Derek Holzer wrote:
As Roman already so eloquently suggested....
EVERYONE PLEASE STOP THIS NOW.
You're all adults enough that no one needs to get the last word in. I hope.
Thanks, derek
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sorry, _nobody_ can stop a discussion here, and not in this authoritative way... ( except if it _disturbs_ you, which is kind of revelating )
there's no 'PLEASE STOP' there is 'YES PLEASE HURT ME!', that's all we can take here.
i was disconnected for some days, but you might know more soon.
and as derek yourself you said once : 'thank you, pueblo!' ( for downloading objects from her site ) so to hell if you're not concerned how girls are treated in the pd community ( actually just as meat and object of greasy jokes ), so again, yeh, sorry, they won't participate to nothing here!
from the south, sevy
so to hell if you're not concerned how girls are treated in the pd community ( actually just as meat and object of greasy jokes ), so again, yeh, sorry, they won't participate to nothing here!
yves, I haven't noticed anything offensive on the list like you describe (maybe you're mixing life on the streets with life on the pd-list? :)) In my experience the discussion here is respectful and helpful, and it's *usually* about PD... I agree that there's no point in agitating to prematurely end a relevant discussion - but personally I got bored a while ago, and I don't think this thread is on-topic anymore (bored/irritated != disturbed). I think it would be a better use of everyone's time to get back to discussing Pure Data. best,
-David M.
MIT Media Lab dmerrill@media.mit.edu http://web.media.mit.edu/~dmerrill/ http://web.media.mit.edu/%7Edmerrill/
there's no 'PLEASE STOP' there is 'YES PLEASE HURT ME!', that's all we can take here.
That's funny... "yes please hurt me" is also my "safe word" (just a little joke to illustrate how some 'fringe' vernacular enters into common usage... we all know what that means)
but it is really kind of important to consider how types of jargon become common usage, despite having sexist or ethnocentric overtones (resulting in an inharmonic series of posts... see "gang bang" or "mongolian hordes technique").
I think we could have had a constructive conversation about sexism on the pd-list, but argumentative and egotistical comments dominated things. It's not a good way to persuade other people, or get to the core of the matter.
I think you can see that many people care about the creation of an intolerant culture on pd-list which discourages other people. But the thread was just not helping.
in the absence of anything constructive, I'd rather talk about beer. Yes, beer.
Chuck
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