Related to a question someone just asked:
How exactly does one control the appearance of GOP subpatches in the master patch? I always end up with sliders stuck together and overlapping on my master patches...
Thanks, David
P.S. : I'm recently getting back into PD/GEM in a more serious way, so be expecting to get a lot of questions from me. I'm hoping I don't have to end up resorting to Max/MSP + Jitter, but still some things I need seem missing. Of course, one issue is no [hid] [pdp] or [pidip] on Windows ... if there was a SIMPLE and audio-ready Linux install I could use just for PD as a second OS on my laptop I'd consider it, but my past (bad) experiences installing Linux have not made me too keen on trying this...
Zitiere cyborgk@nocturnalnoize.com:
Related to a question someone just asked:
How exactly does one control the appearance of GOP subpatches in the master patch? I always end up with sliders stuck together and overlapping on my master patches...
the solution is to switch to pd-0.39
mfg.,.asdr IOhannes
Ay there's the rub ... I only JUST got Hans installer working with GEM and all the externals for the first time. I could never get things to work correctly before, and I'm deathly afraid of breaking it ... I believe that is PD-0.384.
Can I install the new PD over top without losing all my libraries and externals and the nice documentation, which while it has gaps, is far better than anything that existed before.
I'm on Windows XP, and I really don't wish to break this now that it works for the first time in a year and a half...
~David
Zitiere cyborgk@nocturnalnoize.com:
Related to a question someone just asked:
How exactly does one control the appearance of GOP subpatches in the master patch? I always end up with sliders stuck together and overlapping on my master patches...
the solution is to switch to pd-0.39
mfg.,.asdr IOhannes
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cyborgk@nocturnalnoize.com wrote:
Ay there's the rub ... I only JUST got Hans installer working with GEM and all the externals for the first time. I could never get things to work correctly before, and I'm deathly afraid of breaking it ... I believe that is PD-0.384.
Can I install the new PD over top without losing all my libraries and externals and the nice documentation, which while it has gaps, is far better than anything that existed before.
I'm on Windows XP, and I really don't wish to break this now that it works for the first time in a year and a half...
It usually works OK if you add the path to your existing libraries and externals to the new pd, if the new pd is not installed but just put there. e.g. I have pd039_2_test7 from Miller's site in C:\pd_039 while the installed version is in C:\Program Files\pd. As long as I don't double-click on a pd patch I can use pd_039 with the libraries from C:\Program Files\pd\extra.
Martin
Well, I hope to start generating 0.39.2-extended builds in about a
month or so. Any help is always appreciated, and will make things go
quicker.
.hc
On Feb 7, 2006, at 4:35 PM, cyborgk@nocturnalnoize.com wrote:
Ay there's the rub ... I only JUST got Hans installer working with GEM
and all the externals for the first time. I could never get things to work correctly before, and I'm deathly afraid of breaking it ... I believe
that is PD-0.384.Can I install the new PD over top without losing all my libraries and externals and the nice documentation, which while it has gaps, is far better than anything that existed before.
I'm on Windows XP, and I really don't wish to break this now that it
works for the first time in a year and a half...~David
Zitiere cyborgk@nocturnalnoize.com:
Related to a question someone just asked:
How exactly does one control the appearance of GOP subpatches in the master patch? I always end up with sliders stuck together and overlapping on my master patches...
the solution is to switch to pd-0.39
mfg.,.asdr IOhannes
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Hi David
On 7-Feb-06, at 3:46 PM, cyborgk@nocturnalnoize.com wrote:
Related to a question someone just asked:
How exactly does one control the appearance of GOP subpatches in the master patch? I always end up with sliders stuck together and
overlapping on my master patches...
Like IOhannes says, 0.39 is a _way_ big improvement for GOP, but if
you're on 0.38 (because hc's installer is awesome) you should check
out Frank Barknecht's "GOP done right":
http://footils.org/cms/show/31
if there was a SIMPLE and audio-ready Linux install I could use
just for PD as a second OS on my laptop I'd consider it, but my past (bad) experiences installing Linux have not made me too keen on trying
this...
Have you tried DeMuDi recently?
cheers dafydd
www.sideshowmedia.ca
Hallo, dafydd hughes hat gesagt: // dafydd hughes wrote:
Like IOhannes says, 0.39 is a _way_ big improvement for GOP, but if
you're on 0.38 (because hc's installer is awesome) you should check
out Frank Barknecht's "GOP done right":
Or Chun Lee's pd-gop at: http://goto10.org/-/pdgop.html for a deeper explanation.
However if you have you read this and if you tried once how immensely more useful GOP became in pd-0.39 you'll never want to look back. Add to that the [list] object which was also new in 0.39 and I can only recommend to upgrade. And if you intend to use data structures, that's a third argument for upgrading or at least installing pd-0.39 in parallel.
At least you should not waste too much time in understanding how GOP worked in Pd versions < 0.39, it totally changed for the better.
Ciao
Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org_ __goto10.org__
Hi,
Well, I just tried the new PD, but I can't tell any difference. I guess I'm missing something?
On the other hand, I used your tutorial with the 0.384 and it worked GREAT!
~David
Frank Barknecht wrote:
Hallo, dafydd hughes hat gesagt: // dafydd hughes wrote:
Like IOhannes says, 0.39 is a _way_ big improvement for GOP, but if
you're on 0.38 (because hc's installer is awesome) you should check
out Frank Barknecht's "GOP done right":Or Chun Lee's pd-gop at: http://goto10.org/-/pdgop.html for a deeper explanation.
However if you have you read this and if you tried once how immensely more useful GOP became in pd-0.39 you'll never want to look back. Add to that the [list] object which was also new in 0.39 and I can only recommend to upgrade. And if you intend to use data structures, that's a third argument for upgrading or at least installing pd-0.39 in parallel.
At least you should not waste too much time in understanding how GOP worked in Pd versions < 0.39, it totally changed for the better.
Ciao
Okay, never mind, I see it, but I don't understand how to make it look good ...
Also, as I thought, PD 0.392 can't see my libraries. I put them in the Path, hit "apply" and "save settings" ... Nothing. But the 0.384 library runs fine. This is what I get:
Gem: can't load library cyclone: can't load library zexy: can't load library cxc: can't load library ext13: can't load library iemabs: can't load library iemmatrix: can't load library markex: can't load library maxlib: can't load library memento: can't load library mjlib: can't load library motex: can't load library oscx: can't load library pddp: can't load library pdogg: can't load library pdp: can't load library pidip: can't load library pixeltango: can't load library pmpd: can't load library rradical: can't load library sigpack: can't load library smlib: can't load library toxy: can't load library unauthorized: can't load library vbap: can't load library xsample: can't load library
~David
David Powers wrote:
Hi,
Well, I just tried the new PD, but I can't tell any difference. I guess I'm missing something?
On the other hand, I used your tutorial with the 0.384 and it worked GREAT!
~David
Frank Barknecht wrote:
Hallo, dafydd hughes hat gesagt: // dafydd hughes wrote:
Like IOhannes says, 0.39 is a _way_ big improvement for GOP, but if
you're on 0.38 (because hc's installer is awesome) you should check
out Frank Barknecht's "GOP done right":Or Chun Lee's pd-gop at: http://goto10.org/-/pdgop.html for a deeper explanation.
However if you have you read this and if you tried once how immensely more useful GOP became in pd-0.39 you'll never want to look back. Add to that the [list] object which was also new in 0.39 and I can only recommend to upgrade. And if you intend to use data structures, that's a third argument for upgrading or at least installing pd-0.39 in parallel.
At least you should not waste too much time in understanding how GOP worked in Pd versions < 0.39, it totally changed for the better.
Ciao
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David Powers wrote:
Okay, never mind, I see it, but I don't understand how to make it look good ...
Also, as I thought, PD 0.392 can't see my libraries. I put them in the Path, hit "apply" and "save settings" ... Nothing. But the 0.384 library runs fine. This is what I get:
You might have to manually adjust the path after doing that. I currently have a path that looks like: C:/Program Files/Pure Data/extra ...in the path dialog, which lets me load libraries from 038, but I seem to remember the first time I looked at it after applying and saving and restarting, the slashes were wrong or doubled and I had to reverse them or somesuch... Martin
No the path looks exactly right! I copied it straight out of the 0.384 dialogue. It's stuff like this that makes me feel stupid and frustrated. It should work, but... ?
The path looks like this: "C:/Program Files/pd/extra/cyclone" ... and that is where the library really is at, so I can't understand the problem. I will try rebooting just in case that makes some difference.
~David
Martin Peach wrote:
David Powers wrote:
Okay, never mind, I see it, but I don't understand how to make it look good ...
Also, as I thought, PD 0.392 can't see my libraries. I put them in the Path, hit "apply" and "save settings" ... Nothing. But the 0.384 library runs fine. This is what I get:
You might have to manually adjust the path after doing that. I currently have a path that looks like: C:/Program Files/Pure Data/extra ...in the path dialog, which lets me load libraries from 038, but I seem to remember the first time I looked at it after applying and saving and restarting, the slashes were wrong or doubled and I had to reverse them or somesuch... Martin
David Powers wrote:
No the path looks exactly right! I copied it straight out of the 0.384 dialogue. It's stuff like this that makes me feel stupid and frustrated. It should work, but... ?
The path looks like this: "C:/Program Files/pd/extra/cyclone" ... and that is where the library really is at, so I can't understand the problem. I will try rebooting just in case that makes some difference.
I put "cyclone" into the Startup dialog and "C:/Program Files/Pure Data/extra" into the Path dialog. If you put the whole path into the Path dialog, it's going to look for cyclone inside a directory cyclone, which doesn't exist. You could put the whole path into Startup if you like.
Martin
Okay, I'm getting closer - If I put just the "C:/Program Files/pd/extra/" in my path I get GEM, pmpd, and xsample, but not the others... What exactly do I put under the "Startup" part to get the libraries that aren't loading then?? Here is my output now:
GEM: Graphics Environment for Multimedia GEM: ver: 0.90 GEM: compiled: Aug 3 2004 GEM: maintained by IOhannes m zmoelnig GEM: Authors : Mark Danks (original version on irix/windows) GEM: Chris Clepper (macOS-X) GEM: Daniel Heckenberg (windows) GEM: James Tittle (macOS-X) GEM: IOhannes m zmoelnig (linux/windows) cyclone: can't load library zexy: can't load library cxc: can't load library ext13: can't load library iemabs: can't load library iemmatrix: can't load library markex: can't load library maxlib: can't load library memento: can't load library mjlib: can't load library motex: can't load library oscx: can't load library pddp: can't load library pdogg: can't load library pdp: can't load library pidip: can't load library pixeltango: can't load library
pmpd = Physical Modeling for Pure Data
version 0.06
compiled Jan 16 2006
Contact : cyrille.henry@la-kitchen.fr
rradical: can't load library sigpack: can't load library smlib: can't load library toxy: can't load library unauthorized: can't load library
xsample objects, version 0.3.1
xrecord~, xplay~, xgroove~
(C)2001-2005 Thomas Grill
Martin Peach wrote:
David Powers wrote:
No the path looks exactly right! I copied it straight out of the 0.384 dialogue. It's stuff like this that makes me feel stupid and frustrated. It should work, but... ?
The path looks like this: "C:/Program Files/pd/extra/cyclone" ... and that is where the library really is at, so I can't understand the problem. I will try rebooting just in case that makes some difference.
I put "cyclone" into the Startup dialog and "C:/Program Files/Pure Data/extra" into the Path dialog. If you put the whole path into the Path dialog, it's going to look for cyclone inside a directory cyclone, which doesn't exist. You could put the whole path into Startup if you like.
Martin
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Remove all those the ones that are not loading from the Startup section.
Then add them to the Path section like this:
Remove from Startup:
maxlib
Add to Path:
"C:/Program Files/pd/extra/maxlib"
.hc
On Feb 7, 2006, at 7:42 PM, David Powers wrote:
Okay, I'm getting closer - If I put just the "C:/Program
Files/pd/extra/" in my path I get GEM, pmpd, and xsample, but not the
others... What exactly do I put under the "Startup" part to get the
libraries that aren't loading then?? Here is my output now:GEM: Graphics Environment for Multimedia GEM: ver: 0.90 GEM: compiled: Aug 3 2004 GEM: maintained by IOhannes m zmoelnig GEM: Authors : Mark Danks (original version on irix/windows) GEM: Chris Clepper (macOS-X) GEM: Daniel Heckenberg (windows) GEM: James Tittle (macOS-X) GEM: IOhannes m zmoelnig (linux/windows) cyclone: can't load library zexy: can't load library cxc: can't load library ext13: can't load library iemabs: can't load library iemmatrix: can't load library markex: can't load library maxlib: can't load library memento: can't load library mjlib: can't load library motex: can't load library oscx: can't load library pddp: can't load library pdogg: can't load library pdp: can't load library pidip: can't load library pixeltango: can't load library
pmpd = Physical Modeling for Pure Data version 0.06 compiled Jan 16 2006 Contact : cyrille.henry@la-kitchen.frrradical: can't load library sigpack: can't load library smlib: can't load library toxy: can't load library unauthorized: can't load library
xsample objects, version 0.3.1
xrecord~, xplay~, xgroove~ (C)2001-2005 Thomas Grill
Martin Peach wrote:
David Powers wrote:
No the path looks exactly right! I copied it straight out of the
0.384 dialogue. It's stuff like this that makes me feel stupid and
frustrated. It should work, but... ?The path looks like this: "C:/Program Files/pd/extra/cyclone" ...
and that is where the library really is at, so I can't understand
the problem. I will try rebooting just in case that makes some
difference.I put "cyclone" into the Startup dialog and "C:/Program Files/Pure
Data/extra" into the Path dialog. If you put the whole path into the
Path dialog, it's going to look for cyclone inside a directory
cyclone, which doesn't exist. You could put the whole path into
Startup if you like.Martin
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Bad news!!! :(
Now, none of the libraries load, except GEM, xsample, and pmpd, into EITHER version of PD (384, 392), even though they are in different places in my Program Files folder. I did not change 0.38.4, but somehow it has picked up the problem from 0.39.2. I tried to reinstall 0.38.4 and it didn't make any difference either.
In 0.38.4, when I open the "Paths", the paths all look correct, as I didn't change them. HOWEVER, when I try to open the "Startup" dialogue, NOTHING HAPPENS. So, obviously there is some problem here - is there some kind of external file that I could fix with a text editor???
I'm very frustrated. Especially because, we are starting Chicago PD meetings and I could probably make some cool stuff to share and bring some more people into using PD, but not if I can't get it to work!!!
~David
PS. Starting output as follows:
GEM: Graphics Environment for Multimedia GEM: ver: 0.90 GEM: compiled: Aug 3 2004 GEM: maintained by IOhannes m zmoelnig GEM: Authors : Mark Danks (original version on irix/windows) GEM: Chris Clepper (macOS-X) GEM: Daniel Heckenberg (windows) GEM: James Tittle (macOS-X) GEM: IOhannes m zmoelnig (linux/windows) C:/Program Files/pd/extra/cyclone: can't load library "C:/Program Files/pd/extra/zexy": can't load library "C:/Program Files/pd/extra/cxc": can't load library "C:/Program Files/pd/extra/ext13": can't load library "C:/Program Files/pd/extra/iemabs": can't load library "C:/Program Files/pd/extra/iemmatrix": can't load library "C:/Program Files/pd/extra/markex": can't load library "C:/Program Files/pd/extra/maxlib": can't load library "C:/Program Files/pd/extra/memento": can't load library pdp: can't load library pidip: can't load library
pmpd = Physical Modeling for Pure Data
version 0.06
compiled Jan 16 2006
Contact : cyrille.henry@la-kitchen.fr
xsample objects, version 0.3.1
xrecord~, xplay~, xgroove~
(C)2001-2005 Thomas Grill
Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
Remove all those the ones that are not loading from the Startup section.
Then add them to the Path section like this:
Remove from Startup:
maxlib
Add to Path:
"C:/Program Files/pd/extra/maxlib"
.hc
David Powers wrote:
Bad news!!! :(
Now, none of the libraries load, except GEM, xsample, and pmpd, into EITHER version of PD (384, 392), even though they are in different places in my Program Files folder. I did not change 0.38.4, but somehow it has picked up the problem from 0.39.2. I tried to reinstall 0.38.4 and it didn't make any difference either.
In 0.38.4, when I open the "Paths", the paths all look correct, as I didn't change them. HOWEVER, when I try to open the "Startup" dialogue, NOTHING HAPPENS. So, obviously there is some problem here - is there some kind of external file that I could fix with a text editor???
Unfortunately for everyone pd messes with the registry in Windows, if you run regedit and look in HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE->SOFTWARE->PD you will see among other things a bunch of paths which seeme to be the ones used in the dialogs. I have no idea what is safe to change in there. I hate the registry, so I'm biased.
Martin
the Windows registry is one of the worst inventions known to mankind.
./d5
On Feb 8, 2006, at 5:00 PM, Martin Peach wrote:
Unfortunately for everyone pd messes with the registry in Windows, if you run regedit and look in HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE->SOFTWARE->PD you will see among other things a bunch of paths which seeme to be the ones used in the dialogs. I have no idea what is safe to change in there. I hate the registry, so I'm biased.
Martin
Does anybody know enough Windows to fix the registry correctly? I'm afraid of it somewhat... And until I do, it's back to MAX MSP for me.... !
~David
Martin Peach wrote:
David Powers wrote:
Bad news!!! :(
Now, none of the libraries load, except GEM, xsample, and pmpd, into EITHER version of PD (384, 392), even though they are in different places in my Program Files folder. I did not change 0.38.4, but somehow it has picked up the problem from 0.39.2. I tried to reinstall 0.38.4 and it didn't make any difference either.
In 0.38.4, when I open the "Paths", the paths all look correct, as I didn't change them. HOWEVER, when I try to open the "Startup" dialogue, NOTHING HAPPENS. So, obviously there is some problem here - is there some kind of external file that I could fix with a text editor???
Unfortunately for everyone pd messes with the registry in Windows, if you run regedit and look in HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE->SOFTWARE->PD you will see among other things a bunch of paths which seeme to be the ones used in the dialogs. I have no idea what is safe to change in there. I hate the registry, so I'm biased.
Martin
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Just delete all the Pd entries. I think you can just delete HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE->SOFTWARE->PD in one step using regedit. To run regedit, just type the name into "run program". Then Pd will run like new again :)
M
On Wed, Feb 08, 2006 at 04:45:42PM -0600, David Powers wrote:
Does anybody know enough Windows to fix the registry correctly? I'm afraid of it somewhat... And until I do, it's back to MAX MSP for me.... !
~David
Martin Peach wrote:
David Powers wrote:
Bad news!!! :(
Now, none of the libraries load, except GEM, xsample, and pmpd, into EITHER version of PD (384, 392), even though they are in different places in my Program Files folder. I did not change 0.38.4, but somehow it has picked up the problem from 0.39.2. I tried to reinstall 0.38.4 and it didn't make any difference either.
In 0.38.4, when I open the "Paths", the paths all look correct, as I didn't change them. HOWEVER, when I try to open the "Startup" dialogue, NOTHING HAPPENS. So, obviously there is some problem here - is there some kind of external file that I could fix with a text editor???
Unfortunately for everyone pd messes with the registry in Windows, if you run regedit and look in HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE->SOFTWARE->PD you will see among other things a bunch of paths which seeme to be the ones used in the dialogs. I have no idea what is safe to change in there. I hate the registry, so I'm biased.
Martin
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Okay, registry is clean, but how do I get all the externals to work now? I am back to square one, now I can't can't get anything to work, and trying to add them to the paths, doesn't seem to work, and the slashes all disappear. This is after REINSTALLING 0.38.4, but now it doesn't automatically install the libraries - even with a clean registry!
~David
Miller Puckette wrote:
Just delete all the Pd entries. I think you can just delete HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE->SOFTWARE->PD in one step using regedit. To run regedit, just type the name into "run program". Then Pd will run like new again :)
M
On Wed, Feb 08, 2006 at 04:45:42PM -0600, David Powers wrote:
Does anybody know enough Windows to fix the registry correctly? I'm afraid of it somewhat... And until I do, it's back to MAX MSP for me.... !
~David
Martin Peach wrote:
David Powers wrote:
Bad news!!! :(
Now, none of the libraries load, except GEM, xsample, and pmpd, into EITHER version of PD (384, 392), even though they are in different places in my Program Files folder. I did not change 0.38.4, but somehow it has picked up the problem from 0.39.2. I tried to reinstall 0.38.4 and it didn't make any difference either.
In 0.38.4, when I open the "Paths", the paths all look correct, as I didn't change them. HOWEVER, when I try to open the "Startup" dialogue, NOTHING HAPPENS. So, obviously there is some problem here - is there some kind of external file that I could fix with a text editor???
Unfortunately for everyone pd messes with the registry in Windows, if you run regedit and look in HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE->SOFTWARE->PD you will see among other things a bunch of paths which seeme to be the ones used in the dialogs. I have no idea what is safe to change in there. I hate the registry, so I'm biased.
Martin
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After installing Pd-0.38.4-extended, you can double-click this file to
reinstall the library loading:
C:\Program Files\pd\pd-settings.reg
This will import the settings into the registry.
.hc
On Feb 8, 2006, at 6:16 PM, David Powers wrote:
Okay, registry is clean, but how do I get all the externals to work
now? I am back to square one, now I can't can't get anything to work,
and trying to add them to the paths, doesn't seem to work, and the
slashes all disappear. This is after REINSTALLING 0.38.4, but now it
doesn't automatically install the libraries - even with a clean
registry!~David
Miller Puckette wrote:Just delete all the Pd entries. I think you
can just deleteHKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE->SOFTWARE->PD in one step using regedit. To run regedit, just type the name into "run program". Then Pd will run like new again :)
M
On Wed, Feb 08, 2006 at 04:45:42PM -0600, David Powers wrote:
Does anybody know enough Windows to fix the registry correctly? I'm afraid of it somewhat... And until I do, it's back to MAX MSP for
me.... !~David
Martin Peach wrote:
David Powers wrote:
Bad news!!! :(
Now, none of the libraries load, except GEM, xsample, and pmpd,
into EITHER version of PD (384, 392), even though they are in different places in my Program Files folder. I did not change 0.38.4, but somehow it has picked up the problem from 0.39.2. I tried to reinstall 0.38.4 and it didn't make any difference either.In 0.38.4, when I open the "Paths", the paths all look correct, as
I didn't change them. HOWEVER, when I try to open the "Startup" dialogue, NOTHING HAPPENS. So, obviously there is some problem
here - is there some kind of external file that I could fix with a text editor???Unfortunately for everyone pd messes with the registry in Windows,
if you run regedit and look in HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE->SOFTWARE->PD you
will see among other things a bunch of paths which seeme to be the ones used in the dialogs. I have no idea what is safe to change in
there. I hate the registry, so I'm biased.Martin
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Hi, I should have remembered that I had to do this before! Thanks everything is fixed and works great again.
And, I finally got around to trying the PMPD examples and they are amazing, I'm so excited to develop some patches with these. I promise to share some with the list, and also do my best to document a little what I do to help other people learning. I know it's so hard starting out, I gave up 3 times with PD before I started to figure it out enough to enjoy it!
~David
Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
After installing Pd-0.38.4-extended, you can double-click this file to reinstall the library loading:
C:\Program Files\pd\pd-settings.reg
This will import the settings into the registry.
.hc
On Feb 8, 2006, at 6:16 PM, David Powers wrote:
Okay, registry is clean, but how do I get all the externals to work
now? I am back to square one, now I can't can't get anything to work, and trying to add them to the paths, doesn't seem to work, and the slashes all disappear. This is after REINSTALLING 0.38.4, but now it doesn't automatically install the libraries - even with a clean registry!~David
Miller Puckette wrote:Just delete all the Pd entries. I think you
can just deleteHKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE->SOFTWARE->PD in one step using regedit. To run regedit, just type the name into "run program". Then Pd will run like new again :)
M
On Wed, Feb 08, 2006 at 04:45:42PM -0600, David Powers wrote:
Does anybody know enough Windows to fix the registry correctly? I'm afraid of it somewhat... And until I do, it's back to MAX MSP for
me.... !~David
Martin Peach wrote:
David Powers wrote:
Bad news!!! :(
Now, none of the libraries load, except GEM, xsample, and pmpd,
into EITHER version of PD (384, 392), even though they are in different places in my Program Files folder. I did not change 0.38.4, but somehow it has picked up the problem from 0.39.2. I tried to reinstall 0.38.4 and it didn't make any difference either.In 0.38.4, when I open the "Paths", the paths all look correct, as I didn't change them. HOWEVER, when I try to open the "Startup" dialogue, NOTHING HAPPENS. So, obviously there is some problem
here - is there some kind of external file that I could fix with a text editor???Unfortunately for everyone pd messes with the registry in Windows, if you run regedit and look in HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE->SOFTWARE->PD you
will see among other things a bunch of paths which seeme to be the ones used in the dialogs. I have no idea what is safe to change in
there. I hate the registry, so I'm biased.Martin
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hi david
may you know it already, but i tell you nevertheless. there are two way to tell pd which pathes to use and wich libraries to load and so on. if you set your pathes using the userinterface (File -> Path or File -> Startup), pd will save these settings in the registry. the comfort (or the crux) of this story is, that these entries will stay there if you install another version of pd, so you can use the same settings in the freshly installed version. the other - the oldschool - way is to write startup-file. it is a normal textfile with the ending .bat (on windows). you can call it 'pd.bat' for example and place it in the pd/bin-folder. these file could look like that:
pd -path c:/pd/extra -path c:/pd/your/abstraction/folder -lib zexy -lib c:/whole/path/toyour/lib
personally i like more the way with the bat-file, because it provides more flexibility. you can use more than one file for different settings (no libs, all libs, all libs+gem etc.). if you decide to write your own .bat-file, i recommend to delete all settings in the registry in order to not mix up these two (as miller mentioned). a detailed descripton of how to write your own .bat-file will you find in: pd/doc/1.manual/x3.htm#4 (section 3.6 'command line arguments') i hope i could help you.
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"David Powers" cyborgk@nocturnalnoize.com¨wrote:
Bad news!!! :(
Now, none of the libraries load, except GEM, xsample, and pmpd, into EITHER version of PD (384, 392), even though they are in different places in my Program Files folder. I did not change 0.38.4, but somehow it has picked up the problem from 0.39.2. I tried to reinstall 0.38.4 and it didn't make any difference either.
In 0.38.4, when I open the "Paths", the paths all look correct, as I didn't change them. HOWEVER, when I try to open the "Startup" dialogue, NOTHING HAPPENS. So, obviously there is some problem here - is there some kind of external file that I could fix with a text editor???
I'm very frustrated. Especially because, we are starting Chicago PD meetings and I could probably make some cool stuff to share and bring some more people into using PD, but not if I can't get it to work!!!
~David
PS. Starting output as follows:
GEM: Graphics Environment for Multimedia GEM: ver: 0.90 GEM: compiled: Aug 3 2004 GEM: maintained by IOhannes m zmoelnig GEM: Authors : Mark Danks (original version on irix/windows) GEM: Chris Clepper (macOS-X) GEM: Daniel Heckenberg (windows) GEM: James Tittle (macOS-X) GEM: IOhannes m zmoelnig (linux/windows) C:/Program Files/pd/extra/cyclone: can't load library "C:/Program Files/pd/extra/zexy": can't load library "C:/Program Files/pd/extra/cxc": can't load library "C:/Program Files/pd/extra/ext13": can't load library "C:/Program Files/pd/extra/iemabs": can't load library "C:/Program Files/pd/extra/iemmatrix": can't load library "C:/Program Files/pd/extra/markex": can't load library "C:/Program Files/pd/extra/maxlib": can't load library "C:/Program Files/pd/extra/memento": can't load library pdp: can't load library pidip: can't load library
pmpd = Physical Modeling for Pure Data version 0.06 compiled Jan 16 2006 Contact : cyrille.henry@la-kitchen.fr
xsample objects, version 0.3.1
xrecord~, xplay~, xgroove~ (C)2001-2005 Thomas ill -------------------------------
"C:/Program Files/pd/extra/cyclone: can't load library"
i forgot to mention: is it still problem using pathes containing spaces? i didn't test it yet if yes, but also try placing your pd in c:/pd for example.
roman
"David Powers" cyborgk@nocturnalnoize.com¨wrote:
Bad news!!! :(
Now, none of the libraries load, except GEM, xsample, and pmpd, into EITHER version of PD (384, 392), even though they are in different places in my Program Files folder. I did not change 0.38.4, but somehow it has picked up the problem from 0.39.2. I tried to reinstall 0.38.4 and it didn't make any difference either.
In 0.38.4, when I open the "Paths", the paths all look correct, as I didn't change them. HOWEVER, when I try to open the "Startup" dialogue, NOTHING HAPPENS. So, obviously there is some problem here - is there some kind of external file that I could fix with a text editor???
I'm very frustrated. Especially because, we are starting Chicago PD meetings and I could probably make some cool stuff to share and bring some more people into using PD, but not if I can't get it to work!!!
~David
PS. Starting output as follows:
GEM: Graphics Environment for Multimedia GEM: ver: 0.90 GEM: compiled: Aug 3 2004 GEM: maintained by IOhannes m zmoelnig GEM: Authors : Mark Danks (original version on irix/windows) GEM: Chris Clepper (macOS-X) GEM: Daniel Heckenberg (windows) GEM: James Tittle (macOS-X) GEM: IOhannes m zmoelnig (linux/windows) C:/Program Files/pd/extra/cyclone: can't load library "C:/Program Files/pd/extra/zexy": can't load library "C:/Program Files/pd/extra/cxc": can't load library "C:/Program Files/pd/extra/ext13": can't load library "C:/Program Files/pd/extra/iemabs": can't load library "C:/Program Files/pd/extra/iemmatrix": can't load library "C:/Program Files/pd/extra/markex": can't load library "C:/Program Files/pd/extra/maxlib": can't load library "C:/Program Files/pd/extra/memento": can't load library pdp: can't load library pidip: can't load library
pmpd = Physical Modeling for Pure Data version 0.06 compiled Jan 16 2006 Contact : cyrille.henry@la-kitchen.fr
xsample objects, version 0.3.1
xrecord~, xplay~, xgroove~ (C)2001-2005 Thomas l -------------------------------
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Except for Gem, you need to turn those loadlib statements into path
statements. They are in libdir format, which currently is only
supported as a lib in Pd-extended. In Miller's Pd, you need to add to
the path instead.
.hc
On Feb 7, 2006, at 6:36 PM, David Powers wrote:
Okay, never mind, I see it, but I don't understand how to make it
look good ...Also, as I thought, PD 0.392 can't see my libraries. I put them in
the Path, hit "apply" and "save settings" ... Nothing. But the 0.384
library runs fine. This is what I get:Gem: can't load library cyclone: can't load library zexy: can't load library cxc: can't load library ext13: can't load library iemabs: can't load library iemmatrix: can't load library markex: can't load library maxlib: can't load library memento: can't load library mjlib: can't load library motex: can't load library oscx: can't load library pddp: can't load library pdogg: can't load library pdp: can't load library pidip: can't load library pixeltango: can't load library pmpd: can't load library rradical: can't load library sigpack: can't load library smlib: can't load library toxy: can't load library unauthorized: can't load library vbap: can't load library xsample: can't load library
~David
David Powers wrote: Hi,
Well, I just tried the new PD, but I can't tell any difference. I
guess I'm missing something?On the other hand, I used your tutorial with the 0.384 and it worked
GREAT!~David
Frank Barknecht wrote:Hallo,
dafydd hughes hat gesagt: // dafydd hughes wrote:
Like IOhannes says, 0.39 is a _way_ big improvement for GOP, but if you're on 0.38 (because hc's installer is awesome) you should check out Frank Barknecht's "GOP done right":
Or Chun Lee's pd-gop at: http://goto10.org/-/pdgop.html for a deeper explanation.
However if you have you read this and if you tried once how immensely more useful GOP became in pd-0.39 you'll never want to look back. Add to that the [list] object which was also new in 0.39 and I can only recommend to upgrade. And if you intend to use data structures,
that's a third argument for upgrading or at least installing pd-0.39 in parallel.At least you should not waste too much time in understanding how GOP worked in Pd versions < 0.39, it totally changed for the better.
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On Wed, Feb 08, 2006 at 12:11:12AM +0100, Frank Barknecht wrote :
Hallo, dafydd hughes hat gesagt: // dafydd hughes wrote:
Like IOhannes says, 0.39 is a _way_ big improvement for GOP, but if
you're on 0.38 (because hc's installer is awesome) you should check
out Frank Barknecht's "GOP done right":Or Chun Lee's pd-gop at: http://goto10.org/-/pdgop.html for a deeper explanation.
while following this thread a bit, i took the opportunity to update the GOP doc i made for pd-0.39. please take a look, hope its useful to some.
cheers
chun
However if you have you read this and if you tried once how immensely more useful GOP became in pd-0.39 you'll never want to look back. Add to that the [list] object which was also new in 0.39 and I can only recommend to upgrade. And if you intend to use data structures, that's a third argument for upgrading or at least installing pd-0.39 in parallel.
At least you should not waste too much time in understanding how GOP worked in Pd versions < 0.39, it totally changed for the better.
Ciao
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On Feb 7, 2006, at 7:48 PM, chun wrote:
On Wed, Feb 08, 2006 at 12:11:12AM +0100, Frank Barknecht wrote :
Hallo, dafydd hughes hat gesagt: // dafydd hughes wrote:
Like IOhannes says, 0.39 is a _way_ big improvement for GOP, but if you're on 0.38 (because hc's installer is awesome) you should check out Frank Barknecht's "GOP done right":
Or Chun Lee's pd-gop at: http://goto10.org/-/pdgop.html for a deeper explanation.
while following this thread a bit, i took the opportunity to update
the GOP doc i made for pd-0.39. please take a look, hope its useful to some.cheers
It would be great to have this in CVS under doc/additional or
doc/tutorial so that it can automatically be included in any
Pd-extended build.
.hc
chun
However if you have you read this and if you tried once how immensely more useful GOP became in pd-0.39 you'll never want to look back. Add to that the [list] object which was also new in 0.39 and I can only recommend to upgrade. And if you intend to use data structures, that's a third argument for upgrading or at least installing pd-0.39 in parallel.
At least you should not waste too much time in understanding how GOP worked in Pd versions < 0.39, it totally changed for the better.
Ciao
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On Wed, Feb 08, 2006 at 12:44:28AM -0500, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote :
On Feb 7, 2006, at 7:48 PM, chun wrote:
On Wed, Feb 08, 2006 at 12:11:12AM +0100, Frank Barknecht wrote :
Hallo, dafydd hughes hat gesagt: // dafydd hughes wrote:
Like IOhannes says, 0.39 is a _way_ big improvement for GOP, but if you're on 0.38 (because hc's installer is awesome) you should check out Frank Barknecht's "GOP done right":
Or Chun Lee's pd-gop at: http://goto10.org/-/pdgop.html for a deeper explanation.
while following this thread a bit, i took the opportunity to update
the GOP doc i made for pd-0.39. please take a look, hope its useful to some.cheers
It would be great to have this in CVS under doc/additional or
doc/tutorial so that it can automatically be included in any
Pd-extended build.
i would be happy to put it in the CVS under, but i am not too sure what format i should put it as. i had a quick look at what's inside currently. and most of them are pd patches, which this doc is not. any suggestions?
cheers
chun
.hc
chun
However if you have you read this and if you tried once how immensely more useful GOP became in pd-0.39 you'll never want to look back. Add to that the [list] object which was also new in 0.39 and I can only recommend to upgrade. And if you intend to use data structures, that's a third argument for upgrading or at least installing pd-0.39 in parallel.
At least you should not waste too much time in understanding how GOP worked in Pd versions < 0.39, it totally changed for the better.
Ciao
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On Feb 8, 2006, at 7:31 AM, chun wrote:
On Wed, Feb 08, 2006 at 12:44:28AM -0500, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote
:On Feb 7, 2006, at 7:48 PM, chun wrote:
On Wed, Feb 08, 2006 at 12:11:12AM +0100, Frank Barknecht wrote :
Hallo, dafydd hughes hat gesagt: // dafydd hughes wrote:
Like IOhannes says, 0.39 is a _way_ big improvement for GOP, but if you're on 0.38 (because hc's installer is awesome) you should check out Frank Barknecht's "GOP done right":
Or Chun Lee's pd-gop at: http://goto10.org/-/pdgop.html for a deeper explanation.
while following this thread a bit, i took the opportunity to update the GOP doc i made for pd-0.39. please take a look, hope its useful to some.
cheers
It would be great to have this in CVS under doc/additional or doc/tutorial so that it can automatically be included in any Pd-extended build.
i would be happy to put it in the CVS under, but i am not too sure
what format i should put it as. i had a quick look at what's inside currently. and most of them are pd
patches, which this doc is not. any suggestions?
IOhannes recently put the Externals HOWTO in
doc/tutorials/externals-howto. doc/tutorials seems like a good place
for your tutorial as well.
.hc
cheers
chun
.hc
chun
However if you have you read this and if you tried once how
immensely more useful GOP became in pd-0.39 you'll never want to look back.
Add to that the [list] object which was also new in 0.39 and I can only recommend to upgrade. And if you intend to use data structures,
that's a third argument for upgrading or at least installing pd-0.39 in parallel.At least you should not waste too much time in understanding how GOP worked in Pd versions < 0.39, it totally changed for the better.
Ciao
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On Feb 7, 2006, at 3:46 PM, cyborgk@nocturnalnoize.com wrote:
Related to a question someone just asked:
How exactly does one control the appearance of GOP subpatches in the master patch? I always end up with sliders stuck together and
overlapping on my master patches...Thanks, David
P.S. : I'm recently getting back into PD/GEM in a more serious way, so
be expecting to get a lot of questions from me. I'm hoping I don't have to end up resorting to Max/MSP + Jitter, but still some things I need seem missing. Of course, one issue is no [hid] [pdp] or [pidip] on Windows
... if there was a SIMPLE and audio-ready Linux install I could use just
for PD as a second OS on my laptop I'd consider it, but my past (bad) experiences installing Linux have not made me too keen on trying
this...
A [hid] port to Windows is underway. I could whip out a [directinput]
object if I had a day behind a windows machine (I currently don't have
one but will have regular access to one soon). A [hid] object is going
to be more complicated because of Microsoft's characteristic arbitrary
limitations.
As for pdp and pidip, I think it would take a couple days to port it to
Windows using MinGW. That's just a guess. I'm not going to do it
myself anytime soon, but I can give assistance. And lots of people
would be happy to have it working on Windows.
.hc
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