Pd-list October 2007

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[PD-announce] Correction: Ars Longa - Workshops of digital creation.
by eric genissel 10 Oct '07

10 Oct '07

**Ars Longa organizes throughout the year of the workshops of numerical creation. Here workshops envisaged from october at december 2007. http://www.arslonga.info *PureData, Sensors and Actuators 20 hour 200€ * This module proposes an initiation into the PureData language, finalized(worked out) by an artists' international community developers, at instigation of Miller Puckette (also at the origin of Max / MSP). The flexibility of this language (reduced to the writing of patchs graphs) allows to use him(it) in diverse situations where the real-time management of various types of stream (sound, image / video) is crucial. http://www.arslonga.info/forma_pd.htm Date session: 22 to 25 / 10 /2007 -- Association Ars Longa http://www.arslonga.info _______________________________________________ PD-announce mailing list PD-announce(a)iem.at http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-announce

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hid object and latency
by Warrior Bob 10 Oct '07

10 Oct '07

Hi list, First off, I'm new to pd but it seems to be a fantastic environment. Big thanks to everyone who's worked on it. I've run into a problem. I built a pd patch to translate joystick button inputs into MIDI note signals using hid and noteout. Indeed it functions correctly, and there are no logic errors that I can find as far as which button triggers which note. However there is noticeable latency, too much to use to play an instrument in realtime. Using a MIDI keyboard to send the same notes (bypassing pd), I encounter no latency that I am able to discern easily. I believe the latency must be related to pd, either in my patch or in the hid object, or in my joystick's USB interface (a playstation to USB converter). Is this a known issue in pd or hid, or has anyone encountered this before? If it helps, I am running on a G4 Macintosh, using pd .38.4 extended, and using the IAC Driver to get MIDI data between programs. I have hid polling at 1ms intervals, and am using the Ableton Live demo as my destination (triggering the Impulse plugin). I am almost totally convinced that the latency is in the USB interface, and therefore there is nothing I can do, but I figured it was worth asking. I spent a while going through the list archives, Google, and the documentation but did not find anything. Thanks in advance! Dave H.

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G3 ppc support?
by altern 10 Oct '07

10 Oct '07

hi I use my old mac laptop few times a year to test/build things. Today I found that PD does not work any more, I get this error into pd.crash.log Link (dylid) error: incompatible cpu-subtype it is an old G3 ppc iBook 500mhz. is this type of CPU not supported any more? I tried the PD extended version Pd-0.39.3-extended-rc5-macosx104-powerpc downloaded from hans website but also an older version 0.39.2 extended RC1 any one had a similar problem? enrike

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[PD-announce] Ars Longa - Workshops of digital creation.
by eric genissel 10 Oct '07

10 Oct '07

*Pure Dated, Sensors and Actuators - 20 hour * This module proposes an initiation into the Pure use of the language Dated, finalized(worked out) by an artists' international community developers, at instigation of Miller Puckette (also at the origin of Max / MSP). The flexibility of this language (reduced to the writing of patchs graphs) allows to use him(it) in diverse situations where the real-time management of various types of stream (sound, image / video) is crucial. http://www.arslonga.info/forma_pd.htm Date session: 22 to 25 / 10 / 2007 -- Association Ars Longa http://www.arslonga.info _______________________________________________ PD-announce mailing list PD-announce(a)iem.at http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-announce

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representning classes and selectors in the wiki
by Hans Steiner 10 Oct '07

10 Oct '07

Here's my first stab at representing classes, selectors, and libraries in the wiki: http://pdpedia.at.or.at/test/index.php Feedback please! (keep in mind, this pdpedia is on a very old slow server. It'll be moving to a dual 2GHz G5 shortly). .hc

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Re: [PD] representing classes and selectors in the wiki
by Enrique Erne 10 Oct '07

10 Oct '07

>> Searching for "counter" works pretty well (unfortunately, "Go" is the >> default when you hit enter): > >i see. what does "Go" mean? there are two submit buttons underneath the search input field. "Go" directly displays the site with the highest ranking, like googles "i'm feeling lucky". "Search" shows all search results as the following link: http://wiki.puredata.info/en/Special:Search?search=counter&fulltext=Search when hitting enter the first appearing submit button will be submitted. in order to change "Go" and "Search" the two buttons should be switched in the html structure. if somebody points me to the template i can change that. also the wiki might provide an option to switch the default action. eni

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PD-extended Win32 msgfile bug
by Ed Kelly 10 Oct '07

10 Oct '07

Hi Hans, Found an insect in PD extended ;-) error: msgfile_read: unable to lseek hmmmm... :-# Ed Lone Shark "Aviation" out now on http://www.pyramidtransmissions.com http://www.myspace.com/sharktracks --------------------------------- For ideas on reducing your carbon footprint visit Yahoo! For Good this month.

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pd-extended 39-3 libraries load
by Luiz Naveda 10 Oct '07

10 Oct '07

I ask me the same thing every day... Nowdays I have had a strange problem. I have my own library which depends on some other libraris from PD extended. When I have to install it in other computers, I put my folders in 2 of the 10 slot-path but normally it misses 3 or 4 other libraries, so I start to look for the missing objects and rewrite all missing libraries in the 10 slots... Best Luiz ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Luiz Naveda <lab.naveda(a)gmail.com> Date: Oct 7, 2007 12:51 PM Subject: Re: [PD] pd-extended 39-3 libraries load To: pit klong <klong1(a)gmx.de> I ask me the same thing every day... Nowdays I have had a strange problem. I have my own library which depends on some other libraris from PD extended. When I have to install it in other computers, I put my folders in 2 of the 10 slot-path but normally it misses 3 or 4 other libraries, so I start to look for the missing objects and rewrite all missing libraries in the 10 slots... Best Luiz On 10/7/07, pit klong <klong1(a)gmx.de> wrote: > > hello list, > i've installed Pd-0.39.3-extended-rc5-windowsxp-i386.exe on XP, with > default library set. > > i wonder that no dll's from the "extra"-path are available. > and i do not understand at all, in file->path... there are 10 slots for > paths, but you have plenty of more paths with libraries/ externals in > pd-ext. > > how do i manage a startup that loads ALL externals, ALL dlls? > > regards, > pit > > > -- > Psssst! Schon vom neuen GMX MultiMessenger gehört? > Der kanns mit allen: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/multimessenger > > _______________________________________________ > PD-list(a)iem.at mailing list > UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> > http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list > -- Luiz Naveda ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ PhD Student IPEM University of Gent - Belgium -- Luiz Naveda ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ PhD Student IPEM University of Gent - Belgium

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Re: [PD] That's a surprising new look
by Hans-Christoph Steiner 10 Oct '07

10 Oct '07

This is the stuff that I think is much more interesting, it's the stuff that doesn't make for sexy videos, but actually improves your life: http://www.cycling74.com/?op=displaystory;sid=2007/9/28/105551/882 "Let me give you just one example of what I'm talking about. In Max 4.x there was something we call the "quick reference" menu. You might not even know about it because it involves clicking on an object with two keys held down (and naturally, I can't remember which ones they are right now!). We've improved this feature in a number of ways. First, to see the menu, all you have to do is click on the inlet of the object. A menu of all the messages and attributes for the object will pop up. And when you mouse over a message name, a description of what it does appears taken directly from the Max reference documentation. Select the message, and Max creates a message box containing the message name already connected to the object's inlet. " This is an interesting change, but it seems to be another hack on the already whacked Max/Pd symbol/list handling: "You no longer need to prepend a message with "symbol" in order to send it to a message box." .hc On Oct 9, 2007, at 5:36 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: > > I understand that they are trying to separate the interface from > the implementation. The problem with that technique is there isn't > a clear way to tell which item in presentation mode belongs to > which item in edit mode. I can see having to click back and > forth between presentation and edit modes to figure out which GUI > element is attached where. It'll only get worse with more > complicated patches. > > Max/Pd are graphical languages, so such things should be > represented visually, whenever possible. I don't see how the two > different positions are represented, besides the little moving fade > between the two modes. > > I think the "hide patch coords" function also has similar issues, > it basically reinforces bad habits. The Pd graph-on-parent makes > more sense IMHO because it uses existing Pd mechanisms for > encapsulation and encourages patchers to modularize their > programs. GOP definitely needs work, but I think it's a better path. > > On a positive note, the new file browser stuff looks really handy. > The drag-n-drop message creation looks nifty, but I am not sure how > useful it is. Maybe yes, maybe no. > > .hc > > On Oct 9, 2007, at 3:15 PM, vade wrote: > >> Hans, thats the whole point of presentation mode, to separate the >> patching logic from the presentation! >> >> you can organize your gui elements in the code in places that make >> sense and follow the logical flow of the patch, and then present >> them in the UI however you choose. >> >> I am so glad they finally listened to Max users screaming for PD's >> keyboard shortcuts for instantiation of objects method. Will make >> patching much faster for us Max users. >> >> >> On Oct 9, 2007, at 2:55 PM, altern wrote: >> >>> these links interesting as well. >>> >>> An article by Zicarelly: >>> http://www.cycling74.com/?op=displaystory;sid=2007/9/28/105551/882 >>> >>> and videos showing the new max: >>> http://www.cycling74.com/story/2007/10/5/91222/9559 >>> >>> >>> Hans-Christoph Steiner(e)k dio: >>>> >>>> Hmm, looks nice, with lots of nifty features. But I think a lot >>>> of them >>>> would drive me nuts. Like the fact that you can move the GUI >>>> elements >>>> around in presentation mode separately from edit mode. >>>> >>>> .hc >>>> >>>> On Oct 8, 2007, at 9:53 PM, Thomas O Fredericks wrote: >>>> >>>>> http://createdigitalmusic.com/2007/10/08/first-max-5-preview- >>>>> music-patching-the-next-generation/ >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> PD-list(a)iem.at <mailto:PD-list@iem.at> mailing list >>>>> UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> >>>>> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> --------- >>>> >>>> You can't steal a gift. Bird gave the world his music, and if >>>> you can >>>> hear it, you can have it. - Dizzy Gillespie >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> ----- >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> PD-list(a)iem.at mailing list >>>> UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/ >>>> listinfo/pd-list >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> PD-list(a)iem.at mailing list >>> UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/ >>> listinfo/pd-list >> >> v a d e // >> >> www.vade.info >> abstrakt.vade.info >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PD-list(a)iem.at mailing list >> UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/ >> listinfo/pd-list > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ---- I have the audacity to believe that peoples everywhere can have three meals a day for their bodies, education and culture for their minds, and dignity, equality and freedom for their spirits. - Martin Luther King, Jr.

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colrgrid / GOP behaviour
by Jerome Tuncer 10 Oct '07

10 Oct '07

Hi Yves/list, I'm extensively using Yves/Lluis' [colorgrid] graphical object and have a question about one of its behaviour. What prevents it from appearing on GOP patches ? I already noticed this behaviour with other GUI stuff - namely core pd/IEM's [vu]). From a user (!= programmer) point of view, this seems strange to see two different behaviours for GUI objects regarding GOP patching. If this is easy to implement, this is on my wishlist for colorgrid Yves (: Jé

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