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a tiny game of life
by Jonathan Wilkes 18 Feb '12

18 Feb '12

Kinda fun. -Jonathan

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Re: [PD] import and search paths - 0.43 on debian
by Hans-Christoph Steiner 17 Feb '12

17 Feb '12

On Feb 17, 2012, at 4:03 PM, Lorenzo Sutton wrote: > On 17/02/2012 21:58, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: >> >> On Feb 17, 2012, at 3:56 PM, Lorenzo Sutton wrote: >> >>> On 17/02/2012 20:05, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: >>>> >>>> On Feb 17, 2012, at 6:49 AM, Lorenzo Sutton wrote: >>>> >>>>> On 16/02/12 16:03, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: >>>>>> On Feb 15, 2012, at 3:14 AM, Lorenzo Sutton wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 14/02/12 18:49, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: >>>>>>>> On Feb 14, 2012, at 10:17 AM, Lorenzo Sutton wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I know this has probably often been debated but... >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I can't seem to understand the logic for which [import] fails with an error e.g.: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> [import]: ERROR: can't load library in monlib >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> and doesn't for others. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> This is on debian with libraries installed from respective packages, and are all in /usr/lib/pd/extra >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I may be missing something about the behaviour of [import] but the apparently herratic behaviour makes understanding this hard. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Of course all the libs could be imported by prefixing them such as [osc/packOSC] but then opening the help patch won't find [udpsend] which should then be [iemnet/udpsend] etc. having a single [import iemnet osc] would make much more sense. If it worked. >>>>>>>> You can include all the libraries you want in a single import statement, that's the preferred way to do it, i.e. [import moonlib motex Gem osc] >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Now that you've fixed the typo, what's the error? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> As I said this seems to be erratic - at least to me for the moment - so for moonlib specifically e.g. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> [import]: ERROR: can't load library in moonlib >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Same goes e.g. for osc. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On the other hand if I try to import Gem [import Gem] it works. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> One interesting thing i "discovered" for the errors mentioned above is that if I also import (before) libdir they work. Maybe this is the requirement I wasn't understanding about the import process? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> [import libdir moonlib osc] >>>>>>> >>>>>>> gives: >>>>>>> libdir loader 1.9 >>>>>>> compiled on Jul 21 2011 at 03:17:08 >>>>>>> compiled against Pd version 0.43.0. >>>>>>> [import] loaded library: libdir >>>>>>> [import] loaded library: moonlib >>>>>>> [import] loaded library: osc >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Ciao >>>>>>> Lorenzo. >>>>>>> PS: BTW I wouldn't have started a thread based on a single error with a typo although I can see it might have been misleading ;) >>>>>> >>>>>> Sounds like you are using 0.42 preferences with 0.43. Delete or move your ~/.pdextended file and [import moonlib] should work fine. >>>>> Indeed there was a ~/.pdextended file which I removed, but I still get the error, while it works with [import libdir moonlib] >>>> >>>> What about just [import moonlib]? >>> >>> It fails with the same error. >>> >>>> >>>> What does this should you on your machine: >>>> ls -l /usr/lib/pd-extended/startup/ >>> >>> ls: cannot access /usr/lib/pd-extended/startup/: No such file or directory >> >> That's the problem, in Pd-extended 0.43, the loaders (libdir, pdlua, tclpd) are loaded using the new startup/ folder. Yours doesn't exist, so its not loading anything. >> >> Which version of the Pd-extended package are you using? Where did the build come from? > > Ok I see the misunderstanding. This is pd vanilla 0.43 installed from the debian wheezy package *not* Pd-extended! Sorry if it wasn't clear. > > Lorenzo. > PS: Of course I am downloading the new beta... :) other thread Ah yes, that would do it. pd-vanilla doesn't have the startup/ support, but I hope to get it in there. Then the loaders could be packaged in Debian to use the startup/ folder and be automatically loaded at start. Otherwise, yes, you need to [import libdir] before loading any libdir with [import] or [declare -lib]. .hc ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://at.or.at/hans/

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import and search paths - 0.43 on debian
by Lorenzo Sutton 17 Feb '12

17 Feb '12

I know this has probably often been debated but... I can't seem to understand the logic for which [import] fails with an error e.g.: [import]: ERROR: can't load library in monlib and doesn't for others. This is on debian with libraries installed from respective packages, and are all in /usr/lib/pd/extra I may be missing something about the behaviour of [import] but the apparently herratic behaviour makes understanding this hard. Of course all the libs could be imported by prefixing them such as [osc/packOSC] but then opening the help patch won't find [udpsend] which should then be [iemnet/udpsend] etc. having a single [import iemnet osc] would make much more sense. If it worked. Lorenzo.

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socket object?
by Pagano, Patrick 17 Feb '12

17 Feb '12

hi We have a laser pointer that is being tracked and broadcasting on an ip two lists of XY data from a C# application Is there a way i can listen to it in pd by just listening to that socket? I tried netserver and netclient but it does not connect. Can pd listen to this socket without a netsend on that machine?

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specifying time
by Jonathan Wilkes 16 Feb '12

16 Feb '12

[del 4m33s] [1 3s( | [line] [metro 1d2h4m3s21ms] That last one is overkill. :) But sometimes you want to work in something other than ms, and it's a pain to make convenience abstractions. Kinda like [f $0]--[set $1-blah( is a pain If a class with a float method that has no symbol method receives ([0-9]+[wdhms]+)+ then couldn't pd just convert it to a millisecond float value? -Jonathan

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Re: [PD] Patching in fragments
by Jonathan Wilkes 16 Feb '12

16 Feb '12

Cool. When I use the keyboard shortcut "o", something seems different about [osc~] but I can't quite put my finger on it (see attached) :) Is there a way for the Tcl plugin to tell pd to use the key bindings only in editmode, and only when there isn't an active cursor in an object or message box? Also, can the Tcl plugin do things like dangle the object from the mouse pointer (without using the mouse message hack) and remove the object (without the cut message hack)? The behavior I'm after is this: 1) click the shortcut key and the object fragment dangles from the mouse(or it gets put on the canvas and is selected). 2) if the same key is pressed again, that object is removed and the next object fragment associated with that key dangles from the mouse (or gets put on the canvas, selected). 3) if a different shortcut key is pressed, the fragment gets put on the canvas (unselected) and the new fragment dangles from the mouse. I can get that behavior in my abstraction, but it messes with the clipboard data, plus it's dangerous because if you have part of your patch selected and you hit a shortcut key that part of the patch is lost (and you can't undo it!). -Jonathan --- On Fri, 1/8/10, Hans-Christoph Steiner <hans(a)at.or.at> wrote: > From: Hans-Christoph Steiner <hans(a)at.or.at> > Subject: Re: [PD] Patching in fragments > To: "Jonathan Wilkes" <jancsika(a)yahoo.com> > Cc: "PD List" <pd-list(a)iem.at> > Date: Friday, January 8, 2010, 6:48 AM > > Looks promising. Here is another approach as an 0.43 > Tcl plugin. I couldn't figure out how to do > connections, but I didn't try very hard. Drop this > file in the "pd/startup" folder of 0.43, or in the path. > > > > > .hc > > On Jan 5, 2010, at 4:25 AM, Jonathan Wilkes wrote: > > > Here's a remix of a patch by Luke Iannini to get it to > do something I've > > been wanting to try: shortcut keys for scrolling > through a list of > > patch fragments. > > > > I'm just using the cut, paste, and mouse msg hacks so > it works in > > pd-vanilla. But it would be cool to see > something like this as a more > > general feature in pd. > > > > If you wanna play with it just open test.pd and read > the comments. > > > > -Jonathan > > > > > > > <smartasdf.zip>_______________________________________________ > > Pd-list(a)iem.at > mailing list > > UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > "Free software means you control what your computer does. > Non-free software means someone else controls that, and to > some extent controls you." - Richard M. Stallman > > >

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OT >> Pd muzik >> G-_-404 dAAX! Garage404
by xä 16 Feb '12

16 Feb '12

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GEM - pix_write crashes @ 1920x1080
by rainer _ 16 Feb '12

16 Feb '12

hi, I have a problem capturing with pix_write @ 1920x1080 resolution. the same patch with a 1920x900 resolution works fine!!! the rendering subpatch is attached - any idea what´s going wrong??? pd 0.42.5-extended + Gem 0.92.3 + win7 professional cheers, ra

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error: vbap: no method for 'loudspeaker-matrices'
by Christoph Kuhr 16 Feb '12

16 Feb '12

Hi list, im running pd-extended 42.5 on linux mint 11 amd64. its a clean installation and after some searching , hacking and stuff i got define_loudspeakers compiled against amd64. the define_loudspeakers object turned from red to normal and the vbap object now has its 4 in- and outlets. but when i want to use define_loudspeakers with a vbap module, pd complains: error: vbap: no method for 'loudspeaker-matrices' why? i tried to place vbap.pd_linux and define_loudspeakers.pd_linux in /usr/lib/pdextended/extra/vbap as well as in my workspace folder... same effect... regards Ck

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Re: [PD] error: vbap: no method for 'loudspeaker-matrices'
by Christoph Kuhr 16 Feb '12

16 Feb '12

hi, after i installed another version of pd-extended everything worked fine... so i guess hcs was right assuming it was a bug in that version... regards Ck On 15.02.2012 14:41, pd-list-request(a)iem.at wrote: > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 12:32:52 +0100 > From: Jeppi Jeppi<jeppiot(a)hotmail.com> > Subject: Re: [PD] error: vbap: no method for 'loudspeaker-matrices' > To:<hans(a)at.or.at>,<pd-list(a)iem.at> > Message-ID:<SNT141-W57DA81D9FAA9E135B7CAEB27D0(a)phx.gbl> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > I don't think this solves the problem, I load them in order [t b b]->[import vbap] ->[import define_loudspeakers] > and still get that "error: vbap: no method for 'loudspeaker-matrices'"error.I made sure vbap is not in the list of binaries to load. ggee is, not sure whether it loads it.I also get the warning "vbap: Could not open loudspeaker data file .../ls_setup"By the way, [vbap] is so poorly doccumented...:( > The whole sequence of warning I get when loading a simple example is: > define_loudspeakers - v1.0.3 - 12 Aug 2006 - (c) Ville Pulkki 1999-2006vbap: already loadeddefine_loudspeakers: already loadedvbap: Using default loudspeaker setupvbap: Could not open loudspeaker data file .../ls_setup > > So, what functional version should I use? We need vbap working for our piece. > Thanks!Josep M >> > From:hans@at.or.at >> > Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 12:51:27 -0500 >> > To:katjavetter@gmail.com >> > CC:pd-list@iem.at >> > Subject: Re: [PD] error: vbap: no method for 'loudspeaker-matrices' >> > >> > >> > On Feb 14, 2012, at 11:26 AM, katja wrote: >> > >>> > > On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 4:05 PM, Christoph Kuhr<christoph.kuhr(a)web.de> wrote: >>> > > >>>> > >> but when i want to use define_loudspeakers with a vbap module, pd complains: >>>> > >> >>>> > >> error: vbap: no method for 'loudspeaker-matrices' >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > In vbap.c method 'vbap_matrix' is called via message >>> > > 'loudspeaker-matrices', yet the method is not recognized. Possibly >>> > > because the method expects a Symbol argument as well. From the help >>> > > patches I can't understand what it really needs. The C-code speaks of >>> > > 'lsset', loudspeaker set I assume. >> > >> > I think there is a bug in that version. To workaround it, you need to load [vbap] first, then [define_loudspeaker] >> > >> > .hc >> > >> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> > >> > "[T]he greatest purveyor of violence in the world today [is] my own government." - Martin Luther King, Jr. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Pd-list(a)iem.at mailing list >> > UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list

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