hi list,
what is, in your experience, the best way to synchronize pd and an external software (like Ableton Live or Reason) using MIDI?
ciao, Davide.
Hello,
Davide Morelli info@davidemorelli.it a écrit :
hi list,
what is, in your experience, the best way to synchronize pd and an external software (like Ableton Live or Reason) using MIDI?
ciao, Davide.
Did you try to send sysex messages?
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hi patco, thank you for your answer.
How am I supposed to use sysex to synch? I only know the MTC quarter frame which is not a sysex message, but it isn't very easy to implement ( a lot of hex to dec, byte shifting stuff), it also won't send the bar marker (and i'm interested in being precise with bars)
I'm on linux, btw, but a multiplatform solution is always welcome.
ciao, davide. ----- Original Message ----- From: patco To: Davide Morelli ; pd-list@iem.at Sent: Monday, September 25, 2006 2:51 AM Subject: RE : [PD] midi synch strategy
Hello,
Davide Morelli info@davidemorelli.it a écrit :
hi list,
what is, in your experience, the best way to synchronize pd and an external
software (like Ableton Live or Reason) using MIDI?
ciao,
Davide.
Did you try to send sysex messages?
http://lists.puredata.info/pipermail/pd-list/2005-04/027340.html
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in my very brief experience,
i used pd as master
other softwares are good slaves
You can use a virtual midi chanel (like midi joke for example) and send (or receive) midi control messages which value increases from 1 to 64 or 1 to 128 evey 1/32 or 1/64 of the beat measure. I´ve used ableton live as a master and pd receiving [ctrlin x] (x for the control message that you know would not interfeer with your hardware setup). Then using he output of [ctrlin x] (that are increasing cyclic numbers) to whatever time porcess youre using.
i hope this helps
daniel
2006/9/25, hard off hard.off@gmail.com:
in my very brief experience,
i used pd as master
other softwares are good slaves
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I thought of using PD as a slave myself this morning ... but how might one do it the other way around? Can PD be master? Or is that impossible?
Unfortunately, sometimes I think the slogan "We've got to undo the MIDI revolution" to be a bit misguided. Instead of undoing, it might be better to have some Hegelian negation/overcoming towards a superior standard. OSC is of course, superior to MIDI, but many major softwares don't "get it" yet I'm afraid. So for many softwares, plus the obsolete instruments I'm sure many of us own, MIDI is the only option.
I've got great sounding stuff running now, where I'm using Ableton Live as a VST host / mixer, and PD is sending generative MIDI data through a virtual MIDI port. It sounds great and it's quite stable. I hate to admit that, for me, PD is working best as a MIDI processor/generator. My next step is to run Reaktor inside Ableton, using PD to send OSC messages - I'm hoping that the VST Reaktor will still get OSC, I never tried it.
Anyway, in my new "sequencer", I play in phrases on a keyboard, and PD generates new music by playing through a table that records the note, with an X% chance of skipping around in the table. I was originally using this approach for playing video files, and realized it might work just as well for melodies, and indeed it does.
I can either use the average velocities, rhythm, and note length values from my own performance, or set these things with sliders or my MIDI controller. Alternately, I can play soundfiles with [iddle~] to generate performance data. My rhythm generator uses probabilizer to generate rhythms like (1, 2, 1, 1, 3, 2, 1, 3, 2) and then processes the list so that it's more like (0.9, 2.1, 1.1, 0.9, 3.15, 2.03, 0.86, 3.17, 1.89) for example.
I have it set to run on 4 MIDI channels, and I tried it with orchestral type sound fonts, and started sending program changes y% of the time to each channel, with only 1-3 notes being played on a particular timbre. It sounds like Anton Webern on acid ... in a good way... I'll put up some example files soon.
I think I'm going to have to graduate to neural networks and AI soon if I keep following this direction of working.
~David
On 9/25/06, mami music mami.music@gmail.com wrote:
You can use a virtual midi chanel (like midi joke for example) and send (or receive) midi control messages which value increases from 1 to 64 or 1 to 128 evey 1/32 or 1/64 of the beat measure. I´ve used ableton live as a master and pd receiving [ctrlin x] (x for the control message that you know would not interfeer with your hardware setup). Then using he output of [ctrlin x] (that are increasing cyclic numbers) to whatever time porcess youre using.
i hope this helps
daniel
2006/9/25, hard off hard.off@gmail.com:
in my very brief experience,
i used pd as master
other softwares are good slaves
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here is what I'm trying to do without success:
|250( | [midiout]
but the second software doesn't receive any start message and
[metro] | |248( | [midiout]
but it doesn't receive any MIDI Clock message..
is this the correct way to use midiout ?
It really looks like midiout doesn't do anything: i tried connecting pd to itself (using jack) and midiin doesn't report anything..
ciao, davide.
-----Messaggio originale----- Da: pd-list-bounces@iem.at [mailto:pd-list-bounces@iem.at] Per conto di hard off Inviato: lunedì 25 settembre 2006 12.54 A: megalegoland@yahoo.fr Cc: pd-list@iem.at; Davide Morelli Oggetto: Re: RE : [PD] midi synch strategy
in my very brief experience,
i used pd as master
other softwares are good slaves
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