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how to [pack] anything?
by Roman Haefeli 09 May '04

09 May '04

hi although my problem seems to be simple, i don't have any solution for it: i'd like to create a list consisting of two elements, like you normally do with [pack]. my problem: the elements can be floats OR symbols, but the the [pack]-object expects only one type for each argument. how can i "pack" anything together? thanks for ideas

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PD-DAY at CODED CULTURES?; vienna 16. - 30.may
by matthias tarasiewicz 09 May '04

09 May '04

hello pd list. we are organizing a big event in museumsquartier vienna/austria which will take place from the 16. to 30.may.2004 (more information below in german and english) as we have lots of workshops on "artistic tools for creating digital works" i also wanted to have a PD workshop/ PD day there will be a PDP workshop by martin pichlmayr, which is on WED, 27.5.2004 (around 15:00) martin told me that it just makes sense if there is a PD workshop before that, so people know what's the story. we could make a whole PD-DAY, until around 18:00 we have no budget at all, but if somebody is interested to give a pd workshop there (not so much people, around 10, mostly with notebook, beamer available) it would be super. please contact me as fast as possible, since there is only PDP represented until now. +4369911972295 parasew(at)5uper(.)net thanks, matthias tarasiewicz ------------------------------------------------------------------------ CODED CULTURES | decoding digital culture * AUSSTELLUNG * SYMPOSION * WORKSHOPS * 16.05. - 30.05.2004 | Freiraum/ MuseumsQuartier Vienna ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ERÃFFNUNG: SO,16.5.2004 - 19h CODED CULTURES ist eine Initiative von 5uper.net - Verein zur FÃ¶rderung, Forschung, Entwicklung und Vernetzung von Medien, Kunst und Technologie. _CODED CULTURES entschlÃ¼sselt und vermittelt_ CODED CULTURES will in Form einer Ausstellung, eines Symposiums und in mehreren Workshops die Position einer dezidiert zeitgenÃ¶ssischen Kunstpraxis aufs Neue Ã¼berdenken. Das erfordert, am aktuellen Ausdifferenzierungsstand der Begriffs-, Dogmen- und Theoriekontexte anzusetzen: bspw. den Begriff "Welt" nicht als Abbild eines physischen Mediums zu begreifen, sondern als eine konstruktive konzeptionelle GrÃ¶Ãe; "Erleben" als dynamisch-zirkulÃ¤re Prozesse zwischen Kodieren und Dekodieren zu definieren; und die Wirkungskraft der "dominanten Kodes der Hegemonie" (Stuart Hall) im Auge zu behalten, die wesentlich die Wirklichkeitskonstruktionen und unseren Common-Sense dazu mitformieren. [SYMPOSIUM] ErgÃ¤nzend zur Ausstellung werden diverse Personen aus dem Kunst- und Subkulturbereich, sowohl mit diskurstheoretischen BeitrÃ¤gen als auch mit Erfahrungsberichten aus der ganz konkreten Praxis mit digitalen Werkzeugen, zur Vermittlung beitragen. Programmauszug: *PETER WEIBEL* F.E.RAKUSCHAN THOMAS FÃRSTNER MARGARETE JAHRMANN *KONRAD BECKER* MONOCHROM (JOHANNES GRENZFURTHNER) [AUSSTELLUNG] Aktuelle Kunst, Medien- und Konzeptkunst Ost- und Westeuropas werden im Freiraum/ MQ Wien zu sehen sein. (Kuratiert von 5uper.net in unterstÃ¼tzung von *Dunja Kukovec*/Slovenien) KÃ¼nstlerInnen (Auszug): CNTRCPY / AT MIHA CIGLAR / SLO 5VOLTCORE / AT UBERMORGEN.COM / AT M.TAKEO MAGRUDER / UK OLIVER HANGL / AT SONANCE.NET / AT LO-RES / AT SCOOPEX (DEMOSCENE) / AT MARGARETE JAHRMANN / AT TOXI / UK DANIEL KAUER / AT BORUT SAVSKI / SLO ANA HUSMAN / CRO SONDA / SLO ZIGA TESTEN / SLO YOMANGO / SWE IVAN GRUBANOV / CRO [WORKSHOPS] Innerhalb mehrerer Workshops, die verteilt Ã¼ber den gesamten Zeitraum von Coded Cultures stattfinden, werden die Werkzeuge und Methoden digitaler Kunst und innovativer Projekte vorgestellt. Das detaillierte Programm ist immer auf http://5uper.net bzw. http://5uper.net/codedcultures/ einzusehen. ======================================================================== BILDMATERIAL http://5uper.net/codedcultures/press/codedcultures-small.jpg http://5uper.net/codedcultures/press/codedcultures-big1.jpg http://5uper.net/codedcultures/press/codedcultures-big2.jpg http://5uper.net/codedcultures/press/5uperpeople.gif http://5uper.net/codedcultures/press/websiteshot-big.jpg FOTOCREDITS: 5uper.net ======================================================================== ------------------------------------------------------------------------ CODED CULTURES | decoding digital culture * EXHIBITION * SYMPOSIUM * WORKSHOPS * 16.05. - 30.05.2004 | Freiraum/ MuseumsQuartier Vienna ------------------------------------------------------------------------ *Coded Cultures is an open forum* Digital realities are coded. In this context Coded Cultures decodes and acts as an agent between the creator and receiver of information. The ways of origination and reality design of various artists and art groups shall be demonstrated on hand of workshops and an exhibition, whereas a new approach towards digital art in the 21.century will be acquired beyond its technical background. [EXHIBITION] Young medial art, media- art and conceptional art from eastern and western Europe of the last 20 years will be shown in the "Freiraum" in MuseumsQuartier Vienna, presented by the well known slovenian curator Dunja Kukovec. [SYMPOSIUM] Parallel to the exhibition there will be a complementary, theoretical as well as interactive line-up. It should help to decode and reflect upon the ways of origination and the perception of various artists and art groups, who either are or have been active in the aforementioned fields. [WORKSHOPS] Several workshops will take place during Coded Cultures. These will picture the tools and methods of digital art and progressvive projects. How does digital art define itself? Can one speak of the complete loss of the aura of digital media art in order of decentralisation in the creation and distribution of art in terms of Walter Benjamin? Is there a new aura being created? A step backwards cannot be considered, but how can the step forward look like? Where are the prospects of digital media art and what are the new approaches and discourses like, which absorb or are taken up by the artists? The production of art has massively changed because of digitalisation and the global network resulting in the decentralization of the locations of creative production. Inspite of- or because of- the elusive elements used by electronic media, many digital groups of people with same interests (digital subcultures, "Ãffentlichkeiten") evolved. Through the permanent creation of new (digital) groups of interest, many projects are formed which point out new ways of distribution and presentation of artistic content. The presentation of new trend- setting channels, as well as the demonstration of common aims of subcultures, which organize themselves by means of new media, are part of Coded Cultures. Since 20 years new forms and methods of publicising are shaped by these groups, which often have the same motivation. Aside massculture the image of the artist is not clearly defined. Many "digital artists" do not refer to themselves as such. Furthermore, the artistic work is coded on behalf of different cultural backgrounds, cultural connotations and (visual) symbolism. These codes will be pointed out and compared. The aim is to make the "art of the new media" apprehend- and experiencable. Apart from the technical approach, narrative elements, interaction and transparency are of importace to the viewer. The term of "digital art" will be discussed- the ways of creation, perception, aesthetics and norms will be reflected upon and decoded. Artists and the interested audience shall be brought together in the open forum Coded Cutures: the contemporary situation of digital forms of expression is to be illustrated, new ways and possibilities in these disciplines to be found and the discussion about digital art shall be stimulated. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ detailled schedule and programme at http://5uper.net

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Karl heinz essl
by brandt＠subnet.at 09 May '04

09 May '04

is anybody out there who is able to port the Essll composing library from max to pd? with deep respect Markus Brandt

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RE: [PD] More pdp blues
by Ian Smith-Heisters 08 May '04

08 May '04

Thanks so much! I'm really excited about using PDP/PiDiP, especially now without memory leaks ;). It has some incredible features. Best, Ian > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Re: [PD] More pdp blues > From: "Yves Degoyon" <ydegoyon(a)free.fr> > Date: Fri, May 07, 2004 7:54 pm > To: > Cc: "Ian Smith-Heisters" <heisters(a)0x09.com>, pd-list(a)iem.at > > > > > this fix also removes the effect of remanence you could see in the > > canvas : > > previous packets were still displayed > > although they should have disappeared from the system. > > now, this effect has gone and maybe you really wanted it. > > in that case, you have to simulate this by using pdp_reg objects. > > i made a new fix that keeps that remanence effect now, > so, forget that remark. > > cheers, > sevy > > > _______________________________________________ > PD-list mailing list > PD-list(a)iem.at > to manage your subscription (including un-subscription) see > http://iem.at/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pd-list

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xnetreceive
by Jorge Cardoso 08 May '04

08 May '04

Hi, I have made an external (xnetreceive - eXtended netreceive) that acts like netreceive with two new outlets: ip address and port number. It is based on the [netreceive] and [netserver] objects (and source code!). I have used this to exchange info between java applets and PD. [netreceive] doesn't output the ip address, and [netserver] only works for TCP connections and I needed both... The external is compiled for windows only (I don't have access to a Mac or Linux box). If anyone would care to (try) to compile it for other platforms I would be much appreciated. Bye, jc --- Jorge Cardoso <-> jorgecardoso(a)ieee.org Centro de Investigação em Ciência e Tecnologia das Artes (CITAR) Univ. Católica Portuguesa Centro Regional do Porto Rua Diogo Botelho 1327 4169 - 005 Porto Portugal Tel: 226196200 Ext: 133 "Whether you believe you can, or whether you believe you can't, you're absolutely right." - Henry Ford

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RE: [PD] More pdp blues
by Ian Smith-Heisters 08 May '04

08 May '04

Yves, Here's the patch and an abstraction for it, I added some comments to make it a bit clearer. At this point it displays 2 160x120 videos (one live, one captured from the live one) at any one of 9 places on the pdp_canvas (it's intended to have 8 recorded clips and 1 stream running). Use the [pd make001.mov] to capture a clip from the stream for the yqt player. Could the pdp_dumps be from having a slow hard drive? The main difference between this and the Gem replacement I've done for it, is that Gem is using buffers to store images, rather than the hard drive. Thanks for your help, Ian > From: "Yves Degoyon" <ydegoyon(a)free.fr> > Date: Wed, May 05, 2004 6:54 am > To: "Ian Smith-Heisters" <heisters(a)0x09.com> > Cc: pd-list(a)iem.at > > > > >For now I've switched to Gem, so I'm not in a hurry to figure this out > any longer. But PDP/PiDiP has features > >that are much more powerful for video (as opposed to 3D), so I would > like to figure this out. Running a webcam > >stream and a quicktime stream at the same time is something I'll > probably want to do in PDP a lot. > > > > > i'd like to figure that out too as i used to run > a pdp_yqt and a webcam on a quite modest machine > without pdp_dumps.. > > could you send your patch over to localize the problem? > > cheers, > sevy

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RE: [PD] how to [pack] anything?
by Matthew Allen 07 May '04

07 May '04

> -----Original Message----- > From: pd-list-admin(a)iem.at [mailto:pd-list-admin@iem.at] On Behalf Of > Roman Haefeli > Sent: Friday, May 07, 2004 12:49 PM > To: post pd-msg > Subject: [PD] how to [pack] anything? > > i'd like to create a list consisting of two elements, like you normally do > with [pack]. > my problem: > the elements can be floats OR symbols, but the the [pack]-object expects > only one type for each argument. > how can i "pack" anything together? [l2s] list2symbol in zexy. This will take as input whatever you want to throw at it and spit it our as a symbol then just use [pack s]. m. _________________________________________________ Scanned on 07 May 2004 20:33:01 Scanning by http://erado.com

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most stable processing?
by florian grassl 07 May '04

07 May '04

hello, first of all: i know this is a bad idea, but i'll have to process a couple of GEM geos AND audio at the same time on the same machiene. (amd duron 1.8Ghz, 512ram, pd 0.37-1, gem 0.88, winXPpro). amongst others, i have two synth patches running that produce a constant "soundscape" which seems to cause problems to pd's audio processing: "audio i/o stuck...closing audio" i have tried various buffersizes in mmio and asio specifications but can't get rid of the problem. this is the first time i have audio setting problems and couldn't figure out what (and how) to set blocksizes or fragsizes. do the blocksize and buffersize have to stand in some sort of logical relation? is there a method of automatically resetting the audio computation at a specified time? i am currently using r~ and s~ to send signals between patches. would using catch~ and throw~ be more accurate. finally, i would not mind a high latency at all! i only need to get the whole thing running as stable as possible. cheers for any suggestions! flo sough entertainment www.sough.tk ____________________________________________________________________ Der WEB.DE Virenschutz schuetzt Ihr Postfach vor dem Wurm Sober.A-F! Kostenfrei fuer FreeMail Nutzer. http://f.web.de/?mc=021158

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pd installation paper
by matthew shanley 07 May '04

07 May '04

i've posted a paper about an installation i did using pd. the installation was up two weeks ago in troy, ny. you can find the paper in pdf form at: http://littlesecretsrecords.com/writings/shanleyTepow.pdf hopefully i'll get some audio recordings and maybe some other documentation up before long. matt

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RE: [PD] xnetreceive
by Jorge Cardoso 07 May '04

07 May '04

I've put a zip file with the source, makefile and binaries for OSX, Linux and Windows at: http://pure-data.iem.at/Members/jorgecardoso/xnetreceive I adapted the makefile from maxlib and tested it on those platforms... Thank you all, jc --- Jorge Cardoso <-> jorgecardoso(a)ieee.org "Whether you believe you can, or whether you believe you can't, you're absolutely right." - Henry Ford >-----Original Message----- >From: pd-list-admin(a)iem.at [mailto:pd-list-admin@iem.at] On >Behalf Of Yves Degoyon >Sent: sexta-feira, 7 de Maio de 2004 15:33 >To: Pall Thayer >Cc: Martin Peach; pd-list(a)iem.at >Subject: Re: [PD] xnetreceive > > >hi, > >this is taken from pdp/pidip Makefile for OSX : > >g++ -o pdp.pd_darwin pidip-modules/*.o modules/*/*.o system/*/*.o >$(PDP_LIBS) -dynamic -bundle -undefined error >-multiply_defined suppress >-twolevel_namespace -bundle_loader $(PD_EXECUTABLE) > >i guess you can figure what to modify in this... > >suerte, >sevy > >Pall Thayer wrote: > >> Ok, ld doesn't recognize the -export_dynamic and -shared >flags on Mac >> OS X but at least I know what I'm looking for. >> >> palli >> >> Martin Peach wrote: >> >>> Pall Thayer wrote: >>> >>>> Not much of a programmer myself but I tried compiling this >on Mac OS >>>> X. After commenting out the ifdef Unix and all the win stuff, the >>>> only error I get is the following... what does this mean? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> >>>> pallis-Computer:/Applications/pd-0.37-1/src root# gcc >xnetreceive.c >>>> ld: Undefined symbols: >>>> _main >>>> _binbuf_eval >>>> _binbuf_free >>>> _binbuf_getnatom >>> >>> >>> ... >>> >>> Looks like ld (the linker) is looking for entry points in pd. >>> Probably because you need to build it as dynamic shared library as >>> opposed to a standalone program. In my makefile I have >>> ld -export_dynamic -shared ... >>> which I believe is what it takes to do this in linux, but I don't >>> know OSX enough to be sure that will work there as well. >>> >>> Martin >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> PD-list mailing list >>> PD-list(a)iem.at >>> to manage your subscription (including un-subscription) see >>> http://iem.at/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pd-list >>> >> > > >_______________________________________________ >PD-list mailing list >PD-list(a)iem.at >to manage your subscription (including un-subscription) see >http://iem.at/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pd-list >

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