my rant is as follows
when making a request to have pd-extended 0.43.1 installed on the teaching station i get:
"Mark:
For obvious reasons, we won't install a beta release of software in a production environment.
The current latest production release will be installed."
which im fine with 042.5 but this is just more annoying than anything else.
am I alone or do others on this list in Universities battle with IT on a daily basis? i am suspecting im not alone.....
is it the word "BETA" that is so bothersome? what is a "production environment"? am i not producing something?
I see you have met Mordac, Preventer of Information Services (http://search.dilbert.com/comic/Mordac%20The%20Preventer). The message you received is clearly meant to demoralize and intimidate, what with the condescension ("obvious reasons" --- this is not obvious at all), bogus jargon ("production environment" --- sounds really impressive but doesn't apply to your setting), and gratuitous use of the passive voice ("will be installed" --- act of God, I suppose). Sadly, I've encountered this kind of attitude at several universities. Good luck, Peter
On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 1:14 PM, m.e.grimm megrimm@gmail.com wrote:
my rant is as follows
when making a request to have pd-extended 0.43.1 installed on the teaching station i get:
"Mark:
For obvious reasons, we won't install a beta release of software in a production environment.
The current latest production release will be installed."
which im fine with 042.5 but this is just more annoying than anything else.
am I alone or do others on this list in Universities battle with IT on a daily basis? i am suspecting im not alone.....
is it the word "BETA" that is so bothersome? what is a "production environment"? am i not producing something?
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Make your own build of pd from source code, rename it to Production_Ready and send it to your admins. :)
On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 10:07 PM, Peter Brinkmann < peter.brinkmann@googlemail.com> wrote:
jargon ("production environment" --- sounds really impressive but doesn't apply to your setting), and gratuitous use of the passive voice ("will be installed" --- act of God, I suppose). Sadly, I've encountered this kind of attitude at several universities. Good luck,
You can install Pd 0.43 vanilla. It's a stable release:
http://crca.ucsd.edu/~msp/software.html
Just copy/paste the libs you need from Pd-extended. You'll be missing [initbang] but that's about it.
-Jonathan
From: m.e.grimm megrimm@gmail.com To: pd_list Listserve pd-list@iem.at Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2012 1:14 PM Subject: [PD] ... and the battle with IT begins
my rant is as follows
when making a request to have pd-extended 0.43.1 installed on the teaching station i get:
"Mark:
For obvious reasons, we won't install a beta release of software in a production environment.
The current latest production release will be installed."
which im fine with 042.5 but this is just more annoying than anything else.
am I alone or do others on this list in Universities battle with IT on a daily basis? i am suspecting im not alone.....
is it the word "BETA" that is so bothersome? what is a "production environment"? am i not producing something?
-- ____________________ m.e.grimm | m.f.a | ed.m. megrimm@gmail.com _________________________________
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Hi Mark
On Thu, 2012-09-13 at 13:14 -0400, m.e.grimm wrote:
my rant is as follows
when making a request to have pd-extended 0.43.1 installed on the teaching station i get:
"Mark:
For obvious reasons, we won't install a beta release of software in a production environment.
The current latest production release will be installed."
This kind of know-it-all behaviour baffles me. Unfortunately, it sounds like it's not even worth trying to explain yourself when getting such answers and also like they're hiding their ignorance behind some pseudo best practices ("beta" on "production".... uuuuh _sounds_ dangerous!!!)
which im fine with 042.5 but this is just more annoying than anything else.
Definitely.
am I alone or do others on this list in Universities battle with IT on a daily basis? i am suspecting im not alone.....
I also would assume that you're not alone. I happen to have a job in the IT of a local university and people don't seem to hate us, luckily. But then, computers in artist labs are not treated equally with computers from administration that potentially contain sensitive data. Also lab computers are separated from administration computers in terms of network topology. This gives a certain degree of freedom for what can be installed on a lab computer. You might argue that your IT is not doing their job correctly when they consider every machine to be a super-critical high-security super-sensitive high-importance "production machine".
is it the word "BETA" that is so bothersome? what is a "production environment"? am i not producing something?
I wonder where they saw the word beta. I just installed Pd-extended from http://blinky.at.or.at:8888/auto-build/latest/ and whether the build nor "help" -> "About Pd" contains the word 'beta'. Probably you tell them you found a "proper" release.
Roman
:) Le 13 sept. 2012 à 19:14, m.e.grimm a écrit :
my rant is as follows
when making a request to have pd-extended 0.43.1 installed on the teaching station i get:
"Mark:
For obvious reasons, we won't install a beta release of software in a production environment.
The current latest production release will be installed."
which im fine with 042.5 but this is just more annoying than anything else.
am I alone or do others on this list in Universities battle with IT on a daily basis? i am suspecting im not alone.....
is it the word "BETA" that is so bothersome? what is a "production environment"? am i not producing something?
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Yip yip - unfortunately standard IT practice. Here at UoHuddersfield we have a big music-tech dept and the running of the labs and studio's has been wrenched out of IT's hands. All the better for it. I spent around 3 months convincing IT to let us tunnel through the Uni firewall to do telematic performances with jacktrip. It was a complete nightmare, I couldn't have given them more notice, or been clear about what we were doing and what needed doing. I also had all necessary permissions sorted from various staff members. The 1st gig they completely screwed up and we were unable to perform and the 2nd performance had me yelling down the phone at an IT guy half an hour before the gig, who had spent the previous 2 months alternately telling me he'd already done it or it couldn't be done 'cos it's a security breech, and he just flicked a few settings (via his laptop from home!!) and we were able to perform. Not the most relaxing way to start a 2 hour improv:)
So yeah, standard jobsworth practice unfortunately.
Good luck and keep at 'em,
Julian
On 13/09/12 19:14, m.e.grimm wrote:
my rant is as follows
when making a request to have pd-extended 0.43.1 installed on the teaching station i get:
"Mark:
For obvious reasons, we won't install a beta release of software in a production environment.
The current latest production release will be installed."
which im fine with 042.5 but this is just more annoying than anything else.
am I alone or do others on this list in Universities battle with IT on a daily basis? i am suspecting im not alone.....
is it the word "BETA" that is so bothersome? what is a "production environment"? am i not producing something?
After quite a while and after gaining a certain amount of trust and respect by the IT people (but also with some backing by my boss, and I must say they are clever guys, not as stubborn as what you write) I got an 'experimental' machine where I'm admin: but that's because my job may include installing and testing alpha-alpha software and report back to developers... But I'd assume 'audio' and 'video' machines are always less restricted (the people working with MACs have full admin on those as well).
Good luck Lorenzo.
it does get me all quite riled up
my initial reaction always is to plot some disruption (reset admin pass, create a hidden admin, etc)
all the visual and performing arts computers at syracuse u are now bound to active directory including faculty and staff personal laptops... so any type on install requires admin privileges meaning it has to be approved by IT.
when did IT start dictating pedagogy?
at the moment students all come with new macs + 10.8. teaching station is still at 10.6. something simple like demoing screen capture from quicktime turns into a 1/2 hour "wait... this is different on your system?"
totally OT now but im going to try installing 10.8 to a USB Flash with pd-extended "non-production environment ready" build and just boot to my own system.... bypassing all vpa it internals
maybe that will work and i wont have to get all fired up on wednesdays with the knowledge that our academic institutions almost fully assimilated into the corporate model that we here in the state so idealize.
thanks for your ears
m
On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 5:09 AM, Lorenzo Sutton lorenzofsutton@gmail.com wrote:
On 13/09/12 19:14, m.e.grimm wrote:
my rant is as follows
when making a request to have pd-extended 0.43.1 installed on the teaching station i get:
"Mark:
For obvious reasons, we won't install a beta release of software in a production environment.
The current latest production release will be installed."
which im fine with 042.5 but this is just more annoying than anything else.
am I alone or do others on this list in Universities battle with IT on a daily basis? i am suspecting im not alone.....
is it the word "BETA" that is so bothersome? what is a "production environment"? am i not producing something?
After quite a while and after gaining a certain amount of trust and respect by the IT people (but also with some backing by my boss, and I must say they are clever guys, not as stubborn as what you write) I got an 'experimental' machine where I'm admin: but that's because my job may include installing and testing alpha-alpha software and report back to developers... But I'd assume 'audio' and 'video' machines are always less restricted (the people working with MACs have full admin on those as well).
Good luck Lorenzo.
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Same shit here I'm afraid. I have one admin machine that we bought with the course budget - when we found out we had one (it had been used to plug funding gaps in other courses for years apparently). I don't tell IT about that machine, and they do not know!
Luckily I removed it and the MOTU Ultralite audio interface from the college over the summer, so when all our equipment was burgled last weekend we held onto it. South London - dodgy place! Security isn't so hot where I work either, and nothing, it turns outm was insured!
Best of luck, Ed
Gemnotes-0.2: Live music notation for Pure Data, now with dynamics! http://sharktracks.co.uk/
From: Lorenzo Sutton lorenzofsutton@gmail.com To: pd-list@iem.at Sent: Friday, 14 September 2012, 10:09 Subject: Re: [PD] ... and the battle with IT begins
On 13/09/12 19:14, m.e.grimm wrote:
my rant is as follows
when making a request to have pd-extended 0.43.1 installed on the teaching station i get:
"Mark:
For obvious reasons, we won't install a beta release of software in a production environment.
The current latest production release will be installed."
which im fine with 042.5 but this is just more annoying than anything else.
am I alone or do others on this list in Universities battle with IT on a daily basis? i am suspecting im not alone.....
is it the word "BETA" that is so bothersome? what is a "production environment"? am i not producing something?
After quite a while and after gaining a certain amount of trust and respect by the IT people (but also with some backing by my boss, and I must say they are clever guys, not as stubborn as what you write) I got an 'experimental' machine where I'm admin: but that's because my job may include installing and testing alpha-alpha software and report back to developers... But I'd assume 'audio' and 'video' machines are always less restricted (the people working with MACs have full admin on those as well).
Good luck Lorenzo.
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