Does this test build have the same issues?
Pd-0.50-2-signed.zip http://docs.danomatika.com/pdbuilds/0.51/Pd-0.50-2-signed.zip
I don't have a macOS 10.15 machine to test personally. I can get one next week.
On May 30, 2020, at 12:00 PM, pd-list-request@lists.iem.at wrote:
Message: 3 Date: Sat, 30 May 2020 00:24:36 -0700 From: Kevin Haywood <khaywood@ucsd.edu mailto:khaywood@ucsd.edu> To: pd-list@iem.at mailto:pd-list@iem.at Cc: pd-announce@iem.at mailto:pd-announce@iem.at, Miller Puckette <msp@ucsd.edu mailto:msp@ucsd.edu> Subject: Re: [PD] [PD-announce] pd 0.51-0test2 for Macontosh - another try at code signing Message-ID: <94A646CD-FEA1-4549-A2E6-163A7CB6EF79@ucsd.edu mailto:94A646CD-FEA1-4549-A2E6-163A7CB6EF79@ucsd.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
For me, on almost-latest macOS (10.15.4, although 10.15.5 just came out), test2 will not load externals at all.
I get the "… couldn’t create” message in the Pd Window, but whereas previously I could quit Pd, go to System Preferences > Security & Privacy and there would be a little message telling me the last piece of software that was blocked (and allowing me to unblock it), that message no longer appears.
To make matters worse, when I go back to 0.50-2, none of my externals will load there, either, now that I’ve run test2.
Yikes! Kevin
Dan Wilcox @danomatika http://twitter.com/danomatika danomatika.com http://danomatika.com/ robotcowboy.com http://robotcowboy.com/
Thanks Dan! With this version:
My externals all open (although that might have been somehow fixed by my previous test where I created a new external?).
Zexy’s multiplex and mux will not load, as before.
Cyclone’s allpass~ will load, as before.
William Brent’s convolve~ 0.11 will not load.
I haven’t tested any other externals.
On May 30, 2020, at 11:55 AM, Dan Wilcox danomatika@gmail.com wrote:
Does this test build have the same issues?
Pd-0.50-2-signed.zip https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://docs.danomatika.com/pdbuilds/0.51/Pd-0.50-2-signed.zip__;!!Mih3wA!U1-8ipXrIcwEl8tleRlw8VC9RjR-BUgrWFFPfg70RhUrr_gzsQmIUyF0fkgdSxms$
I don't have a macOS 10.15 machine to test personally. I can get one next week.
On May 30, 2020, at 12:00 PM, pd-list-request@lists.iem.at mailto:pd-list-request@lists.iem.at wrote:
Message: 3 Date: Sat, 30 May 2020 00:24:36 -0700 From: Kevin Haywood <khaywood@ucsd.edu mailto:khaywood@ucsd.edu> To: pd-list@iem.at mailto:pd-list@iem.at Cc: pd-announce@iem.at mailto:pd-announce@iem.at, Miller Puckette <msp@ucsd.edu mailto:msp@ucsd.edu> Subject: Re: [PD] [PD-announce] pd 0.51-0test2 for Macontosh - another try at code signing Message-ID: <94A646CD-FEA1-4549-A2E6-163A7CB6EF79@ucsd.edu mailto:94A646CD-FEA1-4549-A2E6-163A7CB6EF79@ucsd.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
For me, on almost-latest macOS (10.15.4, although 10.15.5 just came out), test2 will not load externals at all.
I get the "… couldn’t create” message in the Pd Window, but whereas previously I could quit Pd, go to System Preferences > Security & Privacy and there would be a little message telling me the last piece of software that was blocked (and allowing me to unblock it), that message no longer appears.
To make matters worse, when I go back to 0.50-2, none of my externals will load there, either, now that I’ve run test2.
Yikes! Kevin
Dan Wilcox @danomatika https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://twitter.com/danomatika__;!!Mih3wA!U1-8ipXrIcwEl8tleRlw8VC9RjR-BUgrWFFPfg70RhUrr_gzsQmIUyF0fnRoaA5C$ danomatika.com https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://danomatika.com__;!!Mih3wA!U1-8ipXrIcwEl8tleRlw8VC9RjR-BUgrWFFPfg70RhUrr_gzsQmIUyF0fpGxbnLA$ robotcowboy.com https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://robotcowboy.com__;!!Mih3wA!U1-8ipXrIcwEl8tleRlw8VC9RjR-BUgrWFFPfg70RhUrr_gzsQmIUyF0fh8myY78$
Ack, my mistake! convolve~ /does/ load. I just saw the red error that it throws by default, and didn’t actually read the error message.
On May 30, 2020, at 12:09 PM, Kevin Haywood khaywood@ucsd.edu wrote:
Thanks Dan! With this version:
My externals all open (although that might have been somehow fixed by my previous test where I created a new external?).
Zexy’s multiplex and mux will not load, as before.
Cyclone’s allpass~ will load, as before.
William Brent’s convolve~ 0.11 will not load.
I haven’t tested any other externals.
On May 30, 2020, at 11:55 AM, Dan Wilcox <danomatika@gmail.com mailto:danomatika@gmail.com> wrote:
Does this test build have the same issues?
Pd-0.50-2-signed.zip https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://docs.danomatika.com/pdbuilds/0.51/Pd-0.50-2-signed.zip__;!!Mih3wA!U1-8ipXrIcwEl8tleRlw8VC9RjR-BUgrWFFPfg70RhUrr_gzsQmIUyF0fkgdSxms$
I don't have a macOS 10.15 machine to test personally. I can get one next week.
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For me, on almost-latest macOS (10.15.4, although 10.15.5 just came out), test2 will not load externals at all.
I get the "… couldn’t create” message in the Pd Window, but whereas previously I could quit Pd, go to System Preferences > Security & Privacy and there would be a little message telling me the last piece of software that was blocked (and allowing me to unblock it), that message no longer appears.
To make matters worse, when I go back to 0.50-2, none of my externals will load there, either, now that I’ve run test2.
Yikes! Kevin
Dan Wilcox @danomatika https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://twitter.com/danomatika__;!!Mih3wA!U1-8ipXrIcwEl8tleRlw8VC9RjR-BUgrWFFPfg70RhUrr_gzsQmIUyF0fnRoaA5C$ danomatika.com https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://danomatika.com__;!!Mih3wA!U1-8ipXrIcwEl8tleRlw8VC9RjR-BUgrWFFPfg70RhUrr_gzsQmIUyF0fpGxbnLA$ robotcowboy.com https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://robotcowboy.com__;!!Mih3wA!U1-8ipXrIcwEl8tleRlw8VC9RjR-BUgrWFFPfg70RhUrr_gzsQmIUyF0fh8myY78$
Em sáb., 30 de mai. de 2020 às 15:58, Dan Wilcox danomatika@gmail.com escreveu:
Does this test build have the same issues?
Pd-0.50-2-signed.zip http://docs.danomatika.com/pdbuilds/0.51/Pd-0.50-2-signed.zip
I see a diference from this and the test downloads from Miller.
When trying to open Miller's I get
"*cannot be opened because the developer cannot be verified"*
I don't get that when I try to open yours, I get instead I get *“Pd-0.50-2-signed” can’t be opened because Apple cannot check it for malicious software.*
So it's quite clear signing worked for making it "verified" somehow. That's a pretty clear cue...
I couldn't see any difference in load time when trying your build, but again, let me stress that I don't get it "always" on the build made by Miller, it's something that happens only sometimes and I was also noticing that with my own Pd builds from the repository...
The main difference between the builds is that mine was made on a much newer system. I was hoping that Miller's 10.6 build system would be able sign the app bundles well enough but maybe not. Let's find out.
Can y'all can try either of the signed 0.5.1-0-test0 builds here?
http://docs.danomatika.com/pdbuilds/0.51/ http://docs.danomatika.com/pdbuilds/0.51/
These is the current 0.51-0-test0 except that I've built and signed it on a 10.14 system. The adhoc build is using the anonymous fake "signing" while the wilcox build is signed with my developer id.
On May 30, 2020, at 10:36 PM, Alexandre Torres Porres porres@gmail.com wrote:
Em sáb., 30 de mai. de 2020 às 15:58, Dan Wilcox <danomatika@gmail.com mailto:danomatika@gmail.com> escreveu: Does this test build have the same issues?
Pd-0.50-2-signed.zip http://docs.danomatika.com/pdbuilds/0.51/Pd-0.50-2-signed.zip
I see a diference from this and the test downloads from Miller.
When trying to open Miller's I get
"cannot be opened because the developer cannot be verified"
I don't get that when I try to open yours, I get instead I get “Pd-0.50-2-signed” can’t be opened because Apple cannot check it for malicious software.
So it's quite clear signing worked for making it "verified" somehow. That's a pretty clear cue...
I couldn't see any difference in load time when trying your build, but again, let me stress that I don't get it "always" on the build made by Miller, it's something that happens only sometimes and I was also noticing that with my own Pd builds from the repository...
Dan Wilcox @danomatika http://twitter.com/danomatika danomatika.com http://danomatika.com/ robotcowboy.com http://robotcowboy.com/
Zexy’s multiplex and mux will not load, as before.
Did you actually try to load zexy, i.e. with [declare -lib zexy]? If yes, did you get an error message?
Christof
On 30.05.2020 21:09, Kevin Haywood via Pd-list wrote:
Thanks Dan! With this version:
My externals all open (although that might have been somehow fixed by my previous test where I created a new external?).
Zexy’s multiplex and mux will not load, as before.
Cyclone’s allpass~ will load, as before.
William Brent’s convolve~ 0.11 will not load.
I haven’t tested any other externals.
On May 30, 2020, at 11:55 AM, Dan Wilcox <danomatika@gmail.com mailto:danomatika@gmail.com> wrote:
Does this test build have the same issues?
Pd-0.50-2-signed.zip https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://docs.danomatika.com/pdbuilds/0.51/Pd-0.50-2-signed.zip__;!!Mih3wA!U1-8ipXrIcwEl8tleRlw8VC9RjR-BUgrWFFPfg70RhUrr_gzsQmIUyF0fkgdSxms$
I don't have a macOS 10.15 machine to test personally. I can get one next week.
On May 30, 2020, at 12:00 PM, pd-list-request@lists.iem.at mailto:pd-list-request@lists.iem.at wrote:
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For me, on almost-latest macOS (10.15.4, although 10.15.5 just came out), test2 will not load externals at all.
I get the "… couldn’t create” message in the Pd Window, but whereas previously I could quit Pd, go to System Preferences > Security & Privacy and there would be a little message telling me the last piece of software that was blocked (and allowing me to unblock it), that message no longer appears.
To make matters worse, when I go back to 0.50-2, none of my externals will load there, either, now that I’ve run test2.
Yikes! Kevin
Dan Wilcox @danomatika https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://twitter.com/danomatika__;!!Mih3wA!U1-8ipXrIcwEl8tleRlw8VC9RjR-BUgrWFFPfg70RhUrr_gzsQmIUyF0fnRoaA5C$ danomatika.com https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://danomatika.com__;!!Mih3wA!U1-8ipXrIcwEl8tleRlw8VC9RjR-BUgrWFFPfg70RhUrr_gzsQmIUyF0fpGxbnLA$ robotcowboy.com https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://robotcowboy.com__;!!Mih3wA!U1-8ipXrIcwEl8tleRlw8VC9RjR-BUgrWFFPfg70RhUrr_gzsQmIUyF0fh8myY78$
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Em sáb., 30 de mai. de 2020 às 17:54, Dan Wilcox danomatika@gmail.com escreveu:
The main difference between the builds is that mine was made on a much newer system. I was hoping that Miller's 10.6 build system would be able sign the app bundles well enough but maybe not. Let's find out.
Can y'all can try either of the signed 0.5.1-0-test0 builds here?
Hi, I tried both Pd-0.51.0-test0-signed-adhoc & Pd-0.51.0-test0-signed-wilcox, I also tried Pd-0.50-2-signed that I found in there...
I got the same annoying increase in load time when creating externals. The same from Pd 0.51-0-test2
Anyway, I now realize this happens when you first load an external. If you try loading it a next time, it doesn't take long anymore... and this can be in a different version of Pd (and I caught that cause I had FOUR test versions, haha), meaning, if you first opened the external in a Pd version, you can try the same one for the first time on the other version and it doesn't take long.
By the way, deletong the external libraries and downloading the same one again from deken makes Pd take some time again to load it for the first time.
Well, this seems like a damn annoyance from Catalina. It just bothers me a lot, maybe it doesn't make other people burst into agony like I do...
So I don't really know if Pd 0.51-0 test 2 was really signed or not, it doesn't seem I'm experiencing issues related to Pd being signed or not...
I tried externals from the ELSE and Cyclone library, namely cyclone/scope~ and else/allpass.filt~ - maybe you people can test to see if you get that too... the load time is not even a second, but feels like an eternity for anxious souls like mine.
Cheers
by the way, the font annoyance I'm experiencing in Catalina is kind of a bigger deal breaker than this, so I went back to Mojave and will really hold on to this OS as much as I can... I'm just keeping and booting into Catalina to help you people on tests.
Back to Mojave now... cheers
Em qui., 4 de jun. de 2020 às 01:45, Alexandre Torres Porres < porres@gmail.com> escreveu:
Em sáb., 30 de mai. de 2020 às 17:54, Dan Wilcox danomatika@gmail.com escreveu:
The main difference between the builds is that mine was made on a much newer system. I was hoping that Miller's 10.6 build system would be able sign the app bundles well enough but maybe not. Let's find out.
Can y'all can try either of the signed 0.5.1-0-test0 builds here?
Hi, I tried both Pd-0.51.0-test0-signed-adhoc & Pd-0.51.0-test0-signed-wilcox, I also tried Pd-0.50-2-signed that I found in there...
I got the same annoying increase in load time when creating externals. The same from Pd 0.51-0-test2
Anyway, I now realize this happens when you first load an external. If you try loading it a next time, it doesn't take long anymore... and this can be in a different version of Pd (and I caught that cause I had FOUR test versions, haha), meaning, if you first opened the external in a Pd version, you can try the same one for the first time on the other version and it doesn't take long.
By the way, deletong the external libraries and downloading the same one again from deken makes Pd take some time again to load it for the first time.
Well, this seems like a damn annoyance from Catalina. It just bothers me a lot, maybe it doesn't make other people burst into agony like I do...
So I don't really know if Pd 0.51-0 test 2 was really signed or not, it doesn't seem I'm experiencing issues related to Pd being signed or not...
I tried externals from the ELSE and Cyclone library, namely cyclone/scope~ and else/allpass.filt~ - maybe you people can test to see if you get that too... the load time is not even a second, but feels like an eternity for anxious souls like mine.
Cheers
The biggest reason you know it's signed is that you can load externals without a popup warning you about the dynamic library being bad and requiring you to go to the Privacy panel in System Preferences to allow it to load. You'd need to do this for *each* external you try to load.
On Jun 4, 2020, at 6:45 AM, Alexandre Torres Porres porres@gmail.com wrote:
So I don't really know if Pd 0.51-0 test 2 was really signed or not, it doesn't seem I'm experiencing issues related to Pd being signed or not...
Dan Wilcox @danomatika http://twitter.com/danomatika danomatika.com http://danomatika.com/ robotcowboy.com http://robotcowboy.com/
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