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>~
by shreeswifty 12 Nov '02

12 Nov '02

where can i find >~ Pat Pagano, Director South East Just Intonation Society http://www.screwmusicforever.com/SHREESWIFT/ http://www.digitalworlds.ufl.edu

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bounds in arrays
by marius schebella 11 Nov '02

11 Nov '02

hi, this is a not so important thing, but took me some time of searching for the error: the reference-patch 16.morearrays has a help for "setting the bounds rectangle" which says ;array99 bounds 0 -2 10 2 but then the y-axis is flipped (-2 on the top). maybe this has changed for newer pd-versions? it should be ;array99 bounds 0 2 10 -2. sme.

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Re: [PD-announce] Pd 0.36 test 4 (already) -- bug fixes
by Adam Lindsay 10 Nov '02

10 Nov '02

I believe cgc said this around Sat, 9 Nov 2002: >i compiled 0.36 test for for OSX 10.2.1 with the following changes: > >add to Makefile INCLUDE: > >-I/Library/Frameworks/Tk.framework/Versions/8.4/PrivateHeaders huh. ./configure on my machine picked this one up automatically (test5), or in any case didn't much need it. >i commented out expr~ since it didn't have a darwin makefile: > >#cd ../extra/expr~;make pd_darwin I reconstructed the makefile from elsewhere (it's also fixed in CVS, IIRC). You should append the code at the end of the message to the existing extra/expr~/makefile. Additionally, change lines in vexpr.c and vexpr_if.c from: #ifndef MSP ... to ... #if !defined(MSP) && !defined(MACOSX) Seems to compile fine after that. >i also changed the OPT level to -03. Hmm, I wonder about that. Someone :) should do some profiling some time. Apple seems to recommend optimizing for code size rather than speed, in general. (I'm also curious about what could be gained by altivec optimizations...) >it runs but the audio on my g3/400 powerbook clicks and drops out >when moving windows or adjusting number boxes. renice -20 does help, >but doesn't completely eliminate the problem. i'm wondering if maybe >portaudio needs some tweaking? Let's see, you mentioned you're on Jaguar. Moving windows is probably going to continue to be a problem for those of us without Quartz Extreme. Changing number boxes (and just about anything on the TK-GUI level) are in my observation more of a problem in 10.2 than 10.1 because of the patch the MacOSX/Tcl-Tk people made to fix an update bug. In order to fix screen updates, they have made TkAqua more "interrupt-y". :| Hope that's of some use to someone. Best, adam This should be appended to extra/expr~/makefile: pd_darwin: expr.pd_darwin expr~.pd_darwin fexpr~.pd_darwin MACOSXOBJ = vexp.pd_darwin_o vexp_fun.pd_darwin_o vexp_if.pd_darwin_o .SUFFIXES: .pd_darwin_o MACOSXCFLAGS = -DMACOSX -DPD -O2 -Wall -W -Wshadow -Wstrict-prototypes \ -Wno-unused -Wno-parentheses -Wno-switch MACOSXINCLUDE = -I../../src .c.pd_darwin_o: cc -g $(MACOSXCFLAGS) $(MACOSXINCLUDE) -o $*.pd_darwin_o -c $*.c expr.pd_darwin: $(MACOSXOBJ) cc -bundle -undefined suppress -flat_namespace \ -o expr.pd_darwin $(MACOSXOBJ) -lm rm -f ../expr.pd_darwin ln -s expr~/expr.pd_darwin .. expr~.pd_darwin: expr.pd_darwin ln -s expr.pd_darwin expr~.pd_darwin rm -f ../expr~.pd_darwin ln -s expr~/expr~.pd_darwin .. fexpr~.pd_darwin: expr.pd_darwin ln -s expr.pd_darwin fexpr~.pd_darwin rm -f ../fexpr~.pd_darwin ln -s expr~/fexpr~.pd_darwin .. install_darwin: install expr.pd_darwin $(PDEXTERN) rm -f $(PDEXTERN)/expr~.pd_darwin rm -f $(PDEXTERN)/fexpr~.pd_darwin cd $(PDEXTERN); \ ln -s expr.pd_darwin expr~.pd_darwin; \ ln -s expr.pd_darwin fexpr~.pd_darwin darwin_clean: rm -f *.pd_darwin_o *.o -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Adam Lindsay +44(0)1524 594 537 atl(a)comp.lancs.ac.uk http://www.comp.lancs.ac.uk/computing/users/atl/ -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

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pd as a vst instrument plugin
by Mark Khemma 10 Nov '02

10 Nov '02

Hello, pd'ers I was just wondering if it is feasible to have pd act as a vst instrument, much like the way reaktor works within environments such as sonar, calkwalk, logic audio platinum. maybe mark junklight may have some insight into this area. I'm curious if it would be possible or if there would be any/many complications considering that the gui portion uses tcl/tk (is it both or one of them?). personally i don't even have the skills to import the makefile of pd into a VC++ workspace and compile, so I'm not the best person to get the project jump started. All i know is that vst plugins are simply .dll's (placed into a vstplugin folder) in addition to extra files which are configuration files (in our case simply .pd files) . I'd be so happy if i could use pd within my logic audio program. just curious, Mark .k

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problems with Pd and edirol usb
by David Sabine 10 Nov '02

10 Nov '02

Hello Nick, I bought an Edirol UA-5 a few months ago and eventually returned it to the retailer (i took of that 30-day money back gaurantee because ultimately it wasn't the right product for my needs). Here's a breakdown of my experience with the interface: 1. If I started PD with the -noresync flag, I could eliminate SOME of the clicking noises. 2. I was never terribly successful using PD with ASIO with the Edirol interface. the UA-5 could only support ASIO drivers on either the input OR the output. So, If I stared PD with the -asio flag, then I had to also use either -nodac or -noadc. That was a real drag. (I don't know if the UA-1A supports simoultaneous INput and OUTput with the ASIO drivers.??) 3. Ultimately, I returned the product and bought a MOTU 2408mkII. It's about 2.5 times the price of the edirol unit..but I can use 24 input and output simoultaneously with ASIO --but on the downside, it doesn't have a mic pre-amp like the UA-5 had. I don't know if this helps you at all and I understand that you're using the UA-1A which is different than the UA-5..but I thought I'd share my experience anyway. Regards, Dave S

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Re: [PD] pd as a vst instrument plugin, now also looking or vst1.0.zip
by tom＠nullpointer.co.uk 09 Nov '02

09 Nov '02

Hi, This PD in VST is an age old problem, tackled by quite a few .. I hate to say it but its not gonna be easy!!! For starters, until a finished version of PD is produced (and thats not really the point at the moment i think) Any VST implementation will become rapidly out of sync with the current PD release, unless of course you aim to recompile alongside any updates. I would also suggest that to begin with you use a gui-less version of pd for your vst, in this way you can avoid the whole TCL issue. The VST version would have to map ADC and DAC to the appropriate vst out++ in++ and would also need to support some new object in the form of vst controller inputs (0 to 1.0). Then perhaps patches could be developed in pd running standalone and then loaded into the vst pd object on creation by the vst host. Of course pd would need to be running as a slave to the host sample-rate and you may need to synchronise buffer(chunk) sizes somehow. Pluggo does all this kind of stuff for MAX so maybe its worth looking at. Another option is to try using virtual internal audio cabling (like JACK) and pipe the audio/midi out of virtual ports in the sequencer, into pd and then back into the sequencer, but you'd end up juggling alot of programs and processes (ive done this before but its not too comfortable)...As mark says VST programming is very simple and you might find that after modelling an effect in PD you can code it up easily in vst.. If anybody does get PD working in this context i'd love to know... Tom p.s. haven't checked I think you can get the old vstsdk on steinbergs site somewhere.. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Khemma" <mkhemma(a)orion.it.luc.edu> To: "mark" <mark(a)junklight.com> Cc: "'stefan geissler'" <stefan.geissler(a)univie.ac.at>; "'Joseph A. Sarlo'" <jsarlo(a)ucsd.edu>; "'PD List'" <pd-list(a)iem.kug.ac.at> Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 11:29 PM Subject: RE: [PD] pd as a vst instrument plugin, now also looking or vst1.0.zip > Vroom! right over my head :), but that's ok, i'm starting to learn > sound programming little by little, but right now, my problem is that > steinberg has moved up to v2.0-2.2 and the example dll's which i > compiled won't work with my logic audio becaue the version i have will > only (i think) work with vst v1.0 so if anybody has the vstsdk1.0.zip > laying around that they could send me i would greatly appreciate it. Just > out of curiousity what applications are currently compatible with > vst2.0/2.2? i think logic 5 is but i don't have that, yet. if there are > freewarez audio apps that can use vst 2.0/2.2 then i can at least start > playin around with the examplevst.dll's-compile-run.in.soundapp, anybody > know of any pc apps? > cheerio's, > Mark .k > > On Wed, 6 Nov 2002, mark wrote: > > > PD as a VST should be fairly easy audiowise. > > > > The VST framework expects to do a call and get a chunk of audio. > > So what you need to do is remove portaudio and replace it with > > a harness that slots into VST. The port audio code isn't the easiest > > to follow but ocne you get your head round it it should be straigt > > forward. > > > > GUI wise you might have a little more difficulty - the VST Host will > > provide > > you with the handle to a windows window (HWND). Ideally you just want > > to make this the parent window of the TK windows. I have no idea how > > hard this is or even if you can make TK use this window for its own > > display. > > > > VST is very easy (assuming you have an instrument/effect of course :-) > > ). The > > example code in the sdk is probably all you need once you have the > > window thing > > sussed. > > > > cheers > > > > mark > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: pd-list-admin(a)iem.kug.ac.at [mailto:pd-list-admin@iem.kug.ac.at] > > On Behalf Of stefan geissler > > Sent: 06 November 2002 14:46 > > To: Mark Khemma > > Cc: Joseph A. Sarlo; PD List > > Subject: Re: [PD] pd as a vst instrument plugin > > > > > > I have also no programming skills and I am very interested in getting pd > > > > to work in a vstenviroment, too. preferably > > in a similar manner as reaktor can be controlled from a vsthost. as far > > as I understood the whole thing isnot so trivial > > (the vstside, the pdside, the gui) and if there is enough interest I > > think that efforts in that direction should be coordinated. there were > > several postings about this concern over the recent years, > > but it seems that nothing ever really happned. > > what came next to use pd "inside" a vsthost was pdauto > > <http://mamalala.de/xovo/pdauto.html> with sending parameters over the > > tcpport, but this method causes > > a too high latency and the gui is visible just in some vsthosts i.e. > > just testing the whole thing and getting it to work on more than one > > host seems to be a kind of challenge. > > > > Mark Khemma wrote: > > > > >How are going about compiling it? are you using cygwin environment, or > > >VC++ IDE, etc? I'd like to know more of what you are doing. Where does > > >gripd come into it? etc. etc. If there is anyway in which i can help.. > > >. my yearn to program skillfully exceeds my abilities so if you could > > >just help me set up an environment to compile dll's on windows, what > > >files are needed, files modified, etc (if you know how to) then pass > > >the word :) i'd like to see pd in my logic plugins :) cheerios, > > >mark .k > > > > > >On Tue, 5 Nov 2002, Joseph A. Sarlo wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > >>I actually just started working on this. My first step is to have PD > > >>as a VST effect plugin (not instrument), where the PD patch is opened > > >>in some kind of PD-VST shell (probably using GrIPD for the effect's > > >>GUI), but eventually I think it would be good to support the VST > > >>instrument architecture. No promises on when it will be ready, though! > > >> > > >>Joe > > >>jsarlo(a)ucsd.edu > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >>>I was just wondering if it is feasible to have pd act as a vst > > >>>instrument, much like the way reaktor works within environments such > > >>>as sonar, calkwalk, logic audio platinum. maybe mark junklight may > > >>>have some insight into this area. I'm curious if it would be > > >>>possible or if there would be any/many complications considering that > > > > >>>the gui portion uses tcl/tk (is it both or one of them?). personally > > >>>i don't even have the skills to import the makefile of pd into a VC++ > > > > >>>workspace and compile, so I'm not the best person to get the project > > >>>jump started. All i know is that vst plugins are simply .dll's > > >>>(placed into a vstplugin > > >>>folder) in addition to extra files which are configuration files (in > > our > > >>>case simply .pd files) . I'd be so happy if i could use pd within my > > >>>logic audio program. > > >>>just curious, > > >>> Mark .k > > >>> > > >>> > > >>>_______________________________________________ > > >>>PD-list mailing list > > >>>PD-list(a)iem.kug.ac.at > > >>>http://iem.kug.ac.at/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pd-list > > >>> > > >>> > > >>_______________________________________________ > > >>PD-list mailing list > > >>PD-list(a)iem.kug.ac.at > > >>http://iem.kug.ac.at/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pd-list > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > > >PD-list mailing list > > >PD-list(a)iem.kug.ac.at > > >http://iem.kug.ac.at/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pd-list > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Stefan Geissler > > > > Department of Statistics and > > Decision Support Systems (ISDS) > > University of Vienna > > Universitaetsstrasse 5 > > A-1010 Wien-Vienna, Austria > > > > Tel. +43 1 42 77 386 36 > > Fax. +43 1 42 77 386 39 > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > PD-list mailing list > > PD-list(a)iem.kug.ac.at > > http://iem.kug.ac.at/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pd-list > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > PD-list mailing list > > PD-list(a)iem.kug.ac.at > > http://iem.kug.ac.at/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pd-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PD-list mailing list > PD-list(a)iem.kug.ac.at > http://iem.kug.ac.at/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pd-list

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ctlin/out weirdness
by David McCallum 09 Nov '02

09 Nov '02

I'm creating a MIDI feedback loop and I can't figure out why. I have a slider that is sending and listening to channel 1 from my MIDI interface. So that I can move the slider on the PC and have it tell my controller that the slider's moved, or move the controller so that affects the slider in Pd. (I don't have the controller plugged in at the moment, either!) Whenever I move the slider I get a loop going. I can think of maybe two reasons why this is happening, neither of which seem in the least bit plausible. 1) ctlin without parameters will show *all* MIDI activity. I didn't think this was true, I thought it would only show MIDI data going *in* to Pd, not in to any MIDI port. And I'm not sending CC info to any internal MIDI connections (hubi's, midiyoke). And besides, the [ctlin] says that the data definitely is coming from my MIDI interface (or at least that channel number). 2) My MIDI interface automatically loops all MIDI data sent to its Out port back through it's In port... but I can't see that happening either. This would create huge problems everywhere. I'm missing something and I don't know what, help! David . . David McCallum . Music wants to be free . http://mentalfloss.ca/sintheta/ .

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Re: [PD-dev] Re: [PD-announce] Pd 0.36 test 3 released -- source or windows-compiled
by tom＠nullpointer.co.uk 09 Nov '02

09 Nov '02

Hi.. pd0.36 test 3 (binary) worx fine on my 2.2ghz p4 system running win2k so far haven't tried anything fancy like asio or trying to break it with stuff.. audio fine.. why the cable select delete thing?.. just to stop spaggetti delete traumas i spose... Undo is nice... Tom ----- Original Message ----- From: "Krzysztof Czaja" <czaja(a)chopin.edu.pl> To: <msp(a)ucsd.edu> Cc: "pd-dev" <pd-dev(a)iem.kug.ac.at> Sent: Friday, November 08, 2002 10:06 PM Subject: [PD-dev] Re: [PD-announce] Pd 0.36 test 3 released -- source or windows-compiled > hi again, > > 1. enabling undo-paste has made undo-cut deadly: > > g_editor.c > @@ -488,7 +488,7 @@ > if (action == UNDO_UNDO) > { > if (mode == UCUT_CUT) > - > canvas_paste(x); > ?+ > canvas_dopaste(x, copy_binbuf); > > 2. (for those running Pd without 'make install') it would be nice > if the plain make has put expr family symlinks (back) in the > 'extra' directory. > > Krzysztof > > > _______________________________________________ > PD-dev mailing list > PD-dev(a)iem.kug.ac.at > http://iem.kug.ac.at/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pd-dev

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Re: [PD-announce] Pd 0.36 test 4 (already) -- bug fixes
by marius schebella 09 Nov '02

09 Nov '02

i receive an error when pd starts saying "der prozedureinsprungspunkt "iemgui_list" wurde in der DLL "pd.dll" nicht gefunden." iÅ½m loading iemlib1, iem_t3_lib iemlib2, iemgui. marius.

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Re: [PD-announce] Pd 0.36 test 3 released -- source or windows-compiled
by Marc Lavallée 08 Nov '02

08 Nov '02

I still have to use pd version 0.34, both on my P4 portable and my Athlon desktop. Version 0.35 and up are not working: only the main window shows at startup, and I have to kill pd because no menu items are responding. :-( -- Marc Le ven 08/11/2002 à 14:28, Miller Puckette a écrit : > Hi all, > > Pd 0.36 test 3 is available in source form or compiled for Windows. > > I've fixed several problems in 0.36 test 2 -- most notably, I finally > fixed the CPU-time bizarreness when running on P4s, at least so that > it works well under Linux. It should be fixed for Windows as well, > but I haven't managed to get to a machine to test this on yet.

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