i'm sorry i have really no idea about how to go about doing stuff on the internet, or otherwise i'd try to set something up by myself, but we REALLY need a place where any pd users can upload their works.
i know there is a wiki thing on the iiem site. but barely anyone uses it. i think the main reason being that it's a bit of a headache for simple people such as myself.
so i just thought i'd open the doors for some discussion of this topic.
what are your ideas?
i think we really just need something where people can upload a patch or zip file with one click, and then write a description of it.
hard off wrote:
i'm sorry i have really no idea about how to go about doing stuff on the internet, or otherwise i'd try to set something up by myself, but we REALLY need a place where any pd users can upload their works.
i know there is a wiki thing on the iiem site. but barely anyone uses it. i think the main reason being that it's a bit of a headache for simple people such as myself.
hmm, being an advocate of the puredata.info site hosted by iem, i wanted to ask why you think uploading files is too hard.
so i just thought i'd open the doors for some discussion of this topic.
what are your ideas?
i think we really just need something where people can upload a patch or zip file with one click, and then write a description of it.
so the steps currently required are:
- click on "add file" (1.5 clicks)
- browse to the file you want to upload (at least 2 clicks)
- write a dscription of it
this makes at 3.5 clicks compared to 1 click (but i guess the "1 click" was not to be meant literally).
i cannot really think of something more simple.
in practice things are a bit more complicated: you have to know where you can click for "add file"; and the list of items you could add might be longer than what you really want to see.
mfga.dr IOhannes
IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote:
so the steps currently required are:
- click on "add file" (1.5 clicks)
- browse to the file you want to upload (at least 2 clicks)
- write a dscription of it
this makes at 3.5 clicks compared to 1 click (but i guess the "1 click" was not to be meant literally).
i cannot really think of something more simple.
I can. How about:
- click on easy-to-locate "add file" button (1 click)
- write description in a field and click "upload file" button to send
both on their way (1 click)
??
best, d.
Hallo, derek holzer hat gesagt: // derek holzer wrote:
IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote:
so the steps currently required are:
- click on "add file" (1.5 clicks)
- browse to the file you want to upload (at least 2 clicks)
- write a dscription of it
this makes at 3.5 clicks compared to 1 click (but i guess the "1 click" was not to be meant literally).
i cannot really think of something more simple.
I can. How about:
- click on easy-to-locate "add file" button (1 click)
- write description in a field and click "upload file" button to send
both on their way (1 click)
You cheated by omitting the two clicks used to select the file on your disk.
Ciao
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You cheated by omitting the two clicks used to select the file on your disk.
Can it be done using a text mode browser using keyboard strokes instead of mouse clicks? Seems faster to me, mouse clicks are so boring...
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derek holzer wrote:
IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote:
so the steps currently required are:
- click on "add file" (1.5 clicks)
- browse to the file you want to upload (at least 2 clicks)
- write a dscription of it
this makes at 3.5 clicks compared to 1 click (but i guess the "1 click" was not to be meant literally).
i cannot really think of something more simple.
I can. How about:
- click on easy-to-locate "add file" button (1 click)
- write description in a field and click "upload file" button to send
both on their way (1 click)
??
oh, i was calculating "at least 2" clicks for uploading the file for: 1 click to pop up a file-browser 0-n clicks to navigate to the correct folder 1 click to choose the file
this makes at least 2 clicks in the file-selection which you cannot get around.
which makes the score 3 : 3.5 i guess this is pretty near to the ideal (but could of course be improved).
so i still do not see clearly what is wrong.
mfga.sdr IOhannes
PS: there is a separate mailinglist pdweb@ dedicated to talk about the website.
IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote:
oh, i was calculating "at least 2" clicks for uploading the file for: 1 click to pop up a file-browser 0-n clicks to navigate to the correct folder 1 click to choose the file
this makes at least 2 clicks in the file-selection which you cannot get around.
which makes the score 3 : 3.5 i guess this is pretty near to the ideal (but could of course be improved).
so i still do not see clearly what is wrong.
OK, last comment on this interesting but OT thread.
And yes, I did not count the clicks inside the "open file" dialog. But as much as people like to count things around here, that is *seriously* nitpicking ;-)
It's not the "click count" that is wrong. It is just not very user-friendly to have to go looking for the thing you just uploaded in order to attach meta-data like comments to it when this could be done at upload time. This would be the most intuitive way of handling it, rather than letting the default architecture of Plone decide how to do it.
And an RSS feed of uploaded files might not be a bad thing. Or at least an automated post to the PD list like "UserX has uploaded a file to the PD website". Then, when a tree falls in the Wikki, someone does hear it.
best, d.
On 05/12/2006, at 13.58, IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote:
PS: there is a separate mailinglist pdweb@ dedicated to talk about the website.
There indeed is. It would be quite valuable if people interested in
the topic hooked up there. As a matter of fact there is currently a
related thread taking it a bit further then counting clicks versus
discussion when the description is to be added.
On Dec 5, 2006, at 9:18 AM, Steffen wrote:
On 05/12/2006, at 13.58, IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote:
PS: there is a separate mailinglist pdweb@ dedicated to talk about
the website.There indeed is. It would be quite valuable if people interested in
the topic hooked up there. As a matter of fact there is currently a
related thread taking it a bit further then counting clicks versus
discussion when the description is to be added.
Also, we should mention that Steffen has been leading the charge for
a solution to this very issue. Basically, we are talking about
having some kind of "curated" blog as the front page of puredata.org,
where anyone can sign up for a slot to be the curator, and anyone can
submit.
And as a side note, I think we should use archive.org to host the
video and audio content, since its a great site that freely hosts any
freely distributable content.
.hc
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On Tue, Dec 05, 2006 at 01:00:01PM +0100, IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote:
i think we really just need something where people can upload a patch or zip file with one click, and then write a description of it.
this makes at 3.5 clicks compared to 1 click (but i guess the "1 click" was not to be meant literally).
in practice things are a bit more complicated: you have to know where you can click for "add file"; and the list of items you could add might be longer than what you really want to see.
Also, when someone uploads something cool into plone, does anyone hear about it? Is there an RSS feed of recently contributed tunes/patches or anything like that? I think that could encourage use.
Best,
Chris.
chris@mccormick.cx http://mccormick.cx
I strongly support that idea too! youtube for pd patches. and having a button inside your pd pulldownmenu that says "publish on you-pd.org" which would make it a one klick action. if we have a standardized description line inside the patch it could be easily parsed into a web description... what I also was thinking of for a while now, (and some people already work in a similar direction) is a virtual place to jam together. marius.
but... many patches are written for a special situation or for a special hw setup.
Chris McCormick wrote:
On Tue, Dec 05, 2006 at 01:00:01PM +0100, IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote:
i think we really just need something where people can upload a patch or zip file with one click, and then write a description of it.
this makes at 3.5 clicks compared to 1 click (but i guess the "1 click" was not to be meant literally).
in practice things are a bit more complicated: you have to know where you can click for "add file"; and the list of items you could add might be longer than what you really want to see.
Also, when someone uploads something cool into plone, does anyone hear about it? Is there an RSS feed of recently contributed tunes/patches or anything like that? I think that could encourage use.
Best,
Chris.
chris@mccormick.cx http://mccormick.cx
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