Friday, 13.05.2011, 17:00-22:00h
Workshop: Switch from PureData! (or MAX/MSP for that matter)
Led by Fredrik Olofsson [ http://fredrikolofsson.com ]
During this one-day workshop we will focus on the free software SuperCollider and show why programming with syntax can be both easier and superior to patching in graphical environments. This session offers a great chance for beginners as well as seasoned users of other synthesis environments to get a taste of the features that make SuperCollider such a flexible and powerful tool. While not intended as a full introduction to this synthesis environment, it will function as a preparatory session for a series of SuperCollider seminars that we are preparing for after the summer.
Topics will include envelopes, patterns, granular synthesis and networked music. These are specifically chosen to show how SuperCollider is a very dynamic system where things easily are replaced on the fly or adapted to varying number of sound channels, the kind of things that are cumbersome or hard to do in PureData.
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Waiting for the 200+ posts about why this is completely wrong, complete with forgotten source-code patches that could "easily fix the problem" dating back to 1979 ;-)
D.
On 5/2/11 2:57 PM, l'ull cec wrote:
the kind of things that are cumbersome or hard to do in PureData
mick jagger prefers PD,
so does david bowie.
fair enough, andrew lloyd webber does all his operas in supercollider these days, but that guy did CATS in machine code, so he's pretty out there.
greeting
am i the only one who thinks it's odd to promote an anti-pd workshop on a pd list? i'm not saying the idea is wrong or bad [or good], just that it strikes me as not very well thought through to promote it here. like trying to drum up attendance at a easter service by posting to pagan list ...
On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 8:57 AM, l'ull cec info@lullcec.org wrote:
Workshop: Switch from PureData! (or MAX/MSP for that matter)
1 ) I love the easter comparison. 2 ) I believe that many Pd users are interested in writing music programs, and thus potentially interested in a conference about SuperCollider. I just don't understand why he felt the need to compare it to Pd.
Pierre
2011/5/2 john saylor js0000@gmail.com
greeting
am i the only one who thinks it's odd to promote an anti-pd workshop on a pd list? i'm not saying the idea is wrong or bad [or good], just that it strikes me as not very well thought through to promote it here. like trying to drum up attendance at a easter service by posting to pagan list ...
On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 8:57 AM, l'ull cec info@lullcec.org wrote:
Workshop: Switch from PureData! (or MAX/MSP for that matter)
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On 05/02/2011 04:02 PM, john saylor wrote:
am i the only one who thinks it's odd to promote an anti-pd workshop on a pd list?
(derek was right =)
who said it's an "anti-pd" workshop ? knowing fredrik, it should be more about using new tools. have a look at his website and you'll see what I mean..
cheers, _y
It's not an "anti-pd workshop" per se... It's just about SuperCollider.
The problem is with the promotion then? Consider the catching phrase just a joke to undo the opposite marketing strategy that "graphical programming is better blah blah"...
Let people choose which they prefer, no harm in doing publicity to the workshop here - funny catch phrase for a workshop. I don't mind personally. I use both, and I each has its advantages (i.e: I cannot write/prototype with SC as fast as with PD).
Best, Pedro
On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 3:12 PM, Bernardo Barros bernardobarros2@gmail.comwrote:
It's not an "anti-pd workshop" per se... It's just about SuperCollider.
The problem is with the promotion then? Consider the catching phrase just a joke to undo the opposite marketing strategy that "graphical programming is better blah blah"...
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Precisely. It's just weird to say "switch," as though leaving Pd behind forever. I guess it was an attempt at catchy marketing but...
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On May 2, 2011, at 10:15 AM, Pedro Lopes wrote:
Let people choose which they prefer, no harm in doing publicity to the workshop here - funny catch phrase for a workshop. I don't mind personally. I use both, and I each has its advantages (i.e: I cannot write/prototype with SC as fast as with PD).
Best, Pedro
On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 3:12 PM, Bernardo Barros bernardobarros2@gmail.com wrote: It's not an "anti-pd workshop" per se... It's just about SuperCollider.
The problem is with the promotion then? Consider the catching phrase just a joke to undo the opposite marketing strategy that "graphical programming is better blah blah"...
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Hi John,
am i the only one who thinks it's odd to promote an anti-pd workshop on a pd list? i'm not saying the idea is wrong or bad [or good], just that it strikes me as not very well thought through to promote it here. like trying to drum up attendance at a easter service by posting to pagan list ...
Framing the workshop as an "anti-pd" activity seems a tad on the extremist side from here.
In all honesty, the workshop is aimed at current users of graphical patching environments who might be interested in exploring other alternatives. And thus it seems appropriate to promote it among current users of such applications.
No offence meant, really.
Cheers
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hi
On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 10:27 AM, l'ull cec info@lullcec.org wrote:
Framing the workshop as an "anti-pd" activity seems a tad on the extremist side from here.
ok, but that's how it reads: "switch from pd" [instead of "supercollider is cool"]
i certainly am not interested in making us all use one tool, nor am i interested in trying to prevent or limit attendance at your workshop. and i've always been bad at the marketing stuff, so maybe you are just way ahead of me there ...
No offence meant, really.
none taken
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On 2011-05-02 16:02, john saylor wrote:
greeting
am i the only one who thinks it's odd to promote an anti-pd workshop on a pd list?
well, i guess, asking people on the sc3 list to switch from Pd to SC is kind of pointless.
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