iem.at/message/OF24XKTK6VUTR37Q4DSBSLVHHANRP7AG/ To unsubscribe send an email to pd-list-leave@lists.iem.at <mailto:pd-list-leave@lists.iem.at> mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> https://lists.iem.at/
and, you, always promoting your ELSE, when you don't even understand the subject that was to decode a STREAM, not to read a FILE...
well, end of useless conversation
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Not that I want you to have second thoughts about quitting, but your emails are coming in (though I hope you stop sending them)
cheers
Em sáb., 23 de nov. de 2024 às 00:10, ydegoyon @gmail.com http://gmail.com <ydegoyon@gmail.com mailto:ydegoyon@gmail.com> escreveu:
ydegoyon @gmail.com <http://gmail.com> wrote: > ahoj, >>> i would also be glad that you stop using pd OpenCV, >>> which has been stolen from the real authors >> That's the trouble with floss. People start to own what is not theirs... >> >> > it's actually that the A.R.T. world should rather be called a R.A.T. > world > and i don't want to hear about it anymore. > > viva los punkies, mucho mas honestos. > > chevil@giss.tv <mailto:chevil@giss.tv> it was just a test to confirm that you filter my emails, so all conversation here is crooked and you're part of the censoring and lying ones. all that proves that i was right ( to quit ). chevil@giss.tv <mailto:chevil@giss.tv> --- pd-list@lists.iem.at <mailto:pd-list@lists.iem.at> - the Pure Data mailinglist https://lists.iem.at/hyperkitty/list/pd-list@lists.iem.at/message/3ISRZE4FJ66GWTOI2VCZOKIW3MJKEG7B/ To unsubscribe send an email to pd-list-leave@lists.iem.at <mailto:pd-list-leave@lists.iem.at> mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> https://lists.iem.at/
Yeah, sorry, as someone who raw dogs life with ADHD (that is without medication), I often miss things when struggling to stay focused. If others have noticed funny things about me, I'd like to come out of the closet as a neurodivergent AHDH/Autistic fellow that has just recently been tested ;) and I encourage people to get tested if they find it necessary.
But hey bro, I wouldn't say I'm that stupid... ;) and neither I'd say I'm a loving character like you. By the way, funny you didn't change much over the years... you know, this type of attitude was kinda cute when we were all younger and thought we could rule the world, but now it's just kinda sad...
Now to get back to the sake of the discussion, while Tim doesn't join in, I'd like to add that I remember Tim was already working on also streaming files for [play.file~], so this was definitely a doable plan and something we may get it done soon, though he needs to drop by and speak for himself... and sorry again I didn't assume [readanysf~] did other things besides _reading_ (any sound) files :) or that I didn't read things more carefully focused.
Bye Yves, thanks for dropping by.
Em sáb., 23 de nov. de 2024 às 01:21, ydegoyon @gmail.com < ydegoyon@gmail.com> escreveu:
and, you, always promoting your ELSE, when you don't even understand the subject that was to decode a STREAM, not to read a FILE...
well, end of useless conversation
Alexandre Torres Porres wrote:
Not that I want you to have second thoughts about quitting, but your emails are coming in (though I hope you stop sending them)
cheers
Em sáb., 23 de nov. de 2024 às 00:10, ydegoyon @gmail.com < ydegoyon@gmail.com> escreveu:
ydegoyon @gmail.com wrote:
ahoj,
i would also be glad that you stop using pd OpenCV, which has been stolen from the real authors
That's the trouble with floss. People start to own what is not
theirs...
it's actually that the A.R.T. world should rather be called a R.A.T. world and i don't want to hear about it anymore.
viva los punkies, mucho mas honestos.
chevil@giss.tv
it was just a test to confirm that you filter my emails, so all conversation here is crooked and you're part of the censoring and lying ones.
all that proves that i was right ( to quit ).
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hola,
again, some pathos which is totally off-topic, my point is to decide what is done of my code and that we respect real authors here.
i don't need pd to mix streams and restream them, because i've got this : # GISS.tv Player : E.A.R.P. (Equalize, Add and Record/Restream Player ) https://giss.tv/player/earp.php?url=https://giss.tv:666/r90.mp3 https://giss.tv/player/earp.php?url=https://giss.tv:666/r90.mp3
chevil@giss.tv
Alexandre Torres Porres wrote:
Yeah, sorry, as someone who raw dogs life with ADHD (that is without medication), I often miss things when struggling to stay focused. If others have noticed funny things about me, I'd like to come out of the closet as a neurodivergent AHDH/Autistic fellow that has just recently been tested ;) and I encourage people to get tested if they find it necessary.
But hey bro, I wouldn't say I'm that stupid... ;) and neither I'd say I'm a loving character like you. By the way, funny you didn't change much over the years... you know, this type of attitude was kinda cute when we were all younger and thought we could rule the world, but now it's just kinda sad...
Now to get back to the sake of the discussion, while Tim doesn't join in, I'd like to add that I remember Tim was already working on also streaming files for [play.file~], so this was definitely a doable plan and something we may get it done soon, though he needs to drop by and speak for himself... and sorry again I didn't assume [readanysf~] did other things besides _reading_ (any sound) files :) or that I didn't read things more carefully focused.
Bye Yves, thanks for dropping by.
Em sáb., 23 de nov. de 2024 às 01:21, ydegoyon @gmail.com http://gmail.com <ydegoyon@gmail.com mailto:ydegoyon@gmail.com> escreveu:
and, you, always promoting your ELSE, when you don't even understand the subject that was to decode a STREAM, not to read a FILE... well, end of useless conversation Alexandre Torres Porres wrote:Not that I want you to have second thoughts about quitting, but your emails are coming in (though I hope you stop sending them) cheers Em sáb., 23 de nov. de 2024 às 00:10, ydegoyon @gmail.com <http://gmail.com> <ydegoyon@gmail.com <mailto:ydegoyon@gmail.com>> escreveu: ydegoyon @gmail.com <http://gmail.com> wrote: > ahoj, >>> i would also be glad that you stop using pd OpenCV, >>> which has been stolen from the real authors >> That's the trouble with floss. People start to own what is not theirs... >> >> > it's actually that the A.R.T. world should rather be called a R.A.T. > world > and i don't want to hear about it anymore. > > viva los punkies, mucho mas honestos. > > chevil@giss.tv <mailto:chevil@giss.tv> it was just a test to confirm that you filter my emails, so all conversation here is crooked and you're part of the censoring and lying ones. all that proves that i was right ( to quit ). chevil@giss.tv <mailto:chevil@giss.tv> --- pd-list@lists.iem.at <mailto:pd-list@lists.iem.at> - the Pure Data mailinglist https://lists.iem.at/hyperkitty/list/pd-list@lists.iem.at/message/3ISRZE4FJ66GWTOI2VCZOKIW3MJKEG7B/ To unsubscribe send an email to pd-list-leave@lists.iem.at <mailto:pd-list-leave@lists.iem.at> mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> https://lists.iem.at/
- Tim is sick, I spoke to him in private. I also went back on our
discord chat history and confirmed what I remembered. His first object prototype could stream MP3s indeed. Let me quote him. 2. "one thing that [ffplay~] could do that I somehow broke is streaming audio from online. I might want to try to bring that back, it's kind of cool. You just pass in a web url to "open" and it just works" 3. 4. So, I will make it sure we get this feature in as soon as possible and opened an issue about it https://github.com/porres/pd-else/issues/2214 5. 6. cheers
Em sáb., 23 de nov. de 2024 às 02:18, Alexandre Torres Porres < porres@gmail.com> escreveu:
Yeah, sorry, as someone who raw dogs life with ADHD (that is without medication), I often miss things when struggling to stay focused. If others have noticed funny things about me, I'd like to come out of the closet as a neurodivergent AHDH/Autistic fellow that has just recently been tested ;) and I encourage people to get tested if they find it necessary.
But hey bro, I wouldn't say I'm that stupid... ;) and neither I'd say I'm a loving character like you. By the way, funny you didn't change much over the years... you know, this type of attitude was kinda cute when we were all younger and thought we could rule the world, but now it's just kinda sad...
Now to get back to the sake of the discussion, while Tim doesn't join in, I'd like to add that I remember Tim was already working on also streaming files for [play.file~], so this was definitely a doable plan and something we may get it done soon, though he needs to drop by and speak for himself... and sorry again I didn't assume [readanysf~] did other things besides _reading_ (any sound) files :) or that I didn't read things more carefully focused.
Bye Yves, thanks for dropping by.
Em sáb., 23 de nov. de 2024 às 01:21, ydegoyon @gmail.com < ydegoyon@gmail.com> escreveu:
and, you, always promoting your ELSE, when you don't even understand the subject that was to decode a STREAM, not to read a FILE...
well, end of useless conversation
Alexandre Torres Porres wrote:
Not that I want you to have second thoughts about quitting, but your emails are coming in (though I hope you stop sending them)
cheers
Em sáb., 23 de nov. de 2024 às 00:10, ydegoyon @gmail.com < ydegoyon@gmail.com> escreveu:
ydegoyon @gmail.com wrote:
ahoj,
i would also be glad that you stop using pd OpenCV, which has been stolen from the real authors
That's the trouble with floss. People start to own what is not
theirs...
it's actually that the A.R.T. world should rather be called a R.A.T. world and i don't want to hear about it anymore.
viva los punkies, mucho mas honestos.
chevil@giss.tv
it was just a test to confirm that you filter my emails, so all conversation here is crooked and you're part of the censoring and lying ones.
all that proves that i was right ( to quit ).
chevil@giss.tv
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hi,
as mp3 is largely abandonned with the apparition of ogg, and lame _decoding_ api has changed and decoding objects have not been adapted, here is the status of my mp3 contributions :
Mp3cast~ : emits an mp3 stream to an icecast/shoutcast server. [OK]
Mp3amp~ : client to receive a stream from an icecast/shoutcast server. [BROKEN]
Mp3live~ = mp3streamout~/mp3fileout~/mp3streamin~ : a peer-to-peer mp3 streamer [BROKEN].
Mp3write~ : records audio to an mp3 file.[OK]
from unauthrorized real home : http://ydegoyon.free.fr/software.html
i don't think i'll rework on this, so good luck.
btw, for video, theora codec is dead also, so you should use webm format with the vp9 codec instead of theora like here : https://giss.tv/icecream-giss/www/broadcast.html
ciao, i go back to my real work chevil@giss.tv
Em dom., 24 de nov. de 2024 às 16:01, ydegoyon @gmail.com < ydegoyon@gmail.com> escreveu:
from unauthrorized real home : http://ydegoyon.free.fr/software.html
i don't think i'll rework on this, so good luck.
Thanks, but this is really confusing, as you said people shouldn't be using this and that it ought to be "removed from Pd". Anyway, just wanted to say I saw the humor in "unauthorized" being "unauthorized" for usage :)
Well, I just cloned it and will look what's in there, I never used any of it. I see it's all GPL, so yeah, of course anybody can use it...
Em sex., 22 de nov. de 2024 às 12:40, IOhannes m zmölnig zmoelnig@iem.at escreveu:
That's going to be hard, as it is not part of Pd. (And long gone are the days of Pd-extended, that would include any externals outside of what miller puts into extra/)
That is true, and even though there was an effort to upload all extended libraries into deken, many don't work anymore, including unauthorized, which I can't install in Vanilla on my new mac, as the version up in deken don't include my architecture. And that goes into the line of us not really promoting or encouraging people to use abandoned and old libraries.
It's worth noting though that Purr Data and Pd-L2ork thrive on keeping the legacy of extended, and they do include "Unauthorized". Not sure how the status is over there, but they do their best in keeping things around. But then... again... if you really want it to be removed from those, you're out of luck and I can only think of a meme that says...
*"makes free software" "gets mad when people fork it"*
ciao, i go back to my real work chevil@giss.tv
Please, stay there...
Looking into the archives I see a message from you form exactly 14 years ago https://lists.iem.at/hyperkitty/list/pd-list@lists.iem.at/message/WDZQ3D4U4U657O4EEUZ52ZTHBUP4ZWGJ/, I felt such a coincidence deserved a notice, and I would like to enjoy the opportunity and retribute the offering you made then and give you back this song (funny how it suits you much better) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nULKw8s061E&ab_channel=MillyBeatrix
So... please don't stay in touch...
*"makes free software" "gets mad when people fork it"*
they can fork it and even thank the author, but never pretend they are the author, dumb ill man.
second, i might be ill too, but would not expose this on a mailing list.
unauthorized ( the real one, kept in GISS.tv git ) now have the same license as PiDiP ; NOT FOR MILITARY OR REPRESSIVE USE, although this applies more to PiDiP as it has an embryo of tracking feature.
no use to send me back songs i once posted, it shows a total lack of imagination.
chevil@giss.tv
i just step on this mailing list, because some recommended to not use unauthorized, and i agree, remove it please !!!
all the rants and shit about your opinions is just nothing! you don't even know what it is, you said !
so, shut your mouth, your mama said.
chevil@giss.tv
ydegoyon @gmail.com wrote:
*"makes free software" "gets mad when people fork it"*
they can fork it and even thank the author, but never pretend they are the author, dumb ill man.
second, i might be ill too, but would not expose this on a mailing list.
unauthorized ( the real one, kept in GISS.tv git ) now have the same license as PiDiP ; NOT FOR MILITARY OR REPRESSIVE USE, although this applies more to PiDiP as it has an embryo of tracking feature.
no use to send me back songs i once posted, it shows a total lack of imagination.
chevil@giss.tv
hello,
finally, to answer to the initial question, and if you want a pure pd solution here, the answer is :
turn your streams to ogg and use oggamp~, because mp3amp~ is definitely dead.
suerte, chevil@giss.tv
a funny little detail, which is more a bug report :
when i install pd-readanysf package on my ubuntu 22 64 bits with : apt-get install pd-readanysf
i get :
/usr/local/pd/externs/readanysf~.pd_linux:/usr/local/pd/externs/readanysf~.pd_linux: wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS32
haha, wt heck ?
chevil@giss.tv
ydegoyon @gmail.com wrote:
hello,
finally, to answer to the initial question, and if you want a pure pd solution here, the answer is :
turn your streams to ogg and use oggamp~, because mp3amp~ is definitely dead.
suerte, chevil@giss.tv
oops, sorry, forget this, it was loading an old version of readanysf~ in the wrong location
ydegoyon @gmail.com wrote:
a funny little detail, which is more a bug report :
when i install pd-readanysf package on my ubuntu 22 64 bits with : apt-get install pd-readanysf
i get :
/usr/local/pd/externs/readanysf~.pd_linux:/usr/local/pd/externs/readanysf~.pd_linux: wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS32
haha, wt heck ?
chevil@giss.tv
ydegoyon @gmail.com wrote:
hello,
finally, to answer to the initial question, and if you want a pure pd solution here, the answer is :
turn your streams to ogg and use oggamp~, because mp3amp~ is definitely dead.
suerte, chevil@giss.tv
Em dom., 24 de nov. de 2024 às 21:18, ydegoyon @gmail.com < ydegoyon@gmail.com> escreveu:
*> they can fork it and even thank the author,> but never pretend they are the author, dumb ill man.*
Unauthorized - the piece of software I was talking about - clearly has you as the author. I don't know and I'm not sure others know what you're talking about with PiDip being stolen by an "unknown youngster", and I think you are an intelligent man as to realize we're not shipping PiDip anywhere and that you are not talking to whoever you are accusing of stealing your work without credit. And ohboy, you're really trying hard to offend me in a petty way :) I'm sorry I got that way into your head.
I didn't wanna brag about it, but I also have a 3rd divergent trait, which is being highly gifted. My IQ scored way above average and it masks my issues, as when I'm challenged by them, the score drops to "average". Since you're so interested in my conditions, check this diagram https://tendingpaths.wordpress.com/2022/12/12/updated-autism-adhd-giftedness... (actually I'd like to raise awareness, this is really helping me).
*> unauthorized ( the real one, kept in GISS.tv git ) now have the same license as PiDiP*
I said I cloned from your git <git clone http://giss.tv/~git/git.cgi/unauthorized.git%3E. The license in there, in all the objects I checked, was still 'GPL'. If you changed it, you don't seem to have updated it or made new versions based on your new license in the "real repository, kept in GISS.tv".
I'm actually curious about the license discussion as I don't know much about it. As I see it, once you release a version with the GPL license, people can fork it and redistribute it forever. I bet the Pd people know a lot about licensing and that is why 'unauthorized' was kept in Extended.
You somehow seem to want us to "remove" unauthorized from somewhere. Well, where? We're not shipping it. We're not maintaining it. I am actually trying to help you understand the situation. We're all on the same page that "unauthorized" should not be used. So I hope you realize how pointless this discussion is. You don't seem to get things even being so smart and after multiple explanations. If it's still confusing, I'll just give up.
I also added the information that, currently, the ones who are still shipping unauthorized are Pd-L2ork and Purr Data. You can try and reach and have a fight with them, but I don't think you can get it out of there in the same way you couldn't get it out of Extended.
The extended libraries were once uploaded to be installed in Vanilla via our deken plugin. It was important to have these libraries around in a transition phase period when Extended quite unfortunately ceased and people were adapting. There are new libraries being maintained and with alternatives. Unauthorized is dead, abandoned, no one is maintaining it or making new uploads. There's an old version there which doesn't even run on newer machines and it has the old license and explains how it was forked and even points to your original repository. Isn't that good enough? Do you want us to upload a new version with the new license so people can install from deken? Can we leave it at that? Do you want it out of deken? Under what reasoning?
It's part of my personal mission to offer alternatives from old and abandoned libraries, from Extended and elsewhere. I already have alternatives for a couple of objects I used from unauthorized, like [grid] (I got [slider2d] and [pad] in ELSE for that). Yeah, I lied I "never used it", but I don't consider that using a couple of objects when I was using Extended means I actually knew your library.
For the record, I will reinforce that now that I have unauthorized cloned, I will look again on what's in there for real, see if something is worth having an alternative to. And regarding the topic of the thread, I'll investigate more about what we have in Pd regarding streaming and will look into adding those things into ELSE (and in PlugData by extension).
*> i might be ill too, but would not expose this on a mailing list.*
You're exposing yourself a lot though, seriously. Hey, time for a peace offering here. I'll be bluntly honest, but I don't wanna get into this petty silly exchange of offenses. You do seem to have mental issues in the way you expose yourself and I'm actually changing the way I feel about you.
It's ok for you to expose whatever you deal with, but I agree you shouldn't expose them to justify your behaviour as people don't have to take crap because you're not ok. And it's not like you want to justify anything and be sorry for whatever you're doing, you're actually doubling down. My case differs and, for starters, it's not an "illness", they're divergent traits, and I'm not using anything as an excuse to justify any rude/offensive behaviour. On the contrary, I was defending myself from silly attacks and insults, implying I'm stupid or something ;) Whatever you have or don't have technically, an illness or not, what I see is a confused and grumpy dude. Regardless of the case, I'm actually just getting sorry for you.
My condition makes it really hard for me to not be bluntly honest. It can haunt me for a lifetime if I hold things. For instance, you were a real prick at PdCon09. It was a nightmare dealing with you all along. I regret I invited you, insisted on your coming, paid for your stuff, made sure you had all you needed, because at literally the last minute you simply missed the flight we had paid for you. I never told you how that made me feel (I was also pretty busy at the event) and here I still am, finding the need to tell it to your face how that screwed us, how I wish I had invited somebody else instead, and how you were just a dick about it. I don't need to expose the details, people can just imagine how uncool it was. It's nice to let it out, offer you a happy song and tell you how it felt, but I'm now having mixed feelings and it's true I'm also just sorry to realize you're still struggling with whatever haunts you after so many years.
Ok, it is out, let bygones be bygones. I'm done. None of this concerns the Pd-list, but I wanted to clear this wasn't just some silly engagement without a history. On the other hand, you're also coming back here and being offensive and rude in general again. You're just revisiting how you mistreated people about 14 years ago out of nowhere. So I'd like to clarify why I took the stand and had the initiative to deal with you and not let you have it easy this time around, and push you back if you're just gonna make a scene again. I see others have an easier way of handling this and just ignore you. That's way harder for me, but it gets easier after I let things out.
I think the community is open to welcoming you back if you can hold it together, as this is what was happening, you were being treated nice, after all you did, but you blew it. To be honest, I poked you and pushed you back cause I don't count on your ability to behave. But if I'm wrong and you can be nice, welcome back :) anytime!
Really, I'd be glad to collaborate and let bygones be bygones, and help with what's troubling you. If you’re open to a more productive approach and can keep things civil, I’m happy to exchange. However, if that's not the case, I’ll disengage and I guess others won't bother much as well.
cheers
yeh, get a cure, i'm doing well
autorship was about *pd OpenCV* if you can't read anything clearly, and it's mainly from *Luis Gomez i Bigorda* and me if you can't even remember details.
at the same time, yes, removing unauthorized from *Deken * would please me.
i write in bold so you can remember.
and we have absolutely whatsover *ANY personal relationship*, so drop your comments about my attitude.
yeh, friends told me about the mood in your convention, and i don't regret i wasn't there, i don't go in a colony for boyscouts.
all your old rancors really show that you are sick, not more.
chevil@giss.tv
Alexandre Torres Porres wrote:
Em dom., 24 de nov. de 2024 às 21:18, ydegoyon @gmail.com http://gmail.com <ydegoyon@gmail.com mailto:ydegoyon@gmail.com> escreveu:*
they can fork it and even thank the author, but never pretend they are the author, dumb ill man.*
Unauthorized - the piece of software I was talking about - clearly has you as the author. I don't know and I'm not sure others know what you're talking about with PiDip being stolen by an "unknown youngster", and I think you are an intelligent man as to realize we're not shipping PiDip anywhere and that you are not talking to whoever you are accusing of stealing your work without credit. And ohboy, you're really trying hard to offend me in a petty way :) I'm sorry I got that way into your head.
I didn't wanna brag about it, but I also have a 3rd divergent trait, which is being highly gifted. My IQ scored way above average and it masks my issues, as when I'm challenged by them, the score drops to "average". Since you're so interested in my conditions, check this diagram https://tendingpaths.wordpress.com/2022/12/12/updated-autism-adhd-giftedness... (actually I'd like to raise awareness, this is really helping me).
*> unauthorized ( the real one, kept in GISS.tv git ) now have the same license as PiDiP*
I said I cloned from your git <git clone http://giss.tv/~git/git.cgi/unauthorized.git%3E. The license in there, in all the objects I checked, was still 'GPL'. If you changed it, you don't seem to have updated it or made new versions based on your new license in the "real repository, kept in GISS.tv".
I'm actually curious about the license discussion as I don't know much about it. As I see it, once you release a version with the GPL license, people can fork it and redistribute it forever. I bet the Pd people know a lot about licensing and that is why 'unauthorized' was kept in Extended.
You somehow seem to want us to "remove" unauthorized from somewhere. Well, where? We're not shipping it. We're not maintaining it. I am actually trying to help you understand the situation. We're all on the same page that "unauthorized" should not be used. So I hope you realize how pointless this discussion is. You don't seem to get things even being so smart and after multiple explanations. If it's still confusing, I'll just give up.
I also added the information that, currently, the ones who are still shipping unauthorized are Pd-L2ork and Purr Data. You can try and reach and have a fight with them, but I don't think you can get it out of there in the same way you couldn't get it out of Extended.
The extended libraries were once uploaded to be installed in Vanilla via our deken plugin. It was important to have these libraries around in a transition phase period when Extended quite unfortunately ceased and people were adapting. There are new libraries being maintained and with alternatives. Unauthorized is dead, abandoned, no one is maintaining it or making new uploads. There's an old version there which doesn't even run on newer machines and it has the old license and explains how it was forked and even points to your original repository. Isn't that good enough? Do you want us to upload a new version with the new license so people can install from deken? Can we leave it at that? Do you want it out of deken? Under what reasoning?
It's part of my personal mission to offer alternatives from old and abandoned libraries, from Extended and elsewhere. I already have alternatives for a couple of objects I used from unauthorized, like [grid] (I got [slider2d] and [pad] in ELSE for that). Yeah, I lied I "never used it", but I don't consider that using a couple of objects when I was using Extended means I actually knew your library.
For the record, I will reinforce that now that I have unauthorized cloned, I will look again on what's in there for real, see if something is worth having an alternative to. And regarding the topic of the thread, I'll investigate more about what we have in Pd regarding streaming and will look into adding those things into ELSE (and in PlugData by extension).
*> i might be ill too, but would not expose this on a mailing list.*
You're exposing yourself a lot though, seriously. Hey, time for a peace offering here. I'll be bluntly honest, but I don't wanna get into this petty silly exchange of offenses. You do seem to have mental issues in the way you expose yourself and I'm actually changing the way I feel about you.
It's ok for you to expose whatever you deal with, but I agree you shouldn't expose them to justify your behaviour as people don't have to take crap because you're not ok. And it's not like you want to justify anything and be sorry for whatever you're doing, you're actually doubling down. My case differs and, for starters, it's not an "illness", they're divergent traits, and I'm not using anything as an excuse to justify any rude/offensive behaviour. On the contrary, I was defending myself from silly attacks and insults, implying I'm stupid or something ;) Whatever you have or don't have technically, an illness or not, what I see is a confused and grumpy dude. Regardless of the case, I'm actually just getting sorry for you.
My condition makes it really hard for me to not be bluntly honest. It can haunt me for a lifetime if I hold things. For instance, you were a real prick at PdCon09. It was a nightmare dealing with you all along. I regret I invited you, insisted on your coming, paid for your stuff, made sure you had all you needed, because at literally the last minute you simply missed the flight we had paid for you. I never told you how that made me feel (I was also pretty busy at the event) and here I still am, finding the need to tell it to your face how that screwed us, how I wish I had invited somebody else instead, and how you were just a dick about it. I don't need to expose the details, people can just imagine how uncool it was. It's nice to let it out, offer you a happy song and tell you how it felt, but I'm now having mixed feelings and it's true I'm also just sorry to realize you're still struggling with whatever haunts you after so many years.
Ok, it is out, let bygones be bygones. I'm done. None of this concerns the Pd-list, but I wanted to clear this wasn't just some silly engagement without a history. On the other hand, you're also coming back here and being offensive and rude in general again. You're just revisiting how you mistreated people about 14 years ago out of nowhere. So I'd like to clarify why I took the stand and had the initiative to deal with you and not let you have it easy this time around, and push you back if you're just gonna make a scene again. I see others have an easier way of handling this and just ignore you. That's way harder for me, but it gets easier after I let things out.
I think the community is open to welcoming you back if you can hold it together, as this is what was happening, you were being treated nice, after all you did, but you blew it. To be honest, I poked you and pushed you back cause I don't count on your ability to behave. But if I'm wrong and you can be nice, welcome back :) anytime!
Really, I'd be glad to collaborate and let bygones be bygones, and help with what's troubling you. If you’re open to a more productive approach and can keep things civil, I’m happy to exchange. However, if that's not the case, I’ll disengage and I guess others won't bother much as well.
cheers
Em qui., 21 de nov. de 2024 às 06:55, reduzent@gmail.com escreveu:
before I decide for a route, I'd like to check what else is around.
I can't believe I missed the opportunity for this pun... but when you were writing that you could have imagined ank asked what "ELSE" object was around...
On Fri, 2024-11-22 at 18:45 -0300, Alexandre Torres Porres wrote:
Em qui., 21 de nov. de 2024 às 06:55, reduzent@gmail.com escreveu:
before I decide for a route, I'd like to check what else is around.
I can't believe I missed the opportunity for this pun...
😆
but when you were writing that you could have imagined ank asked what "ELSE" object was around...
Yeah, totally...
Anyway, [play.file~] seems pretty neat and seems to work well. Thanks for mentioning. It doesn't cover all of my use-cases, as in some I need HTTP transport.
Roman
Maybe Tim can also support that! What do you say Tim?
On Fri, 22 Nov 2024 at 20:08 Roman Haefeli reduzent@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, 2024-11-22 at 18:45 -0300, Alexandre Torres Porres wrote:
Em qui., 21 de nov. de 2024 às 06:55, reduzent@gmail.com escreveu:
before I decide for a route, I'd like to check what else is around.
I can't believe I missed the opportunity for this pun...
😆
but when you were writing that you could have imagined ank asked what "ELSE" object was around...
Yeah, totally...
Anyway, [play.file~] seems pretty neat and seems to work well. Thanks for mentioning. It doesn't cover all of my use-cases, as in some I need HTTP transport.
Roman
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