Hello,
beside me is a box from Shuttle with a nForce chipset. It features somehow 5.1 sound and I wounder if its possible to use these channel as actual ones from PD, either under Linux or WinXP. So far I can only use 2 channels with PD.
Anyway, this barebonesystem seems a decent solution for media exhibitions, the SN41G2 features apart from the soundcard a ready installed graphic system with 2 vga outputs, one of them also as TV/Video out. I managed so far running two instances of PD and GEM on 2 monitors although only one seems to be hardware accelareted. Later I try to have GEM and Framestein running, maybe GEM takes OpenGL hardware and Framestein direct x, if anyone interested I can report. I am not related to these companys and get nothing for the praise but maybe it can be changed :). This system is rather cheap, has small footprint and looks beautiful, sort of Apple Cube ripoff in aluminium. I evalute with WinXP so far, a Mandrakeinstallation failed a bit, refusing to use the onboard LAN. Right now I am downloading the Knoppix CD to give it a further try.
My goal is to have a decent rig of machines for an upcomming exhibition. But as a 'private' artist, budget is a concern. I would like to have some Apple computers around me but they are still to expensive. I considerd buying some stuff on ebay but prices even for older G3 boxes went close or higher as the new silver box beside me. Apple seems to be pretty solid investment. Besides that the midsize tower formfactor is of course big and so expensive to ship to a remote gallery. In my personal dreamland Apple Cubes where a big success, wide spread and you can get them used for 50 bucks.
I see I start babbling :) So I stop that and wish a nice weekend.
Malte
Hi,
I have a machine with an nforce chipset that I installed RedHat onto and I had to download and install the drivers for the onboard nic from the nvidia website. This is probably the reason it didn't work under your Mandrake install. After installing the driver everything was fine.
Pall
----- Original Message ----- From: "Malte Steiner" steiner@block4.com To: pd-list@iem.at Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 12:20 PM Subject: [PD] nForce chipset
Hello,
beside me is a box from Shuttle with a nForce chipset. It features somehow 5.1 sound and I wounder if its possible to use these channel as actual ones from PD, either under Linux or WinXP. So far I can only use 2 channels with PD.
Anyway, this barebonesystem seems a decent solution for media exhibitions, the SN41G2 features apart from the soundcard a ready installed graphic system with 2 vga outputs, one of them also as TV/Video out. I managed so far running two instances of PD and GEM on 2 monitors although only one seems to be hardware accelareted. Later I try to have GEM and Framestein running, maybe GEM takes OpenGL hardware and Framestein direct x, if anyone interested I can report. I am not related to these companys and get nothing for the praise but maybe it can be changed :). This system is rather cheap, has small footprint and looks beautiful, sort of Apple Cube ripoff in aluminium. I evalute with WinXP so far, a Mandrakeinstallation failed a bit, refusing to use the onboard LAN. Right now I am downloading the Knoppix CD to give it a further try.
My goal is to have a decent rig of machines for an upcomming exhibition. But as a 'private' artist, budget is a concern. I would like to have some Apple computers around me but they are still to expensive. I considerd buying some stuff on ebay but prices even for older G3 boxes went close or higher as the new silver box beside me. Apple seems to be pretty solid investment. Besides that the midsize tower formfactor is of course big and so expensive to ship to a remote gallery. In my personal dreamland Apple Cubes where a big success, wide spread and you can get them used for 50 bucks.
I see I start babbling :) So I stop that and wish a nice weekend.
Malte
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Hi,
Malte Steiner wrote:
beside me is a box from Shuttle with a nForce chipset.
I think Marrtin Pi uses a Shuttle for his performances and installations, running Linux and PDP. You might ask him....
My goal is to have a decent rig of machines for an upcomming exhibition. But as a 'private' artist, budget is a concern.
Have you considered a LinuXBox? EUR 200 average price, cheaper used, small size, 733 MHz, lots of USB for soundcards, NVidea GForce chip, running Linux, PD, PDP, Gem... what more do you need? I have been told that newer releases of XBox are "unhackable"... but they have said that before. See:
http://iem.kug.ac.at/mailinglists/pd-list/2003-02/001884.html http://allserv.ugent.be/~jtaelman/articles/xbox/index.html http://xbox-linux.sourceforge.net/
best, D.
hi,
beside me is a box from Shuttle with a nForce chipset.
I think Marrtin Pi uses a Shuttle for his performances and installations, running Linux and PDP. You might ask him....
yes i do - but mine came with a horrible savage pro video chip onboard so i put a gforce into the agp slot (why leave it empty anyway?).
but generally speaking i am really content with the shuttle: small, stable, cheap.
My goal is to have a decent rig of machines for an upcomming exhibition. But as a 'private' artist, budget is a concern.
well actually the shuttle is not really cheaper than a noname computer, since it's only a barebone and much stuff has to be bought to make a computer out of it. you could therefor also have a look at the MSI barebones wich are comparable yet sometimes cheaper (since some of them got no agp slot)..
good luck martin
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Just my two cents...
the "barebones" boxes such as Shuttle XPCs seem to go for about $300 for a recent model ($250 for obsolete chipsets). This is to be compared with buying a box and motherboard ala carte ($50 + $70; Pricewatch prices.) A very good machine in the U.S. should now cost you: case $50 mobo 70 CPU 85 memory 70 disk 60 CDRW 50 quiet CPU fan $20
$405
This does not include audio hardware (Midiman delta 44 is top-notch and costs 250), nor monitor, keyboard, & mouse...
You can build a machine that runs 10% faster than this, but it will cost 50% more!
cheers Miller
On Mon, Dec 15, 2003 at 10:43:30AM +0100, martin pi wrote:
hi,
beside me is a box from Shuttle with a nForce chipset.
I think Marrtin Pi uses a Shuttle for his performances and installations, running Linux and PDP. You might ask him....
yes i do - but mine came with a horrible savage pro video chip onboard so i put a gforce into the agp slot (why leave it empty anyway?).
but generally speaking i am really content with the shuttle: small, stable, cheap.
My goal is to have a decent rig of machines for an upcomming exhibition. But as a 'private' artist, budget is a concern.
well actually the shuttle is not really cheaper than a noname computer, since it's only a barebone and much stuff has to be bought to make a computer out of it. you could therefor also have a look at the MSI barebones wich are comparable yet sometimes cheaper (since some of them got no agp slot)..
good luck martin
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Would it be worthwhile to post some hardware recommendations for basic and advanced setups for running pd for audio and video?
cgc
Quoting Miller Puckette mpuckett@man104-1.ucsd.edu:
Just my two cents...
the "barebones" boxes such as Shuttle XPCs seem to go for about $300 for a recent model ($250 for obsolete chipsets). This is to be compared with buying a box and motherboard ala carte ($50 + $70; Pricewatch prices.) A very good machine in the U.S. should now cost you: case $50 mobo 70 CPU 85 memory 70 disk 60 CDRW 50 quiet CPU fan $20
$405
This does not include audio hardware (Midiman delta 44 is top-notch and costs 250), nor monitor, keyboard, & mouse...
You can build a machine that runs 10% faster than this, but it will cost 50% more!
cheers Miller
Hallo, Pall Thayer hat gesagt: // Pall Thayer wrote:
I have a machine with an nforce chipset that I installed RedHat onto and I had to download and install the drivers for the onboard nic from the nvidia website.
Are these still open source drivers?
ciao
Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org__
No, they're not open source and never have been. Covered by a very thorough license that states that you're not allowed to change anything.
Pall ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frank Barknecht" fbar@footils.org To: pd-list@iem.at Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 5:18 PM Subject: Re: [PD] nForce chipset
Hallo, Pall Thayer hat gesagt: // Pall Thayer wrote:
I have a machine with an nforce chipset that I installed RedHat onto and
I
had to download and install the drivers for the onboard nic from the
nvidia
website.
Are these still open source drivers?
ciao
Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org__
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Hallo, Pall Thayer hat gesagt: // Pall Thayer wrote:
No, they're not open source and never have been. Covered by a very thorough license that states that you're not allowed to change anything.
Too bad, but good to know, because now I can avoid nForce in advance. (Like I avoided Nvidia poducts in the past with pleasure.)
Thanks for that info.
ciao
Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org__
To tell the truth, had I known before, I probably would have avoided it as well.
Pall
----- Original Message ----- From: "Frank Barknecht" fbar@footils.org To: "Pall Thayer" palli@pallit.lhi.is Cc: pd-list@iem.at Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 5:45 PM Subject: Re: [PD] nForce chipset
Hallo, Pall Thayer hat gesagt: // Pall Thayer wrote:
No, they're not open source and never have been. Covered by a very
thorough
license that states that you're not allowed to change anything.
Too bad, but good to know, because now I can avoid nForce in advance. (Like I avoided Nvidia poducts in the past with pleasure.)
Thanks for that info.
ciao
Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org__
On Fri, Dec 12, 2003 at 01:20:08PM +0100, Malte Steiner wrote:
beside me is a box from Shuttle with a nForce chipset. It features somehow 5.1 sound and I wounder if its possible to use these channel as actual ones from PD, either under Linux or WinXP. So far I can only use 2 channels with PD.
"somehow 5.1 sound" is also called "Dolby Surround (R)". The nForce sound chipset has SPDIF in/out jacks for 5.1. Only pre-mastered 5.1 streams can be played via the SPDIF out jack to a proprietary decoder. Encoding is also proprietary.
So if you want multi-channel sound, you need a multi-channel card with good drivers and no restrictions on the software and formats.
-- Marc
"somehow 5.1 sound" is also called "Dolby Surround (R)". The nForce sound chipset has SPDIF in/out jacks for 5.1. Only pre-mastered 5.1 streams can be played via the SPDIF out jack to a proprietary decoder. Encoding is also proprietary.
maybe an idea for an external, 6 inputs, creating that stream and sending it to the card to let it disassemble and send it to the 6 outputs. 2 Cons: - might involve some patents of dolby labs and so costs a fee
- that stream typical is lossy encoded as AC3 so the musical data is
changed which is to avoid. I don't know if there is a layer above or below to speak direct to the card but I guess this stream is sent to a decoder chip and than direct to the dacs.
An xbox is a cool idea although I wanted to give as few as possible money to M$. But I will think about it...
Cheers,
Malte
On Fri, Dec 12, 2003 at 05:55:37PM +0100, Malte Steiner wrote:
maybe an idea for an external, 6 inputs, creating that stream and sending it to the card to let it disassemble and send it to the 6 outputs. 2 Cons: - might involve some patents of dolby labs and so costs a fee
Maybe Dolby would provide a binary only library, but it won't happen since they're asking a fee for each copy of software using their technology. Maybe it's possible to use a VST plugin for Dolby encoding and the vst~ external. But I would simply avoid Dolby's technology.
-- Marc
The Dolby Encoder in the nForce/XBox is based around a Parthus DSP core (similar to a Motorola 563XX DSP). Besides being proprietary, the encoder adds ~50 msec of latency to the signal, which may create a problem for real-time music applications. The analog outs on the XBox (under Linux) are supposed to have about 8 msec latency, so presumably the nForce is the same.
Are you unable to access the 6 outputs on the nForce boards as analog outs? Or is it just stereo analog, SPDIF digital?
Sean Costello
----- Original Message ----- From: "Marc Lavallée" odradek@videotron.ca To: "Malte Steiner" steiner@block4.com Cc: pd-list@iem.at Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 10:17 AM Subject: Re: [PD] nForce chipset
On Fri, Dec 12, 2003 at 05:55:37PM +0100, Malte Steiner wrote:
maybe an idea for an external, 6 inputs, creating that stream and sending it to the card to let it disassemble and send it to the 6 outputs. 2 Cons: - might involve some patents of dolby labs and so costs a fee
Maybe Dolby would provide a binary only library, but it won't happen since they're asking a fee for each copy of software using their technology. Maybe it's possible to use a VST plugin for Dolby encoding and the vst~ external. But I would simply avoid Dolby's technology.
-- Marc
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