Pd-list November 2002

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RE: [PD] Netsend Jitter Elimination
by MLN Kazem, Aerospace Engineering 08 Nov '02

08 Nov '02

Hi kurt, thanks for that, but if I were to go down the route of using communication protocols I would probably try to use tcp/ip (or udp?) as I think(?) it is in some way built into pd in order to communicate with the gui (not at all sure about this)- but I would presume this involves effectively writing a stand alone version of netsend/ receive. Have copied to list, as always, I am confused but interested. thanks again Mandy On Wed, 6 Nov 2002 14:40:03 +0100 kurt stockman <kurt.stockman(a)pandora.be> wrote: > hi mandy, > > I'm not a programmer but as i understand it OSC is 'simply' a network > protocol so if you can code C++ you should be able to write an application > that can communicate with other applications/devices using OSC. > > osc homepage >> http://cnmat.cnmat.berkeley.edu/OSC/ > > with OSC I can make my pd patches communicate with a variety of other > computers/applications/people while performing. I've used it to 'talk' with > flash, eyesweb and Max.... > > hopes this helps > > kurt > > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: M.Kazem(a)bristol.ac.uk [mailto:M.Kazem@bristol.ac.uk] > Verzonden: woensdag 6 november 2002 14:28 > Aan: kurt stockman > Onderwerp: RE: [PD] Netsend Jitter Elimination > > > Kurt > > can osc allow you to send data from a C++ application to a pd > application? (only just heard of osc) > thanks > Mandy > > On Wed, 6 Nov 2002 12:29:32 +0100 kurt stockman > <kurt.stockman(a)pandora.be> wrote: > > > have you tried OSC? > > > > >>http://barely.a.live.fm/pd/OSC/ > > > > kurt > > > > _______________________________________________ > > PD-list mailing list > > PD-list(a)iem.kug.ac.at > > http://iem.kug.ac.at/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pd-list > > > > ---------------------- > MLN Kazem, Aerospace Engineering > M.Kazem(a)bristol.ac.uk > Tel. 0117 9288219 > Fax. 0117 9272771 > > ---------------------- MLN Kazem, Aerospace Engineering M.Kazem(a)bristol.ac.uk Tel. 0117 9288219 Fax. 0117 9272771

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i-cube to pd
by Katerina Tzedaki 08 Nov '02

08 Nov '02

Dear subscribers of pd list Has anyone of you successfully connect the i-cubex digitizer with pd? I have some experience with Max/Msp icube object but not with icube connected to a PC running either Win98 or Linux. Any good advice? thank you Katerina Tzedaki composer

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pd-watchdog
by Ben Saylor 08 Nov '02

08 Nov '02

I sometimes encounter situations where Pd (0.35/Linux) spontaneusly starts eating all available CPU, and I have to wait until I can get a keystroke in edgewise to kill it. While this is going on, watchdog: signaling pd... is printed repeatedly in the terminal, but apparently this watchdog is unsuccessful. Is it supposed to turn off DSP or something? Ben

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Your presence is requested underground.
by Hans-Christoph Steiner 08 Nov '02

08 Nov '02

I am doing a pd-based sound installation in this tunnel event. I'll post all about it after the event. ....................................................................................$ ARS SUBTERRANEA presents An Exhibit on Underground New York Sunday, November 10, 12-4 PM Atlantic Avenue Tunnel http://www.creativepreservation.org/event.htm ....................................................................................$ This is a public event. Reservations not required. I recommend you get there by 2 PM to catch the performance at 3 PM

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Re: [PD] pix_write+sound
by e.pkelly 07 Nov '02

07 Nov '02

Whoops! I forgot to reciprocate the time vector! the correct formula for starting with a framerate/blocksize combination is: sr = 1/(1/fps)/blocksize But here is a PD patch which should tell you all your settings for synchronising audio with dv-pal or any other frames-based system. Bon appetit, Ed Kelly BSUC

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some hardware you mobile guys/gals might be interested in
by Mark Khemma 07 Nov '02

07 Nov '02

A long time i ago i wanted to find some way to make use of my pci soundcard with y laptop, but i couldn't find one, but now i have just across just that and more, it has 2 pci slots and one ide slot for a harddrive and then you connect it via firewired to you laptop. check it out: http://www.magma.com/pci/fwdkit/ if anyone gets one, i'd like a review of it if at all possible. If i added this to my collection i could expand to have 16 channels i/o plus a 60 gig hd for my laptop set up. whoa. works with windows 98SE, Me, nt, 4.0, 2000, xp and Mac OS 9.x ciao -mark .k

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RE: [PD] pd as a vst instrument plugin
by mark 07 Nov '02

07 Nov '02

PD as a VST should be fairly easy audiowise. The VST framework expects to do a call and get a chunk of audio. So what you need to do is remove portaudio and replace it with a harness that slots into VST. The port audio code isn't the easiest to follow but ocne you get your head round it it should be straigt forward. GUI wise you might have a little more difficulty - the VST Host will provide you with the handle to a windows window (HWND). Ideally you just want to make this the parent window of the TK windows. I have no idea how hard this is or even if you can make TK use this window for its own display. VST is very easy (assuming you have an instrument/effect of course :-) ). The example code in the sdk is probably all you need once you have the window thing sussed. cheers mark -----Original Message----- From: pd-list-admin(a)iem.kug.ac.at [mailto:pd-list-admin@iem.kug.ac.at] On Behalf Of stefan geissler Sent: 06 November 2002 14:46 To: Mark Khemma Cc: Joseph A. Sarlo; PD List Subject: Re: [PD] pd as a vst instrument plugin I have also no programming skills and I am very interested in getting pd to work in a vstenviroment, too. preferably in a similar manner as reaktor can be controlled from a vsthost. as far as I understood the whole thing isnot so trivial (the vstside, the pdside, the gui) and if there is enough interest I think that efforts in that direction should be coordinated. there were several postings about this concern over the recent years, but it seems that nothing ever really happned. what came next to use pd "inside" a vsthost was pdauto <http://mamalala.de/xovo/pdauto.html> with sending parameters over the tcpport, but this method causes a too high latency and the gui is visible just in some vsthosts i.e. just testing the whole thing and getting it to work on more than one host seems to be a kind of challenge. Mark Khemma wrote: >How are going about compiling it? are you using cygwin environment, or >VC++ IDE, etc? I'd like to know more of what you are doing. Where does >gripd come into it? etc. etc. If there is anyway in which i can help.. >. my yearn to program skillfully exceeds my abilities so if you could >just help me set up an environment to compile dll's on windows, what >files are needed, files modified, etc (if you know how to) then pass >the word :) i'd like to see pd in my logic plugins :) cheerios, >mark .k > >On Tue, 5 Nov 2002, Joseph A. Sarlo wrote: > > > >>I actually just started working on this. My first step is to have PD >>as a VST effect plugin (not instrument), where the PD patch is opened >>in some kind of PD-VST shell (probably using GrIPD for the effect's >>GUI), but eventually I think it would be good to support the VST >>instrument architecture. No promises on when it will be ready, though! >> >>Joe >>jsarlo(a)ucsd.edu >> >> >> >>>I was just wondering if it is feasible to have pd act as a vst >>>instrument, much like the way reaktor works within environments such >>>as sonar, calkwalk, logic audio platinum. maybe mark junklight may >>>have some insight into this area. I'm curious if it would be >>>possible or if there would be any/many complications considering that >>>the gui portion uses tcl/tk (is it both or one of them?). personally >>>i don't even have the skills to import the makefile of pd into a VC++ >>>workspace and compile, so I'm not the best person to get the project >>>jump started. All i know is that vst plugins are simply .dll's >>>(placed into a vstplugin >>>folder) in addition to extra files which are configuration files (in our >>>case simply .pd files) . I'd be so happy if i could use pd within my >>>logic audio program. >>>just curious, >>> Mark .k >>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>PD-list mailing list >>>PD-list(a)iem.kug.ac.at >>>http://iem.kug.ac.at/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pd-list >>> >>> >>_______________________________________________ >>PD-list mailing list >>PD-list(a)iem.kug.ac.at >>http://iem.kug.ac.at/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pd-list >> >> >> > > >_______________________________________________ >PD-list mailing list >PD-list(a)iem.kug.ac.at >http://iem.kug.ac.at/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pd-list > > -- Stefan Geissler Department of Statistics and Decision Support Systems (ISDS) University of Vienna Universitaetsstrasse 5 A-1010 Wien-Vienna, Austria Tel. +43 1 42 77 386 36 Fax. +43 1 42 77 386 39 _______________________________________________ PD-list mailing list PD-list(a)iem.kug.ac.at http://iem.kug.ac.at/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pd-list

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Netsend Jitter Elimination
by Steven Kruyswijk 06 Nov '02

06 Nov '02

Hi all, This is my first post to the list; I'm a student Audio Design from Holland currently busy together with two co-students, developing a network-synchronized musical collaboration application for blind highschool students and their laptops (geez, that's a mouthful!) We've been experimenting with sending a synchronisation signal thru netsend/netreceive (both using TCP/IP and UDP), but sofar the sync jitter is unacceptible, in the 50+ msec region. We're using Windows 98SE machines. Has anyone tried to reliably synchronize stuff thru netsend? Are there maybe any Windows-native network settings that could help to minimize jitter? Any suggestions are greatly appreciated. Thanks a bunch in advance, Steven Kruyswijk

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GEM window resize
by wwcarpen 06 Nov '02

06 Nov '02

Hello, Maybe some of you remember i was setting off to work on a cellular automata patch a little while ago. Well, it's all done and i can't wait to show it to everybody, however it would be much more presentable if i knew how to set GEM's window size from PD rather than manually. Looking through the archieves i saw something mentioned about sending a "resize" message to gemwin, but when i try i get the typical 'no method for resize' kind of message in the console. Maybe i'm missing something really obvious here. Any idea's? thanks.

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gem compilation problem
by Cyrille Henry 06 Nov '02

06 Nov '02

Hello, I'm triing to compil Gem on Mandrake 8.2 linux with PD 35.0 I think I have installed all needed lib. but I still have a compilation error. What can I do? what's the way to compile it? thank's cheers Cyrille henry P.S : here is the compilation log : [root@schaeffer Gnu]# ./makeauxlibs ./makeauxlibs: test: =: unary operator expected Building Auxilliary Libraries ============================= BUILDING LIBORB ./makeauxlibs: cd: ../../../GemLibs/liborb: Aucun fichier ou répertoire de ce type for d in ../Manips ../Particles ../Base ../MarkEx ../Pixes ../Controls ../Nongeos ../Geos ../tv; do \ echo ""\ echo "----------$d----------"; \ cd $d && make || exit -1; \ done echo ----------../Manips---------- make[1]: Entre dans le répertoire `/home/pd/pds/gem-0.87/src/Manips' make[1]: Rien à faire pour `all'. make[1]: Quitte le répertoire `/home/pd/pds/gem-0.87/src/Manips' echo ----------../Particles---------- make[1]: Entre dans le répertoire `/home/pd/pds/gem-0.87/src/Particles' c++ -c -g -fPIC -I../ -I/usr/include/glib-1.2 -I/usr/lib/glib/include -I/u sr/include/gltt -I../../../gem-0.84/src/AuxLibs/particle -I../../../gem-0.84 /src/AuxLibs/liborb -I../../../GemLibs/glm -I/usr/local/include -I.. part_color.cpp -o part_color.o In file included from part_color.h:18, from part_color.cpp:15: ../Base/GemBase.h:27:8: warning: extra tokens at end of #endif directive part_color.cpp:17:18: papi.h: Aucun fichier ou répertoire de ce type make[1]: *** [part_color.o] Erreur 1 make[1]: Quitte le répertoire `/home/pd/pds/gem-0.87/src/Particles' make: *** [subdirs] Erreur 255 BUILDING PARTICLE ./makeauxlibs: cd: ../../../GemLibs/particle: Aucun fichier ou répertoire de ce type make: Makefile.linux: Aucun fichier ou répertoire de ce type make: *** Pas de règle pour fabriquer la cible `Makefile.linux'. Arrêt. BUILDING GLM ./makeauxlibs: cd: ../../../GemLibs/glm: Aucun fichier ou répertoire de ce type for d in ../Manips ../Particles ../Base ../MarkEx ../Pixes ../Controls ../Nongeos ../Geos ../tv; do \ echo ""\ echo "----------$d----------"; \ cd $d && make || exit -1; \ done echo ----------../Manips---------- make[1]: Entre dans le répertoire `/home/pd/pds/gem-0.87/src/Manips' make[1]: Rien à faire pour `all'. make[1]: Quitte le répertoire `/home/pd/pds/gem-0.87/src/Manips' echo ----------../Particles---------- make[1]: Entre dans le répertoire `/home/pd/pds/gem-0.87/src/Particles' c++ -c -g -fPIC -I../ -I/usr/include/glib-1.2 -I/usr/lib/glib/include -I/u sr/include/gltt -I../../../gem-0.84/src/AuxLibs/particle -I../../../gem-0.84 /src/AuxLibs/liborb -I../../../GemLibs/glm -I/usr/local/include -I.. part_color.cpp -o part_color.o In file included from part_color.h:18, from part_color.cpp:15: ../Base/GemBase.h:27:8: warning: extra tokens at end of #endif directive part_color.cpp:17:18: papi.h: Aucun fichier ou répertoire de ce type make[1]: *** [part_color.o] Erreur 1 make[1]: Quitte le répertoire `/home/pd/pds/gem-0.87/src/Particles' make: *** [subdirs] Erreur 255 Finished building Auxilliary Libraries ====================================== [root@schaeffer Gnu]# ./configure ./configure: : command not found ./configure: : command not found loading cache ./config.cache Sources for ../Manips Sources for ../Particles Sources for ../Base Sources for ../MarkEx Sources for ../Pixes Sources for ../Controls Sources for ../Nongeos Sources for ../Geos Sources for ../tv checking host system type... i686-pc-linux-gnu Configuring for Gem.pd_linux checking for gnu make... yes checking for c++... (cached) c++ checking whether the C++ compiler (c++ ) works... yes checking whether the C++ compiler (c++ ) is a cross-compiler... no checking whether we are using GNU C++... (cached) yes checking whether c++ accepts -g... (cached) yes checking for gcc... (cached) gcc checking whether the C compiler (gcc ) works... yes checking whether the C compiler (gcc ) is a cross-compiler... no checking whether we are using GNU C... (cached) yes checking whether gcc accepts -g... (cached) yes checking for a BSD compatible install... (cached) /usr/bin/install -c checking whether make sets ${MAKE}... (cached) yes checking for sh... (cached) sh checking how to run the C preprocessor... (cached) gcc -E checking for X... (cached) libraries /usr/X11R6/lib, headers /usr/X11R6/include checking for dnet_ntoa in -ldnet... (cached) no checking for dnet_ntoa in -ldnet_stub... (cached) no checking for gethostbyname... (cached) yes checking for connect... (cached) yes checking for remove... (cached) yes checking for shmat... (cached) yes checking for IceConnectionNumber in -lICE... (cached) yes checking for main in -lX11... (cached) yes checking for main in -lXext... (cached) yes checking for XF86VidModeGetAllModeLines in -lXxf86vm... (cached) yes checking for sin in -lm... (cached) yes checking for glInitNames in -lGL... (cached) yes checking for gluLookAt in -lGLU... (cached) yes checking for glutSolidTeapot in -lglut... (cached) yes checking for quicktime_open in -lquicktime... (cached) yes checking for png_set_compression_level in -lpng... (cached) yes checking for main in -lglib... (cached) yes checking for OpenMPEG in -lmpeg... (cached) yes checking for mpeg3_open in -lmpeg3... (cached) yes checking for main in -lglm... (cached) no checking alternate -lglm in ../../../ ... (cached) ../../../GemLibs/glm configure: warning: Trying to use glm library in ../../../GemLibs/glm checking for main in -ltiff... (cached) yes checking for main in -ljpeg... (cached) yes checking for main in -lttf... (cached) yes checking for main in -lgltt... (cached) yes checking for main in -lorb... (cached) no checking alternate -lorb in ../../../ ... (cached) ../../../gem-0.84/src/AuxLibs/liborb configure: warning: Trying to use orb library in ../../../gem-0.84/src/AuxLibs/liborb checking for main in -lparticle... (cached) no checking alternate -lparticle in ../../../ ... (cached) ../../../gem-0.84/src/AuxLibs/particle configure: warning: Trying to use particle library in ../../../gem-0.84/src/AuxLibs/particle checking for main in -lvl... (cached) no checking for main in -lz... (cached) yes checking for m_pd.h path... /usr/local/include checking for glm.h path... dirname: too few arguments Try `dirname --help' for more information. configure: error: can't find path to glm.h [root@schaeffer Gnu]#

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