good!!! i'm free to do what i like now!!!
yeh!
sevy
Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
Ok, will do. I also have to remove pidip from Pd-extended based on this license.
.hc
On Nov 23, 2010, at 7:18 AM, ydegoyon@free.fr wrote:
jooo, que espeso ...
i told you 10000 times not to package my stuff, that i'm happy with the packages of goto10...
so [EOC]
ciao, sevy
Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
Hey Lluis and Yves,
I see that puredyne has packaged pidip, so it should be pretty easy to get it into Debian. The only problem is the license. If it was a straight BSD or GPL license, then it would be fine. The problem is this line:
NOT FOR MILITARY OR REPRESSIVE USE !!!
That isn't free according to the Debian Free Software Guidelines.
.hc
As we enjoy great advantages from inventions of others, we should be glad of an opportunity to serve others by any invention of ours; and this we should do freely and generously. - Benjamin Franklin
Programs should be written for people to read, and only incidentally for machines to execute.
- from Structure and Interpretation of Computer Programs
Yves:
It's your code so you get to choose. From my standpoint as an educator, removal of PiDiP from pd-extended is very unfortunate. I hope at some point you reconsider your position.
-John
On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 10:46 AM, ydegoyon@gmail.com ydegoyon@gmail.comwrote:
good!!! i'm free to do what i like now!!!
yeh!
sevy
Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
Ok, will do. I also have to remove pidip from Pd-extended based on this license.
.hc
On Nov 23, 2010, at 7:18 AM, ydegoyon@free.fr wrote:
jooo, que espeso ...
i told you 10000 times not to package my stuff, that i'm happy with the packages of goto10...
so [EOC]
ciao, sevy
Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
Hey Lluis and Yves,
I see that puredyne has packaged pidip, so it should be pretty easy to get it into Debian. The only problem is the license. If it was a straight BSD or GPL license, then it would be fine. The problem is this line:
NOT FOR MILITARY OR REPRESSIVE USE !!!
That isn't free according to the Debian Free Software Guidelines.
.hc
As we enjoy great advantages from inventions of others, we should be glad of an opportunity to serve others by any invention of ours; and this we should do freely and generously. - Benjamin Franklin
Programs should be written for people to read, and only incidentally for machines to execute.
- from Structure and Interpretation of Computer Programs
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removing pdp/pidip is a bad idea
On 11/23/2010 11:58 AM, John Harrison wrote:
Yves:
It's your code so you get to choose. From my standpoint as an educator, removal of PiDiP from pd-extended is very unfortunate. I hope at some point you reconsider your position.
-John
On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 10:46 AM, ydegoyon@gmail.com mailto:ydegoyon@gmail.com <ydegoyon@gmail.com mailto:ydegoyon@gmail.com> wrote:
good!!! i'm free to do what i like now!!! yeh! sevy Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: Ok, will do. I also have to remove pidip from Pd-extended based on this license. .hc On Nov 23, 2010, at 7:18 AM, ydegoyon@free.fr <mailto:ydegoyon@free.fr> wrote: jooo, que espeso ... i told you 10000 times not to package my stuff, that i'm happy with the packages of goto10... so [EOC] ciao, sevy Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: Hey Lluis and Yves, I see that puredyne has packaged pidip, so it should be pretty easy to get it into Debian. The only problem is the license. If it was a straight BSD or GPL license, then it would be fine. The problem is this line: NOT FOR MILITARY OR REPRESSIVE USE !!! That isn't free according to the Debian Free Software Guidelines. .hc ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- As we enjoy great advantages from inventions of others, we should be glad of an opportunity to serve others by any invention of ours; and this we should do freely and generously. - Benjamin Franklin ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Programs should be written for people to read, and only incidentally for machines to execute. - from Structure and Interpretation of Computer Programs _______________________________________________ Pd-list@iem.at <mailto:Pd-list@iem.at> mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
PDP has a regular GPL license, so its staying in.
.hc
On Nov 23, 2010, at 3:27 PM, Patrick Pagano wrote:
removing pdp/pidip is a bad idea
On 11/23/2010 11:58 AM, John Harrison wrote:
Yves:
It's your code so you get to choose. From my standpoint as an
educator, removal of PiDiP from pd-extended is very unfortunate. I
hope at some point you reconsider your position.-John
On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 10:46 AM, ydegoyon@gmail.com <ydegoyon@gmail.com
wrote:
good!!! i'm free to do what i like now!!!
yeh!
sevy
Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
Ok, will do. I also have to remove pidip from Pd-extended based on
this license..hc
On Nov 23, 2010, at 7:18 AM, ydegoyon@free.fr wrote:
jooo, que espeso ...
i told you 10000 times not to package my stuff, that i'm happy with the packages of goto10...
so [EOC]
ciao, sevy
Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
Hey Lluis and Yves,
I see that puredyne has packaged pidip, so it should be pretty easy
to get it into Debian. The only problem is the license. If it was a
straight BSD or GPL license, then it would be fine. The problem is
this line:NOT FOR MILITARY OR REPRESSIVE USE !!!
That isn't free according to the Debian Free Software Guidelines.
.hc
As we enjoy great advantages from inventions of others, we should
be glad of an opportunity to serve others by any invention of ours;
and this we should do freely and generously. - Benjamin Franklin
Programs should be written for people to read, and only
incidentally for machines to execute.
- from Structure and Interpretation of Computer Programs
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I have always wished for my computer to be as easy to use as my
telephone; my wish has come true because I can no longer figure out
how to use my telephone." --Bjarne Stroustrup (creator of C++)
thank you officer
you'll stay in too, you made your good job of tracking deviants, a song for you :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nULKw8s061E
ciao, sevy
Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
PDP has a regular GPL license, so its staying in.
.hc
On Nov 23, 2010, at 3:27 PM, Patrick Pagano wrote:
removing pdp/pidip is a bad idea
On 11/23/2010 11:58 AM, John Harrison wrote:
Yves:
It's your code so you get to choose. From my standpoint as an educator, removal of PiDiP from pd-extended is very unfortunate. I hope at some point you reconsider your position.
-John
On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 10:46 AM, ydegoyon@gmail.com mailto:ydegoyon@gmail.com <ydegoyon@gmail.com mailto:ydegoyon@gmail.com> wrote:
good!!! i'm free to do what i like now!!! yeh! sevy Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: Ok, will do. I also have to remove pidip from Pd-extended based on this license. .hc On Nov 23, 2010, at 7:18 AM, ydegoyon@free.fr <mailto:ydegoyon@free.fr> wrote: jooo, que espeso ... i told you 10000 times not to package my stuff, that i'm happy with the packages of goto10... so [EOC] ciao, sevy Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: Hey Lluis and Yves, I see that puredyne has packaged pidip, so it should be pretty easy to get it into Debian. The only problem is the license. If it was a straight BSD or GPL license, then it would be fine. The problem is this line: NOT FOR MILITARY OR REPRESSIVE USE !!! That isn't free according to the Debian Free Software Guidelines. .hc ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- As we enjoy great advantages from inventions of others, we should be glad of an opportunity to serve others by any invention of ours; and this we should do freely and generously. - Benjamin Franklin ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Programs should be written for people to read, and only incidentally for machines to execute. - from Structure and Interpretation of Computer Programs _______________________________________________ Pd-list@iem.at <mailto:Pd-list@iem.at> mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
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ola,
pidip and unauthorized are now published with a non-standard license that says :
@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
the code published here can be studied, modified, used by anyone that provides all the original credits and sources in derivative projects.
there are restrictions on its use, it cannot be used for :
- military amd/or repressive use
- commercial installations and products
- any project that promotes : racism, nationalism, xenophobia, sexism,
homophobia, religious hatred or missionarism .. ( expandable list)
this is not a standard license.
sevy.
@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
ciao, sevy
On Fri, 3 Dec 2010, ydegoyon@gmail.com wrote:
pidip and unauthorized are now published with a non-standard license that says : * any project that promotes : racism, nationalism, xenophobia, sexism, homophobia, religious hatred or missionarism .. ( expandable list)
«Nationalism» is a broad word : if one makes an artwork related to cultural self-determination, isn't it not what you had in mind at all, and yet, don't people use the same word to mean it ? Can you make the text more precise to reflect that fact ?
| Mathieu Bouchard ---- tél: +1.514.383.3801 ---- Villeray, Montréal, QC
From now on I refuse to allow my code to be used in anything that sucks.
D.
On 12/3/10 5:51 PM, Mathieu Bouchard wrote:
On Fri, 3 Dec 2010, ydegoyon@gmail.com wrote:
pidip and unauthorized are now published with a non-standard license that says : * any project that promotes : racism, nationalism, xenophobia, sexism, homophobia, religious hatred or missionarism .. ( expandable list)
«Nationalism» is a broad word : if one makes an artwork related to cultural self-determination, isn't it not what you had in mind at all, and yet, don't people use the same word to mean it ? Can you make the text more precise to reflect that fact ?
The processor running Pd must not be inside the vacuum cleaner, so we can still use his precious code :) as long as the processor blows its OK i guess...
On 4 December 2010 02:40, João Pais jmmmpais@googlemail.com wrote:
From now on I refuse to allow my code to be used in anything that sucks.
so you'll never try to control a vacuum cleaner with Pd...
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_____________or a sexually aroused gas mask.....
From: pd-list-bounces@iem.at [pd-list-bounces@iem.at] On Behalf Of João Pais [jmmmpais@googlemail.com] Sent: Friday, December 03, 2010 8:40 PM To: pd-list@iem.at; Derek Holzer Subject: Re: [PD] pd-pidip into Debian
From now on I refuse to allow my code to be used in anything that sucks.
so you'll never try to control a vacuum cleaner with Pd...
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On Fri, 3 Dec 2010, Derek Holzer wrote:
From now on I refuse to allow my code to be used in anything that sucks.
The licensee thereby agrees to not make fan videos of Kate Ryan or Avril Lavigne or Johnny Halliday, no matter how noncommercial you may be doing it.
| Mathieu Bouchard ---- tél: +1.514.383.3801 ---- Villeray, Montréal, QC
I don't get all this discussion... why not just stick with plain GPL?
That's why Google Code restricted the possible licenses to choose...
Well, I hope they are all joking. I believe SourceForge also only
allows code with free licenses, so code with such restrictions would
not be allowed on SourceForge. But I could be wrong there.
.hc
On Dec 4, 2010, at 10:56 AM, Bernardo Barros wrote:
I don't get all this discussion... why not just stick with plain GPL?
That's why Google Code restricted the possible licenses to choose...
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http://at.or.at/hans/
I read somewhere they used the Pd test-tone patch to torture inmates at Guantanamo Bay.
Doesn't that suck?
We certainly wouldn't want a license which allows that kind of thing to happen, would we?
D.
On 12/4/10 9:25 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
Well, I hope they are all joking. I believe SourceForge also only allows code with free licenses, so code with such restrictions would not be allowed on SourceForge. But I could be wrong there.
.hc
On Dec 4, 2010, at 10:56 AM, Bernardo Barros wrote:
I don't get all this discussion... why not just stick with plain GPL?
That's why Google Code restricted the possible licenses to choose...
On Sat, 4 Dec 2010, Bernardo Barros wrote:
I don't get all this discussion... why not just stick with plain GPL?
It's because GPL is for hippies, or something.
That's why Google Code restricted the possible licenses to choose...
What's why ? I don't follow. Do you really know why Google did it ? And then, is it relevant ?
| Mathieu Bouchard ---- tél: +1.514.383.3801 ---- Villeray, Montréal, QC
2010/12/4 Mathieu Bouchard matju@artengine.ca:
It's because GPL is for hippies, or something.
It's the other way around. BSD is hippier: Someone in Berkley smoked marijuana and said: "hey man, let's just give it away, who cares what people will do with it, let them turn this into proprietary or whatever".
I don't get this BSD fondness of the PD people....
Bernardo Barros wrote:
2010/12/4 Mathieu Bouchardmatju@artengine.ca:
It's because GPL is for hippies, or something.
It's the other way around. BSD is hippier: Someone in Berkley smoked marijuana and said: "hey man, let's just give it away, who cares what people will do with it, let them turn this into proprietary or whatever".
I don't get this BSD fondness of the PD people....
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you confuse marijuana with LSD if i can intervene, it was LSD license at that time, for a joke that makes sense
then you are all buried deeply in the same system that it's useless to talk, really
ciao, sevy
You'll also have to consider SourceForge's Terms of Use, which seem to
disallow software with licenses that do not fit into the Open Source
Definition.
(from http://sourceforge.net/apps/trac/sitelegal/wiki/What%20projects%20qualify%20...)
# The software involved must be licensed under an Open Source license.
(from http://sourceforge.net/apps/trac/sitelegal/wiki/Controversial%20project%20ho...) Notes on the application of the Open Source Definition ¶
The Open Source Definition requires that all Open Source licenses not
limit the ways or people that are permitted to use the software.
Though some developers of software may wish to prevent illegitimate
use, the following should be kept in mind:
* You can't restrict the way folks use your software, only make
recommendations. That is: You cannot say that your software will not
be used to commit a crime, or for military purposes; but you can
recommend against breaking laws or using the software for military
purposes, or the operaton of nuclear power facilities. No
discrimination against purpose of use.
* You can't restrict who can use your software: business,
military, individuals, individuals with past criminal record can all
use your software alike. No discrimination against people.
* You can't license your software to prohibit use by T7
countries, but you can include clauses to note the requirements placed
on the licensee by the US Government, and state that users should
abide by all applicable laws.
.hc
On Dec 3, 2010, at 11:16 AM, ydegoyon@gmail.com wrote:
ola,
pidip and unauthorized are now published with a non-standard license that says :
@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
the code published here can be studied, modified, used by anyone that provides all the original credits and sources in derivative projects.
there are restrictions on its use, it cannot be used for :
- military amd/or repressive use
- commercial installations and products
- any project that promotes : racism, nationalism, xenophobia, sexism,
homophobia, religious hatred or missionarism .. ( expandable list)
this is not a standard license.
sevy.
@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
ciao, sevy
I hate it when they say, "He gave his life for his country." Nobody
gives their life for anything. We steal the lives of these kids. -
Admiral Gene LeRocque
ola,
you're totally right that we should get out of sourceforge, that grants more rights to US citizens than to others.
we can find a domain in .fi, .de, .ch or .nl, if you know what i mean.
so yeh you can remove unauthorized and pidip from sourceforge.
ciao, sevy
pd _ and could you leave me in peace _forever_ ? thank you
Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
You'll also have to consider SourceForge's Terms of Use, which seem to disallow software with licenses that do not fit into the Open Source Definition.
(from http://sourceforge.net/apps/trac/sitelegal/wiki/What%20projects%20qualify%20...)
# The software involved must be licensed under an Open Source license.
(from http://sourceforge.net/apps/trac/sitelegal/wiki/Controversial%20project%20ho...)
Notes on the application of the Open Source Definition ¶
The Open Source Definition requires that all Open Source licenses not limit the ways or people that are permitted to use the software. Though some developers of software may wish to prevent illegitimate use, the following should be kept in mind:
* You can't restrict the way folks use your software, only makerecommendations. That is: You cannot say that your software will not be used to commit a crime, or for military purposes; but you can recommend against breaking laws or using the software for military purposes, or the operaton of nuclear power facilities. No discrimination against purpose of use. * You can't restrict who can use your software: business, military, individuals, individuals with past criminal record can all use your software alike. No discrimination against people. * You can't license your software to prohibit use by T7 countries, but you can include clauses to note the requirements placed on the licensee by the US Government, and state that users should abide by all applicable laws.
.hc
On Dec 3, 2010, at 11:16 AM, ydegoyon@gmail.com wrote:
ola,
pidip and unauthorized are now published with a non-standard license that says :
@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
the code published here can be studied, modified, used by anyone that provides all the original credits and sources in derivative projects.
there are restrictions on its use, it cannot be used for :
- military amd/or repressive use
- commercial installations and products
- any project that promotes : racism, nationalism, xenophobia, sexism,
homophobia, religious hatred or missionarism .. ( expandable list)
this is not a standard license.
sevy.
@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
ciao, sevy
I hate it when they say, "He gave his life for his country." Nobody gives their life for anything. We steal the lives of these kids.
-Admiral Gene LeRocque
On Sun, Dec 5, 2010 at 8:50 PM, ydegoyon@gmail.com ydegoyon@gmail.comwrote:
ola,
you're totally right that we should get out of sourceforge, that grants more rights to US citizens than to others.
we can find a domain in .fi, .de, .ch or .nl, if you know what i mean.
so yeh you can remove unauthorized and pidip from sourceforge.
ciao, sevy
pd _ and could you leave me in peace _forever_ ? thank you
You are on a mailing list. Of course, you can unsubscribe, and build a bunker from armchairs and matresses and ban adults.
Andras
berlios is based in Germany, but I think they have similar
restrictions on the license.
.hc
On Dec 5, 2010, at 2:50 PM, ydegoyon@gmail.com wrote:
ola,
you're totally right that we should get out of sourceforge, that grants more rights to US citizens than to others.
we can find a domain in .fi, .de, .ch or .nl, if you know what i mean.
so yeh you can remove unauthorized and pidip from sourceforge.
ciao, sevy
pd _ and could you leave me in peace _forever_ ? thank you
Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
You'll also have to consider SourceForge's Terms of Use, which seem
to disallow software with licenses that do not fit into the Open
Source Definition.(from http://sourceforge.net/apps/trac/sitelegal/wiki/What%20projects%20qualify%20...)
# The software involved must be licensed under an Open Source
license.(from http://sourceforge.net/apps/trac/sitelegal/wiki/Controversial%20project%20ho...) Notes on the application of the Open Source Definition ¶
The Open Source Definition requires that all Open Source licenses
not limit the ways or people that are permitted to use the
software. Though some developers of software may wish to prevent
illegitimate use, the following should be kept in mind:
- You can't restrict the way folks use your software, only make
recommendations. That is: You cannot say that your software will
not be used to commit a crime, or for military purposes; but you
can recommend against breaking laws or using the software for
military purposes, or the operaton of nuclear power facilities. No
discrimination against purpose of use.
- You can't restrict who can use your software: business,
military, individuals, individuals with past criminal record can
all use your software alike. No discrimination against people.
- You can't license your software to prohibit use by T7
countries, but you can include clauses to note the requirements
placed on the licensee by the US Government, and state that users
should abide by all applicable laws..hc
On Dec 3, 2010, at 11:16 AM, ydegoyon@gmail.com wrote:
ola,
pidip and unauthorized are now published with a non-standard
license that says :@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
the code published here can be studied, modified, used by anyone that provides all the original credits and sources in derivative projects.
there are restrictions on its use, it cannot be used for :
- military amd/or repressive use
- commercial installations and products
- any project that promotes : racism, nationalism, xenophobia,
sexism, homophobia, religious hatred or missionarism .. ( expandable list)
this is not a standard license.
sevy.
@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
ciao, sevy
I hate it when they say, "He gave his life for his country."
Nobody gives their life for anything. We steal the lives of these
kids. -Admiral Gene LeRocque
If you are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem.
Hi list... a big issue, however ... PiDiP remain in extended pd libraries?
Best regards
José
2010/12/5 Hans-Christoph Steiner hans@at.or.at
berlios is based in Germany, but I think they have similar restrictions on the license.
.hc
On Dec 5, 2010, at 2:50 PM, ydegoyon@gmail.com wrote:
ola,
you're totally right that we should get out of sourceforge, that grants more rights to US citizens than to others.
we can find a domain in .fi, .de, .ch or .nl, if you know what i mean.
so yeh you can remove unauthorized and pidip from sourceforge.
ciao, sevy
pd _ and could you leave me in peace _forever_ ? thank you
Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
You'll also have to consider SourceForge's Terms of Use, which seem to disallow software with licenses that do not fit into the Open Source Definition.
(from http://sourceforge.net/apps/trac/sitelegal/wiki/What%20projects%20qualify%20... ?)
# The software involved must be licensed under an Open Source license.
(from http://sourceforge.net/apps/trac/sitelegal/wiki/Controversial%20project%20ho... ) Notes on the application of the Open Source Definition ¶
The Open Source Definition requires that all Open Source licenses not limit the ways or people that are permitted to use the software. Though some developers of software may wish to prevent illegitimate use, the following should be kept in mind:
- You can't restrict the way folks use your software, only make
recommendations. That is: You cannot say that your software will not be used to commit a crime, or for military purposes; but you can recommend against breaking laws or using the software for military purposes, or the operaton of nuclear power facilities. No discrimination against purpose of use.
- You can't restrict who can use your software: business, military,
individuals, individuals with past criminal record can all use your software alike. No discrimination against people.
- You can't license your software to prohibit use by T7 countries, but
you can include clauses to note the requirements placed on the licensee by the US Government, and state that users should abide by all applicable laws.
.hc
On Dec 3, 2010, at 11:16 AM, ydegoyon@gmail.com wrote:
ola,
pidip and unauthorized are now published with a non-standard license that says :
@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
the code published here can be studied, modified, used by anyone that provides all the original credits and sources in derivative projects.
there are restrictions on its use, it cannot be used for :
- military amd/or repressive use
- commercial installations and products
- any project that promotes : racism, nationalism, xenophobia, sexism,
homophobia, religious hatred or missionarism .. ( expandable list)
this is not a standard license.
sevy.
@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
ciao, sevy
I hate it when they say, "He gave his life for his country." Nobody gives their life for anything. We steal the lives of these kids. -Admiral Gene LeRocque
If you are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem.
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On Sun, 5 Dec 2010, Jose Luis Santorcuato wrote:
Hi list... a big issue, however ... PiDiP remain in extended pd libraries?
I don't know, ... five years ago, I was being flamed by Degoyon out of nowhere (as usual), and so, I got curious about which license he used for his software, because I thought he was flaming about a BSD vs GPL religious thing, and that's when I pointed out on the mailing-list (pd-dev ?) that there was a serious license problem with PiDiP, but I think that it was generally taken as part of a «feud» between Degoyon and I, and so, it wasn't taken very seriously. (but actually, there was no feud, there was harassment and there was someone who wanted to get rid of the harassment)
Anyhow, PiDiP was removed from pd-extended for a little while, and I don't recall why it was put back in pd-extended, but PiDiP was still non-free when it was put back, and nothing had changed in the PiDiP license, IIRC. It shows that license files in the pd world are not always taken seriously, and that non-free code can crawl in simply because a gatekeeper may trust his own interpretation of the law and, for example, doesn't even bother chatting (IRC) with people who know the fine points of copyright law and licenses. But even though I did fetch that information from specialists, the problem is that the gatekeeper may act like it's «just my opinion» instead.
(Of course, on IRC, you have to verify whether the person you are talking to knows his stuff first, but then, if you go to a lawyer office, you'd be a fool to not do the same !)
| Mathieu Bouchard ---- tél: +1.514.383.3801 ---- Villeray, Montréal, QC
I was curious, since EffecTV is GPL and a significant part of PiDiP is a port of EffecTV --- does this make an impact on what licenses are valid for PiDiP?
-John
On 12/05/2010 07:03 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
berlios is based in Germany, but I think they have similar restrictions on the license.
.hc
On Dec 5, 2010, at 2:50 PM, ydegoyon@gmail.com wrote:
ola,
you're totally right that we should get out of sourceforge, that grants more rights to US citizens than to others.
we can find a domain in .fi, .de, .ch or .nl, if you know what i mean.
so yeh you can remove unauthorized and pidip from sourceforge.
ciao, sevy
pd _ and could you leave me in peace _forever_ ? thank you
Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
You'll also have to consider SourceForge's Terms of Use, which seem to disallow software with licenses that do not fit into the Open Source Definition.
(from http://sourceforge.net/apps/trac/sitelegal/wiki/What%20projects%20qualify%20...)
# The software involved must be licensed under an Open Source license.
(from http://sourceforge.net/apps/trac/sitelegal/wiki/Controversial%20project%20ho...) Notes on the application of the Open Source Definition ¶
The Open Source Definition requires that all Open Source licenses not limit the ways or people that are permitted to use the software. Though some developers of software may wish to prevent illegitimate use, the following should be kept in mind:
- You can't restrict the way folks use your software, only make
recommendations. That is: You cannot say that your software will not be used to commit a crime, or for military purposes; but you can recommend against breaking laws or using the software for military purposes, or the operaton of nuclear power facilities. No discrimination against purpose of use.
- You can't restrict who can use your software: business,
military, individuals, individuals with past criminal record can all use your software alike. No discrimination against people.
- You can't license your software to prohibit use by T7
countries, but you can include clauses to note the requirements placed on the licensee by the US Government, and state that users should abide by all applicable laws.
.hc
On Dec 3, 2010, at 11:16 AM, ydegoyon@gmail.com wrote:
ola,
pidip and unauthorized are now published with a non-standard license that says :
@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
the code published here can be studied, modified, used by anyone that provides all the original credits and sources in derivative projects.
there are restrictions on its use, it cannot be used for :
- military amd/or repressive use
- commercial installations and products
- any project that promotes : racism, nationalism, xenophobia, sexism,
homophobia, religious hatred or missionarism .. ( expandable list)
this is not a standard license.
sevy.
@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
ciao, sevy
I hate it when they say, "He gave his life for his country." Nobody gives their life for anything. We steal the lives of these kids.
-Admiral Gene LeRocque
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Yeah, I think that's the case, its been discussed before: http://lists.puredata.info/pipermail/pd-ot/2006-01/001371.html
.hc
On Dec 5, 2010, at 8:54 PM, John Harrison wrote:
I was curious, since EffecTV is GPL and a significant part of PiDiP
is a port of EffecTV --- does this make an impact on what licenses
are valid for PiDiP?-John
On 12/05/2010 07:03 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
berlios is based in Germany, but I think they have similar
restrictions on the license..hc
On Dec 5, 2010, at 2:50 PM, ydegoyon@gmail.com wrote:
ola,
you're totally right that we should get out of sourceforge, that grants more rights to US citizens than to others.
we can find a domain in .fi, .de, .ch or .nl, if you know what i mean.
so yeh you can remove unauthorized and pidip from sourceforge.
ciao, sevy
pd _ and could you leave me in peace _forever_ ? thank you
Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
You'll also have to consider SourceForge's Terms of Use, which
seem to disallow software with licenses that do not fit into the
Open Source Definition.(from http://sourceforge.net/apps/trac/sitelegal/wiki/What%20projects%20qualify%20...)
# The software involved must be licensed under an Open Source
license.(from http://sourceforge.net/apps/trac/sitelegal/wiki/Controversial%20project%20ho...) Notes on the application of the Open Source Definition ¶
The Open Source Definition requires that all Open Source licenses
not limit the ways or people that are permitted to use the
software. Though some developers of software may wish to prevent
illegitimate use, the following should be kept in mind:
- You can't restrict the way folks use your software, only make
recommendations. That is: You cannot say that your software will
not be used to commit a crime, or for military purposes; but you
can recommend against breaking laws or using the software for
military purposes, or the operaton of nuclear power facilities.
No discrimination against purpose of use.
- You can't restrict who can use your software: business,
military, individuals, individuals with past criminal record can
all use your software alike. No discrimination against people.
- You can't license your software to prohibit use by T7
countries, but you can include clauses to note the requirements
placed on the licensee by the US Government, and state that users
should abide by all applicable laws..hc
On Dec 3, 2010, at 11:16 AM, ydegoyon@gmail.com wrote:
ola,
pidip and unauthorized are now published with a non-standard
license that says :@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
the code published here can be studied, modified, used by anyone that provides all the original credits and sources in derivative projects.
there are restrictions on its use, it cannot be used for :
- military amd/or repressive use
- commercial installations and products
- any project that promotes : racism, nationalism, xenophobia,
sexism, homophobia, religious hatred or missionarism .. ( expandable list)
this is not a standard license.
sevy.
@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
ciao, sevy
I hate it when they say, "He gave his life for his country."
Nobody gives their life for anything. We steal the lives of
these kids. -Admiral Gene LeRocque
If you are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem.
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On Sun, 5 Dec 2010, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
Yeah, I think that's the case, its been discussed before: http://lists.puredata.info/pipermail/pd-ot/2006-01/001371.html
But legally, the way that it goes, is that licenses have to be explicitly produced by the respective copyright holders, so, when anyone says that GPL makes some other software «automatically» GPL'ed, that's not true : if there is a contradiction of licenses, distribution of the software is illegal until either party or both parties change their license in a way that doesn't make it conflict anymore.
That's an important point of the law, because it means that if an author doesn't want to cooperate, you can't act as if the software license was something else than what is stated : you really need explicit statements all along.
Thus PiDiP not only can't go in Debian's main (and sourceforge), it can't even go in Debian's non-free, and it's been like that continuously since at least 2005.
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On Sun, 5 Dec 2010, John Harrison wrote:
I was curious, since EffecTV is GPL and a significant part of PiDiP is a port of EffecTV --- does this make an impact on what licenses are valid for PiDiP?
Relicensing of EffecTV code from GPL to Degoyon license is ILLEGAL, and linking of EffecTV code frorm GPL to Degoyon license is ALSO ILLEGAL. Back in 2005, I hadn't considered the use of EffecTV code (if I recall), but there was other GPL'ed code anyway in PiDiP, which was already making redistribution ILLEGAL.
Any change of license of EffecTV must get prior written approval by Kentaro Fukuchi and any other possible contributors, but that doesn't make GPL compatible with Degoyon license (the GPL must be replaced by a more «bendable» license such as plain BSD).
| Mathieu Bouchard ---- tél: +1.514.383.3801 ---- Villeray, Montréal, QC
Ouch, my eyes!
http://www.352media.com/rantingandraving/CMFiles/Images/CapsLock.jpg
Shouting in caps lock doen't make it LEGAL!!!11! or something :)
On Mon, 6 Dec 2010 08:42:03 -0500 (EST) Mathieu Bouchard matju@artengine.ca wrote:
On Sun, 5 Dec 2010, John Harrison wrote:
I was curious, since EffecTV is GPL and a significant part of PiDiP is a port of EffecTV --- does this make an impact on what licenses are valid for PiDiP?
Relicensing of EffecTV code from GPL to Degoyon license is ILLEGAL, and linking of EffecTV code frorm GPL to Degoyon license is ALSO ILLEGAL. Back in 2005, I hadn't considered the use of EffecTV code (if I recall), but there was other GPL'ed code anyway in PiDiP, which was already making redistribution ILLEGAL.
Any change of license of EffecTV must get prior written approval by Kentaro Fukuchi and any other possible contributors, but that doesn't make GPL compatible with Degoyon license (the GPL must be replaced by a more «bendable» license such as plain BSD).
| Mathieu Bouchard ---- tél: +1.514.383.3801 ---- Villeray, Montréal, QC
So what does this really mean? We have to go back to building pidip from source if we want to use it? has it changed that much from when it was released? I am just starting to get students interested in learning these objects and would like to continue
Why is there this animosity?
From: pd-list-bounces@iem.at [pd-list-bounces@iem.at] On Behalf Of Hans-Christoph Steiner [hans@at.or.at] Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2010 2:25 PM To: ydegoyon@gmail.com Cc: pd-list@iem.at Subject: [PD] new license for pidip and unauthorized WAS: pd-pidip into Debian
You'll also have to consider SourceForge's Terms of Use, which seem to disallow software with licenses that do not fit into the Open Source Definition.
(from http://sourceforge.net/apps/trac/sitelegal/wiki/What%20projects%20qualify%20...)
# The software involved must be licensed under an Open Source license.
(from http://sourceforge.net/apps/trac/sitelegal/wiki/Controversial%20project%20ho...) Notes on the application of the Open Source Definition ¶
The Open Source Definition requires that all Open Source licenses not limit the ways or people that are permitted to use the software. Though some developers of software may wish to prevent illegitimate use, the following should be kept in mind:
* You can't restrict the way folks use your software, only make
recommendations. That is: You cannot say that your software will not be used to commit a crime, or for military purposes; but you can recommend against breaking laws or using the software for military purposes, or the operaton of nuclear power facilities. No discrimination against purpose of use. * You can't restrict who can use your software: business, military, individuals, individuals with past criminal record can all use your software alike. No discrimination against people. * You can't license your software to prohibit use by T7 countries, but you can include clauses to note the requirements placed on the licensee by the US Government, and state that users should abide by all applicable laws.
.hc
On Dec 3, 2010, at 11:16 AM, ydegoyon@gmail.com wrote:
ola,
pidip and unauthorized are now published with a non-standard license that says :
@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
the code published here can be studied, modified, used by anyone that provides all the original credits and sources in derivative projects.
there are restrictions on its use, it cannot be used for :
- military amd/or repressive use
- commercial installations and products
- any project that promotes : racism, nationalism, xenophobia, sexism,
homophobia, religious hatred or missionarism .. ( expandable list)
this is not a standard license.
sevy.
@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
ciao, sevy
I hate it when they say, "He gave his life for his country." Nobody gives their life for anything. We steal the lives of these kids. - Admiral Gene LeRocque
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On Mon, 6 Dec 2010, Pagano, Patrick wrote:
So what does this really mean? We have to go back to building pidip from source if we want to use it? has it changed that much from when it was released? I am just starting to get students interested in learning these objects and would like to continue
Actually, you don't have the right to use PiDiP, and no-one has the right to. It's illegal, and it's been like that for at least five years.
Why is there this animosity?
Because there is a genuine legal problem, and it's been there for at least five years, but for some people, it has somehow become more obvious now, because the Degoyon clause just expanded a lot, though it was already just as illegal in 2005.
| Mathieu Bouchard ---- tél: +1.514.383.3801 ---- Villeray, Montréal, QC
illegal where? Globally? What of fair use? ________________________________________ From: Mathieu Bouchard [matju@artengine.ca] Sent: Monday, December 06, 2010 8:59 AM To: Pagano, Patrick Cc: Hans-Christoph Steiner; ydegoyon@gmail.com; pd-list@iem.at Subject: Re: [PD] new license for pidip and unauthorized WAS: pd-pidip into Debian
On Mon, 6 Dec 2010, Pagano, Patrick wrote:
So what does this really mean? We have to go back to building pidip from source if we want to use it? has it changed that much from when it was released? I am just starting to get students interested in learning these objects and would like to continue
Actually, you don't have the right to use PiDiP, and no-one has the right to. It's illegal, and it's been like that for at least five years.
Why is there this animosity?
Because there is a genuine legal problem, and it's been there for at least five years, but for some people, it has somehow become more obvious now, because the Degoyon clause just expanded a lot, though it was already just as illegal in 2005.
| Mathieu Bouchard ---- tél: +1.514.383.3801 ---- Villeray, Montréal, QC
On Mon, 6 Dec 2010, Pagano, Patrick wrote:
illegal where? Globally?
Anywhere it is that licenses written by non-lawyers mean anything. Which means, pretty much everywhere copyright laws may apply today.
What of fair use?
Fair use traditionally overrides *any* license, thus if you know you can claim fair use for the use of PiDiP, you can use PiDiP legally. But I don't know enough about the rules of fair use, and I think it's fairly more country-dependent than your average part of copyright law.
(PS: and of course, IanaL !)
| Mathieu Bouchard ---- tél: +1.514.383.3801 ---- Villeray, Montréal, QC
Its not "illegal" because its a not about laws, but rather copyright
licenses, which is more like contracts, i.e. agreements between
private parties.
Currently pidip is in a state where the two licenses conflict
irreconcilably. So if you use pidip under Yves' license, you could be
sued by the EffecTV copyright holder. Or if you use it under the GPL
from EffecTV, you could be sued by the PiDiP copyright holder.
.hc
On Dec 6, 2010, at 9:07 AM, Pagano, Patrick wrote:
illegal where? Globally? What of fair use? ________________________________________ From: Mathieu Bouchard [matju@artengine.ca] Sent: Monday, December 06, 2010 8:59 AM To: Pagano, Patrick Cc: Hans-Christoph Steiner; ydegoyon@gmail.com; pd-list@iem.at Subject: Re: [PD] new license for pidip and unauthorized WAS: pd- pidip into Debian
On Mon, 6 Dec 2010, Pagano, Patrick wrote:
So what does this really mean? We have to go back to building pidip
from source if we want to use it? has it changed that much from when it
was released? I am just starting to get students interested in learning these objects and would like to continueActually, you don't have the right to use PiDiP, and no-one has the
right to. It's illegal, and it's been like that for at least five years.Why is there this animosity?
Because there is a genuine legal problem, and it's been there for at
least five years, but for some people, it has somehow become more obvious
now, because the Degoyon clause just expanded a lot, though it was already just as illegal in 2005.
| Mathieu Bouchard ---- tél: +1.514.383.3801 ---- Villeray,
Montréal, QC
Access to computers should be unlimited and total. - the hacker ethic
On Mon, 6 Dec 2010, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
Its not "illegal" because its a not about laws, but rather copyright licenses, which is more like contracts, i.e. agreements between private parties.
Right. I used the wrong word. I'm sorry.
| Mathieu Bouchard ---- tél: +1.514.383.3801 ---- Villeray, Montréal, QC
You could be forgiven. The effort to forge this confusion is one of the defining propaganda campaigns of the 21st Century. There are lawyers out there who don't know the difference.
On Mon, 6 Dec 2010 20:54:19 -0500 (EST) Mathieu Bouchard matju@artengine.ca wrote:
On Mon, 6 Dec 2010, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
Its not "illegal" because its a not about laws, but rather copyright licenses, which is more like contracts, i.e. agreements between private parties.
Right. I used the wrong word. I'm sorry.
| Mathieu Bouchard ---- tél: +1.514.383.3801 ---- Villeray, Montréal, QC
--- On Tue, 12/7/10, Andy Farnell padawan12@obiwannabe.co.uk wrote:
From: Andy Farnell padawan12@obiwannabe.co.uk Subject: Re: [PD] new license for pidip and unauthorized WAS: pd-pidip into Debian To: pd-list@iem.at Date: Tuesday, December 7, 2010, 9:50 AM You could be forgiven. The effort to forge this confusion is one of the defining propaganda campaigns of the 21st Century. There are lawyers out there who don't know the difference.
The difference between what and what?
-Jonathan
On Mon, 6 Dec 2010 20:54:19 -0500 (EST) Mathieu Bouchard matju@artengine.ca wrote:
On Mon, 6 Dec 2010, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
Its not "illegal" because its a not about laws,
but rather copyright
licenses, which is more like contracts, i.e.
agreements between private
parties.
Right. I used the wrong word. I'm sorry.
_______________________________________________________________________ | Mathieu Bouchard ---- tél: +1.514.383.3801 ----
Villeray, Montréal, QC
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What is there exactly in PiDiP that people need so badly? The (IMHO ugly) video filters from EffecTV? Or the streaming part?
In either case, the solution seems simple to me. PDP itself isn't really being maintained AFAIK, and isn't completely cross-platform anyways, so why not just implement what is needed from PiDiP in GEM?
If there is a (willfully) stubborn stone in the river, just fork and move around it! And one less reason to put up with a certain person's temper-tantrums later...
D.
On 12/7/10 1:56 AM, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
Currently pidip is in a state where the two licenses conflict irreconcilably. So if you use pidip under Yves' license, you could be sued by the EffecTV copyright holder. Or if you use it under the GPL from EffecTV, you could be sued by the PiDiP copyright holder.
Hi list!, PiDiP In my humble opinion is a great tool for video work, a complement to or Gem or Gridflow and actually doing would be a shame to stay out of pd extended.
I like the possibilities of interaction and partnership with OpenCV ... is a penalty if it is not in pd, but is also addressing the problem of licenses.
Best regards
José
2010/12/7 Derek Holzer derek@umatic.nl:
What is there exactly in PiDiP that people need so badly? The (IMHO ugly) video filters from EffecTV? Or the streaming part?
In either case, the solution seems simple to me. PDP itself isn't really being maintained AFAIK, and isn't completely cross-platform anyways, so why not just implement what is needed from PiDiP in GEM?
If there is a (willfully) stubborn stone in the river, just fork and move around it! And one less reason to put up with a certain person's temper-tantrums later...
D.
On 12/7/10 1:56 AM, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
Currently pidip is in a state where the two licenses conflict irreconcilably. So if you use pidip under Yves' license, you could be sued by the EffecTV copyright holder. Or if you use it under the GPL from EffecTV, you could be sued by the PiDiP copyright holder.
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yes, all of the effectTV filters if we can get pix_effectTV half of it would be obsolete
but also pdp_mgrid pdp_cmap pdp_ctrack pdp_ascii are essential
pdp_qt will be obsolete when we get either pix_film OR pix_movie or whatever to play audio directly from a movie without extra table banging [hopefully this exists somewhere] pdp_frei0r is ESSENTIAL now as is pdp_freeframe
also from unauthorized, playlist~ a graphical playlist external and an updated version of cooled~
From: pd-list-bounces@iem.at [pd-list-bounces@iem.at] On Behalf Of Derek Holzer [derek@umatic.nl] Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2010 5:36 AM To: pd-list@iem.at Subject: Re: [PD] new license for pidip and unauthorized WAS: pd-pidip into Debian
What is there exactly in PiDiP that people need so badly? The (IMHO ugly) video filters from EffecTV? Or the streaming part?
In either case, the solution seems simple to me. PDP itself isn't really being maintained AFAIK, and isn't completely cross-platform anyways, so why not just implement what is needed from PiDiP in GEM?
If there is a (willfully) stubborn stone in the river, just fork and move around it! And one less reason to put up with a certain person's temper-tantrums later...
D.
On 12/7/10 1:56 AM, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
Currently pidip is in a state where the two licenses conflict irreconcilably. So if you use pidip under Yves' license, you could be sued by the EffecTV copyright holder. Or if you use it under the GPL from EffecTV, you could be sued by the PiDiP copyright holder.
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On Tue, 7 Dec 2010, Pagano, Patrick wrote:
pdp_mgrid
I don't quite understand why people do motion detection with squares like that. I use a generic motion detection that gets me the centre of the motion, and then when I rescale the values, it may split the possible results into bands or squares because of rounding (if I quantise them).
Nevertheless, if I have a picture of size (240 320 3), I can make groups of rows and columns, for example I [#redim (15 16 20 16 3)], which turns a picture into a 5-dimensional grid, and then if I [#transpose 1 2], I will have a 5-dimensional grid that is a 2-dimensional grid of 16x16 icons. After that, many effects and analyses that GF can do on pictures will also work on such groups of pictures without any change.
But more simply, if I want an average of each 16x16 icon, I don't need to go 5-dimensional, I can just do [#downscale_by 16 smoothly] and that's all.
pdp_cmap pdp_ctrack pdp_ascii are essential
I'd like to know what it takes for you to call something «essential». Do you mean that there is no other way to do it with Pd, or just no other way to do with with PDP ?
pdp_qt will be obsolete when we get either pix_film OR pix_movie or whatever to play audio directly from a movie without extra table banging [hopefully this exists somewhere]
There's [#in~], which is rather experimental. It uses [#to~].
| Mathieu Bouchard ---- tél: +1.514.383.3801 ---- Villeray, Montréal, QC
I don't quite understand why people do motion detection with squares like that. I use a generic motion detection that gets me the centre of the motion, and then when I rescale the values, it may split the possible results into bands or squares because of rounding (if I quantise them).
Hi all!,
what is the generic motion detector you are using Mathieu? I use pdp...
Best Regards
José
2010/12/7 Mathieu Bouchard matju@artengine.ca:
On Tue, 7 Dec 2010, Pagano, Patrick wrote:
pdp_mgrid
I don't quite understand why people do motion detection with squares like that. I use a generic motion detection that gets me the centre of the motion, and then when I rescale the values, it may split the possible results into bands or squares because of rounding (if I quantise them).
Nevertheless, if I have a picture of size (240 320 3), I can make groups
of
rows and columns, for example I [#redim (15 16 20 16 3)], which turns a picture into a 5-dimensional grid, and then if I [#transpose 1 2], I will have a 5-dimensional grid that is a 2-dimensional grid of 16x16 icons.
After
that, many effects and analyses that GF can do on pictures will also work
on
such groups of pictures without any change.
But more simply, if I want an average of each 16x16 icon, I don't need to
go
5-dimensional, I can just do [#downscale_by 16 smoothly] and that's all.
pdp_cmap pdp_ctrack pdp_ascii are essential
I'd like to know what it takes for you to call something «essential». Do
you
mean that there is no other way to do it with Pd, or just no other way to
do
with with PDP ?
pdp_qt will be obsolete when we get either pix_film OR pix_movie or whatever to play audio directly from a movie without extra table banging [hopefully this exists somewhere]
There's [#in~], which is rather experimental. It uses [#to~].
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Motion tracking can be done easily in GEM with a combination of [pix-background] to create a histrogram showing only changed pixel values, and [pix_blob] to track the center of gravity of those changed values.
D.
On 12/7/10 6:43 PM, Jose Luis Santorcuato wrote:
I don't quite understand why people do motion detection with squares like that. I use a generic motion detection that gets me the centre of the motion, and then when I rescale the values, it may split the possible results into bands or squares because of rounding (if I quantise them). Hi all!, what is the generic motion detector you are using Mathieu? I use pdp... Best Regards José 2010/12/7 Mathieu Bouchard <matju@artengine.ca mailto:matju@artengine.ca>:
On Tue, 7 Dec 2010, Pagano, Patrick wrote:
pdp_mgrid
I don't quite understand why people do motion detection with squares like that. I use a generic motion detection that gets me the centre of the motion, and then when I rescale the values, it may split the possible results into bands or squares because of rounding (if I quantise them).
Nevertheless, if I have a picture of size (240 320 3), I can make
groups of
rows and columns, for example I [#redim (15 16 20 16 3)], which turns a picture into a 5-dimensional grid, and then if I [#transpose 1 2], I will have a 5-dimensional grid that is a 2-dimensional grid of 16x16
icons. After
that, many effects and analyses that GF can do on pictures will also
work on
such groups of pictures without any change.
But more simply, if I want an average of each 16x16 icon, I don't
need to go
5-dimensional, I can just do [#downscale_by 16 smoothly] and that's all.
pdp_cmap pdp_ctrack pdp_ascii are essential
I'd like to know what it takes for you to call something «essential».
Do you
mean that there is no other way to do it with Pd, or just no other
way to do
with with PDP ?
pdp_qt will be obsolete when we get either pix_film OR pix_movie or whatever to play audio directly from a movie without extra table banging [hopefully this exists somewhere]
There's [#in~], which is rather experimental. It uses [#to~].
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See attached path by Ben Bogart.
D.
On 12/7/10 11:32 PM, Derek Holzer wrote:
Motion tracking can be done easily in GEM with a combination of [pix-background] to create a histrogram showing only changed pixel values, and [pix_blob] to track the center of gravity of those changed values.
Also check in Gem examples, Help -> Browser ->
Gem -> examples -> 04.video -> 06.frame_diff_tracking and
07.bg_subtract_tracking,
Manuals -> 2.Image -> 17.tracking
.hc
Le mardi 07 décembre 2010 à 17:32 -0500, Hans-Christoph Steiner a écrit :
Also check in Gem examples, Help -> Browser ->
Gem -> examples -> 04.video -> 06.frame_diff_tracking and 07.bg_subtract_tracking,
Why there is a [pix_delay 1] in 06.frame_diff_tracking ? For simple tracking, you can also use [pix_movement] or [pix_movement2] (which give good results) and [pix_blob]. ++
Jack
Manuals -> 2.Image -> 17.tracking.hc
lets make a replacement patch. where shall we begin?
pp ________________________________________ From: pd-list-bounces@iem.at [pd-list-bounces@iem.at] On Behalf Of Derek Holzer [derek@umatic.nl] Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2010 4:32 PM To: pd-list@iem.at Subject: Re: [PD] new license for pidip and unauthorized WAS: pd-pidip into Debian
Motion tracking can be done easily in GEM with a combination of [pix-background] to create a histrogram showing only changed pixel values, and [pix_blob] to track the center of gravity of those changed values.
D.
On 12/7/10 6:43 PM, Jose Luis Santorcuato wrote:
I don't quite understand why people do motion detection with squares like that. I use a generic motion detection that gets me the centre of the motion, and then when I rescale the values, it may split the possible results into bands or squares because of rounding (if I quantise them). Hi all!, what is the generic motion detector you are using Mathieu? I use pdp... Best Regards José 2010/12/7 Mathieu Bouchard <matju@artengine.ca mailto:matju@artengine.ca>:
On Tue, 7 Dec 2010, Pagano, Patrick wrote:
pdp_mgrid
I don't quite understand why people do motion detection with squares like that. I use a generic motion detection that gets me the centre of the motion, and then when I rescale the values, it may split the possible results into bands or squares because of rounding (if I quantise them).
Nevertheless, if I have a picture of size (240 320 3), I can make
groups of
rows and columns, for example I [#redim (15 16 20 16 3)], which turns a picture into a 5-dimensional grid, and then if I [#transpose 1 2], I will have a 5-dimensional grid that is a 2-dimensional grid of 16x16
icons. After
that, many effects and analyses that GF can do on pictures will also
work on
such groups of pictures without any change.
But more simply, if I want an average of each 16x16 icon, I don't
need to go
5-dimensional, I can just do [#downscale_by 16 smoothly] and that's all.
pdp_cmap pdp_ctrack pdp_ascii are essential
I'd like to know what it takes for you to call something «essential».
Do you
mean that there is no other way to do it with Pd, or just no other
way to do
with with PDP ?
pdp_qt will be obsolete when we get either pix_film OR pix_movie or whatever to play audio directly from a movie without extra table banging [hopefully this exists somewhere]
There's [#in~], which is rather experimental. It uses [#to~].
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Well, I used pix_blob, or blob tracker, do not remember exactly, but I always gave erratic readings or based only on two axes, I like working with coordinate and mgrid are well suited to that need. Mathieu Gridflow ever asked me, I have not tried what Derek and Mathieu proposes no doubt I will today, but obviously I ask the question because I do not like to rely on a single object or platform.
Best regards friends
José
This is a great topic
B regards
José
2010/12/8 Pagano, Patrick pat@digitalworlds.ufl.edu
lets make a replacement patch. where shall we begin?
pp ________________________________________ From: pd-list-bounces@iem.at [pd-list-bounces@iem.at] On Behalf Of Derek Holzer [derek@umatic.nl] Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2010 4:32 PM To: pd-list@iem.at Subject: Re: [PD] new license for pidip and unauthorized WAS: pd-pidip into Debian
Motion tracking can be done easily in GEM with a combination of [pix-background] to create a histrogram showing only changed pixel values, and [pix_blob] to track the center of gravity of those changed values.
D.
On 12/7/10 6:43 PM, Jose Luis Santorcuato wrote:
I don't quite understand why people do motion detection with squares like that. I use a generic motion detection that gets me the centre of the motion, and then when I rescale the values, it may split the possible results into bands or squares because of rounding (if I quantise them). Hi all!, what is the generic motion detector you are using Mathieu? I use pdp... Best Regards José 2010/12/7 Mathieu Bouchard <matju@artengine.ca <mailto:
matju@artengine.ca>>:
On Tue, 7 Dec 2010, Pagano, Patrick wrote:
pdp_mgrid
I don't quite understand why people do motion detection with squares
like
that. I use a generic motion detection that gets me the centre of the motion, and then when I rescale the values, it may split the possible results into bands or squares because of rounding (if I quantise
them).
Nevertheless, if I have a picture of size (240 320 3), I can make
groups of
rows and columns, for example I [#redim (15 16 20 16 3)], which turns
a
picture into a 5-dimensional grid, and then if I [#transpose 1 2], I
will
have a 5-dimensional grid that is a 2-dimensional grid of 16x16
icons. After
that, many effects and analyses that GF can do on pictures will also
work on
such groups of pictures without any change.
But more simply, if I want an average of each 16x16 icon, I don't
need to go
5-dimensional, I can just do [#downscale_by 16 smoothly] and that's
all.
pdp_cmap pdp_ctrack pdp_ascii are essential
I'd like to know what it takes for you to call something «essential».
Do you
mean that there is no other way to do it with Pd, or just no other
way to do
with with PDP ?
pdp_qt will be obsolete when we get either pix_film OR pix_movie or whatever to play audio directly from a movie without extra table
banging
[hopefully this exists somewhere]
There's [#in~], which is rather experimental. It uses [#to~].
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Which kind of tracking to do want to do? It should be pretty easy to
a motiongrid as an abstraction. Start with the diff tracking Gem
example, and then just break it down into a grid.
.hc
On Dec 7, 2010, at 10:54 PM, Pagano, Patrick wrote:
lets make a replacement patch. where shall we begin?
pp ________________________________________ From: pd-list-bounces@iem.at [pd-list-bounces@iem.at] On Behalf Of
Derek Holzer [derek@umatic.nl] Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2010 4:32 PM To: pd-list@iem.at Subject: Re: [PD] new license for pidip and unauthorized WAS: pd- pidip into DebianMotion tracking can be done easily in GEM with a combination of [pix-background] to create a histrogram showing only changed pixel values, and [pix_blob] to track the center of gravity of those changed values.
D.
On 12/7/10 6:43 PM, Jose Luis Santorcuato wrote:
I don't quite understand why people do motion detection with squares like that. I use a generic motion detection that gets me the centre
of the motion, and then when I rescale the values, it may split the possible results into bands or squares because of rounding (if I quantise them). Hi all!, what is the generic motion detector you are using Mathieu? I use
pdp... Best Regards José 2010/12/7 Mathieu Bouchard <matju@artengine.ca <mailto:matju@artengine.ca:
On Tue, 7 Dec 2010, Pagano, Patrick wrote:
pdp_mgrid
I don't quite understand why people do motion detection with
squares like that. I use a generic motion detection that gets me the centre of
the motion, and then when I rescale the values, it may split the
possible results into bands or squares because of rounding (if I quantise
them).Nevertheless, if I have a picture of size (240 320 3), I can make
groups of
rows and columns, for example I [#redim (15 16 20 16 3)], which
turns a picture into a 5-dimensional grid, and then if I [#transpose 1 2],
I will have a 5-dimensional grid that is a 2-dimensional grid of 16x16icons. After
that, many effects and analyses that GF can do on pictures will also
work on
such groups of pictures without any change.
But more simply, if I want an average of each 16x16 icon, I don't
need to go
5-dimensional, I can just do [#downscale_by 16 smoothly] and
that's all.pdp_cmap pdp_ctrack pdp_ascii are essential
I'd like to know what it takes for you to call something
«essential».Do you
mean that there is no other way to do it with Pd, or just no other
way to do
with with PDP ?
pdp_qt will be obsolete when we get either pix_film OR pix_movie or whatever to play audio directly from a movie without extra table
banging [hopefully this exists somewhere]There's [#in~], which is rather experimental. It uses [#to~].
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Hi list, Hi Hans, I really liked using pdp_mgrid why I allowed to follow each of the points that I requested, even could make conditional for each of the points of intersection, not only on an axis. The object pix_blob also gave me those readings, but always so noisy and erratic, usually can detect the presence and the occasional movement, have a leading colleagues have recommended pix_background, but no taste, what recommend you to detect exactly each quadrant? ... ideal would be a kind of grid. Gridflow have also recommended, but still can not quite decipher the code.
Thanks for responding.
Best regards
José
2010/12/8 Hans-Christoph Steiner hans@at.or.at
Which kind of tracking to do want to do? It should be pretty easy to a motiongrid as an abstraction. Start with the diff tracking Gem example, and then just break it down into a grid.
.hc
On Dec 7, 2010, at 10:54 PM, Pagano, Patrick wrote:
lets make a replacement patch. where shall we begin?
pp ________________________________________ From: pd-list-bounces@iem.at [pd-list-bounces@iem.at] On Behalf Of Derek Holzer [derek@umatic.nl] Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2010 4:32 PM To: pd-list@iem.at Subject: Re: [PD] new license for pidip and unauthorized WAS: pd-pidip into Debian
Motion tracking can be done easily in GEM with a combination of [pix-background] to create a histrogram showing only changed pixel values, and [pix_blob] to track the center of gravity of those changed values.
D.
On 12/7/10 6:43 PM, Jose Luis Santorcuato wrote:
I don't quite understand why people do motion detection with squares like that. I use a generic motion detection that gets me the centre of the motion, and then when I rescale the values, it may split the possible results into bands or squares because of rounding (if I quantise them). Hi all!, what is the generic motion detector you are using Mathieu? I use pdp... Best Regards José 2010/12/7 Mathieu Bouchard <matju@artengine.ca mailto:matju@artengine.ca>:
On Tue, 7 Dec 2010, Pagano, Patrick wrote:
pdp_mgrid
I don't quite understand why people do motion detection with squares like that. I use a generic motion detection that gets me the centre of the motion, and then when I rescale the values, it may split the possible results into bands or squares because of rounding (if I quantise them).
Nevertheless, if I have a picture of size (240 320 3), I can make
groups of
rows and columns, for example I [#redim (15 16 20 16 3)], which turns a picture into a 5-dimensional grid, and then if I [#transpose 1 2], I will have a 5-dimensional grid that is a 2-dimensional grid of 16x16
icons. After
that, many effects and analyses that GF can do on pictures will also
work on
such groups of pictures without any change.
But more simply, if I want an average of each 16x16 icon, I don't
need to go
5-dimensional, I can just do [#downscale_by 16 smoothly] and that's all.
pdp_cmap pdp_ctrack pdp_ascii are essential
I'd like to know what it takes for you to call something «essential».
Do you
mean that there is no other way to do it with Pd, or just no other
way to do
with with PDP ?
pdp_qt will be obsolete when we get either pix_film OR pix_movie or whatever to play audio directly from a movie without extra table banging [hopefully this exists somewhere]
There's [#in~], which is rather experimental. It uses [#to~].
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Hello,
You can use [pix_crop] with [pix_movement]/[pix_movement2] and [pix_blob] to have something similar to [pdp_mgrid]. [pix_crop] will return a subimage of a (for example) video from a webcam. Apply on each subimage [pix_movement]/[pix_movement2] and [pix_blob] to return the id (or coords) of the [pix_crop] when the size of the blob is > to a certain value. ++
Jack
Le mercredi 08 décembre 2010 à 21:56 -0300, Jose Luis Santorcuato a écrit :
Hi list, Hi Hans, I really liked using pdp_mgrid why I allowed to follow each of the points that I requested, even could make conditional for each of the points of intersection, not only on an axis. The object pix_blob also gave me those readings, but always so noisy and erratic, usually can detect the presence and the occasional movement, have a leading colleagues have recommended pix_background, but no taste, what recommend you to detect exactly each quadrant? ... ideal would be a kind of grid. Gridflow have also recommended, but still can not quite decipher the code.
Thanks for responding.
Best regards
José
2010/12/8 Hans-Christoph Steiner hans@at.or.at
Which kind of tracking to do want to do? It should be pretty easy to a motiongrid as an abstraction. Start with the diff tracking Gem example, and then just break it down into a grid.
.hc
On Dec 7, 2010, at 10:54 PM, Pagano, Patrick wrote:
lets make a replacement patch. where shall we begin?
pp ________________________________________ From: pd-list-bounces@iem.at [pd-list-bounces@iem.at] On Behalf Of Derek Holzer [derek@umatic.nl] Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2010 4:32 PM To: pd-list@iem.at Subject: Re: [PD] new license for pidip and unauthorized WAS: pd-pidip into Debian
Motion tracking can be done easily in GEM with a combination of [pix-background] to create a histrogram showing only changed pixel values, and [pix_blob] to track the center of gravity of those changed values.
D.
On 12/7/10 6:43 PM, Jose Luis Santorcuato wrote:
I don't quite understand why people do motion detection with squares like that. I use a generic motion detection that gets me the centre of the motion, and then when I rescale the values, it may split the possible results into bands or squares because of rounding (if I quantise them). Hi all!, what is the generic motion detector you are using Mathieu? I use pdp... Best Regards José 2010/12/7 Mathieu Bouchard <matju@artengine.ca mailto:matju@artengine.ca>:
On Tue, 7 Dec 2010, Pagano, Patrick wrote:
pdp_mgrid
I don't quite understand why people do motion detection with squares like that. I use a generic motion detection that gets me the centre of the motion, and then when I rescale the values, it may split the possible results into bands or squares because of rounding (if I quantise them).
Nevertheless, if I have a picture of size (240 320 3), I can make
groups of
rows and columns, for example I [#redim (15 16 20 16 3)], which turns a picture into a 5-dimensional grid, and then if I [#transpose 1 2], I will have a 5-dimensional grid that is a 2-dimensional grid of 16x16
icons. After
that, many effects and analyses that GF can do on pictures will also
work on
such groups of pictures without any change.
But more simply, if I want an average of each 16x16 icon, I don't
need to go
5-dimensional, I can just do [#downscale_by 16 smoothly] and that's all.
pdp_cmap pdp_ctrack pdp_ascii are essential
I'd like to know what it takes for you to call something «essential».
Do you
mean that there is no other way to do it with Pd, or just no other
way to do
with with PDP ?
pdp_qt will be obsolete when we get either pix_film OR pix_movie or whatever to play audio directly from a movie without extra table banging [hopefully this exists somewhere]
There's [#in~], which is rather experimental. It uses [#to~].
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Hi Jack!, I was testing proposed by colleagues, and it works, I removed the noise, not yet determined what happens, but it becomes stable, at least the stable axes can provide data, but I keep trying, I've worked with opencv and works without problems, also gridflow is amazing ... Now, the moment I'm testing this and yours Jack, I like plot, but remember the grid view, I have seen in the help or the site of Pd. In work, the grid blue and red dots.
What else could be proposed?
Best regards
José
2010/12/8 Jack jack@rybn.org:
Hello,
You can use [pix_crop] with [pix_movement]/[pix_movement2] and [pix_blob] to have something similar to [pdp_mgrid]. [pix_crop] will return a subimage of a (for example) video from a webcam. Apply on each subimage [pix_movement]/[pix_movement2] and [pix_blob] to return the id (or coords) of the [pix_crop] when the size of the blob is > to a certain value. ++
Jack
Le mercredi 08 décembre 2010 à 21:56 -0300, Jose Luis Santorcuato a écrit :
Hi list, Hi Hans, I really liked using pdp_mgrid why I allowed to follow each of the points that I requested, even could make conditional for each of the points of intersection, not only on an axis. The object pix_blob also gave me those readings, but always so noisy and erratic, usually can detect the presence and the occasional movement, have a leading colleagues have recommended pix_background, but no taste, what recommend you to detect exactly each quadrant? ... ideal would be a kind of grid. Gridflow have also recommended, but still can not quite decipher the code.
Thanks for responding.
Best regards
José
2010/12/8 Hans-Christoph Steiner hans@at.or.at
Which kind of tracking to do want to do? It should be pretty easy to a motiongrid as an abstraction. Start with the diff tracking Gem example, and then just break it down into a grid.
.hc
On Dec 7, 2010, at 10:54 PM, Pagano, Patrick wrote:
lets make a replacement patch. where shall we begin?
pp ________________________________________ From: pd-list-bounces@iem.at [pd-list-bounces@iem.at] On Behalf Of Derek Holzer [derek@umatic.nl] Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2010 4:32 PM To: pd-list@iem.at Subject: Re: [PD] new license for pidip and unauthorized WAS: pd-pidip into Debian
Motion tracking can be done easily in GEM with a combination of [pix-background] to create a histrogram showing only changed pixel values, and [pix_blob] to track the center of gravity of those changed values.
D.
On 12/7/10 6:43 PM, Jose Luis Santorcuato wrote:
I don't quite understand why people do motion detection with squares like that. I use a generic motion detection that gets me the centre of the motion, and then when I rescale the values, it may split the possible results into bands or squares because of rounding (if I quantise them). Hi all!, what is the generic motion detector you are using Mathieu? I use pdp... Best Regards José 2010/12/7 Mathieu Bouchard <matju@artengine.ca mailto:matju@artengine.ca>:
On Tue, 7 Dec 2010, Pagano, Patrick wrote:
> pdp_mgrid
I don't quite understand why people do motion detection with squares like that. I use a generic motion detection that gets me the centre of the motion, and then when I rescale the values, it may split the possible results into bands or squares because of rounding (if I quantise them).
Nevertheless, if I have a picture of size (240 320 3), I can make
groups of
rows and columns, for example I [#redim (15 16 20 16 3)], which turns a picture into a 5-dimensional grid, and then if I [#transpose 1 2], I will have a 5-dimensional grid that is a 2-dimensional grid of 16x16
icons. After
that, many effects and analyses that GF can do on pictures will also
work on
such groups of pictures without any change.
But more simply, if I want an average of each 16x16 icon, I don't
need to go
5-dimensional, I can just do [#downscale_by 16 smoothly] and that's all.
> pdp_cmap > pdp_ctrack > pdp_ascii > are essential
I'd like to know what it takes for you to call something «essential».
Do you
mean that there is no other way to do it with Pd, or just no other
way to do
with with PDP ?
> pdp_qt will be obsolete when we get either pix_film OR pix_movie or > whatever to play audio directly from a movie without extra table banging > [hopefully this exists somewhere]
There's [#in~], which is rather experimental. It uses [#to~].
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You probably mean [grid], another of Degoyon's objects from the unauthorized lib. This means it could have the same potential problems for inclusion in PDx as PiDiP. Another problem with this lib is the lack of Windows binaries in PDx, I've run into this issue at workshops before. Obviously I am not fascist enough to ban windows from my workshops! ;-)
Best, D.
On 12/9/10 3:33 AM, Jose Luis Santorcuato wrote:
Now, the moment I'm testing this and yours Jack, I like plot, but remember the grid view, I have seen in the help or the site of Pd. In work, the grid blue and red dots.
On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 11:23 AM, Derek Holzer derek@umatic.nl wrote:
Another problem with this lib is the lack of Windows binaries in PDx, I've run into this issue at workshops before. Obviously I am not fascist enough to ban windows from my workshops! ;-)
You have many tools to don't run into problematic issue during workshops. I mean, always you will find an alternative to an object that suit your needs on your platform. The solution is not ban windows as not ban pidip or unauthorize. Is just talk about alternatives and possibilities, telling what you use and what people can use. Show (and tell about) the different flowers of our garden
husk
i just recently had to re-write an important patch w/o grid and playlist~ because of this when i was starting out in linux i thought they were these cool advantages to switching but time and again they became an issue because i could not run it on windows [if that's all a student had] i think Yves' externals are very nice especially Grid, Playlist~ and cooled~ just wish there was not such an issue with using them and porting them for others
in the end i used some pf Eric Lyon's objects that did not have a snarky political bent on them
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On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 11:23 AM, Derek Holzer derek@umatic.nl wrote:
Another problem with this lib is the lack of Windows binaries in PDx, I've run into this issue at workshops before. Obviously I am not fascist enough to ban windows from my workshops! ;-)
You have many tools to don't run into problematic issue during workshops. I mean, always you will find an alternative to an object that suit your needs on your platform. The solution is not ban windows as not ban pidip or unauthorize. Is just talk about alternatives and possibilities, telling what you use and what people can use. Show (and tell about) the different flowers of our garden
husk
-- when Art become pratical we call it technology.
When Technology become useless we call it Art
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Up until a few days ago, 'unauthorized' was GPL, so we can continue
using that version under the GPL. That means that version can also
continue to be included in Pd-extended since Pd-extended is also GPL.
.hc
On Dec 9, 2010, at 8:29 AM, Pagano, Patrick wrote:
i just recently had to re-write an important patch w/o grid and
playlist~ because of this when i was starting out in linux i thought they were these cool
advantages to switching but time and again they became an issue
because i could not run it on windows [if that's all a student had] i think Yves' externals are very nice especially Grid, Playlist~ and
cooled~ just wish there was not such an issue with using them and porting
them for othersin the end i used some pf Eric Lyon's objects that did not have a
snarky political bent on thempp ________________________________________ From: pd-list-bounces@iem.at [pd-list-bounces@iem.at] On Behalf Of
Husk 00 [husk00@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, December 09, 2010 5:42 AM To: Derek Holzer Cc: pd-list Subject: Re: [PD] new license for pidip and unauthorized WAS: pd- pidip into DebianOn Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 11:23 AM, Derek Holzer derek@umatic.nl wrote:
Another problem with this lib is the lack of Windows binaries in PDx, I've run into this issue at workshops before. Obviously I
am not fascist enough to ban windows from my workshops! ;-)You have many tools to don't run into problematic issue during workshops. I mean, always you will find an alternative to an object that suit your needs on your platform. The solution is not ban windows as not ban pidip or unauthorize. Is just talk about alternatives and possibilities, telling what you use and what people can use. Show (and tell about) the different flowers of our garden
husk
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When Technology become useless we call it Art
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King, Jr.
--- On Thu, 12/9/10, Pagano, Patrick pat@digitalworlds.ufl.edu wrote:
From: Pagano, Patrick pat@digitalworlds.ufl.edu Subject: Re: [PD] new license for pidip and unauthorized WAS: pd-pidip into Debian To: "Husk 00" husk00@gmail.com, "Derek Holzer" derek@umatic.nl Cc: "pd-list" PD-list@iem.at Date: Thursday, December 9, 2010, 2:29 PM i just recently had to re-write an important patch w/o grid and playlist~ because of this when i was starting out in linux i thought they were these cool advantages to switching but time and again they became an issue because i could not run it on windows [if that's all a student had] i think Yves' externals are very nice especially Grid,
Grid is available on Windows version of Pd-extended. (At least the last time I checked, which I believe was with a release candidate of 0.42-5.)
-Jonathan
Playlist~ and cooled~ just wish there was not such an issue with using them and porting them for others
in the end i used some pf Eric Lyon's objects that did not have a snarky political bent on them
pp ________________________________________ From: pd-list-bounces@iem.at [pd-list-bounces@iem.at] On Behalf Of Husk 00 [husk00@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, December 09, 2010 5:42 AM To: Derek Holzer Cc: pd-list Subject: Re: [PD] new license for pidip and unauthorized WAS: pd-pidip into Debian
On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 11:23 AM, Derek Holzer derek@umatic.nl wrote:
Another problem with this lib is the lack of Windows
binaries
in PDx, I've run into this issue at workshops before.
Obviously I am not
fascist enough to ban windows from my workshops! ;-)
You have many tools to don't run into problematic issue during workshops. I mean, always you will find an alternative to an object that suit your needs on your platform. The solution is not ban windows as not ban pidip or unauthorize. Is just talk about alternatives and possibilities, telling what you use and what people can use. Show (and tell about) the different flowers of our garden
husk
-- when Art become pratical we call it technology.
When Technology become useless we call it Art
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On Dec 9, 2010, at 5:07 PM, Jonathan Wilkes wrote:
--- On Thu, 12/9/10, Pagano, Patrick pat@digitalworlds.ufl.edu
wrote:From: Pagano, Patrick pat@digitalworlds.ufl.edu Subject: Re: [PD] new license for pidip and unauthorized WAS: pd- pidip into Debian To: "Husk 00" husk00@gmail.com, "Derek Holzer" derek@umatic.nl Cc: "pd-list" PD-list@iem.at Date: Thursday, December 9, 2010, 2:29 PM i just recently had to re-write an important patch w/o grid and playlist~ because of this when i was starting out in linux i thought they were these cool advantages to switching but time and again they became an issue because i could not run it on windows [if that's all a student had] i think Yves' externals are very nice especially Grid,
Grid is available on Windows version of Pd-extended. (At least the last time I checked, which I believe was with a release candidate of 0.42-5.)
I think all of unauthorized works on Windows now.
.hc
-Jonathan
Playlist~ and cooled~ just wish there was not such an issue with using them and porting them for others
in the end i used some pf Eric Lyon's objects that did not have a snarky political bent on them
pp ________________________________________ From: pd-list-bounces@iem.at [pd-list-bounces@iem.at] On Behalf Of Husk 00 [husk00@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, December 09, 2010 5:42 AM To: Derek Holzer Cc: pd-list Subject: Re: [PD] new license for pidip and unauthorized WAS: pd-pidip into Debian
On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 11:23 AM, Derek Holzer derek@umatic.nl wrote:
Another problem with this lib is the lack of Windows
binaries
in PDx, I've run into this issue at workshops before.
Obviously I am not
fascist enough to ban windows from my workshops! ;-)
You have many tools to don't run into problematic issue during workshops. I mean, always you will find an alternative to an object that suit your needs on your platform. The solution is not ban windows as not ban pidip or unauthorize. Is just talk about alternatives and possibilities, telling what you use and what people can use. Show (and tell about) the different flowers of our garden
husk
-- when Art become pratical we call it technology.
When Technology become useless we call it Art
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"Making boring techno music is really easy with modern tools, but with
live coding, boring techno is much harder." - Chris McCormick
playlist~ works on windows? cooled~ works on windows?
I find that hard to believe
On 12/10/2010 10:48 AM, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
On Dec 9, 2010, at 5:07 PM, Jonathan Wilkes wrote:
--- On Thu, 12/9/10, Pagano, Patrickpat@digitalworlds.ufl.edu wrote:
From: Pagano, Patrickpat@digitalworlds.ufl.edu Subject: Re: [PD] new license for pidip and unauthorized WAS: pd- pidip into Debian To: "Husk 00"husk00@gmail.com, "Derek Holzer"derek@umatic.nl Cc: "pd-list"PD-list@iem.at Date: Thursday, December 9, 2010, 2:29 PM i just recently had to re-write an important patch w/o grid and playlist~ because of this when i was starting out in linux i thought they were these cool advantages to switching but time and again they became an issue because i could not run it on windows [if that's all a student had] i think Yves' externals are very nice especially Grid,
Grid is available on Windows version of Pd-extended. (At least the last time I checked, which I believe was with a release candidate of 0.42-5.)
I think all of unauthorized works on Windows now.
.hc
-Jonathan
Playlist~ and cooled~ just wish there was not such an issue with using them and porting them for others
in the end i used some pf Eric Lyon's objects that did not have a snarky political bent on them
pp ________________________________________ From: pd-list-bounces@iem.at [pd-list-bounces@iem.at] On Behalf Of Husk 00 [husk00@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, December 09, 2010 5:42 AM To: Derek Holzer Cc: pd-list Subject: Re: [PD] new license for pidip and unauthorized WAS: pd-pidip into Debian
On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 11:23 AM, Derek Holzerderek@umatic.nl wrote:
Another problem with this lib is the lack of Windows
binaries
in PDx, I've run into this issue at workshops before.
Obviously I am not
fascist enough to ban windows from my workshops! ;-)
You have many tools to don't run into problematic issue during workshops. I mean, always you will find an alternative to an object that suit your needs on your platform. The solution is not ban windows as not ban pidip or unauthorize. Is just talk about alternatives and possibilities, telling what you use and what people can use. Show (and tell about) the different flowers of our garden
husk
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When Technology become useless we call it Art
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"Making boring techno music is really easy with modern tools, but with live coding, boring techno is much harder." - Chris McCormick
Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
On Dec 9, 2010, at 5:07 PM, Jonathan Wilkes wrote:
--- On Thu, 12/9/10, Pagano, Patrick pat@digitalworlds.ufl.edu wrote:
From: Pagano, Patrick pat@digitalworlds.ufl.edu Subject: Re: [PD] new license for pidip and unauthorized WAS: pd-pidip into Debian To: "Husk 00" husk00@gmail.com, "Derek Holzer" derek@umatic.nl Cc: "pd-list" PD-list@iem.at Date: Thursday, December 9, 2010, 2:29 PM i just recently had to re-write an important patch w/o grid and playlist~ because of this when i was starting out in linux i thought they were these cool advantages to switching but time and again they became an issue because i could not run it on windows [if that's all a student had] i think Yves' externals are very nice especially Grid,
Grid is available on Windows version of Pd-extended. (At least the last time I checked, which I believe was with a release candidate of 0.42-5.)
I think all of unauthorized works on Windows now.
haha, of all i read of all my friends here, this is the most funny ... this really shows you have no idea of what it is...
anyway, 2 useful things, instead of the stupid comments i read :
- pidip and unauthorized have been removed from svn
and there's no way you can use or distribute them if you don't respect their license.
- they are available now from here :
export CSVROOT=:pserver:anonymous@giss.tv:/home/cvs cvs co pidip cvs co unauthorized
at the same time i tested all again and fixed a few things...
voila, sevy
pd : i'm super happy that i don't have to collaborate with some people here, really, i'll celebrate...
i will check again but the last time i used cooled~ or playlist~ they did not work cross platform
I found that veejay & reloaded support frei0r now too i was just using mgrid to teach a simple video theremin to get students interested in pd but alot of kids either have windows 7 or even vista cause they are novices with technology i do convince more and more to switch to linux [if they have a PC] so they can try pidip/pdp if their interest is video
pp
From: pd-list-bounces@iem.at [pd-list-bounces@iem.at] On Behalf Of ydegoyon@gmail.com [ydegoyon@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, December 10, 2010 12:02 PM To: Hans-Christoph Steiner Cc: pd-list Subject: Re: [PD] new license for pidip and unauthorized WAS: pd-pidip into Debian
Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
On Dec 9, 2010, at 5:07 PM, Jonathan Wilkes wrote:
--- On Thu, 12/9/10, Pagano, Patrick pat@digitalworlds.ufl.edu wrote:
From: Pagano, Patrick pat@digitalworlds.ufl.edu Subject: Re: [PD] new license for pidip and unauthorized WAS: pd-pidip into Debian To: "Husk 00" husk00@gmail.com, "Derek Holzer" derek@umatic.nl Cc: "pd-list" PD-list@iem.at Date: Thursday, December 9, 2010, 2:29 PM i just recently had to re-write an important patch w/o grid and playlist~ because of this when i was starting out in linux i thought they were these cool advantages to switching but time and again they became an issue because i could not run it on windows [if that's all a student had] i think Yves' externals are very nice especially Grid,
Grid is available on Windows version of Pd-extended. (At least the last time I checked, which I believe was with a release candidate of 0.42-5.)
I think all of unauthorized works on Windows now.
haha, of all i read of all my friends here, this is the most funny ... this really shows you have no idea of what it is...
anyway, 2 useful things, instead of the stupid comments i read :
- pidip and unauthorized have been removed from svn
and there's no way you can use or distribute them if you don't respect their license.
- they are available now from here :
export CSVROOT=:pserver:anonymous@giss.tv:/home/cvs cvs co pidip cvs co unauthorized
at the same time i tested all again and fixed a few things...
voila, sevy
pd : i'm super happy that i don't have to collaborate with some people here, really, i'll celebrate...
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I had two very disappointed workshoppers last week trying to get [playlist] for windows. AFAIK it used to work pre-PDx many years ago, maybe that was when a windows DLL was still available.
D.
On 12/11/10 9:28 PM, João Pais wrote:
i will check again but the last time i used cooled~ or playlist~ they did not work cross platform
it could not be all code is heavily unix-bounded
you had good LSD?
sevy
Derek Holzer wrote:
I had two very disappointed workshoppers last week trying to get [playlist] for windows. AFAIK it used to work pre-PDx many years ago, maybe that was when a windows DLL was still available.
D.
On 12/11/10 9:28 PM, João Pais wrote:
i will check again but the last time i used cooled~ or playlist~ they did not work cross platform
On 10-12-12 05:45 AM, Derek Holzer wrote:
I had two very disappointed workshoppers last week trying to get [playlist] for windows. AFAIK it used to work pre-PDx many years ago, maybe that was when a windows DLL was still available.
D.
maybe they can use mtl/gBrowser.. under ui in mtl/browser
patrick wrote:
On 10-12-12 05:45 AM, Derek Holzer wrote:
I had two very disappointed workshoppers last week trying to get [playlist] for windows. AFAIK it used to work pre-PDx many years ago, maybe that was when a windows DLL was still available.
D.
maybe they can use mtl/gBrowser.. under ui in mtl/browser
this one is actually closer to scrolllist.
On Thu, 9 Dec 2010, Husk 00 wrote:
You have many tools to don't run into problematic issue during workshops. I mean, always you will find an alternative to an object that suit your needs on your platform. The solution is not ban windows as not ban pidip or unauthorize. Is just talk about alternatives and possibilities, telling what you use and what people can use. Show (and tell about) the different flowers of our garden
Some of us have restrictions about the use of software. If our contract says we have to teach only free software (because the course is explicitly about free software, for example), we can't teach pidip or unauthorized, because they are not free software.
Look at this -> http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html
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Mathieu Bouchard wrote:
On Thu, 9 Dec 2010, Husk 00 wrote:
You have many tools to don't run into problematic issue during workshops. I mean, always you will find an alternative to an object that suit your needs on your platform. The solution is not ban windows as not ban pidip or unauthorize. Is just talk about alternatives and possibilities, telling what you use and what people can use. Show (and tell about) the different flowers of our garden
Some of us have restrictions about the use of software. If our contract says we have to teach only free software (because the course is explicitly about free software, for example), we can't teach pidip or unauthorized, because they are not free software.
i never expected you to teach something else than yours.
Look at this -> http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html
everybody should be 'free' to carry a gun, someone said
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On Sun, 12 Dec 2010, ydegoyon@gmail.com wrote:
Mathieu Bouchard wrote:
Look at this -> http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html
everybody should be 'free' to carry a gun, someone said
You are «free» to be besides the point.
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On Sun, Dec 12, 2010 at 4:06 PM, Mathieu Bouchard matju@artengine.ca wrote:
On Thu, 9 Dec 2010, Husk 00 wrote:
You have many tools to don't run into problematic issue during workshops. I mean, always you will find an alternative to an object that suit your needs on your platform. The solution is not ban windows as not ban pidip or unauthorize. Is just talk about alternatives and possibilities, telling what you use and what people can use. Show (and tell about) the different flowers of our garden
Some of us have restrictions about the use of software. If our contract says we have to teach only free software (because the course is explicitly about free software, for example), we can't teach pidip or unauthorized, because they are not free software.
Look at this -> http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html
Yes, that could be true in some (few) countries. Where I live mostly (south europe) I don't have any contract at all when I teach. And when I have (a shit) one the problem is not the freesoftware. husk
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On Sun, 12 Dec 2010, Husk 00 wrote:
On Sun, Dec 12, 2010 at 4:06 PM, Mathieu Bouchard matju@artengine.ca wrote:
Some of us have restrictions about the use of software. If our contract says we have to teach only free software (because the course is explicitly about free software, for example), we can't teach pidip or unauthorized, because they are not free software. Look at this -> http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html
Yes, that could be true in some (few) countries.
It doesn't depend on the country, it depends on the people involved, and on the vision of collectives involved in organising the courses.
Where I live mostly (south europe) I don't have any contract at all when I teach.
That might be sad, but I don't know the details. Perhaps it's fine. Depends on who you deal with, always.
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On Wed, 8 Dec 2010, Jose Luis Santorcuato wrote:
Gridflow have also recommended, but still can not quite decipher the code.
What can I answer to this ? (Can you ask some specific questions instead ?)
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Thanks Mathieu, well, I've been tracking with pix_background and pix_blob, also with the controversial PiDiP library, is very sad to have problems... but...life ... I programming on processing and arduino and yet can not understand all the code a gridflow,I spent so not much time, I teach in the universities here ...califications and burocracy... I'm trying to decipher the code and I deeply appreciate your help Mathieu, you're the that really helped me, this year I have worked with opencv, gridflow...good... but i need more time...
Thanks Mathieu and list...
Best regards
José
Next week i show my work transitos... hypermedia...net art and installation... hurra!!!!
2010/12/13 Mathieu Bouchard matju@artengine.ca:
On Wed, 8 Dec 2010, Jose Luis Santorcuato wrote:
Gridflow have also recommended, but still can not quite decipher the code.
What can I answer to this ? (Can you ask some specific questions instead ?)
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On Tue, 7 Dec 2010, Jose Luis Santorcuato wrote:
Mathieu Bouchard wrote :
I don't quite understand why people do motion detection with squares like that. I use a generic motion detection that gets me the centre of the motion, and then when I rescale the values, it may split the possible results into bands or squares because of rounding (if I quantise them).
what is the generic motion detector you are using Mathieu? I use pdp...
I use [t a a] with [# -] or with [# abs-] or even [# sq-]. Then I apply some filters to reduce noise. If I want to have coordinates, I can use [#moment] to find a single centre.
If I want multiple centres, I can use [#labelling] instead of [#moment].
By generic I mean something that lets you make the decisions yourself because you put together very simple components that will do the job you want. In that sense, [t a a] and [# abs-] and [#moment] are simple things... [#labelling] is a more complex component, but you still have to provide your own pre-filtering because it can't take direct camera input in.
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On Sun, 5 Dec 2010, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
- You can't license your software to prohibit use by T7 countries, but you
can include clauses to note the requirements placed on the licensee by the US Government, and state that users should abide by all applicable laws.
But this can't apply to licensees operating outside of USA. I think that this text could be more clear about that. (USA's influence on other countries' legal systems is more indirect than that, almost all of the time).
Was the above text written supposing that only USA citizens would read it ?
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On Tue, 23 Nov 2010, Patrick Pagano wrote:
removing pdp/pidip is a bad idea
it's also a bad idea to cause the simple things that cause people to want to remove pidip.
if the military decides to use pidip for military use, chances it will be classified information, and no-one of us will ever know, so, it doesn't matter much.
if this sentence is to be kept, it can be moved to any other file than license, making sure that it doesn't look like an addendum to the license.
the only people being penalised by this sentence, is the puredata community. there a lot more significant places where one can protest against war.
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On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 05:46:22PM +0100, ydegoyon@gmail.com wrote:
good!!! i'm free to do what i like now!!!
yeh!
sevy
Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
Ok, will do. I also have to remove pidip from Pd-extended based on
this license..hc
On Nov 23, 2010, at 7:18 AM, ydegoyon@free.fr wrote:
jooo, que espeso ...
i told you 10000 times not to package my stuff, that i'm happy with the packages of goto10...
so [EOC]
ciao, sevy
Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
Hey Lluis and Yves,
I see that puredyne has packaged pidip, so it should be pretty easy to get it into Debian. The only problem is the license. If it was a straight BSD or GPL license, then it would be fine. The problem is
this line:NOT FOR MILITARY OR REPRESSIVE USE !!!
That isn't free according to the Debian Free Software Guidelines.
.hc
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+1 for including the line about military use in pd's license. That will make us all happy. And the military then has to use maxmsp.
Though, I assume it means military institutions and not my own militant guerilla art.
But, we could also conclude that war/military is commercial, at least in the sense that war is waged for profit, and thus GPL should do....
On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 5:46 PM, ydegoyon@gmail.com ydegoyon@gmail.comwrote:
good!!! i'm free to do what i like now!!!
yeh!
sevy
Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
Ok, will do. I also have to remove pidip from Pd-extended based on this license.
.hc
On Nov 23, 2010, at 7:18 AM, ydegoyon@free.fr wrote:
jooo, que espeso ...
i told you 10000 times not to package my stuff, that i'm happy with the packages of goto10...
so [EOC]
ciao, sevy
Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
Hey Lluis and Yves,
I see that puredyne has packaged pidip, so it should be pretty easy to get it into Debian. The only problem is the license. If it was a straight BSD or GPL license, then it would be fine. The problem is this line:
NOT FOR MILITARY OR REPRESSIVE USE !!!
That isn't free according to the Debian Free Software Guidelines.
.hc
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I agree but how could such a term ever be enforced if the military were to use it? Through litigation? IMO such a term is unenforceable ... arguably making it redundant-although I am happy to hear other's point of view?
On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 10:25 PM, Martin . blindmanonacid@gmail.com wrote:
+1 for including the line about military use in pd's license. That will make us all happy. And the military then has to use maxmsp.
Though, I assume it means military institutions and not my own militant guerilla art.
But, we could also conclude that war/military is commercial, at least in the sense that war is waged for profit, and thus GPL should do....
On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 5:46 PM, ydegoyon@gmail.com ydegoyon@gmail.comwrote:
good!!! i'm free to do what i like now!!!
yeh!
sevy
Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
Ok, will do. I also have to remove pidip from Pd-extended based on this license.
.hc
On Nov 23, 2010, at 7:18 AM, ydegoyon@free.fr wrote:
jooo, que espeso ...
i told you 10000 times not to package my stuff, that i'm happy with the packages of goto10...
so [EOC]
ciao, sevy
Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
Hey Lluis and Yves,
I see that puredyne has packaged pidip, so it should be pretty easy to get it into Debian. The only problem is the license. If it was a straight BSD or GPL license, then it would be fine. The problem is this line:
NOT FOR MILITARY OR REPRESSIVE USE !!!
That isn't free according to the Debian Free Software Guidelines.
.hc
As we enjoy great advantages from inventions of others, we should be glad of an opportunity to serve others by any invention of ours; and this we should do freely and generously. - Benjamin Franklin
Programs should be written for people to read, and only incidentally for machines to execute.
- from Structure and Interpretation of Computer Programs
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The GPL doesn't restrict people from doing commercial business with the software (although v3 does try to restrict certain types of monkey business).
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--- On Sat, 12/11/10, Martin . blindmanonacid@gmail.com wrote:
From: Martin . blindmanonacid@gmail.com Subject: Re: [PD] pd-pidip into Debian To: "PD List" pd-list@iem.at Date: Saturday, December 11, 2010, 11:25 PM
+1 for including the line about military use in pd's license. That will make us all happy. And the military then has to use maxmsp. Though, I assume it means military institutions and not my own militant guerilla art.
But, we could also conclude that war/military is commercial, at least in the sense that war is waged for profit, and thus GPL should do....
On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 5:46 PM, ydegoyon@gmail.com ydegoyon@gmail.com wrote:
good!!! i'm free to do what i like now!!!
yeh!
sevy
Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
Ok, will do. I also have to remove pidip from Pd-extended based on this license.
.hc
On Nov 23, 2010, at 7:18 AM, ydegoyon@free.fr wrote:
jooo, que espeso ...
i told you 10000 times not to package my stuff,
that i'm happy with the packages of goto10...
so [EOC]
ciao,
sevy
Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
Hey Lluis and Yves,
I see that puredyne has packaged pidip, so it should be pretty easy to get it into Debian. The only problem is the license. If it was a straight BSD or GPL license, then it would be fine. The problem is this line:
NOT FOR MILITARY OR REPRESSIVE USE !!!
That isn't free according to the Debian Free Software Guidelines.
.hc
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On Sat, 11 Dec 2010, Martin . wrote:
But, we could also conclude that war/military is commercial, at least in the sense that war is waged for profit, and thus GPL should do....
GPL is not noncommercial.
The GPL even forbids a noncommercial clause to be added.
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