Hello Lucarda,
My PC is running under Windows 10 Pro 64-bit 22H2 (build 19045.3208), and yes it has tasklist.exe v.10.0.19041.1. as of 2019/07/12. Unfortunately I still can't run Pd Vanilla 0.54.0 since I tried to update it about one month ago. See my previous emails on this subject.
- All the following tests are done with my Avast antivirus totally disabled.
- While Pd is running, run the installer 'Pd-0.54-x.windows-installer.exe'
- Trying to run Pd but nothing on the screen, only Wish Application is running in the background.
- Now running Pd-0.54-x.windows-installer.exe, at the 4th window there are 3 choices: . Continue (normal installation) . Clear Pd preferences and exit . Repair Pd(64) defaults to open .pd files and exit I choose Continue
- On the 5th screen I get: . Run the uninstaller (recommended) . Install as an alternate app . Continue I choose Cancel
I reboot my PC under Windows.
- Pd is not running, run the installer 'Pd-0.54-x.windows-installer.exe'
- I checked than neither Wisk nor Pd are running, which is the case.
- Now running Pd-0.54-x.windows-installer.exe at the 4th window there are 3 choices (same as in above 1.): . Continue (normal installation) . Clear Pd preferences and exit . Repair Pd(64) defaults to open .pd files and exit I choose Continue
- On the 5th screen I get (same as in above 1.): . Run the uninstaller (recommended) . Install as an alternate app . Continue I choose Cancel
QUESTION: Is it safe in my case to run your 'Pd-0.54-x.windows-installer.exe' to see if I can get Pd 0.54.0 finally working on my PC ?
Thanks. Best, Joseph Gastelais
-----Message d'origine----- De : Pd-list [mailto:pd-list-bounces@lists.iem.at] De la part de Lucas Cordiviola Envoyé : mardi 8 août 2023 08:57 À : Pd-List Objet : [PD] Calling for Pd Windows installer tests.
Hi list,
We are working on a safer and better Pd Windows installer. We call for a bit of testing to check if it's working on all Windows versions (editions).
We are not sure if the installer is able to find out if there are any running Pd app at the time the installer runs.
The test is simple:
get an installer (any of the two should work) from: https://nc.nubegris.com.ar/index.php/s/E7Pyg3M9ZA7Hygo
run the installer while Pd is running.
- EXPECTED: at some point, before actually installing, a window
will pop saying it refuses to continue and the installer will quit.
- run the installer without Pd running.
- EXPECTED: here you should be able to get the installer running until -A) you are asked to uninstall Pd. you don't have do anything
else, just quit. -B) in case you don't have Pd installed, until you have to choose the path for installation, you don't have to install the app, just quit.
To detect if Pd is running we are using an internal Windows command "tasklist.exe" but we are not sure if it's available on all Windows versions (editions).
We know it works on: WinXP [i386] (pro) Win8.1 [amd64] (pro) Win10 [amd64] (enterprise) (home) Win11 [amd64] (pro)
Please if you have a couple of minutes run the test and post back if the installer is not working as EXPECTED.
Thanks, Lucarda
Hi Joseph,
I'm following your case and it's the cause for having a "safer" installer for good.
In your case we know that pd.exe or pd.com (these are the ones we filter via tasklist.exe) refuses to open because is blacklisted by the OS so detection is not working as expected (for your case, of course).
Is it safe in my case to run your 'Pd-0.54-x.windows-installer.exe' to see if I can get Pd 0.54.0 finally working on my PC ?
You could try it but I expect it won't work because all files, are taken from Miller's builds and pd.exe, pd.com and pd.dll are the exact same ones you got blacklisted.
But if you desperately need 0.54-0 you can use the installer new tool and do this pseudo install:
IIRC you could run the GDB-Pd[*] app you got from
https://nc.nubegris.com.ar/index.php/s/eKrTbHE4iyqAgAg
uncompress the folder somewhere in your machine
run the test installer
- get into: "Repair Pd(64) defaults to open .pd files and exit"
- select the main folder of your extracted GDB-Pd[*]
- voilà: now .pd files opens with that Pd which is rather the same you get with the app installed. Note that you don't have any start menu, desktop short-cut, and other stuff so to start the app you only need to double-click on any .pd file. (and yes, with this tool all subsequent double-clicks on .pd files opens in the same Pd instance)
[*] this app contains a 32bit tcl/tk. AFAICT the only thing that does not work is the dnd-plugin.
Lucarda
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On 08/08/2023 08:41, Linux ROUEN wrote:
Hello Lucarda,
My PC is running under Windows 10 Pro 64-bit 22H2 (build 19045.3208), and yes it has tasklist.exe v.10.0.19041.1. as of 2019/07/12. Unfortunately I still can't run Pd Vanilla 0.54.0 since I tried to update it about one month ago. See my previous emails on this subject.
- All the following tests are done with my Avast antivirus totally disabled.
- While Pd is running, run the installer 'Pd-0.54-x.windows-installer.exe'
- Trying to run Pd but nothing on the screen, only Wish Application is running in the background.
- Now running Pd-0.54-x.windows-installer.exe, at the 4th window there are 3 choices: . Continue (normal installation) . Clear Pd preferences and exit . Repair Pd(64) defaults to open .pd files and exit I choose Continue
- On the 5th screen I get: . Run the uninstaller (recommended) . Install as an alternate app . Continue I choose Cancel
I reboot my PC under Windows.
- Pd is not running, run the installer 'Pd-0.54-x.windows-installer.exe'
- I checked than neither Wisk nor Pd are running, which is the case.
- Now running Pd-0.54-x.windows-installer.exe at the 4th window there are 3 choices (same as in above 1.): . Continue (normal installation) . Clear Pd preferences and exit . Repair Pd(64) defaults to open .pd files and exit I choose Continue
- On the 5th screen I get (same as in above 1.): . Run the uninstaller (recommended) . Install as an alternate app . Continue I choose Cancel
QUESTION: Is it safe in my case to run your 'Pd-0.54-x.windows-installer.exe' to see if I can get Pd 0.54.0 finally working on my PC ?
Thanks. Best, Joseph Gastelais
Hello Lucarda, Thanks for your suggestions. I will test them later on.
But I think we are not searching in the right direction, at least for my PC setup. So I have made further investigations.
I think the culprit on my PC could be the new 'pd.dll' file introduced in Pd v.0.54.0. See the attached zip file containing 3 screen captures highlighting what I'm saying:
- Pd 0.53.2 without installation with 'pd.com' ran directly from H:\JOE-W10\Donwloads\pd-0.53-2\bin. It's launching Okay.
- Pd 0.54.0 without installation with 'pd.com' ran directly from H:\JOE-W10\Donwloads\pd-0.54-0\bin. It's NOT launching at all, just 1 or 2 seconds but nothing on the screen, as during all my previous tests.
- Pd 0.54.0 without installation, but its 'pd.dll' replaced with the one from 0.53.2, with 'pd.com' ran directly from H:\JOE-W10\Donwloads\pd-0.54-0-modified\bin. NOW, it's launching Okay.
What do you think about that? Best, Joseph
-----Message d'origine----- De : Pd-list [mailto:pd-list-bounces@lists.iem.at] De la part de Lucas Cordiviola Envoyé : mardi 8 août 2023 14:44 À : pd-list@lists.iem.at Objet : Re: [PD] Calling for Pd Windows installer tests.
Hi Joseph,
I'm following your case and it's the cause for having a "safer" installer for good.
In your case we know that pd.exe or pd.com (these are the ones we filter via tasklist.exe) refuses to open because is blacklisted by the OS so detection is not working as expected (for your case, of course).
Is it safe in my case to run your 'Pd-0.54-x.windows-installer.exe' to see if I can get Pd 0.54.0 finally working on my PC ?
You could try it but I expect it won't work because all files, are taken from Miller's builds and pd.exe, pd.com and pd.dll are the exact same ones you got blacklisted.
But if you desperately need 0.54-0 you can use the installer new tool and do this pseudo install:
IIRC you could run the GDB-Pd[*] app you got from https://nc.nubegris.com.ar/index.php/s/eKrTbHE4iyqAgAg
- uncompress the folder somewhere in your machine
- run the test installer
- get into: "Repair Pd(64) defaults to open .pd files and exit"
- select the main folder of your extracted GDB-Pd[*]
- voilà: now .pd files opens with that Pd which is rather the
- select the main folder of your extracted GDB-Pd[*]
- get into: "Repair Pd(64) defaults to open .pd files and exit"
same you get with the app installed. Note that you don't have any start menu, desktop short-cut, and other stuff so to start the app you only need to double-click on any .pd file. (and yes, with this tool all subsequent double-clicks on .pd files opens in the same Pd instance)
[*] this app contains a 32bit tcl/tk. AFAICT the only thing that does not work is the dnd-plugin.
Lucarda
Mensaje telepatico asistido por maquinas. = = = = = = = = = = On 08/08/2023 08:41, Linux ROUEN wrote:
Hello Lucarda,
My PC is running under Windows 10 Pro 64-bit 22H2 (build 19045.3208), and yes it has tasklist.exe v.10.0.19041.1. as of 2019/07/12. Unfortunately I still can't run Pd Vanilla 0.54.0 since I tried to update it about one month ago. See my previous emails on this subject.
- All the following tests are done with my Avast antivirus totally disabled.
- While Pd is running, run the installer 'Pd-0.54-x.windows-installer.exe'
- Trying to run Pd but nothing on the screen, only Wish Application is running in the background.
- Now running Pd-0.54-x.windows-installer.exe, at the 4th window there are 3 choices: . Continue (normal installation) . Clear Pd preferences and exit . Repair Pd(64) defaults to open .pd files and exit I choose Continue
- On the 5th screen I get: . Run the uninstaller (recommended) . Install as an alternate app . Continue I choose Cancel
I reboot my PC under Windows.
- Pd is not running, run the installer 'Pd-0.54-x.windows-installer.exe'
- I checked than neither Wisk nor Pd are running, which is the case.
- Now running Pd-0.54-x.windows-installer.exe at the 4th window there are 3 choices (same as in above 1.): . Continue (normal installation) . Clear Pd preferences and exit . Repair Pd(64) defaults to open .pd files and exit I choose Continue
- On the 5th screen I get (same as in above 1.): . Run the uninstaller (recommended) . Install as an alternate app . Continue I choose Cancel
QUESTION: Is it safe in my case to run your 'Pd-0.54-x.windows-installer.exe' to see if I can get Pd 0.54.0 finally working on my PC ?
Thanks. Best, Joseph Gastelais
Pd-list@lists.iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Hi Joseph,
- Pd 0.54.0 without installation, but its 'pd.dll' replaced with the one from 0.53.2, with 'pd.com' ran directly from H:\JOE-W10\Donwloads\pd-0.54-0-modified\bin. NOW, it's launching Okay.
on Windows, pd.dll actually contains all the code and pd.exe/pd.com are just tiny shims, so your result is not too surprising.
Christof
On 08.08.2023 19:43, Linux ROUEN wrote:
Hello Lucarda, Thanks for your suggestions. I will test them later on.
But I think we are not searching in the right direction, at least for my PC setup. So I have made further investigations.
I think the culprit on my PC could be the new 'pd.dll' file introduced in Pd v.0.54.0. See the attached zip file containing 3 screen captures highlighting what I'm saying:
- Pd 0.53.2 without installation with 'pd.com' ran directly from H:\JOE-W10\Donwloads\pd-0.53-2\bin. It's launching Okay.
- Pd 0.54.0 without installation with 'pd.com' ran directly from H:\JOE-W10\Donwloads\pd-0.54-0\bin. It's NOT launching at all, just 1 or 2 seconds but nothing on the screen, as during all my previous tests.
- Pd 0.54.0 without installation, but its 'pd.dll' replaced with the one from 0.53.2, with 'pd.com' ran directly from H:\JOE-W10\Donwloads\pd-0.54-0-modified\bin. NOW, it's launching Okay.
What do you think about that? Best, Joseph
-----Message d'origine----- De : Pd-list [mailto:pd-list-bounces@lists.iem.at] De la part de Lucas Cordiviola Envoyé : mardi 8 août 2023 14:44 À : pd-list@lists.iem.at Objet : Re: [PD] Calling for Pd Windows installer tests.
Hi Joseph,
I'm following your case and it's the cause for having a "safer" installer for good.
In your case we know that pd.exe or pd.com (these are the ones we filter via tasklist.exe) refuses to open because is blacklisted by the OS so detection is not working as expected (for your case, of course).
Is it safe in my case to run your 'Pd-0.54-x.windows-installer.exe' to see if I can get Pd 0.54.0 finally working on my PC ?
You could try it but I expect it won't work because all files, are taken from Miller's builds and pd.exe, pd.com and pd.dll are the exact same ones you got blacklisted.
But if you desperately need 0.54-0 you can use the installer new tool and do this pseudo install:
IIRC you could run the GDB-Pd[*] app you got from https://nc.nubegris.com.ar/index.php/s/eKrTbHE4iyqAgAg
- uncompress the folder somewhere in your machine
- run the test installer
- get into: "Repair Pd(64) defaults to open .pd files and exit"
- select the main folder of your extracted GDB-Pd[*]
- voilà: now .pd files opens with that Pd which is rather the
same you get with the app installed. Note that you don't have any start menu, desktop short-cut, and other stuff so to start the app you only need to double-click on any .pd file. (and yes, with this tool all subsequent double-clicks on .pd files opens in the same Pd instance)
[*] this app contains a 32bit tcl/tk. AFAICT the only thing that does not work is the dnd-plugin.
Lucarda
Mensaje telepatico asistido por maquinas. = = = = = = = = = = On 08/08/2023 08:41, Linux ROUEN wrote:
Hello Lucarda,
My PC is running under Windows 10 Pro 64-bit 22H2 (build 19045.3208), and yes it has tasklist.exe v.10.0.19041.1. as of 2019/07/12. Unfortunately I still can't run Pd Vanilla 0.54.0 since I tried to update it about one month ago. See my previous emails on this subject.
- All the following tests are done with my Avast antivirus totally disabled.
- While Pd is running, run the installer 'Pd-0.54-x.windows-installer.exe'
- Trying to run Pd but nothing on the screen, only Wish Application is running in the background.
- Now running Pd-0.54-x.windows-installer.exe, at the 4th window there are 3 choices: . Continue (normal installation) . Clear Pd preferences and exit . Repair Pd(64) defaults to open .pd files and exit I choose Continue
- On the 5th screen I get: . Run the uninstaller (recommended) . Install as an alternate app . Continue I choose Cancel
I reboot my PC under Windows.
- Pd is not running, run the installer 'Pd-0.54-x.windows-installer.exe'
- I checked than neither Wisk nor Pd are running, which is the case.
- Now running Pd-0.54-x.windows-installer.exe at the 4th window there are 3 choices (same as in above 1.): . Continue (normal installation) . Clear Pd preferences and exit . Repair Pd(64) defaults to open .pd files and exit I choose Continue
- On the 5th screen I get (same as in above 1.): . Run the uninstaller (recommended) . Install as an alternate app . Continue I choose Cancel
QUESTION: Is it safe in my case to run your 'Pd-0.54-x.windows-installer.exe' to see if I can get Pd 0.54.0 finally working on my PC ?
Thanks. Best, Joseph Gastelais
Pd-list@lists.iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
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Hi Joseph,
No don't do that. you'll get a 0.53.2 Pd (ie, you wont get all the new multichannel stuff). As Christof said all the code it's on pd.dll.
You should consult your AVAST settings to try to un-quarantine pd.dll. or use my previous suggestion on GDB-Pd[*] app and new-installer-tool.
Lucarda
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On 08/08/2023 21:53, Christof Ressi wrote:
Hi Joseph,
- Pd 0.54.0 without installation, but its 'pd.dll' replaced with the
one from 0.53.2, with 'pd.com' ran directly from H:\JOE-W10\Donwloads\pd-0.54-0-modified\bin. NOW, it's launching Okay.
Hello Christof,
These last tests were made to question what Lucarda was pointing out: /"In your case we know that pd.exe or pd.com (these are the ones we filter via tasklist.exe) refuses to open because is blacklisted by the OS so detection is not working as expected (for your case, of course)."/
As during these tests Avast was totally disabled, none of pd.com, pd.exe and/or pd.dll could be backlisted, the same for the system. In add prior disabling my AV, I have checked Avast quarantine and nothing about any pd.*, the same for the system.
Current thinking: The setup of my PC is not compatible with the modifications/adds introduced into pd.dll 0.54.0. I will now test the GDB-Pd[*] app workaround suggested by Lucarda.
Note: I'm also waiting for the next release of Plugdata based on Pd 0.54.0 to see if the issue is the same or not. The test with Purr Data 2.19.3, which is working well, is not relevant as it's still using Pd 0.48.0.
Best, Joseph
Le 09/08/2023 à 02:53, Christof Ressi a écrit :
Hi Joseph,
- Pd 0.54.0 without installation, but its 'pd.dll' replaced with the
one from 0.53.2, with 'pd.com' ran directly from H:\JOE-W10\Donwloads\pd-0.54-0-modified\bin. NOW, it's launching Okay.
on Windows, pd.dll actually contains all the code and pd.exe/pd.com are just tiny shims, so your result is not too surprising.
Christof = = = = = = = = = = On 08.08.2023 19:43, Linux ROUEN wrote:
Hello Lucarda, Thanks for your suggestions. I will test them later on.
But I think we are not searching in the right direction, at least for my PC setup. So I have made further investigations.
I think the culprit on my PC could be the new 'pd.dll' file introduced in Pd v.0.54.0. See the attached zip file containing 3 screen captures highlighting what I'm saying:
- Pd 0.53.2 without installation with 'pd.com' ran directly from
H:\JOE-W10\Donwloads\pd-0.53-2\bin. It's launching Okay. 2. Pd 0.54.0 without installation with 'pd.com' ran directly from H:\JOE-W10\Donwloads\pd-0.54-0\bin. It's NOT launching at all, just 1 or 2 seconds but nothing on the screen, as during all my previous tests. 3. Pd 0.54.0 without installation, but its 'pd.dll' replaced with the one from 0.53.2, with 'pd.com' ran directly from H:\JOE-W10\Donwloads\pd-0.54-0-modified\bin. NOW, it's launching Okay.
What do you think about that? Best, Joseph
-----Message d'origine----- De : Pd-list [mailto:pd-list-bounces@lists.iem.at] De la part de Lucas Cordiviola Envoyé : mardi 8 août 2023 14:44 À : pd-list@lists.iem.at Objet : Re: [PD] Calling for Pd Windows installer tests.
Hi Joseph,
I'm following your case and it's the cause for having a "safer" installer for good.
In your case we know that pd.exe or pd.com (these are the ones we filter via tasklist.exe) refuses to open because is blacklisted by the OS so detection is not working as expected (for your case, of course).
Is it safe in my case to run your 'Pd-0.54-x.windows-installer.exe' to see if I can get Pd 0.54.0 finally working on my PC ?
You could try it but I expect it won't work because all files, are taken from Miller's builds and pd.exe, pd.com and pd.dll are the exact same ones you got blacklisted.
But if you desperately need 0.54-0 you can use the installer new tool and do this pseudo install:
IIRC you could run the GDB-Pd[*] app you got from https://nc.nubegris.com.ar/index.php/s/eKrTbHE4iyqAgAg
- uncompress the folder somewhere in your machine
- run the test installer
- get into: "Repair Pd(64) defaults to open .pd files and exit" - select the main folder of your extracted GDB-Pd[*] - voilà: now .pd files opens with that Pd which is rather the same you get with the app installed. Note that you don't have any start menu, desktop short-cut, and other stuff so to start the app you only need to double-click on any .pd file. (and yes, with this tool all subsequent double-clicks on .pd files opens in the same Pd instance)
[*] this app contains a 32bit tcl/tk. AFAICT the only thing that does not work is the dnd-plugin.
Lucarda
Mensaje telepatico asistido por maquinas. = = = = = = = = = = On 08/08/2023 08:41, Linux ROUEN wrote:
Hello Lucarda,
My PC is running under Windows 10 Pro 64-bit 22H2 (build 19045.3208), and yes it has tasklist.exe v.10.0.19041.1. as of 2019/07/12. Unfortunately I still can't run Pd Vanilla 0.54.0 since I tried to update it about one month ago. See my previous emails on this subject.
- All the following tests are done with my Avast antivirus totally
disabled.
- While Pd is running, run the installer
'Pd-0.54-x.windows-installer.exe'
- Trying to run Pd but nothing on the screen, only Wish Application
is running in the background.
- Now running Pd-0.54-x.windows-installer.exe, at the 4th window
there are 3 choices: . Continue (normal installation) . Clear Pd preferences and exit . Repair Pd(64) defaults to open .pd files and exit I choose Continue
- On the 5th screen I get:
. Run the uninstaller (recommended) . Install as an alternate app . Continue I choose Cancel I reboot my PC under Windows.
- Pd is not running, run the installer
'Pd-0.54-x.windows-installer.exe'
- I checked than neither Wisk nor Pd are running, which is the case.
- Now running Pd-0.54-x.windows-installer.exe at the 4th window
there are 3 choices (same as in above 1.): . Continue (normal installation) . Clear Pd preferences and exit . Repair Pd(64) defaults to open .pd files and exit I choose Continue
- On the 5th screen I get (same as in above 1.):
. Run the uninstaller (recommended) . Install as an alternate app . Continue I choose Cancel
QUESTION: Is it safe in my case to run your 'Pd-0.54-x.windows-installer.exe' to see if I can get Pd 0.54.0 finally working on my PC ?
Thanks. Best, Joseph Gastelais
Pd-list@lists.iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
This thread is not supposed to handle your particular issue but here we go.
there is no chance your machine can't handle the 0.54-0 C code. period.
you were able to run GDB-Pd[*] app which is the same C code but in this case pd.dll is much bigger in file size because it has the debug symbols.
Lucarda
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On 09/08/2023 05:08, Linux ROUEN Normandie wrote:
Current thinking: The setup of my PC is not compatible with the modifications/adds introduced into pd.dll 0.54.0. I will now test the GDB-Pd[*] app workaround suggested by Lucarda.
Sorry for the inconvenience!
So, see my very 1st reply which is answering in detail to your "[PD] Calling for Pd Windows installer tests" and forget my included Question.
Joseph
Le 09/08/2023 à 11:38, Lucas Cordiviola a écrit :
This thread is not supposed to handle your particular issue but here we go.
there is no chance your machine can't handle the 0.54-0 C code. period.
you were able to run GDB-Pd[*] app which is the same C code but in this case pd.dll is much bigger in file size because it has the debug symbols.
Lucarda
Mensaje telepatico asistido por maquinas.
On 09/08/2023 05:08, Linux ROUEN Normandie wrote:
Current thinking: The setup of my PC is not compatible with the modifications/adds introduced into pd.dll 0.54.0. I will now test the GDB-Pd[*] app workaround suggested by Lucarda.
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