hey, not sure if it's a good or doable idea, but the mac app store is carrying free music softwares, why not have there a version of Pd?
It might get lots of attention...
cheers
AppStore wants to lock users even more, I suggest not contribute to this ugly plan.
Besides... "If your user interface is complex or less than very good it may be rejected."
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/11/01/mac_app_store/page2.html
http://readthefuckinghig.tumblr.com/
Am 07.01.2011 um 20:42 schrieb Bernardo Barros:
AppStore wants to lock users even more, I suggest not contribute to this ugly plan.
Besides... "If your user interface is complex or less than very good it may be rejected."
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/11/01/mac_app_store/page2.html
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My point was that it seems that a non-standart UI doesn't mean that the App can't go into the Store. Apparently Apple doesn't take its own guidelines serious or they stretch “very good” from your quote:
"If your user interface is complex or less than very good it may be rejected."
Regarding the license I guess vanilla Pd could be submitted while Pd-ext can't. Personally I don't care. Happy new year.
Am 07.01.2011 um 21:43 schrieb Bernardo Barros:
Max,
you're free also not to enjoy freedom. :-)
Happy new year
On Fri, 7 Jan 2011, Max wrote:
BTW, the nineties had another site for that, which had a lot more text, from which you could actually learn, instead of OMG FAIL.
http://homepage.mac.com/bradster/iarchitect/shame.htm
It's mostly based on Windows 92 (3.1) and Windows 95 (4.0) apps, with some occasional MacOS 7.
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But kids have such a shorter attention span these days....
D.
On 1/8/11 4:29 AM, Mathieu Bouchard wrote:
BTW, the nineties had another site for that, which had a lot more text, from which you could actually learn, instead of OMG FAIL.
Regarding ugly plan: Is app store 'lock-in' any different from apple's usual hardware' lock in' for laptops/desktops? Pd still runs on those platforms so why not port ipad, ipod, iphone upud, ipid etc?
In any case isnt RJDJ the port for Pd to this platform anyway ? I could be wrong- not 100%
On Sat, Jan 8, 2011 at 10:11 AM, Derek Holzer derek@umatic.nl wrote:
But kids have such a shorter attention span these days....
D.
On 1/8/11 4:29 AM, Mathieu Bouchard wrote:
BTW, the nineties had another site for that, which had a lot more text,
from which you could actually learn, instead of OMG FAIL.
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I don't want to loose time to studying apple guidelines. One question is important since it was an issue with the iPhone store: is GPL compatible with this stuff?
http://www.fsf.org/news/2010-05-app-store-compliance
best! bernardo
Related: "Apple has finally pulled Applidium's VLC video player app from the iTunes store due to a licensing discrepancy. The situation is one of the prominent examples of conflict between the open-source GNU General Public License, which is tied to the VLC player, and the terms detailed in Apple's own App Store licensing."
http://www.macnn.com/articles/11/01/07/move.said.to.be.related.to.licensing....
cheers, p.
Read more: http://www.macnn.com/articles/11/01/07/move.said.to.be.related.to.licensing....
On Sat, Jan 8, 2011 at 2:54 PM, Bernardo Barros bernardobarros2@gmail.com wrote:
I don't want to loose time to studying apple guidelines. One question is important since it was an issue with the iPhone store: is GPL compatible with this stuff?
http://www.fsf.org/news/2010-05-app-store-compliance
best! bernardo
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On Sat, 8 Jan 2011 10:53:37 +0000 ALAN BROOKER alan.brooker2010@gmail.com wrote:
Regarding ugly plan: Is app store 'lock-in' any different from apple's usual hardware' lock in' for laptops/desktops? Pd still runs on those platforms so why not port ipad, ipod, iphone upud, ipid etc?
In any case isnt RJDJ the port for Pd to this platform anyway ? I could be wrong- not 100%
I wouldn't say it's a port of of Pd, not as an application. It's a port of Pd to support a specific application class with its own interfaces.
The GUI for Pd on a tablet would be quite different anyway, to take advantage of that device's touch gestures, a direct port of the keyboard oriented interface would miss an opportunity.
Regarding Apple, who are only one manufacturer of mobile and tablet devices; I think this is a moral issue that can be easily settled by watching this famous advertisement,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYecfV3ubP8
and comparing the stance implied there with their position 25 years later.
On Sat, Jan 8, 2011 at 10:11 AM, Derek Holzer derek@umatic.nl wrote:
But kids have such a shorter attention span these days....
D.
On 1/8/11 4:29 AM, Mathieu Bouchard wrote:
BTW, the nineties had another site for that, which had a lot more text,
from which you could actually learn, instead of OMG FAIL.
-- ::: derek holzer ::: http://macumbista.net ::: ---Oblique Strategy # 46: "Disconnect from desire"
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ahh yes that definition of RJDJ is clear now...
It's nice have Pd ported to here and there but perhaps time need to sort of licence matters would not make it worth it.
I remember using Pd for the old ipods via ipod linux- that was a really good project,
On Sat, Jan 8, 2011 at 7:38 PM, Andy Farnell padawan12@obiwannabe.co.ukwrote:
On Sat, 8 Jan 2011 10:53:37 +0000 ALAN BROOKER alan.brooker2010@gmail.com wrote:
Regarding ugly plan: Is app store 'lock-in' any different from apple's
usual
hardware' lock in' for laptops/desktops? Pd still runs on those platforms
so
why not port ipad, ipod, iphone upud, ipid etc?
In any case isnt RJDJ the port for Pd to this platform anyway ? I could
be
wrong- not 100%
I wouldn't say it's a port of of Pd, not as an application. It's a port of Pd to support a specific application class with its own interfaces.
The GUI for Pd on a tablet would be quite different anyway, to take advantage of that device's touch gestures, a direct port of the keyboard oriented interface would miss an opportunity.
Regarding Apple, who are only one manufacturer of mobile and tablet devices; I think this is a moral issue that can be easily settled by watching this famous advertisement,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYecfV3ubP8
and comparing the stance implied there with their position 25 years later.
On Sat, Jan 8, 2011 at 10:11 AM, Derek Holzer derek@umatic.nl wrote:
But kids have such a shorter attention span these days....
D.
On 1/8/11 4:29 AM, Mathieu Bouchard wrote:
BTW, the nineties had another site for that, which had a lot more
text,
from which you could actually learn, instead of OMG FAIL.
-- ::: derek holzer ::: http://macumbista.net ::: ---Oblique Strategy # 46: "Disconnect from desire"
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2011/1/9 ALAN BROOKER alan.brooker2010@gmail.com:
ahh yes that definition of RJDJ is clear now... It's nice have Pd ported to here and there but perhaps time need to sort of licence matters would not make it worth it. I remember using Pd for the old ipods via ipod linux- that was a really good project,
Just remember that AppleStore is planed not just to ipad/iphone/etc. It's part of the design of MacOS 10.7 'Lion' |o|
On Sat, 8 Jan 2011, Derek Holzer wrote:
But kids have such a shorter attention span these days....
We're not talking about the same kind of readership.
Those who care about UI will read the text of the Hall-of-Shame and find it to be surprisingly contemporary, even if they're «kids».
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AppStore wants to lock users even more, I suggest not contribute to this ugly plan.
I haven't read or thought about it. But you'd have to tell how is that so, and how evil it is, then I may see why it's a bad idea.
Don't know if it's doable anyway, and something tells me it might not be...
I have to say I never had an ipod/pad/phone or bought anything from iTunes, so I'm not aware of the apple deals and issues on it...
2011/1/7 Alexandre Porres porres@gmail.com
AppStore wants to lock users even more, I suggest not contribute to this ugly plan.
I haven't read or thought about it. But you'd have to tell how is that so, and how evil it is, then I may see why it's a bad idea.
Don't know if it's doable anyway, and something tells me it might not be...