well i can do the graphical/design side of a redesign, or some of it anyway... as long as i'm not bombarded by conflicting requests from lots of people ;-)
all the best
adam
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On 10/16/06, adam armfield adamairmailed@yahoo.com wrote:
well i can do the graphical/design side of a redesign, or some of it anyway... as long as i'm not bombarded by conflicting requests from lots of people ;-)
all the best
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come on then... requirements gathering whatsit
whats good at the moment? what needs improving? how would you like it to be ideally?
discuss
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On 10/16/06, adam armfield adamairmailed@yahoo.com wrote:
well i can do the graphical/design side of a
redesign,
or some of it anyway... as long as i'm not
bombarded
by conflicting requests from lots of people ;-)
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I really do enjoy the layout on the Processing site (http://processing.org/), since it is very clean and has lots of pictures and a big fat examples section on the front page. If we are trying to market Pd to new users, this is THE most important thing (as previously asserted).
I also enjoy their utilization of subdomains. We could do this with things like http://gem.puredata.org, http://gridflow.puredata.org, http://pidip.puredata.org, etc.
Also, it would be best if the forum was attached to the main website by at least a prominent link/redirect, if not actually in server space. But we definitely need more pictures: unless you're trying to show off by running lynx, the internet is not a purely textual medium. Besides, the people who actually DO patch Pd without a GUI probably aren't so interested in visiting a more marketing-oriented site anyway. Maybe we could do http://nogui.puredata.org?
~Kyle
On 10/16/06, adam armfield adamairmailed@yahoo.com wrote:
come on then... requirements gathering whatsit
whats good at the moment? what needs improving? how would you like it to be ideally?
discuss
--- Kyle Klipowicz kyleklip@gmail.com wrote:
Please do. Pllllleeeeaaaaassssseeeee!!!!!
~Kyle
On 10/16/06, adam armfield adamairmailed@yahoo.com wrote:
well i can do the graphical/design side of a
redesign,
or some of it anyway... as long as i'm not
bombarded
by conflicting requests from lots of people ;-)
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Hallo, adam armfield hat gesagt: // adam armfield wrote:
well i can do the graphical/design side of a redesign, or some of it anyway... as long as i'm not bombarded by conflicting requests from lots of people ;-)
We're actually looking for a graphical redesign for the pd.info page for quite some time. A nice Pd-Plone skin is what's needed. There were people promising to do something about it, but that was months ago and will probably not happen.
So if anybody wants to contribute a Plone Skin: you're very much welcome to create one.
Ciao
Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org_ __goto10.org__
Hey Pd-list
On 16/10/2006, at 18.50, Frank Barknecht wrote:
adam armfield hat gesagt: // adam armfield wrote:
well i can do the graphical/design side of a redesign, or some of it anyway... as long as i'm not bombarded by conflicting requests from lots of people ;-)
We're actually looking for a graphical redesign for the pd.info page for quite some time. A nice Pd-Plone skin is what's needed.
Will a Plone skin do what Kyle suggests? I'm really into the
underlaying idea present in Kyle's suggestion, not so much for the
graphical changes, but for the structural changes.
PDDP is more then unifying the looks of the help-patches and
developing the interactive tutorial. I very much agree that it is a
very high priority, and am really grateful for the work being done -
no doubt. But with the current discussion on the subject of the
website and PR, it would be great to see work done to re-structure
it, such that new users by the hand of a transparent angle can be
guided into the land of Pd.
I also know, that things only get done when people voluntarily
actually do it (as in any anarchistic environment). Therefor, though
i can't promise it, i will see to make a prober proposal for such a
change. Much will stay the same, as the present documentation of the
Pd scene isn't done by fools, most sertanly the complete opposite,
but i think i have quite unspoiled eyes, to see where changes could
be to the better, as i have done very little work in Pd and therefor
don't know very much.
Now; would it be welcome?
Best, (another) steffen
Hallo, Steffen hat gesagt: // Steffen wrote:
I also know, that things only get done when people voluntarily
actually do it (as in any anarchistic environment). Therefor, though
i can't promise it, i will see to make a prober proposal for such a
change. Much will stay the same, as the present documentation of the
Pd scene isn't done by fools, most sertanly the complete opposite,
but i think i have quite unspoiled eyes, to see where changes could
be to the better, as i have done very little work in Pd and therefor
don't know very much.Now; would it be welcome?
I think, this is a great idea, and an outside view (spoiled or not ;) is good to have.
Everyone who wants to get more involved how the website should look like and be structured should probably subscribe to the pdweb list: http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pdweb
Also check out the prior postings there in the archives to get a feel for what was discussed already. However this may spoil your view, so feel free to do this later.
Ciao
Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org_ __goto10.org__
On 16/10/2006, at 22.01, Frank Barknecht wrote:
Hallo, Steffen hat gesagt: // Steffen wrote:
I also know, that things only get done when people voluntarily actually do it (as in any anarchistic environment). Therefor, though i can't promise it, i will see to make a prober proposal for such a change. Much will stay the same, as the present documentation of the Pd scene isn't done by fools, most sertanly the complete opposite, but i think i have quite unspoiled eyes, to see where changes could be to the better, as i have done very little work in Pd and therefor don't know very much.
Now; would it be welcome?
I think, this is a great idea, and an outside view (spoiled or not ;) is good to have.
Everyone who wants to get more involved how the website should look like and be structured should probably subscribe to the pdweb list: http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pdweb
okay dokay - i'll post to he pdweb list when done.
Best, steffen
Hello;
Here are some of the topics that I think it would be useful to have
available on the website:
- What it is, in simple terminology
- What people are doing with it
- How to install it - where to find different versions, and a sub-
page with 'common problems' that people have when installing
- Some simple tutorials with patches (the first howto on the current
page is Miller's book!)
How does this list strike other people? I've tried to keep sort-of
within the boundaries of the current website structure.
Pete
On 17 Oct 2006, at 09:47, Steffen wrote:
On 16/10/2006, at 22.01, Frank Barknecht wrote:
Hallo, Steffen hat gesagt: // Steffen wrote:
I also know, that things only get done when people voluntarily actually do it (as in any anarchistic environment). Therefor, though i can't promise it, i will see to make a prober proposal for such a change. Much will stay the same, as the present documentation of the Pd scene isn't done by fools, most sertanly the complete opposite, but i think i have quite unspoiled eyes, to see where changes could be to the better, as i have done very little work in Pd and therefor don't know very much.
Now; would it be welcome?
I think, this is a great idea, and an outside view (spoiled or not ;) is good to have.
Everyone who wants to get more involved how the website should look like and be structured should probably subscribe to the pdweb list: http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pdweb
okay dokay - i'll post to he pdweb list when done.
Best, steffen
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Another cool thing that we should add is a section for completed works: mp3's/ogg's, mov's/avi's, etc. I really am inspired when I watch things like the Henry Bros doing insane physical modeling a/v stuff in real time on a video. This is also nice because you don't have to share your "secrets," but can still let people see what is possible with Pd.
Every senior list member should be responsible for showing at least one super bad-assed creation on the website to boost newbie morale.
~Kyle
On 10/17/06, Pete Hindle petehindle@gmx.co.uk wrote:
Hello;
Here are some of the topics that I think it would be useful to have available on the website:
- What it is, in simple terminology
- What people are doing with it
- How to install it - where to find different versions, and a sub-
page with 'common problems' that people have when installing
- Some simple tutorials with patches (the first howto on the current
page is Miller's book!)
How does this list strike other people? I've tried to keep sort-of within the boundaries of the current website structure.
Pete
On 17 Oct 2006, at 09:47, Steffen wrote:
On 16/10/2006, at 22.01, Frank Barknecht wrote:
Hallo, Steffen hat gesagt: // Steffen wrote:
I also know, that things only get done when people voluntarily actually do it (as in any anarchistic environment). Therefor, though i can't promise it, i will see to make a prober proposal for such a change. Much will stay the same, as the present documentation of the Pd scene isn't done by fools, most sertanly the complete opposite, but i think i have quite unspoiled eyes, to see where changes could be to the better, as i have done very little work in Pd and therefor don't know very much.
Now; would it be welcome?
I think, this is a great idea, and an outside view (spoiled or not ;) is good to have.
Everyone who wants to get more involved how the website should look like and be structured should probably subscribe to the pdweb list: http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pdweb
okay dokay - i'll post to he pdweb list when done.
Best, steffen
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the mailing list turns into a bit of a pissing contest sometimes.
How can we improve this situation and make the list friendlier?<<
i don't think it really needs to get friendlier. just maybe direct newer people to the forum~ cos it seems to be a better place to ask basic patching queastions.
On 17/10/2006, at 16.46, hard off wrote:
i don't think it really needs to get friendlier. just maybe direct newer people to the forum~ cos it seems to be a better place to ask basic patching queastions.
in my humble opinion, if the pd-list has no room for that, which i
think it should, then a novice list would be appropriate.
i see no reason, why not all questions could be asked in this list. i'm against any unjustified separation between noobs and proofs.
On Tue, 2006-10-17 at 23:46 +0900, hard off wrote:
the mailing list turns into a bit of a pissing contest sometimes.
How can we improve this situation and make the list friendlier?<<
i don't think it really needs to get friendlier. just maybe direct newer people to the forum~ cos it seems to be a better place to ask basic patching queastions.
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"i see no reason, why not all questions could be asked in this list. i'm against any unjustified separation between noobs and proofs."
i really agree with roman here. what is the separation about. i think that one who really is in close touch with the programm and knows a lot about it can be of excellent help to people who are new, if they feel humble enough to talk to each other...and people who are completetly new may post questions nobody has ever thought of.
alexandre
Well, we DO have the pd-dev list if you want to be REALLY hard core ;-).
~Kyle
On 10/18/06, alexandre r. decoupigny alex.decoupigny@gmail.com wrote:
"i see no reason, why not all questions could be asked in this list. i'm against any unjustified separation between noobs and proofs."
i really agree with roman here. what is the separation about. i think that one who really is in close touch with the programm and knows a lot about it can be of excellent help to people who are new, if they feel humble enough to talk to each other...and people who are completetly new may post questions nobody has ever thought of.
alexandre
""Every senior list member should be responsible for showing at least one super bad-assed creation on the website to boost newbie morale.""
that is the best idea EVER,
when the pd parliment next meets, can that get signed into law?
Only if you know how to lobby. I think the going price is 5 Arduino chips and a RME Hammerfall Card. ;-)
~Kyle
On 10/18/06, hard off hard.off@gmail.com wrote:
""Every senior list member should be responsible for showing at least one super bad-assed creation on the website to boost newbie morale.""
that is the best idea EVER,
when the pd parliment next meets, can that get signed into law?
On Oct 18, 2006, at 5:05 AM, alexandre r. decoupigny wrote:
"i see no reason, why not all questions could be asked in this
list. i'm against any unjustified separation between noobs and proofs."i really agree with roman here. what is the separation about. i
think that one who really is in close touch with the programm and knows a lot
about it can be of excellent help to people who are new, if they
feel humble enough to talk to each other...and people who are
completetly new may post questions nobody has ever thought of.
I also think that we should not have separate lists for noobs and
profis. But I do think we should have a webforum. Many people only
use webforums, so I think that such people should also have a place
to discuss all things Pd.
If the puredata.hurleur.com forums are working that's fine. If
someone is willing to set up forums on puredata.info, then I think
that would be better, so we have everything on one site.
.hc
News is what people want to keep hidden and everything else is
publicity. - Bill Moyers
I like that idea, a gallery section on the front page and a really
easy way to post to it would be a good way. Like the processing.org
stuff on the left side of the page.
.hc
On Oct 17, 2006, at 9:58 AM, Kyle Klipowicz wrote:
Another cool thing that we should add is a section for completed
works: mp3's/ogg's, mov's/avi's, etc. I really am inspired when I
watch things like the Henry Bros doing insane physical modeling a/v
stuff in real time on a video. This is also nice because you don't
have to share your "secrets," but can still let people see what is
possible with Pd.Every senior list member should be responsible for showing at least
one super bad-assed creation on the website to boost newbie morale.~Kyle
On 10/17/06, Pete Hindle petehindle@gmx.co.uk wrote: Hello;
Here are some of the topics that I think it would be useful to have available on the website:
- What it is, in simple terminology
- What people are doing with it
- How to install it - where to find different versions, and a sub-
page with 'common problems' that people have when installing
- Some simple tutorials with patches (the first howto on the current
page is Miller's book!)
How does this list strike other people? I've tried to keep sort-of within the boundaries of the current website structure.
Pete
On 17 Oct 2006, at 09:47, Steffen wrote:
On 16/10/2006, at 22.01, Frank Barknecht wrote:
Hallo, Steffen hat gesagt: // Steffen wrote:
I also know, that things only get done when people voluntarily actually do it (as in any anarchistic environment). Therefor,
though
i can't promise it, i will see to make a prober proposal for
such a
change. Much will stay the same, as the present documentation
of the
Pd scene isn't done by fools, most sertanly the complete opposite, but i think i have quite unspoiled eyes, to see where changes
could
be to the better, as i have done very little work in Pd and
therefor
don't know very much.
Now; would it be welcome?
I think, this is a great idea, and an outside view (spoiled or
not ;)
is good to have.
Everyone who wants to get more involved how the website should look like and be structured should probably subscribe to the pdweb list: http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pdweb
okay dokay - i'll post to he pdweb list when done.
Best, steffen
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"[W]e have invented the technology to eliminate scarcity, but we are
deliberately throwing it away to benefit those who profit from
scarcity." -John Gilmore
http://puredata.org/docs is a wiki, so please add to it. All those
sound like good ideas. That stuff could probably use some
organization also. But just make sure to communicate on the pdweb
list before doing big changes.
Also, I think it works if we delegate sections to people. I
currently work on /dev/ and /docs/developer/ I have been doing most
of /docs/, but I'd happily give up some of that.
.hc
On Oct 17, 2006, at 5:45 AM, Pete Hindle wrote:
Hello;
Here are some of the topics that I think it would be useful to have
available on the website:
- What it is, in simple terminology
- What people are doing with it
- How to install it - where to find different versions, and a sub-
page with 'common problems' that people have when installing
- Some simple tutorials with patches (the first howto on the
current page is Miller's book!)
How does this list strike other people? I've tried to keep sort-of
within the boundaries of the current website structure.Pete
On 17 Oct 2006, at 09:47, Steffen wrote:
On 16/10/2006, at 22.01, Frank Barknecht wrote:
Hallo, Steffen hat gesagt: // Steffen wrote:
I also know, that things only get done when people voluntarily actually do it (as in any anarchistic environment). Therefor,
though i can't promise it, i will see to make a prober proposal for such a change. Much will stay the same, as the present documentation of
the Pd scene isn't done by fools, most sertanly the complete opposite, but i think i have quite unspoiled eyes, to see where changes could be to the better, as i have done very little work in Pd and
therefor don't know very much.Now; would it be welcome?
I think, this is a great idea, and an outside view (spoiled or
not ;) is good to have.Everyone who wants to get more involved how the website should look like and be structured should probably subscribe to the pdweb list: http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pdweb
okay dokay - i'll post to he pdweb list when done.
Best, steffen
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