Pd-list September 2006

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Remove DoubleClick=Rightclick on Mac?
by Luke Iannini (pd) 26 Sep '06

26 Sep '06

I don't see the point of this feature; Control-Click is quite standardized across OS X applications (and works quite happily in Pd as well). Considering that anyone using Pd probably has a 2 button mouse (or has learned to control click), this is basically just a huge PITA. The example that finally brought me here was changing arguments to 64 instances of an abstraction in a patch I'm working on: one click selects the entire text of an object box, and another should place the cursor - oh, that's unless you click too fast, in which case you get a @#$% contextual menu. Ok, I'm going to go have a beer : ). I'd love to learn that this was a simple mistake on my part! Thanks, Luke

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Re: [PD] OSX Gui problems
by Libero Mureddu 26 Sep '06

26 Sep '06

> > Message: 7 > Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 14:42:47 +0100 (BST) > From: Ed Kelly <morph_2016(a)yahoo.co.uk> > Subject: [PD] OSX Gui problems > To: PD List <pd-list(a)iem.at> > Message-ID: <20060919134247.95465.qmail(a)web26310.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hi all, > > I've been making a patch which is gui-heavy, that runs quite well on Linux. The problem is it has been made for somebody who wants it to work on a 1.5GHz Mac Powerbook with OSX.3. Now, the GUI is slow and unresponsive at the moment, and renice-ing the GUI has little effect. The GUI elements are unresponsive regardless of whether the dsp is on or off. It has over 240 GUI objects. > > Having checked out the list I see that Tk/Aqua has a reputation for sluggish GUI performance. Is there a version of Tcl/Tk I can use that is better on OSX? And if so, how do I create the Pd-0.39-2.app folder that Miller distributes? I need to be making the whole thing (Pd, the patch and the externals used) as one file, so the people I work for can download it, unzip it and run it. > > Best, > Ed Hi Ed , I'm working on a version of Pd that uses Tcl/Tk 8.5 alpha, that should solve many of those problems. Until now I'm working trying to recompile Pd with this version of Tcl/tk. If you want to join the effort, you are welcome! You can find a version of Tcl/tk already compiled for mac at: http://homepage.mac.com/tigital If you check the archives, you'll find that Tigital did already some work in this direction. For example, check: http://lists.puredata.info/pipermail/pd-list/2003-11/015649.html I think you have to recompile, putting all the externals that you need, provide a preference file in order to be sure that the libraries are loaded (as in the pd-extended version for mac by Hans-Cristoph Steiner), and put all together on a .dmg disk image that you can also compress. (See on the mac /Application/Utilities/Disk Utility, if I remember correctly!) Libero

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Re: RE: [PD] midi synch strategy
by martin.peach＠sympatico.ca 26 Sep '06

26 Sep '06

> > De: patco <megalegoland(a)yahoo.fr> > Date: 2006/09/25 lun. PM 03:31:21 GMT-04:00 > À: martin.peach(a)sympatico.ca, pd-list(a)iem.at > Objet: Re: RE: [PD] midi synch strategy > > > > martin.peach(a)sympatico.ca a écrit : > It does receive something, it just outputs zeros. > Martin > > > I guess that sending these numbers in message boxes is not the way how midiout works, Yes it is how it works. [midirealtimein] only responds to numbers greater than 248 when I send them through [midiout] one at a time. 248 is MIDI Clock. The MIDI spec says that the slave has to count clocks at a rate of 24 per quarternote. I guess [midirealtimein] should bang a counter. It doesn't handle the count itself. > is it possible to know what kind of message this object is expecting? [midiout] should pass any midi message but you have to send the right number of bytes (3 for noteon, 1 for clock, etc.) or it will hang. Martin > > > --------------------------------- > Découvrez un nouveau moyen de poser toutes vos questions quelque soit le sujet ! Yahoo! Questions/Réponses pour partager vos connaissances, vos opinions et vos expériences. Cliquez ici. > _______________________________________________ PD-list(a)iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list

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Re: RE: [PD] midi synch strategy
by martin.peach＠sympatico.ca 25 Sep '06

25 Sep '06

> > De: patco <megalegoland(a)yahoo.fr> > Date: 2006/09/25 lun. PM 12:25:44 GMT-04:00 > À: pd-list(a)iem.at > Objet: RE: [PD] midi synch strategy > > Hello, at least we can use [midirealtimein] for receiving midi clock messages, > from any host with using virtual midi into pure data even under windows. > The first outlet outputs the midiclock message (250, 248, 252), > and the second one outputs the beat value. That's weird, for me both outputs are always 0 on winXP pd-0.39-2. [248( | [midiout] ... MIDI cable ... [midirealtimein] | | [0\ [0\ > > [midiout] doesn't work indeed with both winXP and linux using pd-0.39-2 It works for me on winXP. Martin _______________________________________________ PD-list(a)iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list

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Re: RE: [PD] midi synch strategy
by martin.peach＠sympatico.ca 25 Sep '06

25 Sep '06

> > De: patco <megalegoland(a)yahoo.fr> > Date: 2006/09/25 lun. PM 02:36:57 GMT-04:00 > À: martin.peach(a)sympatico.ca, pd-list(a)iem.at > Objet: Re: RE: [PD] midi synch strategy > > > > > [midiout] doesn't work indeed with both winXP and linux using pd-0.39-2 > > It works for me on winXP. > > Martin > > > Apparently [midiout] doesn't work in winXP for you too, > because [midirealtimein] doesn't receive anything, It does receive something, it just outputs zeros. Martin > while it receive something when a MTC of midiclock is sent from another source.

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Re: RE: [PD] midi synch strategy
by martin.peach＠sympatico.ca 25 Sep '06

25 Sep '06

> > De: patco <megalegoland(a)yahoo.fr> > Date: 2006/09/25 lun. PM 01:29:18 GMT-04:00 > À: martin.peach(a)sympatico.ca, pd-list(a)iem.at > Objet: RE: [PD] midi synch strategy > > Oh! > how did you try [midirealtimein]? >From one WinXp running pd-0.39-2 to a Win98 machine also running pd-0.39-2. Either direction [midirealtimein] always outputs 0 on both outlets. I guess I haven't started pd's beat counter (wherever that might be?) Martin > from ableton live and using midiyoke > or mappledriver > I get the midi clock numbers and even the pattern's beat numbers, let me try with cubaseSX... > with sending a midiclock. > I've got 252 and 0 with start, 242 and 2 with stop, 248 and 0 along the sequence. > 242 and 2 comes when I move the cubase's cursor position > The second outlet seems to be related to midi port. > > with sending a timecode: > I've got 240 and 2 when I move the cubase's position' cursor, > 241 and 2 when sequence is started > > martin.peach(a)sympatico.ca a écrit : > > > > De: patco > > Date: 2006/09/25 lun. PM 12:25:44 GMT-04:00 > > À: pd-list(a)iem.at > > Objet: RE: [PD] midi synch strategy > > > > Hello, at least we can use [midirealtimein] for receiving midi clock messages, > > from any host with using virtual midi into pure data even under windows. > > The first outlet outputs the midiclock message (250, 248, 252), > > and the second one outputs the beat value. > > That's weird, for me both outputs are always 0 on winXP pd-0.39-2. > > [248( > | > [midiout] > ... > MIDI cable > ... > [midirealtimein] > | | > [0\ [0\ > > > > > > > > [midiout] doesn't work indeed with both winXP and linux using pd-0.39-2 > > It works for me on winXP. > > Martin > > _______________________________________________ > PD-list(a)iem.at mailing list > UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list > > > > > --------------------------------- > Découvrez un nouveau moyen de poser toutes vos questions quelque soit le sujet ! Yahoo! Questions/Réponses pour partager vos connaissances, vos opinions et vos expériences. Cliquez ici. >

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Re: Re: [PD] midi synch strategy
by martin.peach＠sympatico.ca 25 Sep '06

25 Sep '06

> > De: "David Powers" <cyborgk(a)gmail.com> > Date: 2006/09/25 lun. PM 01:42:10 GMT-04:00 > À: pd-list(a)iem.at > Objet: Re: [PD] midi synch strategy > > Maybe a stupid question, but where did [midirealtimein] come from? I > never even heard of it before. > > Not to mention, the help files for MIDI stuff are all broken in my PD > anyway, on windows, so I didn't know about using [midiout] in the way > mentioned above, either. But I will certainly try it and report back > how it works. midirealtimein and midiclk are not in the help file. I found them by scanning the source code in x_midi.c Martin

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RE: [PD] midi synch strategy
by patco 25 Sep '06

25 Sep '06

Hello, at least we can use [midirealtimein] for receiving midi clock messages, from any host with using virtual midi into pure data even under windows. The first outlet outputs the midiclock message (250, 248, 252), and the second one outputs the beat value. [midiout] doesn't work indeed with both winXP and linux using pd-0.39-2 --------------------------------- DÃ©couvrez un nouveau moyen de poser toutes vos questions quelque soit le sujet ! Yahoo! Questions/RÃ©ponses pour partager vos connaissances, vos opinions et vos expÃ©riences. Cliquez ici.

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Re: R: RE : [PD] midi synch strategy
by martin.peach＠sympatico.ca 25 Sep '06

25 Sep '06

> > De: "Davide Morelli" <info(a)davidemorelli.it> > Date: 2006/09/25 lun. AM 09:43:27 GMT-04:00 > À: "'hard off'" <hard.off(a)gmail.com>, > <megalegoland(a)yahoo.fr> > Cc: pd-list(a)iem.at > Objet: R: RE : [PD] midi synch strategy > > > here is what I'm trying to do without success: > > |250( > | > [midiout] > > but the second software doesn't receive any start message and > > [metro] > | > |248( > | > [midiout] > > but it doesn't receive any MIDI Clock message.. > > is this the correct way to use midiout ? > I think so. It works for me on pd 0.39_2 WinXP. I can see the LEDs blinking on both the output and the input. Unfortunately [midiin] and [midiclkin] don't receive them. But check this: [midirealtimein] will output a zero every time it receives a value between 248 and 255. > It really looks like midiout doesn't do anything: i tried connecting pd to > itself (using jack) and midiin doesn't report anything.. It's midiin that doesn't handle them. It should handle notes and control messages properly though. Martin

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Re: PD releases for beginners
by michael noble 25 Sep '06

25 Sep '06

Thanks all for the advice. I'll check out these options...

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