hi,
are you talking about an icon or a logo? i think a logo should be definitely with colors and doesnot need to be produced with Pd... and I don't know why we should use yingyang stuff. there is no connection to Pd. So I am still wating for the right logo to come... For my own purposes I am using the [Pd] - icon(Pd in object box). But as mentioned, this is rather weak for a logo.
who is in the jury for the contest?
marius.
I think we are talking about a logo from which icons will be made. I
think the yin/yang came up because it looks like the letters Pd, but I
agree, I don't see a strong connection to Pd. I personally think that
the icon should be designed in Pd, since Pd is all about creating media.
The jury is us all, I don't know how that's going to work though.
.hc
On Tuesday, Oct 21, 2003, at 02:46 America/New_York, marius schebella
wrote:
hi,
are you talking about an icon or a logo? i think a logo should be
definitely with colors and doesnot need to be produced with Pd... and I don't
know why we should use yingyang stuff. there is no connection to Pd. So I am
still wating for the right logo to come... For my own purposes I am using the [Pd] - icon(Pd in object box). But as mentioned, this is rather weak
for a logo.who is in the jury for the contest?
marius.
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http://www.pure-data.org/Members/andre/pd_icon_test21/image_view
first I had the association of diving goggles, later the objects reminded me of bart simson looking through a window. However I think I now like number 10 best.
btw. Is Pd the official Name or is it Pure Data? and if it is written with a capital letter, like it is, should it then be pronounced like [:pd] like in update? thats not much of sound... but why not...? (hey, have you worked with that great program, its name is "hpth") pronouncing "pee dee" should be written pd or PD. or Pd.
Marius.
Just an observation is that most "icons" don't have the text integrating, since the OS deals with naming the files. And honestlt at 16x16 or 32x32 having the pd in the logo makes little sence!
I just wanted to mention that to open up the variation a bit!
I'll work on my lego idea soon, maybe today even.
Ben
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http://www.pure-data.org/Members/andre/pd_icon_test21/image_view
first I had the association of diving goggles, later the objects reminded
me
of bart simson looking through a window. However I think I now like number 10 best.
btw. Is Pd the official Name or is it Pure Data? and if it is written with a capital letter, like it is, should it then be pronounced like [:pd] like in update? thats not much of sound... but why not...? (hey, have you worked with that great program, its name is "hpth") pronouncing "pee dee" should be written pd or PD. or Pd.
Marius.
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You can totally make a legible "Pd" in 16x16:
These are bad exports of the original .ico file but you get the idea.
Here's the original .ico:
.hc
On Wednesday, Oct 22, 2003, at 11:51 America/New_York, B. Bogart wrote:
Just an observation is that most "icons" don't have the text integrating, since the OS deals with naming the files. And honestlt at 16x16 or 32x32 having the pd in the logo makes little sence!
I just wanted to mention that to open up the variation a bit!
I'll work on my lego idea soon, maybe today even.
Ben
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http://www.pure-data.org/Members/andre/pd_icon_test21/image_view
first I had the association of diving goggles, later the objects reminded
me
of bart simson looking through a window. However I think I now like number 10 best.
btw. Is Pd the official Name or is it Pure Data? and if it is written with a capital letter, like it is, should it then be pronounced like [:pd] like in update? thats not much of sound... but why not...? (hey, have you worked with that great program, its name is "hpth") pronouncing "pee dee" should be written pd or PD. or Pd.
Marius.
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On Wed, Oct 22, 2003 at 09:43:39AM -0400, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
I think we are talking about a logo from which icons will be made. I
think the yin/yang came up because it looks like the letters Pd, but I
agree, I don't see a strong connection to Pd. I personally think that
the icon should be designed in Pd, since Pd is all about creating media.
I agree. Since pd is "graphically challenged", the logos and icons should be designed accordingly. Included is my pd icon, made with pd on Linux (it's only 137 bytes). Earlier this summer, I installed the actual pure-data.org logo, made by patrick@11h11.com.
-- Marc
don't quite understand why i should create a pixel editor with pd to get the same result as with an "icon editor" program ???
-andre
Marc Lavallée wrote:
On Wed, Oct 22, 2003 at 09:43:39AM -0400, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
I think we are talking about a logo from which icons will be made. I
think the yin/yang came up because it looks like the letters Pd, but I
agree, I don't see a strong connection to Pd. I personally think that
the icon should be designed in Pd, since Pd is all about creating media.I agree. Since pd is "graphically challenged", the logos and icons should be designed accordingly. Included is my pd icon, made with pd on Linux (it's only 137 bytes). Earlier this summer, I installed the actual pure-data.org logo, made by patrick@11h11.com.
-- Marc
I think that a pixel editor is a very different mindset than Pd. So I
think that the icon should be designed in Pd so that it better
represents Pd. The software one uses most definitely affects the
outcome.
.hc
On Wednesday, Oct 22, 2003, at 13:03 America/New_York, Andre Schmidt
wrote:
don't quite understand why i should create a pixel editor with pd to
get the same result as with an "icon editor" program ???-andre
Marc Lavallée wrote:
On Wed, Oct 22, 2003 at 09:43:39AM -0400, Hans-Christoph Steiner
wrote:I think we are talking about a logo from which icons will be made.
I think the yin/yang came up because it looks like the letters Pd,
but I agree, I don't see a strong connection to Pd. I personally
think that the icon should be designed in Pd, since Pd is all about
creating media.I agree. Since pd is "graphically challenged", the logos and icons
should be designed accordingly. Included is my pd icon, made with pd on Linux (it's only 137 bytes). Earlier this summer, I installed the actual pure-data.org logo, made by patrick@11h11.com. -- Marc
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Yes, but most of what we've seen have been screen captures that were then brought into pixel editors for clean-up/modification i.e. not produced with pd, but pictures of pd. I think many have been quite attractive and usable as a program icon, but I am still not impressed by the idea of a pd screen capture as a logo per se.
I need to get on this and actually make a logo myself. Maybe I'll have time tonight.
By logo, do we want something like a splash screen, or something to display on a website, or what? How would it be used? Or do we not even want a logo, or just an icon?
BTW, has anyone gotten any feedback from Miller on this, or does he not have an opinion (or doesn't care)?
Cheers, Nicholas.
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I think that a pixel editor is a very different mindset than Pd. So I
think that the icon should be designed in Pd so that it better
represents Pd. The software one uses most definitely affects the
outcome.
.hc
On Wednesday, Oct 22, 2003, at 13:03 America/New_York, Andre Schmidt
wrote:
don't quite understand why i should create a pixel editor with pd to get the same result as with an "icon editor" program ???
-andre
Marc Lavallée wrote:
On Wed, Oct 22, 2003 at 09:43:39AM -0400, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
I think we are talking about a logo from which icons will be made.
I think the yin/yang came up because it looks like the letters Pd, but I agree, I don't see a strong connection to Pd. I personally
think that the icon should be designed in Pd, since Pd is all about
creating media.
I agree. Since pd is "graphically challenged", the logos and icons should be designed accordingly. Included is my pd icon, made with pd on
Linux
(it's only 137 bytes). Earlier this summer, I installed the actual pure-data.org logo, made by patrick@11h11.com. -- Marc
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This started out as icons for the app and files. I think that should
be the focus. But it would be great if the logo worked on web sites,
t-shirts, underwear as well.
.hc
On Wednesday, Oct 22, 2003, at 15:55 America/New_York, Nicholas Colvin
wrote:
Yes, but most of what we've seen have been screen captures that were then brought into pixel editors for clean-up/modification i.e. not produced with pd, but pictures of pd. I think many have been quite attractive and usable as a program icon, but I am still not impressed
by the idea of a pd screen capture as a logo per se.I need to get on this and actually make a logo myself. Maybe I'll have time tonight.
By logo, do we want something like a splash screen, or something to display on a website, or what? How would it be used? Or do we not even want a logo, or just an icon?
BTW, has anyone gotten any feedback from Miller on this, or does he not have an opinion (or doesn't care)?
Cheers, Nicholas.
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I think that a pixel editor is a very different mindset than Pd. So I think that the icon should be designed in Pd so that it better represents Pd. The software one uses most definitely affects the outcome.
.hc
On Wednesday, Oct 22, 2003, at 13:03 America/New_York, Andre Schmidt wrote:
don't quite understand why i should create a pixel editor with pd to get the same result as with an "icon editor" program ???
-andre
Marc Lavallée wrote:
On Wed, Oct 22, 2003 at 09:43:39AM -0400, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
I think we are talking about a logo from which icons will be made.
I think the yin/yang came up because it looks like the letters Pd, but I agree, I don't see a strong connection to Pd. I personally think that the icon should be designed in Pd, since Pd is all about
creating media.
I agree. Since pd is "graphically challenged", the logos and icons should be designed accordingly. Included is my pd icon, made with pd on
Linux
(it's only 137 bytes). Earlier this summer, I installed the actual pure-data.org logo, made by patrick@11h11.com. -- Marc
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deliberately throwing it away
to benefit those who profit from scarcity."
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On Wed, Oct 22, 2003 at 03:55:11PM -0400, Nicholas Colvin wrote:
Yes, but most of what we've seen have been screen captures that were then brought into pixel editors for clean-up/modification i.e. not produced with pd, but pictures of pd. I think many have been quite attractive and usable as a program icon, but I am still not impressed by the idea of a pd screen capture as a logo per se.
It doesn't have to be impressive, and that's the whole point. Pd has a very basic interface, and people using pd care more about its functionalities than its look. Branding doesn't always depend on shiny graphics; if the logos and icons are designed to be impressive, there's a high risk that a bunch of clueless newbies will complain about pd's look. So we should keep it simple, to the extreme. We love screen captures... -- Marc
Since pd is "graphically challenged", the logos and icons should be
designed
accordingly.
To address something I missed earlier:
Pd is *not* graphically challenged, thank you! Its interface is. GEM does a bang up job with graphics, as does framestein (though I haven't used framestein much, the screenshots look good).
It doesn't have to be impressive, and that's the whole point. Pd has a very basic interface, and people using pd care more about its functionalities than its look. Branding doesn't always depend on shiny graphics; if the logos and icons are designed to be impressive, there's a high risk that a bunch of clueless newbies will complain about pd's look. So we should keep it simple, to the extreme. We love screen captures..
And while I agree that the interface is basic (how could I not), and for good reason, I don't see why Pd's logo should reflect the ugly interface rather than the attractive possibilities.
And if the newbies are going to complain about the look, it will happen whether the logo is aesthetically 'impressive' or not.
Obviously, there are a lot of different opinions about this :-)
I'm gonna have to second (or third, whatever) the motion that we somehow set a contest page that has only the submitted pics, with no explanation or reasoning involved, so that the votes will be cast based upon the individual interpretation of what looks best from a purely aesthetic standpoint.
Nicholas
Hi. I agree with Marc
if the logos and icons are designed to be impressive, there's a high risk that a bunch of clueless newbies will complain about pd's look. So we should keep it simple, to the extreme. We love screen captures...
How i see, now there is a choice between logo in Macromedia's style (021 - this is the best from 007-021) and pure screencapture style (022-030). http://www.pure-data.org/Members/andre/pd_icon_test21/image_view
#021 has very nice design, but i'm not sure that pd needs logo like this. I very like modern graphic design, but if a designer creates the logo like 021, he expresses just one idea - "we are contemporary!", but pd needs its own message and mythology.
I think pd already has its own graphical style, embodied in classical (historical) logo - we can just type "Pd" in a object or message box : )
All now pd needs (i repeat) is a mythology. This purpose is usually reached by any illustration for a splash screen or some graphic stuff in additives to logo (maybe original graphic design for the installation package).
And icon is just icon on the desctop. i use my selfmade icons without pd-logo for example (see attch). If you would like to create a logo, don't begin from an icon, begin from a legend!!! (than maybe 021 will be best... or 010... or 007. than everything will change)
best regards, andrey
I think that this might be my favorite:
http://www.pure-data.org/Members/andre/howto-draw-pd/
now the question is how to make that into a logo.
.hc
On Thursday, Oct 23, 2003, at 07:11 America/New_York, Andrey Savitsky
wrote:
Hi. I agree with Marc
if the logos and icons are designed to be impressive, there's a high risk that a bunch of clueless newbies will complain about pd's
look. So we should keep it simple, to the extreme. We love screen
captures...How i see, now there is a choice between logo in Macromedia's style
(021 - this is the best from 007-021) and pure screencapture style (022-030). http://www.pure-data.org/Members/andre/pd_icon_test21/image_view#021 has very nice design, but i'm not sure that pd needs logo like
this. I very like modern graphic design, but if a designer creates the logo
like 021, he expresses just one idea - "we are contemporary!", but pd needs its own message
and mythology.I think pd already has its own graphical style, embodied in classical (historical) logo - we can just type "Pd" in a object or message box :
)All now pd needs (i repeat) is a mythology. This purpose is usually
reached by any illustration for a splash screen or some graphic stuff in
additives to logo (maybe original graphic design for the installation package).And icon is just icon on the desctop. i use my selfmade icons without pd-logo for example (see attch). If you would like to create a logo, don't begin from an icon, begin
from a legend!!! (than maybe 021 will be best... or 010... or 007. than
everything will change)best regards, andrey
http://www.hhtp.org/webdesign/d03_2003.html
<pd_icon.gif>
Man has survived hitherto because he was too ignorant to know how to
realize his wishes.
Now that he can realize them, he must either change them, or perish.
-William Carlos Williams
This icon below would make a great file icon, since it looks like a patch. Then the icon for the app would be the logo.
.hc
On Thursday, Oct 23, 2003, at 07:11 America/New_York, Andrey Savitsky wrote:
Hi. I agree with Marc
if the logos and icons are designed to be impressive, there's a high risk that a bunch of clueless newbies will complain about pd's look. So we should keep it simple, to the extreme. We love screen captures...
How i see, now there is a choice between logo in Macromedia's style (021 - this is the best from 007-021) and pure screencapture style (022-030). http://www.pure-data.org/Members/andre/pd_icon_test21/image_view
#021 has very nice design, but i'm not sure that pd needs logo like this. I very like modern graphic design, but if a designer creates the logo like 021, he expresses just one idea - "we are contemporary!", but pd needs its own message and mythology.
I think pd already has its own graphical style, embodied in classical (historical) logo - we can just type "Pd" in a object or message box : )
All now pd needs (i repeat) is a mythology. This purpose is usually reached by any illustration for a splash screen or some graphic stuff in additives to logo (maybe original graphic design for the installation package).
And icon is just icon on the desctop. i use my selfmade icons without pd-logo for example (see attch). If you would like to create a logo, don't begin from an icon, begin from a legend!!! (than maybe 021 will be best... or 010... or 007. than everything will change)
best regards, andrey
http://www.hhtp.org/webdesign/d03_2003.html
<pd_icon.gif>
http://at.or.at/hans/
now this is a really professional looking patch icon, terrific! gets a strong vote from me :)
-josh
Andrey Savitsky wrote:
Hi. I agree with Marc
if the logos and icons are designed to be impressive, there's a high risk that a bunch of clueless newbies will complain about pd's look. So we should keep it simple, to the extreme. We love screen captures...
How i see, now there is a choice between logo in Macromedia's style (021 - this is the best from 007-021) and pure screencapture style (022-030). http://www.pure-data.org/Members/andre/pd_icon_test21/image_view
#021 has very nice design, but i'm not sure that pd needs logo like this. I very like modern graphic design, but if a designer creates the logo like 021, he expresses just one idea - "we are contemporary!", but pd needs its own message and mythology.
I think pd already has its own graphical style, embodied in classical (historical) logo - we can just type "Pd" in a object or message box : )
All now pd needs (i repeat) is a mythology. This purpose is usually reached by any illustration for a splash screen or some graphic stuff in additives to logo (maybe original graphic design for the installation package).
And icon is just icon on the desctop. i use my selfmade icons without pd-logo for example (see attch). If you would like to create a logo, don't begin from an icon, begin from a legend!!! (than maybe 021 will be best... or 010... or 007. than everything will change)
best regards, andrey
http://www.hhtp.org/webdesign/d03_2003.html
Hello! All of the logos so far have been pretty cool... well, here's my version...let me know what you think!
http://www.pure-data.org/Members/spiffy/Photo.2003-10-24.1502/photo_view
later,
spiffy
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my first offer. i see that pd doesn't need one more window at start (a splash screen). maybe to add illustration in the main window? see attached files. don't worry about logo and picture in these files. There is just an idea to put a graphic concept and add a style in pd.
andrey
On Wed, 22 Oct 2003, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
I think that a pixel editor is a very different mindset than Pd. So I think that the icon should be designed in Pd so that it better represents Pd. The software one uses most definitely affects the outcome.
see attachment.
Mathieu Bouchard http://artengine.ca/matju
As I somehow started this thread, I want to throw in some thoughts too.
First, instead of sending logos to the mailing lists, we should really collect them on the pure-data side (I still use pine, and its not setup to view images !).
Then as it is a contest, I think it does not make too much sense to make restrictions. If someone thinks it can only be black and white and one should see the pixels ... ok.
People can submit the logos together with their reasoning why they made it this way and why it is the best of all, the only thing that we would have to do at end somehow together is to agree on one ...
I think the best way is that some one (hc ?) makes an official like description how to submit the logos (deadline in two weeks or so), then we make preselections and go together through the decision process.
It would be nice if the outcome would be other artwork too, like pd-backgrounds, pd-shirts, pd-mugs, pd-underwear, etc aso ..
Guenter
On Wed, 22 Oct 2003, Andre Schmidt wrote:
don't quite understand why i should create a pixel editor with pd to get the same result as with an "icon editor" program ???
-andre
Marc Lavall�e wrote:
On Wed, Oct 22, 2003 at 09:43:39AM -0400, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
I think we are talking about a logo from which icons will be made. I think the yin/yang came up because it looks like the letters Pd, but I agree, I don't see a strong connection to Pd. I personally think that the icon should be designed in Pd, since Pd is all about creating media.
I agree. Since pd is "graphically challenged", the logos and icons should be designed accordingly. Included is my pd icon, made with pd on Linux (it's only 137 bytes). Earlier this summer, I installed the actual pure-data.org logo, made by patrick@11h11.com.
-- Marc
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I've got a great idea... I hope someone else also tries to make one.
this logo concept requires one word...
SPIGOT!!!
:)
I'm sure I'll have some spigot logos up soon... Ben
just an idea -- i wonder if it might be best to post the potential logos on pure-data.org minus the descriptions/reasoning? not to say the reasons aren't important -- i've found the discussion fascinating so far -- but in the end, i imagine that a newcomer to PD will judge the logo, and therefore in part PD itself, on purely aesthetic grounds, and won't be much interested in the logical reasoning behind it. perhaps it might be best to also judge the icon based on purely aesthetic interests also?
i suppose i'd like to err on the side of a logo whose look itself best expressed the idea of PD, otherwise we may end up with a logo that looks aesthetically "off" but whose reasoning is sound (i'm thinking here of the awful C74 logo in particular)...
again, just an idea -- feel free to explain to me why i'm wrong!
best, nick
As I somehow started this thread, I want to throw in some thoughts too.
First, instead of sending logos to the mailing lists, we should really collect them on the pure-data side (I still use pine, and its not setup to view images !).
Then as it is a contest, I think it does not make too much sense to make restrictions. If someone thinks it can only be black and white and one should see the pixels ... ok.
People can submit the logos together with their reasoning why they made it this way and why it is the best of all, the only thing that we would have to do at end somehow together is to agree on one ...
I think the best way is that some one (hc ?) makes an official like description how to submit the logos (deadline in two weeks or so), then we make preselections and go together through the decision process.
It would be nice if the outcome would be other artwork too, like pd-backgrounds, pd-shirts, pd-mugs, pd-underwear, etc aso ..
Guenter
On Wed, 22 Oct 2003, Andre Schmidt wrote:
don't quite understand why i should create a pixel editor with pd to get the same result as with an "icon editor" program ???
-andre
Marc Lavalle wrote:
On Wed, Oct 22, 2003 at 09:43:39AM -0400, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
I think we are talking about a logo from which icons will be made. I think the yin/yang came up because it looks like the letters Pd, but I agree, I don't see a strong connection to Pd. I personally think that the icon should be designed in Pd, since Pd is all about creating media.
I agree. Since pd is "graphically challenged", the logos and icons should be designed accordingly. Included is my pd icon, made with pd on Linux (it's only 137 bytes). Earlier this summer, I installed the actual pure-data.org logo, made by patrick@11h11.com.
-- Marc
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On Wednesday, Oct 22, 2003, at 17:16 America/New_York, nick phillips
wrote:
just an idea -- i wonder if it might be best to post the potential
logos on pure-data.org minus the descriptions/reasoning? not to say the reasons aren't important -- i've found the discussion fascinating so
far -- but in the end, i imagine that a newcomer to PD will judge the logo, and therefore in part PD itself, on purely aesthetic grounds, and won't be much interested in the logical reasoning behind it. perhaps it might be best to also judge the icon based on purely aesthetic interests
also?
I tried a bit to get a page of just all of the images, but I couldn't
get plone to do it. Maybe someone else can figure out how to do it.
You could always do it manually... ug...
i suppose i'd like to err on the side of a logo whose look itself best expressed the idea of PD, otherwise we may end up with a logo that
looks aesthetically "off" but whose reasoning is sound (i'm thinking here of the awful C74 logo in particular)...
I totally agree.
.hc
again, just an idea -- feel free to explain to me why i'm wrong!
best, nick
As I somehow started this thread, I want to throw in some thoughts
too.First, instead of sending logos to the mailing lists, we should really collect them on the pure-data side (I still use pine, and its not setup to view images !).
Then as it is a contest, I think it does not make too much sense to make restrictions. If someone thinks it can only be black and white and one should see the pixels ... ok.
People can submit the logos together with their reasoning why they
made it this way and why it is the best of all, the only thing that we would
have to do at end somehow together is to agree on one ...I think the best way is that some one (hc ?) makes an official like description how to submit the logos (deadline in two weeks or so), then we make preselections and go together through the decision
process.It would be nice if the outcome would be other artwork too, like pd-backgrounds, pd-shirts, pd-mugs, pd-underwear, etc aso ..
Guenter
On Wed, 22 Oct 2003, Andre Schmidt wrote:
don't quite understand why i should create a pixel editor with pd to
get the same result as with an "icon editor" program ???-andre
Marc Lavalle wrote:
On Wed, Oct 22, 2003 at 09:43:39AM -0400, Hans-Christoph Steiner
wrote:I think we are talking about a logo from which icons will be made.
I think the yin/yang came up because it looks like the letters Pd,
but I agree, I don't see a strong connection to Pd. I personally think
that the icon should be designed in Pd, since Pd is all about creating
media.I agree. Since pd is "graphically challenged", the logos and icons
should be designed accordingly. Included is my pd icon, made with pd on
Linux (it's only 137 bytes). Earlier this summer, I installed the actual pure-data.org logo, made by patrick@11h11.com.-- Marc
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On Wednesday, Oct 22, 2003, at 15:19 America/New_York, guenter geiger
wrote:
As I somehow started this thread, I want to throw in some thoughts too.
First, instead of sending logos to the mailing lists, we should really collect them on the pure-data side (I still use pine, and its not setup to view images !).
Then as it is a contest, I think it does not make too much sense to make restrictions. If someone thinks it can only be black and white and one should see the pixels ... ok.
I think that having some restrictions actually encourages creativity.
Since it is a logo for Pd, why not have it made in Pd? I don't mean
purely, of course, just the basic idea. You can make .ico or .icns
files in Pd (yet? :). But it was just a suggestion, people are of
course free to do anything they want.
People can submit the logos together with their reasoning why they
made it this way and why it is the best of all, the only thing that we would
have to do at end somehow together is to agree on one ...I think the best way is that some one (hc ?) makes an official like description how to submit the logos (deadline in two weeks or so), then we make preselections and go together through the decision
process.
This has become more of a logo than icon contest, so I renamed the
page. Plus I added instructions:
http://www.pure-data.org/community/logos
.hc
It would be nice if the outcome would be other artwork too, like pd-backgrounds, pd-shirts, pd-mugs, pd-underwear, etc aso ..
Guenter
On Wed, 22 Oct 2003, Andre Schmidt wrote:
don't quite understand why i should create a pixel editor with pd to
get the same result as with an "icon editor" program ???-andre
Marc Lavallée wrote:
On Wed, Oct 22, 2003 at 09:43:39AM -0400, Hans-Christoph Steiner
wrote:I think we are talking about a logo from which icons will be made.
I think the yin/yang came up because it looks like the letters Pd,
but I agree, I don't see a strong connection to Pd. I personally think
that the icon should be designed in Pd, since Pd is all about creating
media.I agree. Since pd is "graphically challenged", the logos and icons
should be designed accordingly. Included is my pd icon, made with pd on
Linux (it's only 137 bytes). Earlier this summer, I installed the actual pure-data.org logo, made by patrick@11h11.com.-- Marc
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I think that having some restrictions actually encourages creativity.
It's true that restrictions can be inspiring. So, is there any reason why the restrictions shouldn't be:
1.) Logo must be in color. No black and white allowed. 2.) Logo may not be pixellated. 3.) Logo may not use the courier font.
I'm not serious about these rules, I'm just trying to make a point by way of example. The point being that if we are talking about a contest to make a logo for one person's particular installer, then certainly that person can make the rules, and perhaps have a little bit of prize money available if they want the privledge of that level of control.
But actually, there are many people who make installers, correct? But not just people who make installers, but users and developers as well. What about the opinions of the developers themselves? Are the opinions of installer makers more important than the opinions of developers?
I do not understand why, as both a developer of pd and as a user, that my opinions and tastes should be disregarded in advance because of some rules that someone has imposed which are based on their own personal preferences and tastes.
I don't see pd as a black and white utilitarian program. I see it as an expressive artistic tool with unlimited potential. Others see it as a black and white program. Of course, many users of pd use it with color. I don't see why the lack of color in the versions a few people use should be the defining and most important characteristic of the program.
- Jeff
As the "person who makes installers" in question, I must say those rules where just suggestions based on suggestions that I received on my icons. It seems as though I offended you, all I can say is that was not at all my intention. I was just saying "I think it would be cool if..." like everyone else.
.hc
On Wednesday, Oct 22, 2003, at 19:36 America/New_York, X. J. Scott wrote:
I think that having some restrictions actually encourages creativity.
It's true that restrictions can be inspiring. So, is there any reason why the restrictions shouldn't be:
1.) Logo must be in color. No black and white allowed. 2.) Logo may not be pixellated. 3.) Logo may not use the courier font.
I'm not serious about these rules, I'm just trying to make a point by way of example. The point being that if we are talking about a contest to make a logo for one person's particular installer, then certainly that person can make the rules, and perhaps have a little bit of prize money available if they want the privledge of that level of control.
But actually, there are many people who make installers, correct? But not just people who make installers, but users and developers as well. What about the opinions of the developers themselves? Are the opinions of installer makers more important than the opinions of developers?
I do not understand why, as both a developer of pd and as a user, that my opinions and tastes should be disregarded in advance because of some rules that someone has imposed which are based on their own personal preferences and tastes.
I don't see pd as a black and white utilitarian program. I see it as an expressive artistic tool with unlimited potential. Others see it as a black and white program. Of course, many users of pd use it with color. I don't see why the lack of color in the versions a few people use should be the defining and most important characteristic of the program.
- Jeff
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hi,
i get into this trendy thread to say :: mm, what about those who don't have icons on their desktops like me?
cheers, sevy
Marc Lavallée wrote:
On Wed, Oct 22, 2003 at 09:43:39AM -0400, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
I think we are talking about a logo from which icons will be made. I
think the yin/yang came up because it looks like the letters Pd, but I
agree, I don't see a strong connection to Pd. I personally think that
the icon should be designed in Pd, since Pd is all about creating media.I agree. Since pd is "graphically challenged", the logos and icons should be designed accordingly. Included is my pd icon, made with pd on Linux (it's only 137 bytes). Earlier this summer, I installed the actual pure-data.org logo, made by patrick@11h11.com.
-- Marc
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