Pd-list January 2004

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Re: [PD] ubumenu
by doktorp 25 Mar '04

25 Mar '04

thats a pretty phat answer! wow. heh. forget anything that is useful that might make the project more friendly, usable and easier to get into. oh wait, sorry,I guess we all are supposed to be elitist. heh. brilliant. anyone have an actual answer or what? -dok On Nov 1, 2003, at 6:34 AM, miso soup wrote: > forget max > > On Saturday, November 1, 2003, at 05:53 AM, doktorp wrote: > >> Any exernal, or plan to implement the famous ubumenu from max? >> >> any alternatives? >> >> thanks! >> >> -dok >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PD-list mailing list >> PD-list(a)iem.at >> http://iem.at/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pd-list >> >

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source for GEM on OSX
by Enrique Franco 25 Mar '04

25 Mar '04

Hi, Where can a get the source code for GEM objects for OSX? Thanks, E. -- Tel: +353-61-202798 Fax: +353-61-202734 Room CS2-036, Interaction Design Centre CSIS Building University of Limerick Limerick Ireland http://www.idc.ul.ie http://www.iua.upf.es/~ffranco

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GEM Newbie questions on interface, reaction time, stability
by Andreas Niemand 25 Mar '04

25 Mar '04

Hi ! I am very new to PD, not everything is quite clear in the whole thing to me, also some errors occur in using it. I am using macosx 10.2.8 on a ibook 700 (G3) and tcl/TK 8.4 ( i think it's 8.4.1.). My version of pd is 0.37. Sometimes pd/gem quits unexpected while performing via "bus error" or interface problems ( i don't remember the exact shell-output). Why ? How many times can the same movie of pix_film be connected to different geometrical objects? How many movies in general can be handled simultaneous in a setup? It seems that the tcl/tk-interface is reacting slower and slower over time using it (creating a window, clicking some sliders, destroying it. creating it again... etc)? how does the different things belong together ? pd : the main language gem: the graphic extension to pd pdp ? pidip ? zexy ? freeframe ? paradiddle: an graphical extension to pd is that right ? who does the questionmarked things fit in ? How are the dependencies? Einen wunderschoenen Tag wuenscht Andreas http://www.ein-schoener-tag.de - Dinge des Alt-Tags.

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(Facts Please !) a mac or pc with Linux for PD
by Jean Jacques 25 Mar '04

25 Mar '04

Hello, i do not want to unleash a sterile discussion about mac anc pc ! I just would like to know what king of hardware should i buy to install Linux on a laptop and run PD ? In terms of performance/price what should i buy a mac or pc ? Ciao, Jean Jacques http://tecfa.unige.ch/perso/staf/duclaux/blog/

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nForce chipset
by Malte Steiner 25 Mar '04

25 Mar '04

Hello, beside me is a box from Shuttle with a nForce chipset. It features somehow 5.1 sound and I wounder if its possible to use these channel as actual ones from PD, either under Linux or WinXP. So far I can only use 2 channels with PD. Anyway, this barebonesystem seems a decent solution for media exhibitions, the SN41G2 features apart from the soundcard a ready installed graphic system with 2 vga outputs, one of them also as TV/Video out. I managed so far running two instances of PD and GEM on 2 monitors although only one seems to be hardware accelareted. Later I try to have GEM and Framestein running, maybe GEM takes OpenGL hardware and Framestein direct x, if anyone interested I can report. I am not related to these companys and get nothing for the praise but maybe it can be changed :). This system is rather cheap, has small footprint and looks beautiful, sort of Apple Cube ripoff in aluminium. I evalute with WinXP so far, a Mandrakeinstallation failed a bit, refusing to use the onboard LAN. Right now I am downloading the Knoppix CD to give it a further try. My goal is to have a decent rig of machines for an upcomming exhibition. But as a 'private' artist, budget is a concern. I would like to have some Apple computers around me but they are still to expensive. I considerd buying some stuff on ebay but prices even for older G3 boxes went close or higher as the new silver box beside me. Apple seems to be pretty solid investment. Besides that the midsize tower formfactor is of course big and so expensive to ship to a remote gallery. In my personal dreamland Apple Cubes where a big success, wide spread and you can get them used for 50 bucks. I see I start babbling :) So I stop that and wish a nice weekend. Malte -- Malte Steiner media art + development -www.block4.com- next events Elektronengehirn: 13.October - ... exhibition netart Javamuseum.org online, germanfeature 24.November - ... netart slowtime http://www.le-musee-divisioniste.org/mediacentre/ Das Kombinat: 27.December Video presentation Ausklangfestival Hoerbar Hamburg, Germany

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midi clock for pd on NT?
by e skogen 14 Mar '04

14 Mar '04

hi kids, i'm running pd on windows XP and i'd like to get midi clock in. does anyone have an example patch for the midirealtimein or midiclkin objects? do these work? is there any hope for a midiin for windows? thanks, --eric ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $8.99/mo! ------

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Audio I/O stuck with both ALSA and Jack
by Melissa Corso 06 Feb '04

06 Feb '04

Hello everyone, I am still trying to use PD with the HDSP 9632 audio card in linux. Everytime I started PD with the card in linux it would not open. I kept getting an audio I/O stuck message when trying to start PD in linux. As suggested I tried it with ALSA and jack with the commands: pd -alsa pd-jack The error read as follows: using non-interleaved audio input Sample width set to 4 bytes ALSA: set input channels to 4 snd_pcm_hw_params_set_access (output): Invalid argument using non-interleaved audio alsa: set output channels to 4 audio I/O stuck... closing audio The alsa drivers seem to be loaded correctly during the boot. When given the command: alsasound.start I get a message that the drivers are loaded. [lspmc@d68h203 lspmc]$ /etc/rc.d/init.d/alsasound start ALSA driver already running Sound driver snd-hdsp is already loaded I also tried to open both in KDE and the Arts sound server is disabled or unchecked. I am not sure what should be checked in the gnome session equivalent to that of the arts sound. At this point I do not know what else I should check. I also removed `loaded drivers: [lspmc@d68h203 lspmc]$ pd -oss pd: exiting pd: exiting [lspmc@d68h203 lspmc]$ /sbin/lsmod Module Size Used by Not tainted snd-hdsp 48076 0 snd-pcm 87264 0 [snd-hdsp] snd-page-alloc 9876 0 [snd-hdsp snd-pcm] snd-hwdep 7104 0 [snd-hdsp] i810_audio 29048 0 ac97_codec 17224 0 [i810_audio] i830 74816 1 agpgart 56836 11 (autoclean) parport_pc 19172 1 (autoclean) lp 9060 0 (autoclean) parport 37792 1 (autoclean) [parport_pc lp] snd-seq-midi 5280 0 (unused) snd-seq-midi-event 6272 0 [snd-seq-midi] snd-seq 49456 0 [snd-seq-midi snd-seq-midi-event] snd-rawmidi 19424 0 [snd-hdsp snd-seq-midi] snd-seq-device 6204 0 [snd-seq-midi snd-seq snd-rawmidi] snd-timer 20772 0 [snd-pcm snd-seq] snd 46980 0 [snd-hdsp snd-pcm snd-hwdep snd-seq-midi snd-seq-midi-event snd-seq snd-rawmidi snd-seq-device snd-timer] soundcore 6660 6 [i810_audio snd] autofs 13652 0 (autoclean) (unused) e100 58020 1 ipt_REJECT 4344 6 (autoclean) iptable_filter 2444 1 (autoclean) ip_tables 15808 2 [ipt_REJECT iptable_filter] sg 37804 0 (autoclean) sr_mod 18168 0 (autoclean) ide-scsi 12240 0 scsi_mod 109716 3 [sg sr_mod ide-scsi] ide-cd 36128 0 cdrom 34048 0 [sr_mod ide-cd] nls_iso8859-1 3516 1 (autoclean) nls_cp437 5148 1 (autoclean) vfat 13132 1 (autoclean) fat 39704 0 (autoclean) [vfat] keybdev 2976 0 (unused) mousedev 5620 1 hid 24708 0 (unused) input 5856 0 [keybdev mousedev hid] usb-uhci 27372 0 (unused) ehci-hcd 20808 0 (unused) usbcore 81152 1 [hid usb-uhci ehci-hcd] ext3 73444 2 jbd 54228 2 [ext3] Any help would be appreciated. ____________________________________________________________ Get advanced SPAM filtering on Webmail or POP Mail ... Get Lycos Mail! http://login.mail.lycos.com/r/referral?aid=27005

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announce: env-gen
by Orm Finnendahl 03 Feb '04

03 Feb '04

Hi, I just put up an abstraction for polyphonic scheduling of breakpoint envelopes here: http://icem-www.folkwang-hochschule.de/~finnendahl/pd.html Bare with me if this already exists, I haven't followed the list lately (I'd like to hear if something like that already exists, maybe in a better form). Bug reports are welcome. >From the download page: "env-gen is a pd abstraction that schedules the breakpoints of envelopes triggered by events (lists) containing functiontable, timescale and overall amplitude sent to its inlet. Envelopes are stored as arbitrary length breakpoint lists (similar to ftables in csound for example). The scheduler assigns voices to these "breakpoint envelope generators" and the object sends out lists containing voicenumber, target value and deltatime at the appropriate times. In order to get the interpolation done between these breakpoints you can use line or line~ objects. An example patch is included. The "maphash" object, "glue" and "niagara" of the zexy library are needed for the abstraction to work." -- Orm

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earning a living coding Pd
by Hans-Christoph Steiner 03 Feb '04

03 Feb '04

Ok, so the last thing I wanted to do was start a flame war, and I am sorry to say that I fanned the flames a bit myself (apologies to Olaf). But there is a common thread and that is that many of us would love to make a living working on Pd. But what I think would be very productive is an honest discussion about how we could do this. There are two basic ideas: commericializition and strange, newfangled free software methods. There are two ways I see of commercializing Pd: making a proprietary program based on the BSD codebase; or selling free software like RedHat, SuSe, IBM, etc. do. Personally, I do not think that the proprietary path would work with Pd for a number of reasons: its a crowded market space and most of the cheap development gains from it being free software would be lost (AFAIK, most of the code besides Miller's is GPL'ed). But I do see some promise in the RedHat-style packaging and selling of free software. But either way, it would probably take a lot of capital to get going, and that is the tough part: we are basically all broke musicians/artists/etc. Then there are the newfangled free software methods: donations and bounties for specific projects. There are examples of both of these working. Donations seem to be flowing more for art/music projects (ie. the online movie example I gave earlier) and project bounties have a decently long track record, starting with the FSF being contracted by a number of CPU makers to port gcc their CPU. Or you could go further back, to the pre-commercial software days, ie before Microsoft, Apple, etc., when this was the standard way that software was written. (Unfortunately the U.S. military was doing the majority of the paying back then). http://www.sourcesupport.org looks like a well thought out model. None of these are guaranteed to work and they all have pitfalls. It seems to me that the project bounties idea has the lowest cost of entry, in terms of capital, hours of time needed to set it up, and time devoted to organizing a fair method of disbursing the money. Also, there could be all of these things going on at the same time, there is no reason why that couldn't happen. .hc ________________________________________________________________________ ____ There is no way to peace, peace is the way. -A.J. Muste

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flashserver error message
by retu arana 02 Feb '04

02 Feb '04

hi all, okay i have a problem compiling flashserver on a 10.3 osx, terminal returns me the following message: retuarana$ make pd_darwin cc -DPD -DUNIX -O2 -DMACOSX -Wall -W -Wshadow -Wstrict-prototypes -Wno-unused -Wno-parentheses -Wno-switch -I../../src -o flashserver.o -c flashserver.c In file included from flashserver.c:17: m_imp.h:54: error: redefinition of `struct _namelist' m_imp.h:57: error: redefinition of `t_namelist' s_stuff.h:15: error: `t_namelist' previously declared here In file included from flashserver.c:17: m_imp.h:93:1: warning: "API_OSS" redefined In file included from flashserver.c:16: s_stuff.h:129:1: warning: this is the location of the previous definition m_imp.h:123: error: conflicting types for `sys_open_audio' s_stuff.h:57: error: previous declaration of `sys_open_audio' m_imp.h:193: error: redefinition of `t_socketnotifier' s_stuff.h:111: error: `t_socketnotifier' previously declared here m_imp.h:194: error: redefinition of `t_socketreceivefn' s_stuff.h:112: error: `t_socketreceivefn' previously declared here m_imp.h:202: error: redefinition of `t_fdpollfn' s_stuff.h:120: error: `t_fdpollfn' previously declared here make: *** [flashserver.pd_darwin] Error 1 and then i don't know what to do, someone please help me. have a nice WE.

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Pd-list January 2004