Hello/ Here's a link to some images of an installation I did last week :
ESPACE.IMAGE Venice http://perso.wanadoo.fr/egm-net/htm/iv1.htm
The installation took place in Venice, Italy. I use PD+GEM+PDP+PiDiP+PMPD on linux. This installation made use of 2 video projectors, a couple webcams, a midi controller and 2 PC's each running PD, communicating via OSC on a local net. PDP was used for motion capture to trigger movement events; the whole room seemed to resonate to the movement of Venice as captured by the webcams aimed out the windows...
Thanks goes out to everyone on this list who directly and indirectly helps-out by both asking questions, giving answers and talking about what they do with PD...
//Brad.Kligerman
IŽm migrating from windows to linux, but to which distro? I intend using PD, sequencers and softsynths.
A friend highly recommended fedora core 4 and the ccrma pack, but I heard about GeeXboX, dyne:bolic, and DeMuDi, which all are called "multimedia distros"..
Therefore: ???
I will appreciate advices!
thanx ref
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My suggestion would be to use Ubuntu to get a basic installation, and add the DeMuDi packages on top of that. Ubuntu should streamline the hardware detection & configuration process quite nicely. The DeMuDi packages could be part of Debian (Unstable/Testing?) already, so it's just a matter of updating the sources you download from.
Fedora is nice but very bloated, and not all the PD externals are there yet. And RedHat/Fedora do things in their own special way, which can make it difficult for non Fedora-users to help you out. OTOH Debian is pretty standard, and shares many similarities with a lot of other distros, so you can find help in a lot more forums, etc.
Dynebolic is OK as a live CD, but pretty much impossible to reconfigure, so I'd skip it for a permanent installation unless you need something working RIGHT NOW ;-)
good luck, d.
Renato Fabbri wrote:
I´m migrating from windows to linux, but to which distro? I intend using PD, sequencers and softsynths.
A friend highly recommended fedora core 4 and the ccrma pack, but I heard about GeeXboX, dyne:bolic, and DeMuDi, which all are called "multimedia distros"..
Le 16 Février 2006 17:04, derek holzer a écrit :
My suggestion would be to use Ubuntu to get a basic installation, and add the DeMuDi packages on top of that. Ubuntu should streamline the hardware detection & configuration process quite nicely. The DeMuDi packages could be part of Debian (Unstable/Testing?) already, so it's just a matter of updating the sources you download from.
Demudi is using some Ubuntu packages. But I'm not sure Demudi is still maintained, and many of its packages are now available in Debian (and/or Ubuntu). As a rule of thumb, it's better not to mix Ubuntu and Debian packages; Ubuntu doesn't care about compatibility with Debian, because Ubuntu have a different agenda than Debian (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarkShuttleworth). So when there's a good package from Ubuntu, it's better to recompile it for Debian (and vice-versa).
Dynebolic is OK as a live CD, but pretty much impossible to reconfigure, so I'd skip it for a permanent installation unless you need something working RIGHT NOW ;-)
I created my own livecd using Kanotix (which is a derivative of Knoppix) and packages from Debian unstable. I can't distribute it "as is" because it contains lots of non-free packages for multimedia support. But I like it better than Dynebolic because it can be installed on a hard drive and used as a good starting point for a complete system. Dynebolic is a carefully crafted livecd with everything compiled from scratch, so basically it's a work of art and it can't be easily extended like Debian. -- Marc
My suggestion would be to use Ubuntu to get a basic installation, and add the DeMuDi packages on top of that. Ubuntu should streamline the hardware detection & configuration process quite nicely. The DeMuDi packages could be part of Debian (Unstable/Testing?) already, so it's just a matter of updating the sources you download from.
you mean I can simply add this line to /etc/apt/sources.list deb http://demudi.agnula.org/packages/demudi stable main
and I can happily install the demudi kernel and stuff? that would be NICE!
I recently tried ubuntu, fedora C4 and debian; ubuntu was the only one correctly self-configuring all my hardware (hp nx6110 laptop)
ciao, davide.
www.davidemorelli.it
you mean I can simply add this line to /etc/apt/sources.list deb http://demudi.agnula.org/packages/demudi stable main
and I can happily install the demudi kernel and stuff? that would be NICE!
its might work in theory (if you take liberal discounts and assumptions regarding dependency versioning, ubuntu's lack of desire on 100% debian compatibility, and the ubuntu/debian-sid snapshot interval, among other things) - i got into dependency hell pretty quickly every time i tried this; the compile time on gentoo ( http://gentoo.org ) is much shorter than the hair-pulling time of trying to roll a 'best of: debian,demudi,ubuntu' system..YMMV
Hello Marc, could you tell us why you choose Kanotix instead of Knoppix to create your custom liveCD/installCD? i once tried with Knoppix and found that it was relatively easy if one follows: http://www.knoppix.net/wiki/Knoppix_Remastering_Howto but unfortunately did not find much time to go on. i also tried Morphix but paradoxically found it slightly more difficult.
greetings, vincent
Marc Lavallée wrote:
Le 16 Février 2006 17:04, derek holzer a écrit :
My suggestion would be to use Ubuntu to get a basic installation, and add the DeMuDi packages on top of that. Ubuntu should streamline the hardware detection & configuration process quite nicely. The DeMuDi packages could be part of Debian (Unstable/Testing?) already, so it's just a matter of updating the sources you download from.
Demudi is using some Ubuntu packages. But I'm not sure Demudi is still maintained, and many of its packages are now available in Debian (and/or Ubuntu). As a rule of thumb, it's better not to mix Ubuntu and Debian packages; Ubuntu doesn't care about compatibility with Debian, because Ubuntu have a different agenda than Debian (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarkShuttleworth). So when there's a good package from Ubuntu, it's better to recompile it for Debian (and vice-versa).
Dynebolic is OK as a live CD, but pretty much impossible to reconfigure, so I'd skip it for a permanent installation unless you need something working RIGHT NOW ;-)
I created my own livecd using Kanotix (which is a derivative of Knoppix) and packages from Debian unstable. I can't distribute it "as is" because it contains lots of non-free packages for multimedia support. But I like it better than Dynebolic because it can be installed on a hard drive and used as a good starting point for a complete system. Dynebolic is a carefully crafted livecd with everything compiled from scratch, so basically it's a work of art and it can't be easily extended like Debian. -- Marc
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Le 16 Février 2006 21:03, vincent rioux a écrit :
Hello Marc, could you tell us why you choose Kanotix instead of Knoppix to create your custom liveCD/installCD?
Because it uses Debian unstable. And because there's more goodies. Kanotix is based on Knoppix. It's a Knoppix on steroids.
i once tried with Knoppix and found that it was relatively easy if one follows: http://www.knoppix.net/wiki/Knoppix_Remastering_Howto but unfortunately did not find much time to go on. i also tried Morphix but paradoxically found it slightly more difficult.
This howto is to modify an image. I had to figure how to remaster a HD install because I needed to update too many packages. It's not easy, there's still grey zones, but it works. -- Marc
Kanotix is superior.
I use Kanotix. I wouldn't go back to Ubuntu / Demudi.
GridFlow, PDP, pidip, GEM all work magnificently. I would not change to Ubuntu even if Hoary paid me with a box load of Ubuntu install CD's.
Although one must consider what hardware you are running on; my synopsis is thus:
Nvidia - use Ubuntu / Demudi ATI - use Kanotix
see also #kanotix on irc.freenode.net - I reiterate once again, a truly superior distribution.
People tend to use RedHat or Ubuntu only because they "know the name". Kanotix is the best distro you've never heard of.
./d5
On Feb 16, 2006, at 11:18 PM, Marc Lavallée wrote:
Le 16 Février 2006 21:03, vincent rioux a écrit :
Hello Marc, could you tell us why you choose Kanotix instead of Knoppix to create your custom liveCD/installCD?
Because it uses Debian unstable. And because there's more goodies. Kanotix is based on Knoppix. It's a Knoppix on steroids.
i once tried with Knoppix and found that it was relatively easy if one follows: http://www.knoppix.net/wiki/Knoppix_Remastering_Howto but unfortunately did not find much time to go on. i also tried Morphix but paradoxically found it slightly more difficult.
This howto is to modify an image. I had to figure how to remaster a HD install because I needed to update too many packages. It's not easy, there's still grey zones, but it works. -- Marc
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i can't get any of them to run. mind you, i've only been at it for a week now.
how many years does it take???
Hi d5,
I'm experimenting with distros myself - been running debian for about
a month and pretty happy but... can you explain a bit about why you
recommend Kanotix for ATI users?
Thanks, p
On Feb 17, 2006, at 9:49 AM, day 5 wrote:
Kanotix is superior.
I use Kanotix. I wouldn't go back to Ubuntu / Demudi.
GridFlow, PDP, pidip, GEM all work magnificently. I would not
change to Ubuntu even if Hoary paid me with a box load of Ubuntu
install CD's.Although one must consider what hardware you are running on; my
synopsis is thus:Nvidia - use Ubuntu / Demudi ATI - use Kanotix
see also #kanotix on irc.freenode.net - I reiterate once again, a
truly superior distribution.People tend to use RedHat or Ubuntu only because they "know the
name". Kanotix is the best distro you've never heard of../d5
On Feb 16, 2006, at 11:18 PM, Marc Lavallée wrote:
Le 16 Février 2006 21:03, vincent rioux a écrit :
Hello Marc, could you tell us why you choose Kanotix instead of Knoppix to
create your custom liveCD/installCD?Because it uses Debian unstable. And because there's more goodies. Kanotix is based on Knoppix. It's a Knoppix on steroids.
i once tried with Knoppix and found that it was relatively easy
if one follows: http://www.knoppix.net/wiki/Knoppix_Remastering_Howto but unfortunately did not find much time to go on. i also tried Morphix but paradoxically found it slightly more
difficult.This howto is to modify an image. I had to figure how to remaster
a HD install because I needed to update too many packages. It's not easy, there's still grey zones, but it works. -- Marc
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The drivers for ATI are quite well supported under Kanotix and #kanotix on IRC is always bustling with activity.
When I first loaded the kanotix liveCD, the only problem was the resolution wasn't right but the following necessary modules were there and were loaded:
# color depth
# wireless modules
which was what I needed to get going with making installation art on Pd right away.
All I had to do was edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf to set it to the correct resolution (literally changing 3 lines) and it was ready to go for the HD install I now use.
In short it took less than a week to apt-get all the required dependencies to be up and at 'em from the latest CVS of both Pure Data and GridFlow. I wouldn't go back to demudi.
./d5
On Feb 17, 2006, at 10:02 AM, Paris Treantafeles wrote:
Hi d5,
I'm experimenting with distros myself - been running debian for about a month and pretty happy but... can you explain a bit about why you recommend Kanotix for ATI users?
Thanks, p
On Feb 17, 2006, at 9:49 AM, day 5 wrote:
Kanotix is superior.
I use Kanotix. I wouldn't go back to Ubuntu / Demudi.
GridFlow, PDP, pidip, GEM all work magnificently. I would not change to Ubuntu even if Hoary paid me with a box load of Ubuntu install CD's.
Although one must consider what hardware you are running on; my synopsis is thus:
Nvidia - use Ubuntu / Demudi ATI - use Kanotix
see also #kanotix on irc.freenode.net - I reiterate once again, a truly superior distribution.
People tend to use RedHat or Ubuntu only because they "know the name". Kanotix is the best distro you've never heard of.
./d5
On Feb 16, 2006, at 11:18 PM, Marc Lavallée wrote:
Le 16 Février 2006 21:03, vincent rioux a écrit :
Hello Marc, could you tell us why you choose Kanotix instead of Knoppix to create your custom liveCD/installCD?
Because it uses Debian unstable. And because there's more goodies. Kanotix is based on Knoppix. It's a Knoppix on steroids.
i once tried with Knoppix and found that it was relatively easy if one follows: http://www.knoppix.net/wiki/Knoppix_Remastering_Howto but unfortunately did not find much time to go on. i also tried Morphix but paradoxically found it slightly more difficult.
This howto is to modify an image. I had to figure how to remaster a HD install because I needed to update too many packages. It's not easy, there's still grey zones, but it works. -- Marc
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Hallo!
I'm experimenting with distros myself - been running debian for about a month and pretty happy but... can you explain a bit about why you
well, kanotix is a debian system - they only have good additional hardware detection etc. and so it's easy to install ... then you have a "normal" debian unstable system, you can update via apt-get as usual ...
recommend Kanotix for ATI users?
why only for ATI users? - it works the same for nvidia ...
LG Georg
Hi all
I may be wrong, but as a Demudi user, I'm sure it's still
maintained. The project lost its funding recently, which is a
tragedy, but it looks like everybody's just getting together and
helping out. Still tons of life left.
cheers dafydd
www.sideshowmedia.ca
This conversation comes up again and again (I've been the culprit a couple of times myself), and everyone has a different opinion. I personally think it's a tragedy that CCRMA decided to base their Planet CCRMA distro on RedHat, which many agree is an unwieldy distro ill-suited to real-time audio work. Debian based distros like Ubuntu, DeMuDi and dynebolic are much leaner & meaner. However, I can confirm that it looks like DeMuDi (as of relatively recently) is no longer maintained, so I agree that you're best off running a "pure" Ubuntu system, albeit with some modifications...
Ubuntu is great because everything mostly works "out of the box." You can get things done right away while you're learning to use it. But as you've probably already learned, most Linux distros are not very audio-friendly, for several reasons. Linux can be a very effective OS for audio, but first you have to get your hands dirty, and if you're new to Linux this can be a bit intimidating. Lots of info you find by googling around is old & obsolete. What I wish I had when I first started:
http://ubuntustudio.com -This will tell you all you need to know about setting up your ubuntu box for audio use. Follow these instructions, and your life will be much saner.
linux-audio-users mailing list: http://music.columbia.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-audio-user -These people can help with all your questions relating to getting your system set up, if you run into difficulty
Hopefully, this message will be one for the archives...
Good luck!
David
On 2/16/06, derek holzer derek@x-i.net wrote:
My suggestion would be to use Ubuntu to get a basic installation, and add the DeMuDi packages on top of that. Ubuntu should streamline the hardware detection & configuration process quite nicely. The DeMuDi packages could be part of Debian (Unstable/Testing?) already, so it's just a matter of updating the sources you download from.
Fedora is nice but very bloated, and not all the PD externals are there yet. And RedHat/Fedora do things in their own special way, which can make it difficult for non Fedora-users to help you out. OTOH Debian is pretty standard, and shares many similarities with a lot of other distros, so you can find help in a lot more forums, etc.
Dynebolic is OK as a live CD, but pretty much impossible to reconfigure, so I'd skip it for a permanent installation unless you need something working RIGHT NOW ;-)
good luck, d.
Renato Fabbri wrote:
I´m migrating from windows to linux, but to which distro? I intend using PD, sequencers and softsynths.
A friend highly recommended fedora core 4 and the ccrma pack, but I heard about GeeXboX, dyne:bolic, and DeMuDi, which all are called "multimedia distros"..
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Hallo, david golightly hat gesagt: // david golightly wrote:
However, I can confirm that it looks like DeMuDi (as of relatively recently) is no longer maintained,
AFAIK this is not true. What are you sources for saying that?
Ciao
Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org_ __goto10.org__
Sorry to start a rumor that, as it turns out, is completely false - my wording was too confident there - and I'm most likely wrong here, but as far as I can tell - and I would love for this not to be the case - the most recent release of DeMuDi is 1.2.1, which came out in July 2005, about 7 months ago. There were updates pretty consistently until then, but since then, nothing. It appears work is being done on a 1.3.0, but there seems to be precious little of recent developments on their website regarding this, and I wasn't able to upgrade to 1.3.0 using apt or from the website. So the lack of a recent kernel update ultimately sent me looking elsewhere.
It may be too early yet to announce the demise of Demudi. It's a great idea, a great package, and I hope it's still being worked on and that new releases come soon and frequently. Please, if there are any Demudi developers on this list, set me straight!
David
On 2/16/06, Frank Barknecht < fbar@footils.org> wrote:
Hallo, david golightly hat gesagt: // david golightly wrote:
However, I can confirm that it looks like DeMuDi (as of relatively recently) is no longer maintained,
AFAIK this is not true. What are you sources for saying that?
Ciao
Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org_ __goto10.org__
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well, demudi is not funded anymore, so it is now a fully-volunteer project, see: http://lists.agnula.org/pipermail/announce/2006-January/000102.html
----- Original Message ----- From: david golightly To: pd-list@iem.at Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 8:36 AM Subject: Re: [PD] Distro Doubt
Sorry to start a rumor that, as it turns out, is completely false - my wording was too confident there - and I'm most likely wrong here, but as far as I can tell - and I would love for this not to be the case - the most recent release of DeMuDi is 1.2.1, which came out in July 2005, about 7 months ago. There were updates pretty consistently until then, but since then, nothing. It appears work is being done on a 1.3.0, but there seems to be precious little of recent developments on their website regarding this, and I wasn't able to upgrade to 1.3.0 using apt or from the website. So the lack of a recent kernel update ultimately sent me looking elsewhere.
It may be too early yet to announce the demise of Demudi. It's a great idea, a great package, and I hope it's still being worked on and that new releases come soon and frequently. Please, if there are any Demudi developers on this list, set me straight!
David
On 2/16/06, Frank Barknecht < fbar@footils.org> wrote: Hallo, david golightly hat gesagt: // david golightly wrote:
> However, I can confirm that it looks like DeMuDi (as of
> relatively recently) is no longer maintained,
AFAIK this is not true. What are you sources for saying that?
Ciao
--
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well, demudi is not funded anymore, so it is now a fully-volunteer project, see: http://lists.agnula.org/pipermail/announce/2006-January/000102.html
----- Original Message ----- *From:* david golightly <mailto:davigoli@gmail.com> *To:* pd-list@iem.at <mailto:pd-list@iem.at> *Sent:* Friday, February 17, 2006 8:36 AM *Subject:* Re: [PD] Distro Doubt Sorry to start a rumor that, as it turns out, is completely false - my wording was too confident there - and I'm most likely wrong here, but as far as I can tell - and I would love for this not to be the case - the most recent release of DeMuDi is 1.2.1, which came out in July 2005, about 7 months ago. There were updates pretty consistently until then, but since then, nothing. It appears work is being done on a 1.3.0, but there seems to be precious little of recent developments on their website regarding this, and I wasn't able to upgrade to 1.3.0 using apt or from the website. So the lack of a recent kernel update ultimately sent me looking elsewhere. It may be too early yet to announce the demise of Demudi. It's a great idea, a great package, and I hope it's still being worked on and that new releases come soon and frequently. Please, if there are any Demudi developers on this list, set me straight! David On 2/16/06, *Frank Barknecht* < fbar@footils.org <mailto:fbar@footils.org>> wrote: Hallo, david golightly hat gesagt: // david golightly wrote: > However, I can confirm that it looks like DeMuDi (as of > relatively recently) is no longer maintained, AFAIK this is not true. What are you sources for saying that? Ciao -- Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org_ __goto10.org__ _______________________________________________ PD-list@iem.at <mailto:PD-list@iem.at> mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
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Oh news just in,
have a look at
http://ubuntustudio.com/wiki/index.php/Breezy:Rlimits-Aware_PAM
dominic ptechnic.org
david golightly wrote:
Sorry to start a rumor that, as it turns out, is completely false - my wording was too confident there - and I'm most likely wrong here, but as far as I can tell - and I would love for this not to be the case - the most recent release of DeMuDi is 1.2.1, which came out in July 2005, about 7 months ago. There were updates pretty consistently until then, but since then, nothing. It appears work is being done on a 1.3.0, but there seems to be precious little of recent developments on their website regarding this, and I wasn't able to upgrade to 1.3.0 using apt or from the website. So the lack of a recent kernel update ultimately sent me looking elsewhere.
It may be too early yet to announce the demise of Demudi. It's a great idea, a great package, and I hope it's still being worked on and that new releases come soon and frequently. Please, if there are any Demudi developers on this list, set me straight!
David
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Hallo, david golightly hat gesagt: // david golightly wrote: > However, I can confirm that it looks like DeMuDi (as of > relatively recently) is no longer maintained, AFAIK this is not true. What are you sources for saying that? Ciao -- Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org_ __goto10.org__ _______________________________________________ PD-list@iem.at <mailto:PD-list@iem.at> mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
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I am using demudi 1.3.0 ! its working ok for me.
I am interested in the ubuntu approach that derek mentioned though as I always get a headache building kernel modules for my ATI card (because of the custom kernel) so I can use dri. and the Demudi kernel needs tweaking to get my wireless card working ipw 2200.
I started using pd with the ccrma (FC1) but as derek mentioned it gets complicated, I switched to demudi and besides a few minor gripes I think it is quite good. What is Gentoo like? I keep thinking I will have a play around with installing it on an old machine but everyone tells me to put a few days aside.
regards
dominic ptechnic.org
hi, a good distro for multidmedia : APODIO http://www.apodio.org (a new version will be online soon!) it's based on mandriva but special integration for audio & video...and the pd proposition just kills! I will send news on the list asap but it has a script developped to integrate your librairies automtically in .pdsh and allow to custom it easily. Also it has a main script to run pd with many librairies available and from my experience (dynebolic, fedora, debian...) it's the one that integrated more librairies than ever!!!
cheers
juto
My suggestion would be to use Ubuntu to get a basic installation, and add the DeMuDi packages on top of that. Ubuntu should streamline the hardware detection & configuration process quite nicely. The DeMuDi packages could be part of Debian (Unstable/Testing?) already, so it's just a matter of updating the sources you download from.
Fedora is nice but very bloated, and not all the PD externals are there yet. And RedHat/Fedora do things in their own special way, which can make it difficult for non Fedora-users to help you out. OTOH Debian is pretty standard, and shares many similarities with a lot of other distros, so you can find help in a lot more forums, etc.
Dynebolic is OK as a live CD, but pretty much impossible to reconfigure, so I'd skip it for a permanent installation unless you need something working RIGHT NOW ;-)
good luck, d.
Renato Fabbri wrote:
I´m migrating from windows to linux, but to which distro? I intend using PD, sequencers and softsynths.
A friend highly recommended fedora core 4 and the ccrma pack, but I heard about GeeXboX, dyne:bolic, and DeMuDi, which all are called "multimedia distros"..
Hi ref,
If you are considering installing Linux on a laptop, I recommend that you check http://www.linux-laptop.net/, and Google to see whether someone has already successfully installed a particular distro on your hardware. It will make your life a lot easier if there is already a 'how-to' you can follow.
Jamie
On Thu, 16 Feb 2006 13:23:20 -0800 (PST) Renato Fabbri renatoftato@yahoo.com wrote:
I´m migrating from windows to linux, but to which distro? I intend using PD, sequencers and softsynths.
A friend highly recommended fedora core 4 and the ccrma pack, but I heard about GeeXboX, dyne:bolic, and DeMuDi, which all are called "multimedia distros"..
Therefore: ???
I will appreciate advices!
thanx ref
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