Dear list,
I've been using Pd-extended in Ubuntu LTS (12.04) a lot lately, and a couple of bugs are beginning to get on my nerves... first it randomly crashes and also crashes X (i get a black screen, and after a few seconds i'm prompted for my password to log into my session again), whenever I'm typing something in an object box (i haven't been able to figure out exaclty what character was causing this, it really looks random to me). I also get constant error messages in the console when using JACK (JACKerror: Cannot use real-time scheduling (RR/55)(1: Operation not permitted) JACKerror: JackClient::AcquireSelfRealTime error). The sound works sometimes though, but Pd also freezes every once in a while. I also get error messages with Alsa.
I have installed Pd-extended from the Ubuntu repos. It seems to be the same version as the one available on puredata.info (0.43.4).
I don't know what to do.
Cheers,
Pierre.
- Are you starting JACK before firing up Pd-extended?
- Are you typing any non-ascii characters? If so what are they?
-Jonathan
On Tuesday, February 25, 2014 1:54 PM, Pierre Massat pimassat@gmail.com wrote:
Dear list,
I've been using Pd-extended in Ubuntu LTS (12.04) a lot lately, and a couple of bugs are beginning to get on my nerves... first it randomly crashes and also crashes X (i get a black screen, and after a few seconds i'm prompted for my password to log into my session again), whenever I'm typing something in an object box (i haven't been able to figure out exaclty what character was causing this, it really looks random to me). I also get constant error messages in the console when using JACK (JACKerror: Cannot use real-time scheduling (RR/55)(1: Operation not permitted) JACKerror: JackClient::AcquireSelfRealTime error). The sound works sometimes though, but Pd also freezes every once in a while. I also get error messages with Alsa.
I have installed Pd-extended from the Ubuntu repos. It seems to be the same version as the one available on puredata.info (0.43.4).
I don't know what to do.
Cheers,
Pierre.
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Le 25/02/2014 19:50, Pierre Massat a écrit :
Dear list,
I've been using Pd-extended in Ubuntu LTS (12.04) a lot lately, and a couple of bugs are beginning to get on my nerves... first it randomly crashes and also crashes X (i get a black screen, and after a few seconds i'm prompted for my password to log into my session again), whenever I'm typing something in an object box (i haven't been able to figure out exaclty what character was causing this, it really looks random to me).
this have been reported here a lot. it look like an intel graphic driver bug, so nothing can be made from the pd side. c
I also get constant error messages in the console when using JACK (JACKerror: Cannot use real-time scheduling (RR/55)(1: Operation not permitted) JACKerror: JackClient::AcquireSelfRealTime error). The sound works sometimes though, but Pd also freezes every once in a while. I also get error messages with Alsa.
I have installed Pd-extended from the Ubuntu repos. It seems to be the same version as the one available on puredata.info http://puredata.info (0.43.4).
I don't know what to do.
Cheers,
Pierre.
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On Die, 2014-02-25 at 19:50 +0100, Pierre Massat wrote:
I have installed Pd-extended from the Ubuntu repos. It seems to be the same version as the one available on puredata.info (0.43.4).
I am pretty sure there is no package called 'pd-extended' in the Ubuntu repositories. Probably you got it from Hans' ppa or from apt.puredata.info?
Also, is your Ubuntu 12.04 up-to-date? Your bug description sounds like an intel driver bug in 13.04 or 13.10 that has been discussed a lot on this list. I thought this bug has been fixed for quite a while.
Roman
Hi all,
Thanks for your replies. I get the same error message in the console about JACK, regardless of whether I start it before Pd or not. The sound works though most of the time.
There is a package in the Ubuntu repos for pd-extended. It's called "Pure Data with patches and a large collection of externals" in the Ubuntu software Center. My Ubuntu is up to date (last update last week-end I believe). Could it be that it was fixed in 13.04 but not in the older LTS version ?
Pierre.
2014-02-25 21:03 GMT+01:00 Roman Haefeli reduzent@gmail.com:
On Die, 2014-02-25 at 19:50 +0100, Pierre Massat wrote:
I have installed Pd-extended from the Ubuntu repos. It seems to be the same version as the one available on puredata.info (0.43.4).
I am pretty sure there is no package called 'pd-extended' in the Ubuntu repositories. Probably you got it from Hans' ppa or from apt.puredata.info?
Also, is your Ubuntu 12.04 up-to-date? Your bug description sounds like an intel driver bug in 13.04 or 13.10 that has been discussed a lot on this list. I thought this bug has been fixed for quite a while.
Roman
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On Tue, 2014-02-25 at 21:11 +0100, Pierre Massat wrote:
Hi all,
Thanks for your replies. I get the same error message in the console about JACK, regardless of whether I start it before Pd or not. The sound works though most of the time.
This error indicates, that you didn't set the necessary permissions for real-time setup:
JACKerror: Cannot use real-time scheduling (RR/55)(1: Operation not permitted
Don't know, if this guide is still up-to-date, but I usually could make it work with it: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudioPreparation#Real-Time_Support
There is a package in the Ubuntu repos for pd-extended. It's called "Pure Data with patches and a large collection of externals" in the Ubuntu software Center.
Software Center shows you everything that is currently installed. To know where you got your package from, do this in a terminal:
$ apt-cache policy pd-extended
If you only see a line like:
100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
and no actual source line, this means you installed the package from a downloaded deb-archive.
My Ubuntu is up to date (last update last week-end I believe). Could it be that it was fixed in 13.04 but not in the older LTS version ?
Sorry, I was wrong about that, according to Cyrille.
Roman
Hi Roman,
Good point about the permissions, i'll check that.
I don't need to know where I installed pd-extended from (I'm too young to suffer from dementia). I said it's there in the Ubuntu repos because this is where I got it (not from puredata.info or anywhere else, and certainly not from a manually downloaded archive).
Cheers,
Pierre.
2014-02-26 9:15 GMT+01:00 Roman Haefeli reduzent@gmail.com:
On Tue, 2014-02-25 at 21:11 +0100, Pierre Massat wrote:
Hi all,
Thanks for your replies. I get the same error message in the console about JACK, regardless of whether I start it before Pd or not. The sound works though most of the time.
This error indicates, that you didn't set the necessary permissions for real-time setup:
JACKerror: Cannot use real-time scheduling (RR/55)(1: Operation not permitted
Don't know, if this guide is still up-to-date, but I usually could make it work with it: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudioPreparation#Real-Time_Support
There is a package in the Ubuntu repos for pd-extended. It's called "Pure Data with patches and a large collection of externals" in the Ubuntu software Center.
Software Center shows you everything that is currently installed. To know where you got your package from, do this in a terminal:
$ apt-cache policy pd-extended
If you only see a line like:
100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
and no actual source line, this means you installed the package from a downloaded deb-archive.
My Ubuntu is up to date (last update last week-end I believe). Could it be that it was fixed in 13.04 but not in the older LTS version ?
Sorry, I was wrong about that, according to Cyrille.
Roman
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On 2014-02-26 09:40, Pierre Massat wrote:
I don't need to know where I installed pd-extended from (I'm too young to suffer from dementia). I said it's there in the Ubuntu repos because this is where I got it (not from puredata.info http://puredata.info or anywhere else, and certainly not from a manually downloaded archive).
afaik, there is *no* pd-extended package in ubuntu (proper), check [1].
most likely you added "apt.puredata.info" to your sources (e.g. as described in [2]), and then simply installed pd-extended via the software-center, like any other package (without manually downloading it).
fg,adsr IOhannes
[1] http://packages.ubuntu.com/pd-extended [2] http://puredata.info/docs/faq/debian/
I might have indeed added other sources, so Roman and IOhannes are probably right. Still, knowing that doesn't really solve my problems, does it ? I will try what Katja suggests regarding rt priorities. Hopefully that will fix the errors I get with JACK (problem one of 3).
Cheers,
Pierre.
2014-02-26 10:00 GMT+01:00 IOhannes m zmoelnig zmoelnig@iem.at:
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On 2014-02-26 09:40, Pierre Massat wrote:
I don't need to know where I installed pd-extended from (I'm too young to suffer from dementia). I said it's there in the Ubuntu repos because this is where I got it (not from puredata.info http://puredata.info or anywhere else, and certainly not from a manually downloaded archive).
afaik, there is *no* pd-extended package in ubuntu (proper), check [1].
most likely you added "apt.puredata.info" to your sources (e.g. as described in [2]), and then simply installed pd-extended via the software-center, like any other package (without manually downloading it).
fg,adsr IOhannes
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On 2014-02-26 10:27, Pierre Massat wrote:
I might have indeed added other sources, so Roman and IOhannes are probably right. Still, knowing that doesn't really solve my problems, does it ?
it mgiht help finding out which version of pd-extended you are using. e.g. it might tell us, that while you were talking about two different pd-extended installations you have tried, you really only tried one, but installed by different means.
or that your system installs random bits of software from sources unknown, and you are asking other people to really fix *that* for you :-) while i don't really suspect this to be the problem here, it's always good to rule things out. e.g. the debian-multimedia-team has received bug-reports for years, because people keep adding the (unofficial, unsupported) "debian multimedia" repository, which tends to break things.
fsmdr IOhannes
On Wed, 2014-02-26 at 10:27 +0100, Pierre Massat wrote:
I might have indeed added other sources, so Roman and IOhannes are probably right.
Still, knowing that doesn't really solve my problems, does it ?
I was suggesting this is related to your problems. You told us where you have your pd-extended from and I tried to explain that it is quite unlikely. That's all.
I will try what Katja suggests regarding rt priorities. Hopefully that will fix the errors I get with JACK (problem one of 3).
Are you sure, you don't suffer from dementia? It was me talking about rt permissions...
(Sorry, I couldn't resist) :-)
Regarding your other problems:
- and Alsa throwing this error in the console : "ALSA output error
(restart failed): Broken pipe" (though the sound does work).
- X crashes sometimes when typing stuff in an object box,
I find it strange this happens also on 12.04. I am using Pd (though not Pd-extended) regularly
Sorry, that got sent prematurely.
On Wed, 2014-02-26 at 11:33 +0100, Roman Haefeli wrote:
Regarding your other problems:
- and Alsa throwing this error in the console : "ALSA output error
(restart failed): Broken pipe" (though the sound does work).
I think I see this error from time to time, though I didn't worry about it. The one thing to know with Pd and ALSA on Ubuntu (12.04 or probably even other releases), is that Pd wants to have exclusive access to the sound card. So if you start Pd's DSP while some pulse audio client is using the soundcard, Pd is not able to connect to the soundcard. On the other hand, when Pd has DSP on and is connected to the soundcard, you cannot play sound from any pulse clients.
So if you want Pd to be able to grab the soundcard, make sure you don't have any Youtube movie playing in Firefox.
- X crashes sometimes when typing stuff in an object box,
I find it strange this happens also on 12.04. I am using Pd (though not Pd-extended) regularly on 12.04 on machines with Intel drivers and never run into this kind of problems. Of course, this is anecdotal and doesn't mean they cannot happen. If there is still no fix for this bug available (I thought people had to compile Inter driver manually to get rid of the problem), I'd try to mitigate the problem by checking, if it happens also with Pd vanilla or Pd-l2ork.
Roman
On Wed, 2014-02-26 at 09:40 +0100, Pierre Massat wrote:
Hi Roman,
Good point about the permissions, i'll check that.
I don't need to know where I installed pd-extended from (I'm too young to suffer from dementia).
Good for you.
I said it's there in the Ubuntu repos because this is where I got it (not from puredata.info or anywhere else, and certainly not from a manually downloaded archive).
Depending on what packages you have installed and what entries you have in /etc/apt/sources.list or /etc/sources.list.d/ Ubuntu Software Center shows you different things. The fact 'pd-extended' appears in your Software Center doesn't mean the package 'pd-extended' originates from the official Ubuntu repositories. On my box, where I have enabled only all Ubuntu sources, I don't get any results when searching for 'pd-extended' in Software Center.
Probably I'm totally off, but to me it still seems you got your 'pd-extended' from somewhere else.
Roman
Le 25/02/2014 21:03, Roman Haefeli a écrit :
On Die, 2014-02-25 at 19:50 +0100, Pierre Massat wrote:
I have installed Pd-extended from the Ubuntu repos. It seems to be the same version as the one available on puredata.info (0.43.4).
I am pretty sure there is no package called 'pd-extended' in the Ubuntu repositories. Probably you got it from Hans' ppa or from apt.puredata.info?
Also, is your Ubuntu 12.04 up-to-date? Your bug description sounds like an intel driver bug in 13.04 or 13.10 that has been discussed a lot on this list. I thought this bug has been fixed for quite a while.
i still have some problem. (i'm on 13.10). X can crash specially if i have object that are not created on the patch. c
Roman
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I just checked again and to to sum up I have three problems :
- errors with JACK (and instability),
- X crashes sometimes when typing stuff in an object box,
- and Alsa throwing this error in the console : "ALSA output error (restart
failed): Broken pipe" (though the sound does work).
Pierre.
2014-02-25 21:23 GMT+01:00 Cyrille Henry ch@chnry.net:
Le 25/02/2014 21:03, Roman Haefeli a écrit :
On Die, 2014-02-25 at 19:50 +0100, Pierre Massat wrote:
I have installed Pd-extended from the Ubuntu repos. It seems to be the
same version as the one available on puredata.info (0.43.4).
I am pretty sure there is no package called 'pd-extended' in the Ubuntu repositories. Probably you got it from Hans' ppa or from apt.puredata.info?
Also, is your Ubuntu 12.04 up-to-date? Your bug description sounds like an intel driver bug in 13.04 or 13.10 that has been discussed a lot on this list. I thought this bug has been fixed for quite a while.
i still have some problem. (i'm on 13.10). X can crash specially if i have object that are not created on the patch. c
Roman
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Hi Pierre,
I'm on Xubuntu 12.04 with Pd-extended 0.44 and have experienced big troubles with Jack too. I only use Jack for complex routings like Skype to Pd or Kdenlive to Pd via PulseAudio+Jack. I got a lot of jackdbus-errors initially, and jack wouldn't restart. Don't know if it's the same issue which you're experiencing. Anyway, it seems that this was about jackd2 writing config files to different places, which can be out of sync under certain conditions. Not sure if this is a correct description but it is my interpretation. Looking at running processes in command htop, I always noticed a jackdbus processing still running when the dbus error was given. Killing the jackdbus process sometimes helped. But in the course of time I've somehow learned how to avoid it at all, by carefully considering the right order of operations when starting processes. I have PulseAudio disabled by default, so I can start Jack first, then the Jack clients, of which PulseAudio may be one. Then eventually the PulseAudio clients. When killing processes, everything in reverse order. I don't like this hocus pocus, but well, I'm happy if it works at all. On Kubuntu I couldn't get PulseAudio to cooperate with Jack.
Katja
On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 9:33 PM, Pierre Massat pimassat@gmail.com wrote:
I just checked again and to to sum up I have three problems :
- errors with JACK (and instability),
- X crashes sometimes when typing stuff in an object box,
- and Alsa throwing this error in the console : "ALSA output error (restart
failed): Broken pipe" (though the sound does work).
Pierre.
2014-02-25 21:23 GMT+01:00 Cyrille Henry ch@chnry.net:
Le 25/02/2014 21:03, Roman Haefeli a écrit :
On Die, 2014-02-25 at 19:50 +0100, Pierre Massat wrote:
I have installed Pd-extended from the Ubuntu repos. It seems to be the same version as the one available on puredata.info (0.43.4).
I am pretty sure there is no package called 'pd-extended' in the Ubuntu repositories. Probably you got it from Hans' ppa or from apt.puredata.info?
Also, is your Ubuntu 12.04 up-to-date? Your bug description sounds like an intel driver bug in 13.04 or 13.10 that has been discussed a lot on this list. I thought this bug has been fixed for quite a while.
i still have some problem. (i'm on 13.10). X can crash specially if i have object that are not created on the patch. c
Roman
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when i first installed miller's latest vanilla on a new 64 bit installation of 13.04(I actually installed it on a different laptop last summer then put the drive ina new laptop the other day then installed vanilla. it crashed till i upgraded the intel graphics driver. then it crashed till i stopped using iem_sqrt4~
On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 4:18 PM, katja katjavetter@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Pierre,
I'm on Xubuntu 12.04 with Pd-extended 0.44 and have experienced big troubles with Jack too. I only use Jack for complex routings like Skype to Pd or Kdenlive to Pd via PulseAudio+Jack. I got a lot of jackdbus-errors initially, and jack wouldn't restart. Don't know if it's the same issue which you're experiencing. Anyway, it seems that this was about jackd2 writing config files to different places, which can be out of sync under certain conditions. Not sure if this is a correct description but it is my interpretation. Looking at running processes in command htop, I always noticed a jackdbus processing still running when the dbus error was given. Killing the jackdbus process sometimes helped. But in the course of time I've somehow learned how to avoid it at all, by carefully considering the right order of operations when starting processes. I have PulseAudio disabled by default, so I can start Jack first, then the Jack clients, of which PulseAudio may be one. Then eventually the PulseAudio clients. When killing processes, everything in reverse order. I don't like this hocus pocus, but well, I'm happy if it works at all. On Kubuntu I couldn't get PulseAudio to cooperate with Jack.
Katja
On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 9:33 PM, Pierre Massat pimassat@gmail.com wrote:
I just checked again and to to sum up I have three problems :
- errors with JACK (and instability),
- X crashes sometimes when typing stuff in an object box,
- and Alsa throwing this error in the console : "ALSA output error
(restart
failed): Broken pipe" (though the sound does work).
Pierre.
2014-02-25 21:23 GMT+01:00 Cyrille Henry ch@chnry.net:
Le 25/02/2014 21:03, Roman Haefeli a écrit :
On Die, 2014-02-25 at 19:50 +0100, Pierre Massat wrote:
I have installed Pd-extended from the Ubuntu repos. It seems to be the same version as the one available on puredata.info (0.43.4).
I am pretty sure there is no package called 'pd-extended' in the Ubuntu repositories. Probably you got it from Hans' ppa or from apt.puredata.info?
Also, is your Ubuntu 12.04 up-to-date? Your bug description sounds like an intel driver bug in 13.04 or 13.10 that has been discussed a lot on this list. I thought this bug has been fixed for quite a while.
i still have some problem. (i'm on 13.10). X can crash specially if i
have
object that are not created on the patch. c
Roman
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proof that it works https://archive.org/details/newcpusmandelbox only after almost hours did the graphics stop updating, the audio kept going. been a while since i could run for hours.
On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 3:27 AM, Billy Stiltner billy.stiltner@gmail.comwrote:
when i first installed miller's latest vanilla on a new 64 bit installation of 13.04(I actually installed it on a different laptop last summer then put the drive ina new laptop the other day then installed vanilla. it crashed till i upgraded the intel graphics driver. then it crashed till i stopped using iem_sqrt4~
On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 4:18 PM, katja katjavetter@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Pierre,
I'm on Xubuntu 12.04 with Pd-extended 0.44 and have experienced big troubles with Jack too. I only use Jack for complex routings like Skype to Pd or Kdenlive to Pd via PulseAudio+Jack. I got a lot of jackdbus-errors initially, and jack wouldn't restart. Don't know if it's the same issue which you're experiencing. Anyway, it seems that this was about jackd2 writing config files to different places, which can be out of sync under certain conditions. Not sure if this is a correct description but it is my interpretation. Looking at running processes in command htop, I always noticed a jackdbus processing still running when the dbus error was given. Killing the jackdbus process sometimes helped. But in the course of time I've somehow learned how to avoid it at all, by carefully considering the right order of operations when starting processes. I have PulseAudio disabled by default, so I can start Jack first, then the Jack clients, of which PulseAudio may be one. Then eventually the PulseAudio clients. When killing processes, everything in reverse order. I don't like this hocus pocus, but well, I'm happy if it works at all. On Kubuntu I couldn't get PulseAudio to cooperate with Jack.
Katja
On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 9:33 PM, Pierre Massat pimassat@gmail.com wrote:
I just checked again and to to sum up I have three problems :
- errors with JACK (and instability),
- X crashes sometimes when typing stuff in an object box,
- and Alsa throwing this error in the console : "ALSA output error
(restart
failed): Broken pipe" (though the sound does work).
Pierre.
2014-02-25 21:23 GMT+01:00 Cyrille Henry ch@chnry.net:
Le 25/02/2014 21:03, Roman Haefeli a écrit :
On Die, 2014-02-25 at 19:50 +0100, Pierre Massat wrote:
I have installed Pd-extended from the Ubuntu repos. It seems to be
the
same version as the one available on puredata.info (0.43.4).
I am pretty sure there is no package called 'pd-extended' in the
Ubuntu
repositories. Probably you got it from Hans' ppa or from apt.puredata.info?
Also, is your Ubuntu 12.04 up-to-date? Your bug description sounds
like
an intel driver bug in 13.04 or 13.10 that has been discussed a lot on this list. I thought this bug has been fixed for quite a while.
i still have some problem. (i'm on 13.10). X can crash specially if i
have
object that are not created on the patch. c
Roman
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