2017-06-22 11:57 GMT-03:00 Pagano, Patrick patrick.pagano@uconn.edu:
Since we are chatting about externals and updates
I have a question about unauthorized, i would love to use some of those externals on linux32 but they always fail with reference to libspeex.so.* and it's in the folder, i symlinked it and everything to no avail. I assume Sevvy is long gone? I have not seen any of hist posts since the whole license war thing bt some of those externals [spigot~] [cooled~] scratcher~ etc... were fun.
Anyone have an idea how i might get those to work and if they do not work should we remove them finally?
Well, this is now just another unsupported/abandoned library from old Extended, as the vast majority of those libraries are. So I say you shouldn't expect much news from it. Maybe you could giver it a shot?
I don't know what you mean about "removing" them... like, from where? Pd Extended is no more, so it doesn't make sense to talk about removing from there. So, removing from deken? If some do not work in linux, you can't expect all versions to go away just because of that... what can you do? Just leave it there I guess.
Now, Purr Data still has these, as inherited from Pd Extended. I doubt jonathan is willing to support these, so maybe your question about "removing" it makes sense in this context...
And I also think spigot~ is quite simple and useless... there are more powerful objects elsewhere, such as selector~ from the newest cyclone.
cheers
i understand that but besides grid and sometimes playlist they don;t work and i wish they did. I tested the l2ork libraries for linux32 and the objects don;t work and complain about libspeex.so.1 whcih i tried symlinking etc. to no avail.
I am just trying to re-create the functionality of pd-extended in Vanilla and things are gong very well
FFTease! thanks l2ork
plugin~ " "
Soundhack [new]
else [awesome]
lyon Potpourri
- other ones: sugpack, cyclone, zexy etc... all work
the only ones that really don't work fully are the unauthorized ones which are quite fun
just curious not trying to prescribe anything!
cheers~
pp
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From: Alexandre Torres Porres porres@gmail.com Sent: Friday, June 23, 2017 7:15:36 PM To: Pagano, Patrick Cc: Tom Erbe; Pd-list@lists.iem.at Subject: unauthorized (was soundhack PD externals)
2017-06-22 11:57 GMT-03:00 Pagano, Patrick <patrick.pagano@uconn.edumailto:patrick.pagano@uconn.edu>:
Since we are chatting about externals and updates
I have a question about unauthorized, i would love to use some of those externals on linux32 but they always fail with reference to libspeex.so.* and it's in the folder, i symlinked it and everything to no avail. I assume Sevvy is long gone? I have not seen any of hist posts since the whole license war thing bt some of those externals [spigot~] [cooled~] scratcher~ etc... were fun.
Anyone have an idea how i might get those to work and if they do not work should we remove them finally?
Well, this is now just another unsupported/abandoned library from old Extended, as the vast majority of those libraries are. So I say you shouldn't expect much news from it. Maybe you could giver it a shot?
I don't know what you mean about "removing" them... like, from where? Pd Extended is no more, so it doesn't make sense to talk about removing from there. So, removing from deken? If some do not work in linux, you can't expect all versions to go away just because of that... what can you do? Just leave it there I guess.
Now, Purr Data still has these, as inherited from Pd Extended. I doubt jonathan is willing to support these, so maybe your question about "removing" it makes sense in this context...
And I also think spigot~ is quite simple and useless... there are more powerful objects elsewhere, such as selector~ from the newest cyclone.
cheers
2017-06-23 20:58 GMT-03:00 Pagano, Patrick patrick.pagano@uconn.edu:
I am just trying to re-create the functionality of pd-extended in Vanilla and things are gong very well
Yeah, that's bound to happen when libraries get abandoned, the only way out, as I see it, is if there's a community effort to collaborate and fix things for Purr Data, so we can have backwards compatibility to good old extended.
please, lets move Tom out of this loop :)
my bad!
2017-06-23 21:03 GMT-03:00 Alexandre Torres Porres porres@gmail.com:
2017-06-23 20:58 GMT-03:00 Pagano, Patrick patrick.pagano@uconn.edu:
I am just trying to re-create the functionality of pd-extended in Vanilla and things are gong very well
Yeah, that's bound to happen when libraries get abandoned, the only way out, as I see it, is if there's a community effort to collaborate and fix things for Purr Data, so we can have backwards compatibility to good old extended.
Pagano, Patrick wrote:
i understand that but besides grid and sometimes playlist they don;t work and i wish they did. I tested the l2ork libraries for linux32 and the objects don;t work and complain about libspeex.so.1 whcih i tried symlinking etc. to no avail.
I am just trying to re-create the functionality of pd-extended in Vanilla and things are gong very well
hi, patrick !
the problem with "unauthorized" (as far as i understand) is that it's relying on Tcl scripts that are likely not working with newer versions anymore. 15 years back i used to try them too, but i always thought, that most of them were missing the final touch to really be useful.
i.e.: "cooled~" or "pianoroll" sounded promising but in the end were too clumsy to use, so i didn't stick with them. (i only used "grid" and "playlist", too btw.)
and considering a rework or further development: those externals were already abandoned back then (the original author yves degoyon, as far as i remember, had some sort of disagreement with the PD-list or the licencing - don't recall exactly ...)
obviously we both have a similar agenda: recreating useful GUI objects, that work "as vanilla as possible" with the newsest PD version
as i already wrote i'm about to finish my personal GUI collection, meant to be available publicly when it's tested and documented. if you are interested, i could send you some of them just as they are right now (= unfinished) - although that might get more confusing than useful.
anyway: right now i'm working on the following stuff, that's "unauthorized" related:
GRID also check out IEMGUI's [iem_event], and [touch] from this link: http://www.droidparty.net/
CELLBLOCK (like Max's [cellblock] with a "browser" function that should be able to replace "unauthorized"'s [playlist])
WAVEFORM (would substitute [cooled~])
=========================================================================
as others already wrote, stuff like [compressor~] or [spigot~] really don't need to get resurrected as they can get easily made with vanilla-only objects.
so, just to ask, what other objects of "unauthorized" would you consider useful, so some days of patching would serve the comunity ?
best
oliver
grid and playlist should definitely be rewritten, perhaps from scratch. I mean, they are both very useful GUIs, perhaps a new code from scratch with a different name? I wouldn't consider a vanilla GUI, based on data structures, the best solution for replacing this.
cheers
2017-06-24 7:34 GMT-03:00 oliver oliver@klingt.org:
Pagano, Patrick wrote:
i understand that but besides grid and sometimes playlist they don;t work and i wish they did. I tested the l2ork libraries for linux32 and the objects don;t work and complain about libspeex.so.1 whcih i tried symlinking etc. to no avail.
I am just trying to re-create the functionality of pd-extended in Vanilla and things are gong very well
hi, patrick !
the problem with "unauthorized" (as far as i understand) is that it's relying on Tcl scripts that are likely not working with newer versions anymore. 15 years back i used to try them too, but i always thought, that most of them were missing the final touch to really be useful.
i.e.: "cooled~" or "pianoroll" sounded promising but in the end were too clumsy to use, so i didn't stick with them. (i only used "grid" and "playlist", too btw.)
and considering a rework or further development: those externals were already abandoned back then (the original author yves degoyon, as far as i remember, had some sort of disagreement with the PD-list or the licencing - don't recall exactly ...)
obviously we both have a similar agenda: recreating useful GUI objects, that work "as vanilla as possible" with the newsest PD version
as i already wrote i'm about to finish my personal GUI collection, meant to be available publicly when it's tested and documented. if you are interested, i could send you some of them just as they are right now (= unfinished) - although that might get more confusing than useful.
anyway: right now i'm working on the following stuff, that's "unauthorized" related:
GRID also check out IEMGUI's [iem_event], and [touch] from this link: http://www.droidparty.net/
CELLBLOCK (like Max's [cellblock] with a "browser" function that should be able to replace "unauthorized"'s [playlist])
WAVEFORM (would substitute [cooled~])
=========================================================================
as others already wrote, stuff like [compressor~] or [spigot~] really don't need to get resurrected as they can get easily made with vanilla-only objects.
so, just to ask, what other objects of "unauthorized" would you consider useful, so some days of patching would serve the comunity ?
best
oliver
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