Pd-list May 2004

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anyone successfully building PD themselves on windows?
by Josh Steiner 06 May '04

06 May '04

hey all, i'd like to experiment with different tcl/tk versions on my windows pd install to see if i can track down this nasty bug where the tcl gui pegs my cpu and never recovers seemingly at random. its one of those nasty bugs we havnt been able to reproduce, but seems to like to crop up when we are setting up for a gig (*gulp*). i'm hoping that its just a bug in tcl 8.3. anyhow, if any of you are having any luck building pd, i could use some advice. i've got visual studio 6 but when i've tried to build it it fails, probably some path issue. plus i dont know if you build your own tcl/tk or if you find a binary of it somewhere. thanks. -- ________________________________________________________________ live experimental electronic music -- http://bluevitriol.com independent u.s. drum'n'bass -- http://vitriolix.com

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Re: MBox with PD under OSX!
by Mitchell Turner 06 May '04

06 May '04

Nick, Yes, I did get it to work a while back. I have not had a chance to check if these instructions work with the newest DIGI drivers (6.4 I think) yet, but, I can check tonight. Hope this helps, Mitch Using the Mbox with PD I think that this is complete. If not let me know and I'll update it mmturner(a)mindspring.com Three things to load/setup first: 1) Jack http://www.jackosx.com/ setup according to their very good documentation 2) PD compiled with Jack Direct link is: http://www.meskalina.it/elementicaotici/dev/downloads/pd-0.37-JACK.tgz Found on the page: http://www.meskalina.it/elementicaotici/dev/jack.html You will need to set this up a bit. - move the pd-0.37-0-Jack folder to where ever you plan to keep it - Inside the pd-0.37-0-Jack directory, run the "PD (launcher)" (it may open wish for a second and then wish may close) - Go to the Preferences for PD (Launcher) and set the command line mine is: /Applications/MusicApps/pd-0.37-0-Jack/bin/./pd -jack the "./" before pd -jack was needed on my system as this bin directory is not in my Path - Save the Command line, then close the PD (launcher) 3) Plug in your Mbox - run the DigiDesign CoreAudioSetup - click the supported Applications button - click Add New Application button - select JackPilot - Jack Pilot should be added to the list - click Done and then Done Now the running procedure (do this in the order given): 1) plug in your Mbox 2) launch JackPilot 3) in JackPilot, set the Preferences (in the JackPilot Menu) set the Interface drop-down menu to Digidesign HW (MBox) click save 4) in JackPilot, click Start Jack 5) launch the PD (launcher) app wish should open and it should use the Mbox as your I/O When you shut down, close Wish and PD Launcher before trying to shut down JackPilot Hope this is helpful, please let me know if it works or if I should change some things in the instructions. Mitch On May 6, 2004, at 1:10 PM, Nick Fells wrote: > Hi, I just wondered if you ever got a satisfactory solution to this > one? Any help much appreciated. > > Thanks, > > Nick > --- > > Pd list, > Has anyone figured out how to use PD with the newest Mbox drivers? I > recently downloaded the newest coreaudio driver from Digidesign (ver. > 6.1.1). I know that there is a Digi Audio setup application in which > you tell the digi coreaudio driver which applications can have access > to the coreaudio driver. (I had to put Max in the list). > > How does one do this with an application run from Terminal? I'm stuck. > Any help would be greatly appreciated. PD worked great with the last > digi driver (vers. 1.2). I hope this new driver will play nicely. > > Thanks in advance, > Mitch > > > > > > Mitchell Turner, Ph.D. Assistant Professor of Music LaGrange College 601 Broad Street LaGrange, GA 30240 USA Office: 706-880-8015 FAX: 706-880-8028 mturner(a)lagrange.edu http://mmturner.home.mindspring.com > > > > > > --- > Dr Nick Fells, > Music Department, > University of Glasgow, > Glasgow G12 8QQ > UK. > Tel: +44 (0) 141-330 4096 > Fax: +44 (0) 141-330 3518 > http://www.gla.ac.uk/music/staff/nick

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'coll' object problem
by Owen Cartwright 06 May '04

06 May '04

Hello, I just learned about the wonderful 'coll' object in pd, but when ever I attempt to create it on my computer, i get the classic "this program has encounterd a problem and needs to close" message. I am on the latest version of pd in Windows XP. Also, does anyone know how to invoke the properties menu in the 'grid' object for windows? Many many thanks, Owen C.

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"click" messages on GUI objects?
by Mathieu Bouchard 06 May '04

06 May '04

I would be curious to know who ever explicitly sends "click" messages to any builtin GUI objects of Pd (bang, toggle, etc.). I ask this because I'm considering dropping support for them in Impd... ________________________________________________________________ Mathieu Bouchard http://artengine.ca/matju

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message unite
by timon botez 06 May '04

06 May '04

Hi list, Im having problems trying to unite two variables within a list. Im using the [remote] object to send to 100 different receivers (x1 -x100). I want to generate a the sender dynamically. I use the [prepend] object to add a number to my x receivers. This spits out x 1 - x 100. Since the [receive] object wont allow any spaces I want to get rid of the space between the x and the number. Any suggestions? Anylittle helps. Timon.

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sending midi notes as a string
by Gary Newby 06 May '04

06 May '04

I'm playing around with TCL/Wish connected via tcp socket to PD. Is it possible to send a command that will allow PD to play a midi note out on a given midi port? - like "notein 60 1 120" etc I'de like to use TCL to generate midi music and have PD play it out on midi. Any help appreciated.

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multislider with structs
by Frank Barknecht 05 May '04

05 May '04

Hallo, inspired by Orm Finnendahl's crazy stuff with structs which he presented on the Linux Audio Conference here is a quick-hack multislider done using structs. slidertest.pd is the slider, useslider.pd shows, that it is fully localized and can be use as an abstraction multiple times inside a single patch. Open useslider.pd, select number of sliders to create (10 max for space restrictions) bang "create". A RRADicalized version with actual outlets probably will follow later. Have fun. Ciao -- Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org__

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RE: [PD] More pdp blues
by Ian Smith-Heisters 05 May '04

05 May '04

The max locked memory and max memory size lines of my ulimit -a output are exactly the same as yours. In Gem I can run 9 movies/streams at the same time with no problems. All my resolutions are at 160x120, both in Gem and PDP. What's causing the stream of pdp_dumps? The pdp_dumps are usually 3/sec with one v4l and one yqt at the same time. With no v4l and 2 yqt running the stream of dumps is about 2/sec. When I add another yqt to either a pair of yqt or the v4l/yqt pair, the stream of pdp_dump is constant. For now I've switched to Gem, so I'm not in a hurry to figure this out any longer. But PDP/PiDiP has features that are much more powerful for video (as opposed to 3D), so I would like to figure this out. Running a webcam stream and a quicktime stream at the same time is something I'll probably want to do in PDP a lot. > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Re: [PD] More pdp blues > From: "Yves Degoyon" <ydegoyon(a)free.fr> > Date: Tue, May 04, 2004 2:51 pm > To: "Ian Smith-Heisters" <heisters(a)0x09.com> > Cc: pd-list(a)iem.at > > hi, > > i think it's mainly a memory issue, > i forgot about that memory limitation thing, > i'm running in an unlimited mode : > > ulimit -a > max locked memory (kbytes, -l) unlimited > max memory size (kbytes, -m) unlimited > > it fairly depends on the number and the resolutions > of the videos you're playing > ( and of the size of the canvas too ). > > meybe, should change your memory settings?? > > suerte, > sevy > > > Ian Smith-Heisters wrote: > > >>>maybe be using pdp_yqt instead of pdp_qt? > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>this, yes, it's lighter. > >> > >> > > > >I switched to pdp_yqt and the stream of pdp_dump remains. > > > > > > > >>>I have pdp in its own thread, a [block~ 131072 8] which doesn't > seem > >>> > >>> > >>to help, and memory usage set to 100 megs > >> > >> > >>>max. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>it's not so much, especially for the canvas. > >> > >> > > > >What would be good numbers? Is there a disadvantage to having it too > high, as long as I can spare the memory? > >If I lower the memlimit, won't it just crash all that much sooner? > > > > > > > >>>Problem is, instead of managing the memory as I'd hoped, it just > exits > >>> > >>> > >>when it goes over that limit. I am > >> > >> > >>>trying to loop the video with pdp_qt > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>there is a 'loop' message to pdp_qt or pdp_yqt for that purpose. > >> > >> > > > >Yeah, what I was saying is, that I *am* using the loop message > already, but I am *not* using any pdp_loop or > >pdp_delay. I said this because the message memlimit passes when it > closes pd is > >"WARNING: increase memory limit or decrease packet usage (i.e. > pdp_loop, pdp_delay)." > >And, unless they're buried in the other objects I'm using, I'm not > using pdp_loop or delay. > > > >What could be causing so many pdp_dumps? Pdp_yqt did slow the > occurence of pdp_dumps down to about 3/sec from > >5/sec (guesstimating), but it still quickly eats up every available > byte of RAM. As the pdp_dumps roll in and > >start eating memory, I use pdp_control's garbagecollect, but that only > frees about 3 packets and has no > >noticeable effect on the amount of memory usage. > > > >Thanks for your patience Yves > >-Ian > > > >_______________________________________________ > >PD-list mailing list > >PD-list(a)iem.at > >to manage your subscription (including un-subscription) see > >http://iem.at/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pd-list > > > > > > > >

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RE: [PD] More pdp blues
by Ian Smith-Heisters 04 May '04

04 May '04

> >maybe be using pdp_yqt instead of pdp_qt? > > > this, yes, it's lighter. I switched to pdp_yqt and the stream of pdp_dump remains. > > > >I have pdp in its own thread, a [block~ 131072 8] which doesn't seem > to help, and memory usage set to 100 megs > >max. > > > it's not so much, especially for the canvas. What would be good numbers? Is there a disadvantage to having it too high, as long as I can spare the memory? If I lower the memlimit, won't it just crash all that much sooner? > >Problem is, instead of managing the memory as I'd hoped, it just exits > when it goes over that limit. I am > >trying to loop the video with pdp_qt > > > there is a 'loop' message to pdp_qt or pdp_yqt for that purpose. Yeah, what I was saying is, that I *am* using the loop message already, but I am *not* using any pdp_loop or pdp_delay. I said this because the message memlimit passes when it closes pd is "WARNING: increase memory limit or decrease packet usage (i.e. pdp_loop, pdp_delay)." And, unless they're buried in the other objects I'm using, I'm not using pdp_loop or delay. What could be causing so many pdp_dumps? Pdp_yqt did slow the occurence of pdp_dumps down to about 3/sec from 5/sec (guesstimating), but it still quickly eats up every available byte of RAM. As the pdp_dumps roll in and start eating memory, I use pdp_control's garbagecollect, but that only frees about 3 packets and has no noticeable effect on the amount of memory usage. Thanks for your patience Yves -Ian

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quantize~ for messages?
by droid 04 May '04

04 May '04

can i get a quantize~ for messages? or do i have to convert to signal and then back again? thanks -poil's droid-

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