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version compile-time checks, was: Building ELSE for Pd Vanilla (here RPi OS 11 32-bit)
by Dan Wilcox 05 Aug '23

05 Aug '23

To avoid bleeding-edge red, is the following not possible with externals? #ifdef PD_MAJOR_VERSION >= 0 and PD_MINOR_VERSION >= 54 // multichannel code #else // non-multichannel code #endif Depending upon the code layout, you could also probably use some macros for lots of redundant stuff. > On Aug 4, 2023, at 8:18 AM, pd-list-request(a)lists.iem.at wrote: > > Message: 3 > Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2023 03:12:27 -0300 > From: Alexandre Torres Porres <porres(a)gmail.com <mailto:porres@gmail.com>> > To: Pd-List <pd-list(a)lists.iem.at <mailto:pd-list@lists.iem.at>> > Subject: Re: [PD] Building ELSE for Pd Vanilla (here RPi OS 11 32-bit) > Message-ID: > <CAEAsFmj2J+BAF3djDfUDeyaFtUjPXcFkRFiZn6fpAob06Ha5Vw(a)mail.gmail.com <mailto:CAEAsFmj2J+BAF3djDfUDeyaFtUjPXcFkRFiZn6fpAob06Ha5Vw@mail.gmail.com>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Em qui., 3 de ago. de 2023 ?s 16:46, IOhannes m zm?lnig <zmoelnig(a)iem.at <mailto:zmoelnig@iem.at>> > escreveu: > >> Personally I think this is a bug in ELSE, and would file a bug that it >> ought to be buildable against older versions of Pd (even if that means >> that some functionality is missing). >> > > I'm creating new objects for multichannel fun and adding multichannel > awareness to old objects, right now there are over 50 signal objects that > are multichannel aware (and counting). > > Without 0.54 you'll just have many errors trying to deal with > CLASSMULTICHANNEL > > So yup, 0.54 is needed. Sorry I'm always on the bleeding edge -------- Dan Wilcox @danomatika <http://twitter.com/danomatika> danomatika.com <http://danomatika.com/> robotcowboy.com <http://robotcowboy.com/>

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[PD-announce] Emille 2023 - call for papers
by dudas 04 Aug '23

04 Aug '23

2023 Call for Papers The Korea Electro-Acoustic Music Society (KEAMS) announces a call for papers for the journal Emille. Emille is an open-access and peer-reviewed journal, and was formed to promote active research and to share the results on computer music. Submitted papers are selected through the review process, and are published in Vol. 21. Authors are not requested for any submission, processing, or publication fees, by the support from Arts Council Korea. If you want your paper to be considered for publication in 2023, please submit a manuscript(both a text file and a PDF document) and a curriculum vitae to emille[at]keams.org <mailto:emille@keams.org> by the due date. Please visit the link below for further information: http://keams.org/emille/call.html _______________________________________________ Pd-announce mailing list Pd-announce(a)lists.iem.at https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-announce

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Building ELSE for Pd Vanilla (here RPi OS 11 32-bit)
by Linux Rouen Normandie 04 Aug '23

04 Aug '23

Hello Alexandre, Well, I'm back with 5 basic (-questions-) for "dummies" embedded into your here below Building instructions... Building ELSE for Pd Vanilla: ELSE relies on the build system called "pd-lib-builder" by Katja Vetter (check the project in: https://github.com/pure-data/pd-lib-builder). PdLibBuilder tries to find the Pd source directory at several common locations, but when this fails, you have to specify the path yourself using the pdincludepath variable. Example (assuming the unpacked Pd package is in ~/pd-0.54-0; for Windows/MinGW add |pdbinpath=~/pd-0.54-0/bin/|): make pdincludepath=~/pd-0.54-0/src/ => So I installed pd-lib-builder-0.6.0-1 from Add/Remove Software (RPi OS 11 32-bit / RPi 400), done. 1. Installing with pdlibbuilder Go to the pd-else folder /(-Which folder? The decompressed downloaded source code file?-)/ and use "objectsdir" to set an /absolute/ path for your build, something like: make install objectsdir=~/else-build Then move it (-What?-) from there to your preferred install folder for Pd /(-What do you mean by 'your Preferred install folder for Pd'?-)/ and add it to the path /(-How and to which one?-)/. Cross compiling is also possible with something like this: make CC=arm-linux-gnueabihf-gcc target.arch=arm7l install objectsdir=~/else-build 2. Installing sfont~, sfz~ and plaits~ For technical reasons these objects reside in their own subdirectories of the ELSE source directory, so a normal build as described above will skip them. You can install these separately and you can also check their subfolders for their own READMEs and instructions. To install them with the rest of ELSE you can build from the toplevel source directory /(-?-)/ using the special 'sfont', 'sfz' and 'plaits' targets: make sfont sfz plaits pdincludepath=~/pd-0.54-0/src/ make sfont-install sfz-install plaits-install objectsdir=~/else-build This also makes sure that [sfont~], [sfz~] and [plaits~] get added to the chosen else library directory instead of their own subdirectories. Thanks. Best, Joseph Gastelais

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Availability of ELSE v.1.0-0_rc8 external for Raspberry Pi 400 (ARM)
by Linux Rouen Normandie 02 Aug '23

02 Aug '23

I just updated Pure Data Vanilla from v.0.53.1 to the latest v.0.54.0 by compiling its source code and then installing it on my Raspberry Pi 400 (ARM) under Raspberry Pi OS 11 32-bit (Bullseye). Everything went well. Unfortunately the ELSE external for 'Linux-armv6-32/Linux-armv7-32' available through Deken is still at v.1.0-0_rc6 (2023-05-12) and not at the latest v.1.0-0_rc8 (2023-05-16). Does anyone know where I could find the Else v.1.0-0_rc8 ready to use for RPi OS 11 32-bit? Thanks. Joseph Gastelais

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[PD-announce] pre/test release of ELSE 1.0 rc9
by Alexandre Torres Porres 01 Aug '23

01 Aug '23

Hi folks, here's a pre/test release of an update of ELSE. I need to test if the builds are working correctly, especially apple silicon architecture. I need help especially testing [sfont~], [plaits~] and the new [sfz~] object. I also need help compiling these 3 objects for Raspberry Pi for the final release and also figuring out what is the sane and "best" versions of raspberry pi architectures to offer. Check the prior discussion in the latest threads of the Pd list. About the release, there's a bunch of cool new stuff, many new objects, lots of them for Multichannel fun. See changelog below. No uploads to deken yet, get the binaries from https://github.com/porres/pd-else/releases/tag/v1.0-rc9-pre-test cheers -------------------------------------- CHANGELOG: -------------------------------------- **LIBRARY:** Breaking changes: - [quantizer~], [rescale~], [fold~] and [wrap2~] no more signal inputs for secondary inlets, only floats. - [out1~] removed, use [out.mc~] instead now. - [sin~] doesn't take float input anymore. - [pluck~] float input is now in the 0-127 range. - [voices] -list flag removed as this is now the default mode, use "-split" flag for the old default mode. Enhancements/fixes/other changes: - [knob] and [numbox~], use alt+click instead of double click to restore initial value - Added MC (multichannel connection) support for some objects (very few gained it out of the box for being abstractions, lke [gain~]), they are: [ceil~], [floor~], [rint~], [trunc~], [sin~], [cents2ratio~], [ratio2cents~], [db2lin~], [lin2db~] (now a compiled object), [gain~], [samps2ms~], [ms2samps~], [mag~], [pol2car~]/[car2pol~] (now compiled objects), [bitnormal~], [op~], [sig2float~], [float2sig~] (now an abstraction), [rescale~], [fold~], [wrap2~] and [quantizer~]. - added "not" operation (!) to [op] and [op~]. - [adsr~] and [asr~] fixed 2nd outlet in log mode. - [stepnoise~], [rampnoise~] and [lfnoise~] fixed seed flag - [stepnoise~] and [rampnoise~] fixed loading hz argument when there's a 'seed' flag. - [rescale] and [rescale~] fixed bug when first argument is higher then the second - [slider2d] and [circle], fixed "init" and shipping for macs. - 16 new objects: [nchs~], [get~], [pick~], [sum~], [sigs~], [out.mc~], [ osc.mc~], [imp.mc~], [rampnoise.mc~], [stepnoise.mc~], [select~], [ xselect.mc~], [merge~], [phaseseq~], [oscnoise~] and [sfz~]. Objects count: total of 492 (264 signal objects and 228 control objects)! - 280 coded objects (179 signal objects / 101 control objects) - 212 abstractions (85 signal objects / 127 control objects) -------------------------------------- **TUTORIAL:** - Revision of Quickstart chapter with new info on MC connections. - New examples for new objects in ELSE. Total number of examples is 506 -------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ Pd-announce mailing list Pd-announce(a)lists.iem.at https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-announce

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For info: 3 minor issues with Pd 0.54.0 and ELSE 1.0-0 rc-8 under Linux Mint 21.1
by Linux ROUEN Normandie 20 Jul '23

20 Jul '23

Hello, I just updated Pure Data Vanilla from the repositories of Linux Mint 21.1 Cinnamon 64-bit (Ubuntu 22.04 base) - from v.0.53.1 (0.53.1+ds-2~ubuntu22.04~ppa1) - to v.0.54.0 (0.54.0+ds-3~ubuntu22.04~ppa1) and I've got 3 minor issues. 1. ELSE 1.0-0 rc-8 needs at least Pd 0.53-2 (you have 0.54-0, you're good!) But... ----------- ERREUR NON GÉRÉE (Error not managed) : invalid command name ".popup" while executing "$mymenu add separator" (procedure "category_menu::create" line 3) invoked from within "category_menu::create .popup" ("uplevel" body line 115) invoked from within "uplevel #0 $tclcode" ÉCHEC DU CHARGEMENT DE (Loading error of) /home/joe/Pure-Data/externals/else/else-browser-plugin.tcl ----------- 2. Pd / Menu / Help / Objects List bonk version 1.5 pd~ version 0.54 fiddle version 1.1 TEST4 pique 0.1 for PD version 23 ----------- warning -- 'template' (pd-help-intro.pd) is obsolete; replace with 'struct' ----------- 3. Pd Font size My setup in v.0.53.1 was 10 (x & y) and now in v.0.54.0 is 12 (x & y). NOTE: Nice addition of Audio/MIDI tabs in Preferences. Thanks, Joseph Gastelais

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Fwd: HELP: Pure Data Vanilla v.0.54-0 under Windows 10 22H2 64-bit is not running!
by Linux ROUEN 18 Jul '23

18 Jul '23

Hello List, So few days later and after a lot of tests and support from several people, thanks to all of them, this is my current and temporary conclusion. Pd Vanilla 0.54.0 is not compatible with my HP laptop DV8-1190ef (14 years old with CPU i720Q 1st Gen) and its configuration running under Windows 10 22H2 64-bit when Pd Vanilla 0.53.2 is fully functional as well as the latest Purr Data 2.19.3. After having made a new summer in-depth cleaning of my PC, I retest the portable versions of Pd Vanilla (see here attached 2 screen captures). - Pd 0.53.2 = fully functional, but - Pd 0.54.0 = still not functional at all. As reported in my previous emails (CrashReport), it seems there is an issue with the Windows module ntdll.dll (announced as falling module) or at least the communication between Pd Vanilla 0.54.0 and this module. If I remember well, Lucas has suggested this could be linked to the new 64-bit windows build using the lower-latency WASAPI audio system in place of the older MMIO. Now I will wait for the next Pd 0.54.1 for making new tests. Im really pleased for those who are able to run Pd 0.54.0 on their Windows 10 machines. Best, Joseph Gastelais De : Linux ROUEN [mailto:linux.rouen@free.fr] Envoyé : samedi 8 juillet 2023 03:34 À : 'Pd-list' Objet : HELP: Pure Data Vanilla v.0.54-0 under Windows 10 22H2 64-bit is not running! Hello Pd List, Under Windows 10 22H2 64-bit, the previous 3 versions 0.53.0, 0.53.1 and 0.53.2 of Pure Data Vanilla were working okay, but not the latest 0.54.0 version! I tried today to update to it using the pd-0.54-0.windows-installer.exe file from Millers site but after the installation trying to launch it nothing happens. Installation procedure (with antivirus disabled): - Uninstall Pd 0.53.2: okay - Install pd-0.54-0.windows-installer.exe: everything went well - Launch Pd 0.54.0: nothing happens! - Uninstall Pd 0.54.0: okay - Reinstall pd-0.53-2.windows-installer.exe: but lot of errors which was not the case previously! - Launch Pd 0.53.2: its opening?! See the attached zip file for the error messages. - Uninstall Pd 0.53.2: okay - Reinstall pd-0.54-0.windows-installer.exe: but now a lot of errors like with 0.53.2 reinstallation! - Launch Pd 0.54.0: still nothing happens!! See the attached zip file for the error messages. See also the attached Pd Bin & Font zip file for the folders content. Any idea what is going wrong with Pd 0.54.0 installation and now also with Pd 0.53.2 reinstallation? Everything seems to be broken! Thanks, Joseph Gastelais

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Mobmuplat bug...
by Simon Iten 12 Jul '23

12 Jul '23

Don’t know if mobmuplat is still developed further. I found a problem: When programatically switching to a specific page (x) of a GUI via setPage, the page is displayed halfway between page x and x+1 with no way to change pages anymore. This problem is happening on iOS 12.5.7 with an iPhone 6 in landscape mode. In portrait mode the problem is less pronounced, but the page is still not “fully” switched, so it is somewhere between x and x+1.

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Re: [PD] HELP: Pure Data Vanilla v.0.54-0 under Windows 10 22H2 64-bit is not running!
by Linux ROUEN 10 Jul '23

10 Jul '23

Hello Miller, Thanks for your reply. No more luck trying to launch Pd Vanilla 0.54.0 after my 3rd installation attempt under Windows 10. Installation procedure (with antivirus disabled): - Manually deleted "C:\Program Files\Pd" folder, - Manually deleted Pd Vanilla "StartMenu" entries, - Rebooted my PC, - Installed "pd-0.54-0.windows-installer.exe" file without any errors, . except a warning message at the beginning of the procedure stating that: "System tells there is already a Pd installation" which impossible! - At the end of the installation, ran Pure Data 0.54.0, but nothing happened! - In the Windows Tasks Manager, Wish is running but no Pd. See the attached zip file summarizing the above. Best, Joseph Gastelais -----Message d'origine----- De : Pd-list [mailto:pd-list-bounces@lists.iem.at] De la part de Miller Puckette Envoyé : samedi 8 juillet 2023 15:24 À : pd-list(a)lists.iem.at Objet : Re: [PD] HELP: Pure Data Vanilla v.0.54-0 under Windows 10 22H2 64-bit is not running! Well, first off I'd like to see if you can get back up and running 0.53 OK - then we can confidently try to figure out what happened with 0.54. I think the machine failed to un-install Pd 0.54 because it was running somehow without showing any windows. The fix for that would be to look in the "task manager" (open that using the famous control-alt-delete key combination) and find all copies of Pd that are running, and kill them. At that point an "uninstall" should work, but it would be simpler and more direct simply to delete the folder "\Program Files\Pd". Once that's done you should be able to install and run Pd 0.53 as it was working before. NExt step, since this is Windows, might be simply to reinstall 0.54 and try it again. If it doesn't immediately work then let's try together to figure out why and how to fix it :) Miller On 7/7/23 18:34, Linux ROUEN wrote: > > Hello Pd List, > > Under Windows 10 22H2 64-bit, the previous 3 versions 0.53.0, 0.53.1 > and 0.53.2 of Pure Data Vanilla were working okay, but not the latest > 0.54.0 version! > > I tried today to update to it using the > ‘pd-0.54-0.windows-installer.exe’ file from Miller’s site but after > the installation trying to launch it nothing happens. > > Installation procedure (with antivirus disabled): > - Uninstall Pd 0.53.2: okay > - Install ‘pd-0.54-0.windows-installer.exe’: everything went well > - Launch Pd 0.54.0: nothing happens! > - Uninstall Pd 0.54.0: okay > - Reinstall ‘pd-0.53-2.windows-installer.exe’: but lot of errors which > was not the case previously! > - Launch Pd 0.53.2: it’s opening?! > See the attached zip file for the error messages. > > - Uninstall Pd 0.53.2: okay > - Reinstall ‘pd-0.54-0.windows-installer.exe’: but now a lot of errors > like with 0.53.2 reinstallation! > - Launch Pd 0.54.0: still nothing happens!! > See the attached zip file for the error messages. > > See also the attached Pd Bin & Font zip file for the folders content. > > Any idea what is going wrong with Pd 0.54.0 installation and now also > with Pd 0.53.2 reinstallation? > Everything seems to be broken! > > Thanks, > Joseph Gastelais > _______________________________________________ > Pd-list(a)lists.iem.at mailing list > UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list__;… _______________________________________________ Pd-list(a)lists.iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list

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Prototype for adding an object browser into Pd Vanilla's core
by Alexandre Torres Porres 05 Jul '23

05 Jul '23

Hi everyone, I made a prototype of a GUI addition that I would really like to have included in the Pd-Vanilla distribution. I don't don;t think it is worth or plan to provide it as a tcl/tk plugin and I'll get to that soon. Nonetheless, as a prototype for anyone to easily test, I did upload object-browser-test-plugin to deken and you can get it. You can also check https://github.com/porres/object-browser-test-plugin And what does it do? When you right click anywhere on a patch canvas you can go to 'add object' which gives you a menu of all Pd objects that you can then choose from and it'll add the element exactly where you right clicked at. This is possible regardless if you're in edit or run mode. See screenshot below. [image: Screen Shot 2023-03-10 at 02.32.26.png] I got the idea and basis from Pd-ceammc, by the way. But PlugData is also working on something similar, why not offer an official one upstream? As someone who uses Pd to teach newbies all the time, I believe something like this would help them much more in the learning curve. The general consensus from users when I mentioned this on the facebook group (and other places) was quite positive. I understand though that there might be concerns in maintaining this and keeping the core light. Well, if it gets included, I plan to take care of it and do things like insert a new object whenever it comes up as long as I live. I am relatively young and don't have plans to die soon. This would be part of my documentation engagement. And once it is in, I guess the load won't be relevant. I think this is problematic to keep as a plugin as it'll mostly be missed by users. Another problem is that I think it is hard to maintain this out of the core and I say this because while my plugin works now, it is already broken for the current master on github, so it won't work on the next update. It really makes sense to keep this in the core then. By the way, it already includes the not yet released [snake~ in]/[snake~ out] objects, and when I wanted to test this with the latest current version is when I found out it breaks. But it works up to 0.53-2 (at least with its test version that you can find). And yes, I added options for objects that have a function defined by the 1st argument (such as [array random]), [snake~ in/out], ect). I also added options to add GUIs, message boxes, list box, etc... Is anyone bummed out and would have some sort of issue with this functionality? Worst case scenario I guess would be to allow some configuration in preferences to disable this, but I can't see this as an annoying addition. I think that even for me (someone who revised and wrote references for ALL objects) this is useful, as even I can forget the name of an object sometimes... what are your thoughts? cheers

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