On Mon, 6 Aug 2007, David Divilly wrote:
I was wondering if you could pass on that work around for using multiple instances of PD for mac .. Thanks a lot
Open the Finder
Get to the Pd application.
Right-click (or Control-click) and select "show package contents". This is because apps are not real "regular files", they are disguised folders.
dig a bit. (there are too many folder levels in there)
one of the files inside is actually a true OSX executable, which is the one OSX loads when you click on the Pd application. I think it's in a folder labeled "MACOSX". Unlike when opening the app, each time you activate this file it opens Pd again. You can have as many as you want this way, just like on Linux.
You can also achieve the same effect by opening a Terminal. Nothing special here: Pd.app will look like an ordinary folder. This will be easy if you already know how to use the Terminal in OSX or Linux.
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Good to know that ! thx.
Jack
On Mon, 6 Aug 2007, David Divilly wrote:
I was wondering if you could pass on that work around for using multiple instances of PD for mac .. Thanks a lot
Open the Finder
Get to the Pd application.
Right-click (or Control-click) and select "show package contents". This is because apps are not real "regular files", they are disguised folders.
dig a bit. (there are too many folder levels in there)
one of the files inside is actually a true OSX executable, which is the one OSX loads when you click on the Pd application. I think it's in a folder labeled "MACOSX". Unlike when opening the app, each time you activate this file it opens Pd again. You can have as many as you want this way, just like on Linux.
You can also achieve the same effect by opening a Terminal. Nothing special here: Pd.app will look like an ordinary folder. This will be easy if you already know how to use the Terminal in OSX or Linux.
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Thanks jack .. What message do I need to send to [pdp_glx] in order for it to open an external capture device i.e (a webcam) .. I cannot find anything on this in the help in PD or in the help patch for the object itself ..
Dave
On 8/6/07, jack@rybn.org jack@rybn.org wrote:
Good to know that ! thx.
Jack
On Mon, 6 Aug 2007, David Divilly wrote:
I was wondering if you could pass on that work around for using
multiple
instances of PD for mac .. Thanks a lot
Open the Finder
Get to the Pd application.
Right-click (or Control-click) and select "show package contents". This
is
because apps are not real "regular files", they are disguised folders.
dig a bit. (there are too many folder levels in there)
one of the files inside is actually a true OSX executable, which is the one OSX loads when you click on the Pd application. I think it's in a folder labeled "MACOSX". Unlike when opening the app, each time you activate this file it opens Pd again. You can have as many as you want this way, just like on Linux.
You can also achieve the same effect by opening a Terminal. Nothing special here: Pd.app will look like an ordinary folder. This will be
easy
if you already know how to use the Terminal in OSX or Linux.
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With a webcam on firewire the [pdp_ieee1394] object is for you. Now have a look at pdp or pidip in reference.
Jack
Thanks jack .. What message do I need to send to [pdp_glx] in order for it to open an external capture device i.e (a webcam) .. I cannot find anything on this in the help in PD or in the help patch for the object itself ..
Dave
On 8/6/07, jack@rybn.org jack@rybn.org wrote:
Good to know that ! thx.
Jack
On Mon, 6 Aug 2007, David Divilly wrote:
I was wondering if you could pass on that work around for using
multiple
instances of PD for mac .. Thanks a lot
Open the Finder
Get to the Pd application.
Right-click (or Control-click) and select "show package contents".
This is
because apps are not real "regular files", they are disguised folders.
dig a bit. (there are too many folder levels in there)
one of the files inside is actually a true OSX executable, which is
the
one OSX loads when you click on the Pd application. I think it's in a folder labeled "MACOSX". Unlike when opening the app, each time you activate this file it opens Pd again. You can have as many as you want this way, just like on Linux.
You can also achieve the same effect by opening a Terminal. Nothing special here: Pd.app will look like an ordinary folder. This will be
easy
if you already know how to use the Terminal in OSX or Linux.
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Thanks Jack .. Had a look at [pdp_ieee1394] .. but all my webcams are USB .. what I really want to know is what object will allow me to open these webcams like [pdp_v4l] (for linux) in OS X .. as per Example13 in the browser .. .. I've attached a shot of the patch so it clearer ...
Thanks Dave
On 8/7/07, jack@rybn.org jack@rybn.org wrote:
With a webcam on firewire the [pdp_ieee1394] object is for you. Now have a look at pdp or pidip in reference.
Jack
Thanks jack .. What message do I need to send to [pdp_glx] in order for it to open an external capture device i.e (a webcam) .. I cannot find anything on this in the help in PD or in the help patch for the object itself ..
Dave
On 8/6/07, jack@rybn.org jack@rybn.org wrote:
Good to know that ! thx.
Jack
On Mon, 6 Aug 2007, David Divilly wrote:
I was wondering if you could pass on that work around for using
multiple
instances of PD for mac .. Thanks a lot
Open the Finder
Get to the Pd application.
Right-click (or Control-click) and select "show package contents".
This is
because apps are not real "regular files", they are disguised
folders.
dig a bit. (there are too many folder levels in there)
one of the files inside is actually a true OSX executable, which is
the
one OSX loads when you click on the Pd application. I think it's in a
folder labeled "MACOSX". Unlike when opening the app, each time you activate this file it opens Pd again. You can have as many as you
want
this way, just like on Linux.
You can also achieve the same effect by opening a Terminal. Nothing special here: Pd.app will look like an ordinary folder. This will be
easy
if you already know how to use the Terminal in OSX or Linux.
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Linux uses a different device structure (Video4Linux) for video input than OS X, so [pdp_v4l] will never work.
In short, Linux users can access a USB camera with [pdp_v4l], but not a firewire one. OS X users can access a firewire camera with [pdp_ieee1394], but not a USB one.
If you use GEM on OS X, you can access either. You might need the macam drivers to use the USB camera:
http://webcam-osx.sourceforge.net/
best, d.
David Divilly wrote:
Thanks Jack .. Had a look at [pdp_ieee1394] .. but all my webcams are USB .. what I really want to know is what object will allow me to open these webcams like [pdp_v4l] (for linux) in OS X .. as per Example13 in the browser ..
Thanks Derek .. I was using GEM already and that was my original problem, because I wanted to have multiple GEM windows open to show all 3 Cam's at once in one instance of PD .. I'm using the webcams to detect motion and supply XYZ coordinates to a scanned synthesis patch ... I've attached a shot of the motion detection patch to make things clearer ..
Dave
On 8/7/07, Derek Holzer derek@umatic.nl wrote:
Linux uses a different device structure (Video4Linux) for video input than OS X, so [pdp_v4l] will never work.
In short, Linux users can access a USB camera with [pdp_v4l], but not a firewire one. OS X users can access a firewire camera with [pdp_ieee1394], but not a USB one.
If you use GEM on OS X, you can access either. You might need the macam drivers to use the USB camera:
http://webcam-osx.sourceforge.net/
best, d.
David Divilly wrote:
Thanks Jack .. Had a look at [pdp_ieee1394] .. but all my webcams are USB .. what I really want to know is what object will allow me to open these webcams like [pdp_v4l] (for linux) in OS X .. as per Example13 in the browser ..
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I thought I read about a source-patch in the CVS version of GEM that allows multiple GEM windows. Check the archives about this, since I don't know more than that. Another option would be to map each camera onto a different square and put all the squares into one [gemwin].
best, d.
David Divilly wrote:
Thanks Derek .. I was using GEM already and that was my original problem, because I wanted to have multiple GEM windows open to show all 3 Cam's at once in one instance of PD ..
You don't need three windows to have three cams in GEM. SIze the one window 3X by Y and tile the images across. Do you even need to see the video onscreen beyond testing?
On 8/7/07, David Divilly davedivilly@gmail.com wrote:
Thanks Derek .. I was using GEM already and that was my original problem, because I wanted to have multiple GEM windows open to show all 3 Cam's at once in one instance of PD .. I'm using the webcams to detect motion and supply XYZ coordinates to a scanned synthesis patch ... I've attached a shot of the motion detection patch to make things clearer ..
Dave
Hi Chris Thanks for this info .. Worked pefectly .. Thanks
On 8/7/07, chris clepper cgclepper@gmail.com wrote:
You don't need three windows to have three cams in GEM. SIze the one window 3X by Y and tile the images across. Do you even need to see the video onscreen beyond testing?
On 8/7/07, David Divilly davedivilly@gmail.com wrote:
Thanks Derek .. I was using GEM already and that was my original problem, because I wanted to have multiple GEM windows open to show all 3 Cam's at once in one instance of PD .. I'm using the webcams to detect motion and supply XYZ coordinates to a scanned synthesis patch ... I've attached a shot of the motion detection patch to make things clearer ..
Dave
Derek Holzer wrote:
Linux uses a different device structure (Video4Linux) for video input than OS X, so [pdp_v4l] will never work.
In short, Linux users can access a USB camera with [pdp_v4l], but not a firewire one. OS X users can access a firewire camera with [pdp_ieee1394], but not a USB one.
nope, some USB webcams will work, it uses Quicktime interface in fact like Gem.
hum, sevy
If you use GEM on OS X, you can access either. You might need the macam drivers to use the USB camera:
http://webcam-osx.sourceforge.net/
best, d.
David Divilly wrote:
Thanks Jack .. Had a look at [pdp_ieee1394] .. but all my webcams are USB .. what I really want to know is what object will allow me to open these webcams like [pdp_v4l] (for linux) in OS X .. as per Example13 in the browser ..
HI Yves,
Yves Degoyon wrote:
Derek Holzer wrote:
In short, Linux users can access a USB camera with [pdp_v4l], but not a firewire one. OS X users can access a firewire camera with [pdp_ieee1394], but not a USB one.
nope, some USB webcams will work, it uses Quicktime interface in fact like Gem.
That's good to know! I guess more documentation/experimentation is needed...
d.
On Aug 7, 2007, at 11:11 PM, Derek Holzer wrote:
HI Yves,
Yves Degoyon wrote:
Derek Holzer wrote:
In short, Linux users can access a USB camera with [pdp_v4l], but
not a firewire one. OS X users can access a firewire camera with [pdp_ieee1394], but
not a USB one.nope, some USB webcams will work, it uses Quicktime interface in fact like Gem.
That's good to know! I guess more documentation/experimentation is
needed...
pdp_ieee1394 is really more like pdp_quicktimein. If the camera is
supported by quicktime, I think it'll work with pdp_ieee1394. The
USB iSight in my MacBook Pro works well.
.hc
d.
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Am 06.08.2007 um 17:42 schrieb Mathieu Bouchard:
time you activate this file it opens Pd again. You can have as
many as you want this way, just like on Linux.
interesting. by the way, is there a way on linux so it doesn't open
all the time a new instance when i doubleclick on a pd file?
max
On Mon, 6 Aug 2007, Max Neupert wrote:
Am 06.08.2007 um 17:42 schrieb Mathieu Bouchard:
time you activate this file it opens Pd again. You can have as many as you want this way, just like on Linux.
interesting. by the way, is there a way on linux so it doesn't open all the time a new instance when i doubleclick on a pd file?
I can show you how to do this tomorrow if you come to the Montréal Pd users group at Marc Fournel's atelier... 19:00
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Hi,
May you explain it to me as well Mathieu ?
A Paris/Montréal flight might have been a bit too expensive for such a workaround...
++
Jé
Mathieu Bouchard a écrit :
On Mon, 6 Aug 2007, Max Neupert wrote:
Am 06.08.2007 um 17:42 schrieb Mathieu Bouchard:
time you activate this file it opens Pd again. You can have as many as you want this way, just like on Linux.
interesting. by the way, is there a way on linux so it doesn't open all the time a new instance when i doubleclick on a pd file?
I can show you how to do this tomorrow if you come to the Montréal Pd users group at Marc Fournel's atelier... 19:00
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On Sat, 11 Aug 2007, Jerome Tuncer wrote:
May you explain it to me as well Mathieu ?
We haven't actually tried, but it involves sending to the pd object a "open" message from a small patch controlled by [netreceive]. Then, from outside pd, try to netsend the filename to the default port, and if connection is refused, then start that small patch. This patch can be hidden by sending "vis 0" to its own receive-symbol, via [namecanvas] or the other way.
Makes sense?
A Paris/Montréal flight might have been a bit too expensive for such a workaround...
Le truc, c'est qu'il faut trouver plus de choses à faire à Montréal en même temps, pour amortir les coûts... :)
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Mathieu Bouchard a écrit :
On Sat, 11 Aug 2007, Jerome Tuncer wrote:
May you explain it to me as well Mathieu ?
We haven't actually tried, but it involves sending to the pd object a "open" message from a small patch controlled by [netreceive]. Then, from outside pd, try to netsend the filename to the default port, and if connection is refused, then start that small patch. This patch can be hidden by sending "vis 0" to its own receive-symbol, via [namecanvas] or the other way.
Makes sense?
Kind of does yeah.
If I folow you it then involves that the window manager (call it whatever you want, but the program that calls pd to open when a double click is issued on a patch file) talks netsend to a patch already inside pd. Don't programs, like xmms for instance, usually kind of detect there's already an instance running and thus tell it to open the once-again-clicked-supported-filetype instead of running a new one ? Is this task OS or program-wise ? (er... I'm a noob programer).
A Paris/Montréal flight might have been a bit too expensive for such a workaround...
Le truc, c'est qu'il faut trouver plus de choses à faire à Montréal en même temps, pour amortir les coûts... :)
Sure would have more things to do there but... l'emploi du temps est rempli pour le moment (-:
++
Jé
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