Hello list,
a couple more assorted suggestions with no specific logic:
- is seems that the old trick of simulating graphical depth by deleting
something and undoing it so that it appears on top doesn't work anymore. I would say it even affects old patches, but I can't confirm this. Is this a consequence of the new undo routine? This isn't necessarily bad, but it's a change in habits. E.g. instead of deleting+undoing, the object can be duplicated instead (and the position corrected).
- undo doesn't work on change of gui settings (color, variables, ...). But
this behaviour was the same in previous versions, just a reminder.
- when hovering over gui objects, the mouse pointer changes direction. This
was the case also for arrays, but it doesn't seem to be anymore? Also, before to edit an array it was necessary to click in a defined value
- now it's possible to click anywhere.
- the horizontal slider shortcut changed, but I'm not seeing it used
anywhere else (- small detail: most shortcuts are described in the menus as "Ctrl+Shift+...", others as "Shift+Ctrl+...". I guess the first is the norm?) [maybe I wasn't paying attention to these changes in previous editions and they're documented for a long time]
A curiosity: where is defined the vertical distance for new objects added automatically? I would like to change it if possible.
Also, before to edit an array it was necessary to click in a defined value - now it's possible to click anywhere.
this has been the case in Vanilla for as long as I can think back and for me, personally, it makes sense. maybe it could be nice to have a "steady on click" option in addition to the default "jump on click" (analogous to HSlider / VSlider).
Gesendet: Samstag, 15. Dezember 2018 um 13:02 Uhr Von: "João Pais" jmmmpais@gmail.com An: "pd-list@lists.iem.at" pd-list@mail.iem.at Betreff: [PD] Vanilla suggestions 2
Hello list, a couple more assorted suggestions with no specific logic:
- is seems that the old trick of simulating graphical depth by deleting something and undoing it so that it appears on top doesn't work anymore. I would say it even affects old patches, but I can't confirm this. Is this a consequence of the new undo routine?
This isn't necessarily bad, but it's a change in habits. E.g. instead of deleting+undoing, the object can be duplicated instead (and the position corrected).
- undo doesn't work on change of gui settings (color, variables, ...). But this behaviour was the same in previous versions, just a reminder.
- when hovering over gui objects, the mouse pointer changes direction. This was the case also for arrays, but it doesn't seem to be anymore?
Also, before to edit an array it was necessary to click in a defined value - now it's possible to click anywhere.
- the horizontal slider shortcut changed, but I'm not seeing it used anywhere else
(- small detail: most shortcuts are described in the menus as "Ctrl+Shift+...", others as "Shift+Ctrl+...". I guess the first is the norm?) [maybe I wasn't paying attention to these changes in previous editions and they're documented for a long time] A curiosity: where is defined the vertical distance for new objects added automatically? I would like to change it if possible._______________________________________________ Pd-list@lists.iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
To me one of the greatest disturbing things about arrays is that the mouse can draw even outside the canvas borders.
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On Sat, Dec 15, 2018 at 2:21 PM Christof Ressi christof.ressi@gmx.at wrote:
Also, before to edit an array it was necessary to click in a defined
value - now it's possible to click anywhere.
this has been the case in Vanilla for as long as I can think back and for me, personally, it makes sense. maybe it could be nice to have a "steady on click" option in addition to the default "jump on click" (analogous to HSlider / VSlider).
Gesendet: Samstag, 15. Dezember 2018 um 13:02 Uhr Von: "João Pais" jmmmpais@gmail.com An: "pd-list@lists.iem.at" pd-list@mail.iem.at Betreff: [PD] Vanilla suggestions 2
Hello list,
a couple more assorted suggestions with no specific logic:
- is seems that the old trick of simulating graphical depth by deleting
something and undoing it so that it appears on top doesn't work anymore. I would say it even affects old patches, but I can't confirm this. Is this a consequence of the new undo routine? This isn't necessarily bad, but it's a change in habits. E.g. instead of deleting+undoing, the object can be duplicated instead (and the position corrected).
- undo doesn't work on change of gui settings (color, variables, ...). But
this behaviour was the same in previous versions, just a reminder.
- when hovering over gui objects, the mouse pointer changes direction.
This was the case also for arrays, but it doesn't seem to be anymore? Also, before to edit an array it was necessary to click in a defined value
- now it's possible to click anywhere.
- the horizontal slider shortcut changed, but I'm not seeing it used
anywhere else (- small detail: most shortcuts are described in the menus as "Ctrl+Shift+...", others as "Shift+Ctrl+...". I guess the first is the norm?) [maybe I wasn't paying attention to these changes in previous editions and they're documented for a long time]
A curiosity: where is defined the vertical distance for new objects added automatically? I would like to change it if possible._______________________________________________ Pd-list@lists.iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
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On 15.12.18 13:02, João Pais wrote:
- is seems that the old trick of simulating graphical depth by deleting
something and undoing it so that it appears on top doesn't work anymore. I would say it even affects old patches, but I can't confirm this. Is this a consequence of the new undo routine?
This has been discussed on the list and in this github issue:
On 12/15/18 1:02 PM, João Pais wrote:
- undo doesn't work on change of gui settings (color, variables, ...). But
this behaviour was the same in previous versions, just a reminder.
well, this is somewhat intended behaviour. changing the GUI-settings is similar to sending messages to an object (under the hood). so if you start a [metro 1000] by sending it "1", you cannot undo it. similarily you cannot undo the [color( message sent to a GUI via the properties.
from a user's POV the difference is, that sending a "1" to the [metro 1000] is happending in "run mode", whereas changing the properties is (conceptually) happening in "edit mode".
- the horizontal slider shortcut changed, but I'm not seeing it used
anywhere else
iirc this has popped up on the list at least once before. the reason being that on macOS the old short-cut Shift+Cmd+H is already taken by the OS, making it unusable for Pd's purposes. in order to have constistent shortcuts across all OSs, it was changed to a value that is usable on all OSs.
i thought about writing a plugin to manually configure the keyboard-shortcuts, but had it postponed (as it was not so simple after all :-))
(- small detail: most shortcuts are described in the menus as "Ctrl+Shift+...", others as "Shift+Ctrl+...". I guess the first is the norm?)
the problem is, that there is no real norm (it's different on OSX and Windows; and on Linux there's no real standard). i agree that it should be consistent within Pd (and thought that i fixed it, but obviously did not).
gfmdsar <IOhannes
João Pais wrote:
A curiosity: where is defined the vertical distance for new objects added automatically? I would like to change it if possible.
It is defined g_text.c, in the function canvas_howputnew()https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data/blob/7c27aa0ad505bb4802eee3fc40886836c814353f/src/g_text.c#L148
Currently there is no way to configure that without changing the source code but it would be nice to be able to configure that in the preferences. We need more customization options. Maybe an preference panel dedicated to patching stuff.
Cheers, Henri.
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