Pd-list May 2004

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Re: [PD] xnetreceive
by Pall Thayer 07 May '04

07 May '04

Not much of a programmer myself but I tried compiling this on Mac OS X. After commenting out the ifdef Unix and all the win stuff, the only error I get is the following... what does this mean? pallis-Computer:/Applications/pd-0.37-1/src root# gcc xnetreceive.c ld: Undefined symbols: _main _binbuf_eval _binbuf_free _binbuf_getnatom _binbuf_getvec _binbuf_new _binbuf_text _bug _class_new _freebytes _gensym _getbytes _outlet_anything _outlet_float _outlet_list _outlet_new _outlet_setstacklim _outlet_symbol _pd_error _pd_new _post _s_anything _s_float _sys_addpollfn _sys_bail _sys_closesocket _sys_rmpollfn _sys_sockerror > This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > > Jorge Cardoso wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I have made an external (xnetreceive - eXtended netreceive) > > that acts like netreceive with two new outlets: ip address and port number. > > It is based on the [netreceive] and [netserver] objects (and source code!). > > > > I have used this to exchange info between java applets and PD. > > [netreceive] doesn't output the ip address, and [netserver] only > > works for TCP connections and I needed both... > > > > The external is compiled for windows only (I don't have access > > to a Mac or Linux box). If anyone would care to (try) to compile > > it for other platforms I would be much appreciated. > > Looks good! > I just changed it a bit (see attached xnetreceive.c) and used this > makefile with it under suse7.2. > You need to set the INCLDUE path in the makefile to point to your pd source. > Probably the makefile is not optimal (doesn't install or clean) but it > works OK when you run pd from the same directory as xnetreceive.pd_linux. > > > Martin > > -- Pall Thayer artist/teacher http://www.this.is/pallit http://130.208.220.190 http://130.208.220.190/nuharm http://130.208.220.190/panse

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Re: [PD] drummachines
by shreeswifty 07 May '04

07 May '04

btw dist _is in the installer pack and i get everything up and looking nice but what is the easiest connection for maximun usage of jass? stepping through tables? On Fri May 07 08:32:07 EDT 2004, Patrick Pagano <bigswift(a)ufl.edu> wrote: > i will give it a shot > i also found this cool one called Groover > > On Thursday, May 6, 2004, at 12:26 PM, CK wrote: > >> I read: >>> similar to loading a sample/loop that will become the kick drum >>> etc... >> >> hmmm .. I'm not sure I understand but for pattern sequencing you >> could >> take a look at jass -> http://test.pilot.fm/pd/patches/jass/ >> If I understand correctly the playback already works right ? >> Frank's rrradical (sp?) stuff could also be helpfull. >> >> . >> . >>> i saw a cool patch but it needs mjLib and monoryhthm which is >>> not in >>> the installer treasure chest >> >> jass requires zexy (should be in there) and maxlib's dist dunno >> if that's >> in the installer though. >> >> HTH >> >> x >> >> -- chris(a)lo-res.org Postmodernism is german romanticism with >> better >> http://pilot.fm/ special effects. (Jeff Keuss / via ctheory.com) >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PD-list mailing list >> PD-list(a)iem.at >> to manage your subscription (including un-subscription) see >> http://iem.at/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pd-list >> > > > _______________________________________________ > PD-list mailing list > PD-list(a)iem.at > to manage your subscription (including un-subscription) see > http://iem.at/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pd-list > > Patrick Pagano, B.S.,M.F.A Candidate Research And Development Assistant Digital Worlds Institute University Of Florida (352) 294-2070

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relative pathnames/ stripping paths
by derek holzer 07 May '04

07 May '04

Since [strippathname] segfaults for me, does anybody have another idea to convert the paths sent by [openpanel] to relative paths, or to strip everything but the filename? thx! d. -- derek holzer ::: http://www.umatic.nl ---Oblique Strategy # 57: "Do the words need changing?"

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asio4all
by nexyufuli evo 07 May '04

07 May '04

hi list no question this time, found this generic asiodriver for common soundcards witch normaly dont have a asiodriver http://michael.tippach.bei.t-online.de/asio4all/ works fine on my computer and pd . . . grz nos

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Re: [PD-announce] xsample 0.3.0 - extended sample objects
by Thomas Grill 07 May '04

07 May '04

Hi Oliver, the bug is fixed in the cvs. many thanks, Thomas ----- Original Message ----- From: "oliver" <oliver(a)klingt.org> To: "Thomas Grill" <t.grill(a)gmx.net> Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2004 6:39 PM Subject: Re: [PD-announce] xsample 0.3.0 - extended sample objects > hi, thomas > > i ran across a serious bug in your new xsample version. under certain > circumstances the sound keeps "freezing" around the starting point at a > length of some samples. > > attached is a pd-patch that reproduces the error. > > funnily enough, in your "pre15" version of xsample-0.3.0 > this error doesn't occur! > > ciao > > oliver

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sync keyboard arpeggiator to pd...
by Steve Ritchey 07 May '04

07 May '04

i have built a drum machine in pd, and need to send the midi clock to my synth's arpeggiatior... how to convert metro, metroplus, monorhythm (mjLib objects) signals to midi time code? what object to send this signal thru? using pd 0.37-1 in win XP... im new to the list... thanks ahead of time... steev

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Re: [PD] xnetreceive OSX binary
by Pall Thayer 07 May '04

07 May '04

OK, cool. Finally worked. So everyone, here is an OSX binary of Jorge Cardoso's xnetreceive if anyone wants (pretty cool, gives clients port no. and IP). If you want to compile it yourselves I used: gcc -g -DMACOSX -DPD -Wall -W -Wshadow -Wstrict-prototypes -Wno-unused -Wno- parentheses -Wno-switch -bundle -bundle_loader /Applications/pd-0.37-1/bin/pd -o xnetreceive.pd_darwin xnetreceive.c Don't know if all those flags are really needed. Found them in a makefile for something else. Thanks for the help Thomas. Palli > Hi Pall, > you'd better link with gcc than with plain ld. > > greetings, > Thomas > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Pall Thayer" <palli(a)pallit.lhi.is> > To: "Thomas Grill" <t.grill(a)gmx.net> > Cc: "Martin Peach" <martinrp(a)vax2.concordia.ca>; <pd-list(a)iem.at> > Sent: Friday, May 07, 2004 12:25 AM > Subject: Re: [PD] xnetreceive > > > > Hey, cool. That almost worked. Shortened my ld: Undefined symbols: list > > by about half. Still missing stuff like __sF _accept _bind _fprintf > > _free _inet_ntoa _listen _malloc _socket _strcmp etc... Sounds like some > > pretty standard stuff. How do I fix it? > > > > palli > > > > Thomas Grill wrote: > > > > > Hi, > > > for OSX you need something like > > > -bundle -bundle_loader /usr/local/bin/pd > > > > > > best, > > > Thomas > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Pall Thayer" <palli(a)pallit.lhi.is> > > > To: "Martin Peach" <martinrp(a)vax2.concordia.ca> > > > Cc: <pd-list(a)iem.at> > > > Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2004 8:48 PM > > > Subject: Re: [PD] xnetreceive > > > > > > > > > > > >>Ok, ld doesn't recognize the -export_dynamic and -shared flags on Mac OS > > >>X but at least I know what I'm looking for. > > >> > > >>palli > > >> > > >>Martin Peach wrote: > > >> > > >>>Pall Thayer wrote: > > >>> > > >>> > > >>>>Not much of a programmer myself but I tried compiling this on Mac OS > > >>>>X. After commenting out the ifdef Unix and all the win stuff, the only > > >>>>error I get is the following... what does this mean? > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>>>pallis-Computer:/Applications/pd-0.37-1/src root# gcc xnetreceive.c > > >>>>ld: Undefined symbols: > > >>>>_main > > >>>>_binbuf_eval > > >>>>_binbuf_free > > >>>>_binbuf_getnatom > > >>> > > >>>... > > >>> > > >>>Looks like ld (the linker) is looking for entry points in pd. Probably > > >>>because you need to build it as dynamic shared library as opposed to a > > >>>standalone program. In my makefile I have > > >>>ld -export_dynamic -shared ... > > >>>which I believe is what it takes to do this in linux, but I don't know > > >>>OSX enough to be sure that will work there as well. > > >>> > > >>>Martin > > >>> > > >>> > > >>>_______________________________________________ > > >>>PD-list mailing list > > >>>PD-list(a)iem.at > > >>>to manage your subscription (including un-subscription) see > > >>>http://iem.at/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pd-list > > >>> > > >> > > >>-- > > >>_________________________________ > > >> > > >>Pall Thayer > > >>artist/teacher > > >>http://www.this.is/pallit > > >>http://130.208.220.190/ > > >>http://130.208.220.190/nuharm/ > > >>http://130.208.220.190/panse/ > > >>_________________________________ > > >> > > >>_______________________________________________ > > >>PD-list mailing list > > >>PD-list(a)iem.at > > >>to manage your subscription (including un-subscription) see > > >>http://iem.at/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pd-list > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > -- > > _________________________________ > > > > Pall Thayer > > artist/teacher > > http://www.this.is/pallit > > http://130.208.220.190/ > > http://130.208.220.190/nuharm/ > > http://130.208.220.190/panse/ > > _________________________________ > > > > > > -- Pall Thayer artist/teacher http://www.this.is/pallit http://130.208.220.190 http://130.208.220.190/nuharm http://130.208.220.190/panse

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[OT] -> [-empyre-] (n) formative states
by jonCates 07 May '04

07 May '04

// i am x-posting this msg in hopes of (re)connecting these conversations. // this month developers of criticalartware // http://www.criticalartware.net // are the guests [of/on] the empyre listserv // i hope you can join us by subscribing to the // empyre listserv. to subscribe to empyre goto: // http://www.subtle.net/empyre/ // + enter the info they request. // jonCates // ---> criticalartware coreDeveloper // http://www.criticalartware.net >Date: Thu, 6 May 2004 17:16:18 -0500 >To: soft_skinned_space <empyre(a)lists.cofa.unsw.edu.au> >From: jonCates <joncates(a)criticalartware.net> >Subject: [-empyre-] (n) formative states > >in a recent post to the generative art listserv "eu-gene", which was >the result of [cross-posting/pollinating w/] conversations happening >on the .micrcosound + PureData "PD-List" listservs, Saul Albert >participated in a discussion of the term "software-art". responding >to a post from Philip Galanter, Saul Albert proposed introducing >greater ambiguity + confusion into taxonomical >[structures/constructions]. > >"Philip Galanter wrote: >>> We do need to be more careful about how we define and categorise our >>> work. It's hard to do when there are few precedents and doing so may >>> even feel counterintuitive. > >Saul Albert wrote: >>No! Be less careful, define and categorise a thousand times a day, >>and keep on doing it until nobody >believes in the stability of >>those categories as meaningful *in themselves* anymore. It's so >>easy when >there are few precedents!" >> >... > >> >>"I also suggest a new slew of categories for software art, derived >>from Borges' observations about the >problems of John Wilkins' >>taxonomic language system: >> >>"These ambiguities, redundancies and deficiencies remind us of >>those which doctor Franz Kuhn attributes >to a certain Chinese >>encyclopedia entitled 'Celestial Empire of benevolent Knowledge'. >>In its remote pages >it is written that the animals are divided >>into: >> >>(a) belonging to the emperor >>(b) embalmed >>(c) tame >>(d) sucking pigs >>(e) sirens >>(f) fabulous >>(g) stray dogs, >>(h) included in the present classification, >>(i) frenzied >>(j) innumerable >>(k) drawn with a very fine camelhair brush >>(l) et cetera >>(m) having just broken the water pitcher >>(n) that from a long way off look like flies." >> >>----------------- >>from 'The Analytical Language of John Wilkins', by Jorge Luis Borges >>http://www.alamut.com/subj/artiface/language/johnWilkins.html >>-----------------" > >data.src: >Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2004 23:45:50 +0000 >From: Saul Albert <saul(a)twenteenthcentury.com> >To: generative art <eu-gene(a)generative.net> >Subject: Re: [eu-gene] [Fwd: [microsound] 'Code as Art' Digest [from >the PD-List]] > >i was particularly taken w/this exchange for mini reasons, among >them the crossing of [wires/threads] between the 3 listservs, the >questions of opaqueness + transparency in the >linguistic/{il|l}ogical] constructions + the >[stability/impermanence] of such [structures/definitions]. i was >also drawn into this conversation b/c i greatly respect the work of >both Philip Galanter + Saul Albert. >specifically, Philip Galanter's Generative Analog Videos (1993 - >1998) provide a link between video art + artware in that they are >feature "video feedback as a chaotic generative system" + function >as [executables/systems/applications/programs], connecting to Jack >Burnham's "systems aesthetic". >Saul Albert's 'Artware - Art, Software and conceptualism' >http://twenteenthcentury.com/saul/artware.htm >[article/essay] [is/was] deeply [inspirational/informative] to the >development of criticalartware. when i first read the text i was >elated by the word 'artware' (this was i think the 1rst time i read >'artware' as a term applied to the conflux of [concepts/constructs] >that were of such great interest to me. later, the group of people >that would become the coreDevelopers of criticalartware began >discussing the connections between conceptual art, minimalism, >performance, expanded cinema, video art, hacking, Radical Software, >systems aesthetics, the internet, network cultures, genealogies, >software, current version systems, instructions sets, art as >executable code, etc, etc, etc... >-- >//jonCates > ---> criticalartware coreDeveloper >http://www.criticalartware.net >_______________________________________________ >empyre forum >empyre(a)lists.cofa.unsw.edu.au >http://www.subtle.net/empyre

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Re: flext/mingw
by Thomas Grill 07 May '04

07 May '04

Hi Carmen, i'm using the mingw-3.1.0-1 package. You either have an older version where the c++ headers are missing or something is wrong with your installation. The <new> file and others should be found in the include/c++/(compiler version) subfolder of mingw. best greetings, Thomas ----- Original Message ----- From: "carmen" <ix(a)replic.net> To: <xovo(a)gmx.net> Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2004 4:50 AM Subject: flext/mingw > hi, sorry to bother you with this stuff, but i cant seem to get flext building in mingw, the errors are something like: > > In file included from source/flbase.h:21, > from source/flclass.h:20, > from source/flext.h:66, > from source/flbase.cpp:17: > source/flsupport.h:19:15: new: No such file or directory > In file included from source/flbase.h:21, > from source/flclass.h:20, > from source/flext.h:66, > from source/flbase.cpp:17: > source/flsupport.h:86: invalid use of undefined type `struct std::bad_alloc' > <internal>:86: forward declaration of `struct std::bad_alloc' > source/flsupport.h:89: invalid use of undefined type `struct std::bad_alloc' > <internal>:89: forward declaration of `struct std::bad_alloc' > > after removing #include <new> the first one goes away, but perhaps <new> is supposed to do something? > > just wondering which version of mingw you were using, perhaps... > > carmen > > >

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Re: [PD] anyone successfully building PD themselves on windows?
by Josh Steiner 06 May '04

06 May '04

rock on! thanks for the link. carmen wrote: >On Thu, May 06, 2004 at 10:53:06AM -0700, Josh Steiner wrote: > > >>hey all, i'd like to experiment with different tcl/tk versions on my >>windows pd install to see if i can track down this nasty bug where the >>tcl gui pegs my cpu and never recovers seemingly at random. its one of >>those nasty bugs we havnt been able to reproduce, but seems to like to >>crop up when we are setting up for a gig (*gulp*). i'm hoping that its >>just a bug in tcl 8.3. anyhow, if any of you are having any luck >>building pd, i could use some advice. i've got visual studio 6 but >>when i've tried to build it it fails, probably some path issue. plus i >>dont know if you build your own tcl/tk or if you find a binary of it >>somewhere. >> >> > >not sure about your crash, try -d 3 as an option when invoking pd, it will print all teh stuff that is being communicated between pd & the gui. > >and vc6 is really old, you can dwonload vc2003 for free...from microsofts website somewehre, i think its faster than mingw, especially when compiling pd as a VST, but i generally use mingw, it sjust less hassle.: > >http://whats-your.name/pd/build_pd_mingw32.html has the links > >c > > > > > >>thanks. >> >>-- >>________________________________________________________________ >>live experimental electronic music -- http://bluevitriol.com >>independent u.s. drum'n'bass -- http://vitriolix.com >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>PD-list mailing list >>PD-list(a)iem.at >>to manage your subscription (including un-subscription) see >>http://iem.at/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pd-list >> >> -- ________________________________________________________________ live experimental electronic music -- http://bluevitriol.com independent u.s. drum'n'bass -- http://vitriolix.com

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