Pd-list May 2022

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loadbang in canvas help-patch not working?
by Peter P. 12 May '22

12 May '22

Hi list, just opened 5.reference/cnv-help.pd and a [loadbang] in its [pd example-room] subpatch does not bang. Can anyone check if it is just me™? Thanks! Peter

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two sliders on top of each other (XY-Controller)?
by Peter P. 12 May '22

12 May '22

Hi list, jus tried if two sliders placed on top of each other could work as a simple XY-contoller. They do not, but more interestingly it is the lower of the two slider that receives the mouse clicks while the upper is visible. Is this intentional? Could GUI objects be transparent in color as well as for clicks in any way? I know about the canvas-objects reporting their positions (and it would be cool if they would report mouse-downs and -ups as well), but don't like the fact that I have to be in edit mode to move them. It seems there is no other vanilla way for xy-controllers then... thanks! Peter

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Re: [PD] [key], [keyup] and operating system key reapat
by Dan Wilcox 04 May '22

04 May '22

For me, every time this topic comes up, I get recurring nightmares of having to write, set, and apply patches to the Tk source code. From my point of view, we should enjoy what works as it is and remember that for some people, the key handling should respect the general system as opposed to being Pd-specific. Of course, some may have a different opinion, in which case I ask them to contribute working solutions for test/discussion. The only other solution is to open more issues and *hope* IOhannes fix everything again, but I *think* his feeling is similar to mine above... ;) > On May 2, 2022, at 12:00 PM, pd-list-request(a)lists.iem.at wrote: > > Message: 2 > Date: Sun, 1 May 2022 18:50:34 +0200 > From: "Peter P." <peterparker(a)fastmail.com <mailto:peterparker@fastmail.com>> > To: pd-list(a)lists.iem.at <mailto:pd-list@lists.iem.at> > Subject: Re: [PD] [key], [keyup] and operating system key reapat > Message-ID: <20220501165034.sq22mbyufuza5icn(a)fastmail.com <mailto:20220501165034.sq22mbyufuza5icn@fastmail.com>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > * Peter P. <peterparker(a)fastmail.com <mailto:peterparker@fastmail.com>> [2022-05-01 18:44]: > [...] >> Shouldn't/couldn't the filtering of repeated note-ons be done within the >> objects on Win and OS X at least? > Oh, just saw this issue > https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data/issues/945 <https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data/issues/945> > and several related others. Seems complicated and a lot of work has gone > into the current behavior already... I am wondering what the current > status is, and if there is any future work planned? > > Thanks to everyone working on it!! > > P -------- Dan Wilcox @danomatika <http://twitter.com/danomatika> danomatika.com <http://danomatika.com/> robotcowboy.com <http://robotcowboy.com/>

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Re: [PD] Popup window appearing once in a while : "Expecting Value: line 1 column 1 (char 0)"
by Dan Wilcox 04 May '22

04 May '22

A Google search indicates this is likely malware and not Pd: https://discussions.apple.com/thread/252501431 <https://discussions.apple.com/thread/252501431> > On May 4, 2022, at 12:22 PM, pd-list-request(a)lists.iem.at wrote: > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 4 May 2022 08:46:19 +0200 > From: Nicolas Montgermont <list(a)nimon.org <mailto:list@nimon.org>> > To: Pd-list <pd-list(a)lists.iem.at <mailto:pd-list@lists.iem.at>> > Subject: [PD] Popup window appearing once in a while : "Expecting > Value: line 1 column 1 (char 0)" > Message-ID: <4e8a4dc6-41f1-557a-d5ab-7e46e98cd77d(a)nimon.org <mailto:4e8a4dc6-41f1-557a-d5ab-7e46e98cd77d@nimon.org>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; Format="flowed" > > Hello Pders, > > On a patch designed to run for a long time, > I have a window appearing every few hours: > > Error while installing : Expecting Value: line 1 column 1 (char 0) > > Error while installing : Expecting Value: line 1 column 1 (char 0) > > > Do you know where it comes from? > Pd 0.51.0 > OSX 10.9.1 > Thanks ! > n > > -- > https://nimon.org <https://nimon.org/> -------- Dan Wilcox @danomatika <http://twitter.com/danomatika> danomatika.com <http://danomatika.com/> robotcowboy.com <http://robotcowboy.com/>

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Re: [PD] [key], [keyup] and operating system key reapat
by Dan Wilcox 04 May '22

04 May '22

Hah, to be clear: I only do that when it's absolutely necessary. Thankfully the Tk community has been updating things on macOS at a munch greater rate the last few years now, so we are running into fewer problems at the Tk level. Also, people like Seb have thankfully been assisting and we have the patching mechanism in place for if/when we have to apply custom patches to Tk, at least for the macOS build process. I am actually thankful we can also have this conversation... it wasn't so long ago that key handling was *broken* on macOS! In my opinion, I defer to the system and Tk for this. In fact, the only reason Pd actually respects the system setting is that we, the Pd community, added it to Tk! We made a patch which includes it a couple years ago, and I believe the Tk devs used it. The suggestion for it came from someone *here*, so maybe we have ourselves to blame for divergent behavior.? ;) > On May 4, 2022, at 10:14 AM, pd-list-request(a)lists.iem.at wrote: > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 4 May 2022 08:39:29 +0200 > From: IOhannes m zmoelnig <zmoelnig(a)iem.at <mailto:zmoelnig@iem.at>> > To: pd-list(a)lists.iem.at <mailto:pd-list@lists.iem.at> > Subject: Re: [PD] [key], [keyup] and operating system key reapat > Message-ID: <f121dc43-8951-496c-f88b-654dbf920f6b(a)iem.at <mailto:f121dc43-8951-496c-f88b-654dbf920f6b@iem.at>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; Format="flowed" > > PS: i'm happy to fix bugs in the Pd sources; but unlike Dan, I am *ont* > willing to patch the Tcl/Tk engine for Pd's sake. i guess this saves me > from a few nightmares -------- Dan Wilcox @danomatika <http://twitter.com/danomatika> danomatika.com <http://danomatika.com/> robotcowboy.com <http://robotcowboy.com/>

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Popup window appearing once in a while : "Expecting Value: line 1 column 1 (char 0)"
by Nicolas Montgermont 04 May '22

04 May '22

Hello Pders, On a patch designed to run for a long time, I have a window appearing every few hours: Error while installing : Expecting Value: line 1 column 1 (char 0) Error while installing : Expecting Value: line 1 column 1 (char 0) Do you know where it comes from? Pd 0.51.0 OSX 10.9.1 Thanks ! n -- https://nimon.org

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Pd's preferences dialogs reflecting startup flags
by Peter P. 03 May '22

03 May '22

Hi list, I just discovered that startup flags like -verbose and the path settings etc are reflected in Pd's preferences dialog as being set there as option. I find this behavior confusing. It may cause me to save options to .pdsettings from within these dialogs although they were set on the command line only. How are you thinking about it? thanks, P

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[key], [keyup] and operating system key reapat
by Peter P. 01 May '22

01 May '22

Hi list, I can't seem to get my head around different behavior of the [key] and [keyup] objects on different OSes and even within the same OS. I discovered that for depressed keys after an initial delay -Pd on Debian will report repeated key ups and downs, -Pd on Windows does not, -Pd on OS X may or may not. Could a few of us test this quickly and report their findings here maybe? Thanks! Peter

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