Hi again,
I am trying to install Pd Extended in Ubuntu 10.04. Since the depository doesn't work (at least following the directions in the wiki), I have downloaded the package for Jaunty from http://puredata.info/downloads (guessing it may work with later versions as well) since a specific package for Lucid is not available.
When I try to install it, it says a dependency cannot be satisfied: ttf-stream-vera
I searched for such a package in synaptic but i cannot find it. Maybe it is in some depository I haven't added. If so, how can I figure out which one?
thanks m.
I resolved that in Karmic, with some package... I don't recall it it was:
It should be just a simple font package missing, even if you don't find a package for lucid, you can install a previous one. Or grab the fonts, make them and install them. I did stuff like that in the past for latex bizarre fonts in Linux, but it is a bit hedious... so I'd recommend searching/trying some packages.
I'm trying to look in my installed packages for the one that did the trick...
best regards, Pedro
On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 6:06 PM, Matteo Sisti Sette < matteosistisette@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi again,
I am trying to install Pd Extended in Ubuntu 10.04. Since the depository doesn't work (at least following the directions in the wiki), I have downloaded the package for Jaunty from http://puredata.info/downloads (guessing it may work with later versions as well) since a specific package for Lucid is not available.
When I try to install it, it says a dependency cannot be satisfied: ttf-stream-vera
I searched for such a package in synaptic but i cannot find it. Maybe it is in some depository I haven't added. If so, how can I figure out which one?
thanks m.
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On 06/29/2010 07:12 PM, Pedro Lopes wrote:
I resolved that in Karmic, with some package... I don't recall it it was:
I'm trying to look in my installed packages for the one that did the trick...
Hi Pedro,
Thank you very much, googling around a bit more I found the binary package here:
https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/jaunty/i386/ttf-bitstream-vera/1.10-7
(for Jaunty) and installed it.
So now everything should be fine.
Thanks
m.
On 06/29/2010 07:26 PM, Matteo Sisti Sette wrote:
I found the binary package here:
https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/jaunty/i386/ttf-bitstream-vera/1.10-7
(for Jaunty) and installed it.
So now everything should be fine.
Oh shit. Now there are other dependencies; most of them probably from "normal" packages that I can easily install with Synaptic; the problem is that when I try to install the Pd Extended package, it will complain of only one dependency at a time and I will have to install each one manually. Isn't there a way to automatically install all the needed (and not yet installed) packages, just like Synaptic does??
thanks m.
Synaptic does that automatically because it has the repository with the links to fetch the packages. I'm not an experienced "installer" so probably someone can help you better. There must be a master package in synaptic with all the fonts and correct dependencies, the question is which one it is.
On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 6:45 PM, Matteo Sisti Sette < matteosistisette@gmail.com> wrote:
On 06/29/2010 07:26 PM, Matteo Sisti Sette wrote:
I found the binary package here:
https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/jaunty/i386/ttf-bitstream-vera/1.10-7
(for Jaunty) and installed it.
So now everything should be fine.
Oh shit. Now there are other dependencies; most of them probably from "normal" packages that I can easily install with Synaptic; the problem is that when I try to install the Pd Extended package, it will complain of only one dependency at a time and I will have to install each one manually. Isn't there a way to automatically install all the needed (and not yet installed) packages, just like Synaptic does??
thanks m.
p.s.: In synaptic there's a "ttf-bitstream-vera" which I have installed. Is there one in your lucid repos? If not you can add the karmic repository and use it, or go by hand and also install the mising dependencies as you were doing, they shouldn't be many.
On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 7:40 PM, Pedro Lopes pedro.lopes@ist.utl.pt wrote:
Synaptic does that automatically because it has the repository with the links to fetch the packages. I'm not an experienced "installer" so probably someone can help you better. There must be a master package in synaptic with all the fonts and correct dependencies, the question is which one it is.
On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 6:45 PM, Matteo Sisti Sette < matteosistisette@gmail.com> wrote:
On 06/29/2010 07:26 PM, Matteo Sisti Sette wrote:
I found the binary package here:
https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/jaunty/i386/ttf-bitstream-vera/1.10-7
(for Jaunty) and installed it.
So now everything should be fine.
Oh shit. Now there are other dependencies; most of them probably from "normal" packages that I can easily install with Synaptic; the problem is that when I try to install the Pd Extended package, it will complain of only one dependency at a time and I will have to install each one manually. Isn't there a way to automatically install all the needed (and not yet installed) packages, just like Synaptic does??
thanks m.
-- Pedro Lopes contacto: jazz@radiozero.pt website: http://web.ist.utl.pt/Pedro.Lopes
Hi,
Thank you for your replies.
My dependency problems now are not related to fonts any more.
Now the main problem is libmagick++1.
I have found and installed a libmagick++2, but Pd Extended still complains. I guess if it wants version 1 it needs version 1.
Now I have already located where to download libmagick++1.
Is there any problem in having different versions of apparently the same package installed? Now if this libmagick++1 also has dependencies on older packages of which I already have newer versions, and I manage to fulfill all this dependencies, won't I end up with a messed-up system?
thanks m.
P.S. this sounds similar to the old "dll hell" of Windows, which they "solved" with the glorious [sarchasm intended] winsxs folder which grows and grows to as much as 15GB of mostly duplicate dll's.....
On 06/29/2010 08:41 PM, Pedro Lopes wrote:
p.s.: In synaptic there's a "ttf-bitstream-vera" which I have installed. Is there one in your lucid repos? If not you can add the karmic repository and use it, or go by hand and also install the mising dependencies as you were doing, they shouldn't be many.
On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 7:40 PM, Pedro Lopes <pedro.lopes@ist.utl.pt mailto:pedro.lopes@ist.utl.pt> wrote:
Synaptic does that automatically because it has the repository with the links to fetch the packages. I'm not an experienced "installer" so probably someone can help you better. There must be a master package in synaptic with all the fonts and correct dependencies, the question is which one it is. On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 6:45 PM, Matteo Sisti Sette <matteosistisette@gmail.com <mailto:matteosistisette@gmail.com>> wrote: On 06/29/2010 07:26 PM, Matteo Sisti Sette wrote: I found the binary package here: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/jaunty/i386/ttf-bitstream-vera/1.10-7 (for Jaunty) and installed it. So now everything should be fine. Oh shit. Now there are other dependencies; most of them probably from "normal" packages that I can easily install with Synaptic; the problem is that when I try to install the Pd Extended package, it will complain of only one dependency at a time and I will have to install each one manually. Isn't there a way to automatically install all the needed (and not yet installed) packages, just like Synaptic does?? thanks m. -- Pedro Lopes contacto: jazz@radiozero.pt <mailto:jazz@radiozero.pt> website: http://web.ist.utl.pt/Pedro.Lopes
-- Pedro Lopes contacto: jazz@radiozero.pt mailto:jazz@radiozero.pt website: http://web.ist.utl.pt/Pedro.Lopes
P.S. this sounds similar to the old "dll hell" of Windows, which they
"solved" with the glorious >[sarchasm intended] winsxs folder which grows and grows to as much as 15GB of mostly duplicate >dll's..... I know what you mean, I remember my first years at college trying to develop 3d apps in Win. At getting Visual Studio complaining about one million dlls... solution was usually a brute force copy paste of a dozen dlls to weird system locations =P
Not trying to be a linux-fan-boy, I've used win my entire life and hated those dll mess-ups. In linux there's many possibilities for solving dependency issues, learning to use aptitude seems important - im still learning it - as far as your issue:
Now if this libmagick++1 also has dependencies on older packages of which I
already have newer >versions, and I manage to fulfill all this dependencies, won't I end up with a messed-up system? Install libmagik++1 and its dependencies. You can force the install of packages if its needed but just use this as last resort:
sudo dpkg --install --force-all packagename
This command forces an install, ignoring dependencies and other problems.
As far as installing packages in linux, in debian-based my favourite way is apt-get. Its the "trick" I'm more used to, and for me it serves almost every purpose, the only disadvantage is it doesn't give "dependency proposed solutions" like aptitude shows when there are conflicts.
I hope this is helping, I'm still not using Lucid - so my solutions can not be the perfect comparison - mainly because I usually wait a bit before upgrading to a newer version. Although I have a new machine at home and will probably try Lucid on it.
Best regards, Pedro
On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 8:01 PM, Matteo Sisti Sette < matteosistisette@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,
Thank you for your replies.
My dependency problems now are not related to fonts any more.
Now the main problem is libmagick++1.
I have found and installed a libmagick++2, but Pd Extended still complains. I guess if it wants version 1 it needs version 1.
Now I have already located where to download libmagick++1.
Is there any problem in having different versions of apparently the same package installed? Now if this libmagick++1 also has dependencies on older packages of which I already have newer versions, and I manage to fulfill all this dependencies, won't I end up with a messed-up system?
thanks m.
P.S. this sounds similar to the old "dll hell" of Windows, which they "solved" with the glorious [sarchasm intended] winsxs folder which grows and grows to as much as 15GB of mostly duplicate dll's.....
On 06/29/2010 08:41 PM, Pedro Lopes wrote:
p.s.: In synaptic there's a "ttf-bitstream-vera" which I have installed. Is there one in your lucid repos? If not you can add the karmic repository and use it, or go by hand and also install the mising dependencies as you were doing, they shouldn't be many.
On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 7:40 PM, Pedro Lopes <pedro.lopes@ist.utl.pt mailto:pedro.lopes@ist.utl.pt> wrote:
Synaptic does that automatically because it has the repository with the links to fetch the packages. I'm not an experienced "installer" so probably someone can help you better. There must be a master package in synaptic with all the fonts and correct dependencies, the question is which one it is.
On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 6:45 PM, Matteo Sisti Sette <matteosistisette@gmail.com mailto:matteosistisette@gmail.com> wrote:
On 06/29/2010 07:26 PM, Matteo Sisti Sette wrote: I found the binary package here:
https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/jaunty/i386/ttf-bitstream-vera/1.10-7
(for Jaunty) and installed it. So now everything should be fine. Oh shit. Now there are other dependencies; most of them probably from "normal" packages that I can easily install with Synaptic; the problem is that when I try to install the Pd Extended package, it will complain of only one dependency at a time and I will have to install each one manually. Isn't there a way to automatically install all the needed (and not yet installed) packages, just like Synaptic does?? thanks m.
-- Pedro Lopes contacto: jazz@radiozero.pt mailto:jazz@radiozero.pt
website: http://web.ist.utl.pt/Pedro.Lopes
-- Pedro Lopes contacto: jazz@radiozero.pt mailto:jazz@radiozero.pt
website: http://web.ist.utl.pt/Pedro.Lopes
On Tue, 2010-06-29 at 21:58 +0100, Pedro Lopes wrote:
P.S. this sounds similar to the old "dll hell" of Windows, which they
"solved" with the glorious >[sarchasm intended] winsxs folder which grows and grows to as much as 15GB of mostly duplicate >dll's..... I know what you mean, I remember my first years at college trying to develop 3d apps in Win. At getting Visual Studio complaining about one million dlls... solution was usually a brute force copy paste of a dozen dlls to weird system locations =P
Not trying to be a linux-fan-boy, I've used win my entire life and hated those dll mess-ups. In linux there's many possibilities for solving dependency issues, learning to use aptitude seems important - im still learning it - as far as your issue:
There is a simple way to avoid such dependency nightmares in ubuntu: Just don't try to install a jaunty package on lucid.
Often it's not a big thing doing that, but the pd-extended package has lots of dependencies and many of them are somehow media related (decoder/encoders, openGL etc.) and I found that those are changing versions more rapidly than others and often have a much more delicate dependency structure. So Pd-extended is sometimes specially hard to install in something else than its targeted distro.
@ ttf-stream-vera dependency problem: IIRC, the vera font was abandoned in ubuntu once and got replaced by dejavu, but don't ask me about the details.
If you like to do install a package from a local deb file (instead from repository with aptitude) and still want all the dependencies to be handled automatically, there is the gdebi tool (and it's gdebi-gtk GUI equivalent).
Always a good place to look for Pd-extended packaged for a certain distro is http://autobuild.puredata.info. But beware, those might be not yet released versions. However, I personally found using beta version targeted at the correct distro often much less hassling than using released versions for old distros.
Roman
On 2010-06-30 10:38, Roman Haefeli wrote:
@ ttf-stream-vera dependency problem: IIRC, the vera font was abandoned in ubuntu once and got replaced by dejavu, but don't ask me about the details.
to be honest, i find it a bit over-the-top to make a font a "hard" dependency for a package like puredata. Pd will merrily work without ttf-stream-vera installed. it will also merrily work without dejavu installed.
it's nice to make all Pd's look the same by suggesting a certain font, but the exact typeface is nothing that should prevent people from being able to use Pd.
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Hi Matteo,
I'm not sure I managed to follow all the passages you made anyway...
I managed to install Pd-extended (0.42.5-extended-20100601) on lucid (32 bit) doing the followng:
http://autobuild.puredata.info/auto-build/latest/Pd-0.42.5-extended-ubuntu-l...
(already there since karmic... wish I kept a memo of all this stuff :) )
It seems to run pretty well and didn't give me any problem till now.
In case, feel free to ask more if I can help you. Bests, Lorenzo
Matteo Sisti Sette wrote:
Hi,
Thank you for your replies.
My dependency problems now are not related to fonts any more.
Now the main problem is libmagick++1.
I have found and installed a libmagick++2, but Pd Extended still complains. I guess if it wants version 1 it needs version 1.
Now I have already located where to download libmagick++1.
Is there any problem in having different versions of apparently the same package installed? Now if this libmagick++1 also has dependencies on older packages of which I already have newer versions, and I manage to fulfill all this dependencies, won't I end up with a messed-up system?
thanks m.
P.S. this sounds similar to the old "dll hell" of Windows, which they "solved" with the glorious [sarchasm intended] winsxs folder which grows and grows to as much as 15GB of mostly duplicate dll's.....
On 06/29/2010 08:41 PM, Pedro Lopes wrote:
p.s.: In synaptic there's a "ttf-bitstream-vera" which I have installed. Is there one in your lucid repos? If not you can add the karmic repository and use it, or go by hand and also install the mising dependencies as you were doing, they shouldn't be many.
On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 7:40 PM, Pedro Lopes <pedro.lopes@ist.utl.pt mailto:pedro.lopes@ist.utl.pt> wrote:
Synaptic does that automatically because it has the repository with the links to fetch the packages. I'm not an experienced "installer" so probably someone can help you better. There must be a master package in synaptic with all the fonts and correct dependencies, the question is which one it is. On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 6:45 PM, Matteo Sisti Sette
<matteosistisette@gmail.com mailto:matteosistisette@gmail.com> wrote:
On 06/29/2010 07:26 PM, Matteo Sisti Sette wrote: I found the binary package here:
https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/jaunty/i386/ttf-bitstream-vera/1.10-7
(for Jaunty) and installed it. So now everything should be fine. Oh shit. Now there are other dependencies; most of them probably from "normal" packages that I can easily install with Synaptic; the problem is that when I try to install the Pd Extended package, it will complain of only one dependency at a time and I will have to install each one manually. Isn't there a way to automatically install all the needed (and not yet installed) packages, just like Synaptic does?? thanks m. -- Pedro Lopes contacto: jazz@radiozero.pt <mailto:jazz@radiozero.pt> website: http://web.ist.utl.pt/Pedro.Lopes
-- Pedro Lopes contacto: jazz@radiozero.pt mailto:jazz@radiozero.pt website: http://web.ist.utl.pt/Pedro.Lopes
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Try a beta build for Lucid:
http://at.or.at/hans/pd/installers.html
.hc
On Jun 29, 2010, at 1:06 PM, Matteo Sisti Sette wrote:
Hi again,
I am trying to install Pd Extended in Ubuntu 10.04. Since the depository doesn't work (at least following the directions
in the wiki), I have downloaded the package for Jaunty from http://puredata.info/downloads (guessing it may work with later versions as well) since a specific
package for Lucid is not available.When I try to install it, it says a dependency cannot be satisfied: ttf-stream-vera
I searched for such a package in synaptic but i cannot find it.
Maybe it is in some depository I haven't added. If so, how can I
figure out which one?thanks m.
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