Pd-list June 2007

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Re: [PD] PD-list Digest, Vol 27, Issue 42
by Mathieu Bouchard 10 Jun '07

10 Jun '07

jared wrote: > Therein lays the rigidity. Who forms this 'demand'? Is this the demand > because these are the only two options available? I believe that > today's generation of music students would be more interested in grey, > not black and white. I think that they could also be interested in yellow, red, green, blue, purple, orange, cyan, as well as various shades of ultraviolet. Oh, and Squant too (http://www.negativland.com/squant/story.html) _ _ __ ___ _____ ________ _____________ _____________________ ... | Mathieu Bouchard - tél:+1.514.383.3801, Montréal QC Canada

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meet at NIME?
by marius schebella 10 Jun '07

10 Jun '07

hey, someone going to NIME? marius.

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[PD-announce] solenoid concert and netpd-jam in the 'rhiz' bar in vienna
by Roman Haefeli 09 Jun '07

09 Jun '07

hello everyone i'm having a little solenoid concert in vienna at monday evening (2007-06-11) in the rhiz bar in vienna. after that there will be an open (for everyone) netpd jam session. please feel free to join physically, if you are in vienna at this time, or drop in over netpd. where: rhiz guertelbogen 37&38 1080 vienna http://rhiz.org/ when: 9pm - ? cheers roman ps: i feel somehow addressed by some mails concerning netpd. since i possibly won't spend much time in front of computer these days (i'd rather hang around in the city of vienna), i'll answer these when i am back. pps: any pd users around? drop me a line. it might be nice to meet and have a beer or dive into donau instead of pd... :-) roman ___________________________________________________________ Telefonate ohne weitere Kosten vom PC zum PC: http://messenger.yahoo.de _______________________________________________ PD-announce mailing list PD-announce(a)iem.at http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-announce

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correcting pd-extended?
by patrice colet 09 Jun '07

09 Jun '07

Hello, the most important thing that has to be fixed for me actually in pd-extended is the ix extension, so let me try to add a doc file that might help for using those widgets, it's attached. I've copied and pasted the text from the psp file we can find into CVS extension/gui/ix I've forgot to tell one thing, ix extension needs tcl-tk 8.5, so it can't be into pd-extended because it uses tcl-tk 8.4, weird isn't it? Also I suggest to put the dll's of the required tk libs for the windows installation of pd-extended. any comment is appreciated.

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Stop the pd console or copy all
by Javier García 09 Jun '07

09 Jun '07

Hi! I have a path that when i open it, the pd console starts to show messages. I would like to copy all that messages from the beginning but when i move the scrolling bar to the top, it doesnt stay there but it goes to the bottom. So how can i copy all the messages from the beginning? _________________________________________________________________ Acepta el reto MSN Premium: ProtecciÃ³n para tus hijos en internet. DescÃ¡rgalo y pruÃ©balo 2 meses gratis. http://join.msn.com?XAPID=1697&DI=1055&HL=Footer_mailsenviados_proteccionin…

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correcting extended?
by colet.patrice＠free.fr 09 Jun '07

09 Jun '07

Hi list, It would be cool to have the doc file of ix extension into the manuals of extended, I've copied and pasted it to a text file from the psp file we can find in cvs extension/gui/ix, then it might be easier to read. It would also be nice to have the dll's of the tk libs into the win32 version of extended. Last try.

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broken analog inputs w/ pduino 0.3?
by B. Bogart 09 Jun '07

09 Jun '07

Hi Pduinoers, I'm teaching a workshop tomorrow and wanted to get my old arduino demo working (since reinstalling the machine). pduino seems to be working, I was able to upload the new firmware, and I am able to set the digital outputs, and able to use the PWM output. Problem is I'm not getting anything on the analog inputs, they are all stuck at 0, no noise or visible changes. Are the analog inputs known to work with pduino 0.3? I vaguely remember some issue with the analog inputs conflicting with the digital inputs or something? What can I do to debug? Thanks, B. Bogart Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: > > On Jun 1, 2007, at 7:02 PM, B. Bogart wrote: > >> I did notice that, but it seems a proper autoconf build for FTGL could >> only be a good thing, can't hurt to get the problem moving on both ends. >> >> So it seems "getdir" is only available from [ggee/getdir] and not >> [getdir]. What is the standard way for pd-extended externals to be >> called with the libdir stuff? Should I change my references to >> [ggee/getdir] or is there a way I can make [getdir] go to the right >> place? > > The idea is to have everything in a library except for the bare minimum > necessary. You can do [import ggee], then [getdir], or [ggee/getdir], > or add ggee as a startup lib. But [ggee/getdir] is the easiest. I > guess this stuff is still experimental. The prefixes/import solve the > name collision problem, but may add an unnecessary bit of complexity. > >> Are you going to the pd convension? when are you returning? how are you >> travelling? Karen and I were thinking about going to NYC after the >> conference since we'll be so close. Have you run into Jeremy Rotzstain >> yet? > > I am planning to return to NYC on the train. I'll be pretty busy then > since the semester will start shortly thereafter and I have to teach a > new class, meaning lots of prep work. I'll have some time to hang out > then. If you need a place to stay, you can stay with me. I have a > comfortable pull-out bed in my living room. > >> I'm aiming to put about 10 hours a week back into pT now, so hopefully >> things will get moving again. my MSc has turned out to be more work than >> I expected, mostely due to the fact that everything else, like being an >> artist, does not stop!! > > That's good news. Are you thinking of integrating it into Pd-extended, > or keeping it a separate download? If you are going to change it a lot, > I think it would probably make more sense to take it out of Pd-extended, > so you don't have to deal with old versions and version conflicts. For > that reason, I have kept hidio and the Pduino stuff out of this version > of Pd-extended. Plus I am basically ready to release it. > > .hc > >> >> hope to see you. >> >> .b. >> >> >> Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: >>> >>> Hey, >>> >>> FYI: It builds fine on my machine as is, and on the auto-build machines >>> too. It's just a problem with the way that the automatic scripts are >>> called that cause it not to work. I outlined the problem and suggested >>> a solution to IOhannes, hopefully he'll fix it. >>> >>> .hc >>> >>> On Jun 1, 2007, at 5:49 PM, B. Bogart wrote: >>> >>>> Hello Henry, >>>> >>>> I'm trying to assist in a autobuild system for an OSX application (Gem) >>>> that depends on FTGL. Problem is that Gem expects FTGL with an >>>> ftgl-config and ftgl.pc via autoconf. Is a modification of the autoconf >>>> build for unix to allow compilation on OSX w/out xcode possible? >>>> >>>> As OSX is unix it seems an autoconf build for FTGL is reasonable. >>>> Especially as it simplfies autobuilds of projects not using Xcode. >>>> >>>> Thanks for your time. >>>> B. Bogart >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> >>> >>> >>> If nature has made any one thing less susceptible than all others of >>> exclusive property, it is the action of the thinking power called an >>> idea, which an individual may exclusively possess as long as he keeps it >>> to himself; but the moment it is divulged, it forces itself into the >>> possession of everyone, and the receiver cannot dispossess himself of >>> it. - Thomas Jefferson >>> >>> >>> > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > 'You people have such restrictive dress for women,Â’ she said, hobbling > away in three inch heels and panty hose to finish out another > pink-collar temp pool day. - Â“Hijab Scene #2", by Mohja Kahf > > >

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[matrix12] in rtc lib?
by Rich E 09 Jun '07

09 Jun '07

Hi all, anyone know where [matrix12] can be found? It is needed in a few of the rtc patches, can't find it though. regards, rich

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Re: [PD] elitism, software and academia (was GEM FTGL Sadness)
by Jamie Bullock 09 Jun '07

09 Jun '07

Hi Jared, On Fri, 2007-06-08 at 18:39 +0100, jared wrote: > > >I don't know what your academic experience is, but there is a lot of > > >evidence to suggest the opposite of what you are saying. > > Then I attended an institution whose policies are different than the > others. > That's really my point: you can't really generalise about academia because it comprises of an international group of (often unrelated) people and organisations. Some of these share common traits, others don't. > > > I think academia needs to recognize that there are many composers > who > > > use computers as a means to an end; > > >I find this patronising, almost offensive. > > Why so overly sensitive? This wasn't an attack on anyone. It is an > opinion, not an accusation. Did you not see the smiley faces? > Smile :-) > Sorry about that, but it was the generalisation that I didn't like. I would have thought it was a perfectly fair comment if you had put 'I think certain academic institutions need to recognise...' > > I won't name anyone. One example: I had 'programming' classes where I > had to create compositions with Max/MSP and Csound. Instead of using > shared patches/orch files we had to build and use extremely basic > instruments; rarely anything more than an oscillator, filter and an > LFO. So, instead of being encouraged to use shared instruments which > would result in having a composition with some 'character', I have a > couple semesters’ worth of compositions full of bloops, beeps and > sirens. No offense to bloops, beeps and siren lovers :-) I just don't > find it aesthetically interesting. I would have loved if we had fewer > assignments so we could have the time to build our own more > interesting sound generators to include in our compositions. Or, we > should have been allowed to pick and choose between the plethoras of > shared instruments. It sounds like that course wasn't for you :-/ > > >Even if you do, you shouldn't make > > >generalisations about an entire community based on a few personal > > >examples. > > So if someone finds, what they believe to be, something missing from a > system, they shouldn't speak about it? That's rather dangerous > censorship, I believe. That's not what I'm saying at all. The thing is that you haven't found something missing from a system, you've found something missing from a specific institution within a system. I am therefore suggesting that you restrict your comments to that specific case (albeit anonymously) unless you can be sure that they really do apply to the entire system. > > >Where is this rigid line? Do you have any evidence for it? As far as > I > > >can tell there exists a continuum like this: > > > > composer <-> composer/programmer <-> programmer > > > > Do you see that slash that you've put between composer and programmer? > That's the rigid line. Do you notice how the composer and programmer > on opposite sides of the spectrum? That's the rigid line. The slash is intended to indicate someone who is a composer and a programmer. Perhaps I should have indicated the continuum on some sort of 4-dimensional hyperplane ;-) > Therein lays the rigidity. Who forms this 'demand'? Is this the > demand because these are the only two options available? I believe > that today's generation of music students would be more interested in > grey, not black and white. I would imagine that some of them are interested in grey, some of them are interested in black and some of them are interested in white, and some of them are interested in black, white and grey... > > > >.....as well as music technology courses that contain > > no programming elements at all....> > > > > Please let me know of such courses. I'm not being facetious...this is > the type of program that I am interested in. Are you looking for a course largely oriented towards enabling you to author your own artistic outputs (e.g. pieces of music/sound art), or a sound recording/production course, or a bit of both? I only really know about UK Universities, but I will try to help if I can. > > >Bidule (http://www.plogue.com/) if they are on Mac OS, Audiomulch > > >(http://www.audiomulch.com/) if they are on Windows. > > I'm glad you mentioned those programs...I wonder why aren't they more > utilized throughout academia? I would have loved to be able to use > Bidule and Audiomulch for my compositions. > Yes, the irony of this debate is that I actually agree with your point that there is a need for (preferably FLOSS) tools that provide an easier, more accessible, more user-friendly, more immediate route into composition and performance with technology than some of the Music N derivatives (Pd, Max/MSP, Csound SuperCollider etc). You might be interested in a project I'm currently involved in to start addressing some these problems (www.integralive.org). best, Jamie

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Textfile - playlist
by Thomas Mayer 09 Jun '07

09 Jun '07

Hello, is there a way to load the contents of a textfile into something similar to a [float] and a way to put it out line by line. so loading a file with the contents of abc defadf ohekd should give [abc( at the first [bang(, [defadf( at the second, [ohekd( at the third, and nothing on the fourth. I guess that could be done with the [textfile] object, but that's about the end of my knowledge. I haven't done anything with [list] objects, especially I have no idea how to convert a list to symbol and vice versa. Thanks in advance, Thomas -- "Prisons are needed only to provide the illusion that courts and police are effective. They're a kind of job insurance." (Leto II. in: Frank Herbert, God Emperor of Dune) http://thomas.dergrossebruder.org/

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