Which package is that? Did you try this release?

.hc

On May 26, 2009, at 3:03 PM, Hector Centeno wrote:

Just wanted to let you know that using the Fedora package in Fedora Core 10 the font still seems too big. The text still sticks out of the object boxes.

Regards,

Hector

On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 12:02 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner <hans@at.or.at

...

wrote:

I think this is basically ready to go

http://at.or.at/hans/pd/installers.html

Please test on Windows and give feedback! I haven't heard anything
about Windows. It's looking ready for release, so please try it if you
haven't already so we can find the last bugs. As far as I know, there
aren't any outstanding bugs that need to be fixed for this release. So I
think this is the release.

Test away and file bugs in the bug tracker!

http://puredata.info/dev/bugtracker

This release candidate includes:

• on GNU/Linux, corrected font size when using Tcl/Tk 8.5
• moocow/flite speech synth added on all platforms
• fixed strict-aliasing build problems with cyclone, iemlib,

bsaylor, and sigpack

• (Windows) increased default audio buffer to 100ms since there are

some really flaky audio cards in Windows land

• (Mac OS X) decreased buffers to 20ms since all Apple hardware

that I have tested in the past 7 years works with that

KNOWN BUGS

Check http://puredata.info/dev/bugtracker before reporting bugs,
and if you find an existing bug report on the same issue, please add your
information there.

• Escape, Enter, and Ctrl/Cmd-W don't close the Path and Startup

preferences

• pdp_opengl is alpha and will definitely crash Pd

• loading pdp_opengl will crash Pd if X11 is not open before trying

to load it

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Ah, I thought that "Fedora Package" might have meant some official
package included in Fedora.

• could you post a screenshot?

• do you have Bitstream Vera Sans Mono installed?

• in /usr/local/lib/pd/bin/pd.tk, do you have this code around line

3996:

if {$::tcl_version eq "8.5"} {
	set sizelist "5 6 8 9 10 12 14 16 19 25"
} else {
	set sizelist "8 9 10 12 14 16 18 24 30 36"
}

.hc

On May 26, 2009, at 3:38 PM, Hector Centeno wrote:

Yes, I installed the Pd-0.41.4-extended-rc3-planetccrma9-i386.tar.bz2 package for Fedora available at http://at.or.at/hans/pd/installers.html

Hector

On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 3:15 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner
hans@at.or.at wrote:

...

Which package is that? Did you try this release?

.hc

On May 26, 2009, at 3:03 PM, Hector Centeno wrote:

...

Just wanted to let you know that using the Fedora package in Fedora Core 10 the font still seems too big. The text still sticks out of
the object boxes.

Regards,

Hector

On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 12:02 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner <hans@at.or.at

...

wrote:

...

I think this is basically ready to go

http://at.or.at/hans/pd/installers.html

Please test on Windows and give feedback! I haven't heard
anything about Windows. It's looking ready for release, so please try it if you
haven't already so we can find the last bugs. As far as I know, there
aren't any outstanding bugs that need to be fixed for this release. So I
think this is the release.

Test away and file bugs in the bug tracker!

http://puredata.info/dev/bugtracker

This release candidate includes:

• on GNU/Linux, corrected font size when using Tcl/Tk 8.5
• moocow/flite speech synth added on all platforms
• fixed strict-aliasing build problems with cyclone, iemlib,

bsaylor, and sigpack

• (Windows) increased default audio buffer to 100ms since there

are some really flaky audio cards in Windows land

• (Mac OS X) decreased buffers to 20ms since all Apple hardware

that I have tested in the past 7 years works with that

KNOWN BUGS

Check http://puredata.info/dev/bugtracker before reporting bugs,
and if you find an existing bug report on the same issue, please add your information there.

• Escape, Enter, and Ctrl/Cmd-W don't close the Path and Startup

preferences

• pdp_opengl is alpha and will definitely crash Pd

• loading pdp_opengl will crash Pd if X11 is not open before

trying to load it

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ah! I found the source of the problem. Googling for the font size issue in Fedora I found that it seems that Gnome in Fedora 10 has problems auto-detecting the right DPI for the display. In the Font section of the Appearance Preferences, clicking on "Details" shows a configuration window where the resolution in DPI can be set. I changed that to 96 and the fonts work fine in PD with the original values in Pd-0.41.4-extended-rc3.

Cheers,

Hector

On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 6:26 PM, Hector Centeno hcengar@gmail.com wrote:

Yes, I do have that code in pd.tk which I had already hacked before in a similar way. Under OpenSuse those font sizes work fine but in Fedora the 8 has to be changed by 7 like this:

set sizelist "5 6 7 9 10 12 14 16 19 25"

For some reason in general the fonts in Fedora look bigger. After getting use to the sizes in OpenSuse I had to reduce everything in the gnome settings.

Cheers,

Hector

p.s. I attached a screenshot of the way it looks with set sizelist "5 6 8 9 10 12 14 16 19 25"

On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 4:29 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner hans@at.or.at wrote:

...

Ah, I thought that "Fedora Package" might have meant some official package included in Fedora.

• could you post a screenshot?

• do you have Bitstream Vera Sans Mono installed?

• in /usr/local/lib/pd/bin/pd.tk, do you have this code around line 3996:

if {$::tcl_version eq "8.5"} {                set sizelist "5 6 8 9 10 12 14 16 19 25"        } else {                set sizelist "8 9 10 12 14 16 18 24 30 36"        }

.hc

On May 26, 2009, at 3:38 PM, Hector Centeno wrote:

...

Yes, I installed the Pd-0.41.4-extended-rc3-planetccrma9-i386.tar.bz2 package for Fedora available at http://at.or.at/hans/pd/installers.html

Hector

On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 3:15 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner hans@at.or.at wrote:

...

Which package is that?  Did you try this release?

.hc

On May 26, 2009, at 3:03 PM, Hector Centeno wrote:

...

Just wanted to let you know that using the Fedora package in Fedora Core 10 the font still seems too big. The text still sticks out of the object boxes.

Regards,

Hector

On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 12:02 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner hans@at.or.at wrote:

...

I think this is basically ready to go

http://at.or.at/hans/pd/installers.html

Please test on Windows and give feedback!  I haven't heard anything about Windows.  It's looking ready for release, so please try it if you haven't already so we can find the last bugs.  As far as I know, there aren't any outstanding bugs that need to be fixed for this release.  So I think this is the release.

Test away and file bugs in the bug tracker!

http://puredata.info/dev/bugtracker

This release candidate includes:

• on GNU/Linux, corrected font size when using Tcl/Tk 8.5
• moocow/flite speech synth added on all platforms
• fixed strict-aliasing build problems with cyclone, iemlib, bsaylor,

and sigpack

• (Windows) increased default audio buffer to 100ms since there are

some really flaky audio cards in Windows land

• (Mac OS X) decreased buffers to 20ms since all Apple hardware that I

have tested in the past 7 years works with that

KNOWN BUGS

Check http://puredata.info/dev/bugtracker before reporting bugs, and if you find an existing bug report on the same issue, please add your information there.

• Escape, Enter, and Ctrl/Cmd-W don't close the Path and Startup

preferences

• pdp_opengl is alpha and will definitely crash Pd

• loading pdp_opengl will crash Pd if X11 is not open before trying to

load it

---

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hi,

I hoped to follow in Hector's footsteps and install this on the planet's FC10. But while i didn't see any errors when installing when I run this Pd I don't get any audio (when I select Jack I get I/O stuck; it works ok with the version that nando packages, but that's 0.39). It also can't find some libraries (below). It's rather sad really becuase I was hoping to be able to run it for a performance on Monday.

zexy: can't load library freeverb: can't load library mapping: can't load library mrpeach: can't load library flatspace: can't load library unauthorized: can't load library iemlib: can't load library pan: can't load library list-abs: can't load library cyclone: can't load library hcs: can't load library sms: can't load library markex: can't load library /usr/local/lib/pd/extra/Gem/Gem.pd_linux: libMagick++.so.10: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory Gem: can't load library

...

Yes, I installed the Pd-0.41.4-extended-rc3-planetccrma9-i386.tar.bz2 package for Fedora available at http://at.or.at/hans/pd/installers.html

Hector

On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 3:15 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner hans@at.or.at wrote:

...

Which package is that? Did you try this release?

.hc

On May 26, 2009, at 3:03 PM, Hector Centeno wrote:

...

Just wanted to let you know that using the Fedora package in Fedora Core 10 the font still seems too big. The text still sticks out of the object boxes.

Regards,

Hector

On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 12:02 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner hans@at.or.at wrote:

...

I think this is basically ready to go

http://at.or.at/hans/pd/installers.html

Please test on Windows and give feedback! I haven't heard anything about Windows. It's looking ready for release, so please try it if you haven't already so we can find the last bugs. As far as I know, there aren't any outstanding bugs that need to be fixed for this release. So I think this is the release.

Test away and file bugs in the bug tracker!

http://puredata.info/dev/bugtracker

This release candidate includes:

• on GNU/Linux, corrected font size when using Tcl/Tk 8.5
• moocow/flite speech synth added on all platforms
• fixed strict-aliasing build problems with cyclone, iemlib, bsaylor,

and sigpack

• (Windows) increased default audio buffer to 100ms since there are some

really flaky audio cards in Windows land

• (Mac OS X) decreased buffers to 20ms since all Apple hardware that I

have tested in the past 7 years works with that

KNOWN BUGS

Check http://puredata.info/dev/bugtracker before reporting bugs, and if you find an existing bug report on the same issue, please add your information there.

• Escape, Enter, and Ctrl/Cmd-W don't close the Path and Startup

preferences

• pdp_opengl is alpha and will definitely crash Pd

• loading pdp_opengl will crash Pd if X11 is not open before trying to

load it

---

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I am guessing that you have a preferences file in ~/.pdsettings that doesn't load 'libdir' first. Are those libraries in /usr/local/lib/pd/extra?

So I could change the first lib to: loadlib1: libdir

but am I correct in suspecting that would render pd-0.39 disfunctional? I don't presume the problem with opening the audio is linked to this problem which is why I'm keen to have the earlier PD functioning untill I manage to fix that.

thanks Oded

thanks (I should have figured it out myself). It did solve the loading problem but still no audio...

On May 28, 2009, at 11:32 AM, Oded Ben-Tal wrote:

...

...

I am guessing that you have a preferences file in ~/.pdsettings that doesn't load 'libdir' first. Are those libraries in /usr/local/lib/pd/extra?

So I could change the first lib to: loadlib1: libdir

but am I correct in suspecting that would render pd-0.39 disfunctional? I don't presume the problem with opening the audio is linked to this problem which is why I'm keen to have the earlier PD functioning untill I manage to fix that.

Here's the FAQ on that problem:

http://puredata.info/docs/faq/when-i-upgraded-to-pd-extended-0-40-3-it-stopp...

You can just rename or move the .pdrc/.pdsettings file to try Pd-extended newer than 0.39.3

.hc

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No need to upgrade before your performance. The ones to use are the
ones on the release candidate page.

.hc

On May 26, 2009, at 8:16 PM, João Pais wrote:

for what's worth: I'm on a sensitive moment now (final stretch to
audio-video performance next sunday in salamanca). I can look at
this after that, though. are the most actual versions on the nightly builds?

2009/5/26 Hans-Christoph Steiner hans@at.or.at

I think this is basically ready to go

http://at.or.at/hans/pd/installers.html

Please test on Windows and give feedback! I haven't heard anything
about Windows. It's looking ready for release, so please try it if
you haven't already so we can find the last bugs. As far as I know,
there aren't any outstanding bugs that need to be fixed for this
release. So I think this is the release.

Test away and file bugs in the bug tracker!

http://puredata.info/dev/bugtracker

This release candidate includes:

• on GNU/Linux, corrected font size when using Tcl/Tk 8.5
• moocow/flite speech synth added on all platforms
• fixed strict-aliasing build problems with cyclone, iemlib,

bsaylor, and sigpack

• (Windows) increased default audio buffer to 100ms since there are

some really flaky audio cards in Windows land

• (Mac OS X) decreased buffers to 20ms since all Apple hardware that

I have tested in the past 7 years works with that

KNOWN BUGS

Check http://puredata.info/dev/bugtracker before reporting bugs, and
if you find an existing bug report on the same issue, please add
your information there.

• Escape, Enter, and Ctrl/Cmd-W don't close the Path and Startup

preferences

• pdp_opengl is alpha and will definitely crash Pd

• loading pdp_opengl will crash Pd if X11 is not open before trying

to load it

---

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Thanks, glad its useful. I am guessing that also means its working
for you ;)

.hc

On May 26, 2009, at 10:00 PM, Tom Dunstan wrote:

Thanks Hans

This is really amazing and has been a great help.

t

On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 2:02 AM, Hans-Christoph Steiner
hans@at.or.at wrote:

I think this is basically ready to go

http://at.or.at/hans/pd/installers.html

Please test on Windows and give feedback! I haven't heard anything
about Windows. It's looking ready for release, so please try it if
you haven't already so we can find the last bugs. As far as I know,
there aren't any outstanding bugs that need to be fixed for this
release. So I think this is the release.

Test away and file bugs in the bug tracker!

http://puredata.info/dev/bugtracker

This release candidate includes:

• on GNU/Linux, corrected font size when using Tcl/Tk 8.5
• moocow/flite speech synth added on all platforms
• fixed strict-aliasing build problems with cyclone, iemlib,

bsaylor, and sigpack

• (Windows) increased default audio buffer to 100ms since there are

some really flaky audio cards in Windows land

• (Mac OS X) decreased buffers to 20ms since all Apple hardware that

I have tested in the past 7 years works with that

KNOWN BUGS

Check http://puredata.info/dev/bugtracker before reporting bugs, and
if you find an existing bug report on the same issue, please add
your information there.

• Escape, Enter, and Ctrl/Cmd-W don't close the Path and Startup

preferences

• pdp_opengl is alpha and will definitely crash Pd

• loading pdp_opengl will crash Pd if X11 is not open before trying

to load it

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Hey Dafydd,

It seems that you have something funky going on. I am running Jaunty 9.04 on my machine, and iemlib, zexy, osxc, etc. are all there and working.

.hc

On Wed, 27 May 2009 08:33 -0400, "Dafydd Hughes" dafydd61@gmail.com wrote:

Hi Hans-Christoph

Thanks for all you work on this.

These may be eeepc-related issues, but here are a few things I've hit on my eeepc 701/Ubuntu 9.04: zexy: can't load library Looks like no OSC externals, no iemlib. Looks like Pd is only good for 1 run per session. On second run, I can't open any windows (Like loading a patch, New, Test Audio & MIDI) and I need to kill pd manually. (almost certain that's a eeepc issue.)

Like I said, these problems may be eeepc things, but I thought I'd mention. I will keep bashing at it and I'll let you know if I learn anything.

Thanks again.

cheers dafydd

On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 12:02 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner hans@at.or.at wrote:

...

I think this is basically ready to go

http://at.or.at/hans/pd/installers.html

Please test on Windows and give feedback!  I haven't heard anything about Windows.  It's looking ready for release, so please try it if you haven't already so we can find the last bugs.  As far as I know, there aren't any outstanding bugs that need to be fixed for this release.  So I think this is the release.

Test away and file bugs in the bug tracker!

http://puredata.info/dev/bugtracker

This release candidate includes:

• on GNU/Linux, corrected font size when using Tcl/Tk 8.5
• moocow/flite speech synth added on all platforms
• fixed strict-aliasing build problems with cyclone, iemlib, bsaylor, and

sigpack

• (Windows) increased default audio buffer to 100ms since there are some

really flaky audio cards in Windows land

• (Mac OS X) decreased buffers to 20ms since all Apple hardware that I have

tested in the past 7 years works with that

KNOWN BUGS

Check http://puredata.info/dev/bugtracker before reporting bugs, and if you find an existing bug report on the same issue, please add your information there.

• Escape, Enter, and Ctrl/Cmd-W don't close the Path and Startup preferences

• pdp_opengl is alpha and will definitely crash Pd

• loading pdp_opengl will crash Pd if X11 is not open before trying to load

it

---

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Hi Hans-Christoph

It's so easy to reinstall Ubuntu that I did, installed pd and everything's working great now. I remember I got pd from the Ubuntu repository originally, then installed the extended package. I'm pretty sure I removed the old one everything first, but maybe there was some conflict there.

Thanks a ton.

cheers dafydd

On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 4:54 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner hans@at.or.at wrote:

Hey Dafydd,

It seems that you have something funky going on.  I am running Jaunty 9.04 on my machine, and iemlib, zexy, osxc, etc. are all there and working.

.hc

On Wed, 27 May 2009 08:33 -0400, "Dafydd Hughes" dafydd61@gmail.com wrote:

...

Hi Hans-Christoph

Thanks for all you work on this.

These may be eeepc-related issues, but here are a few things I've hit on my eeepc 701/Ubuntu 9.04: zexy: can't load library Looks like no OSC externals, no iemlib. Looks like Pd is only good for 1 run per session. On second run, I can't open any windows (Like loading a patch, New, Test Audio & MIDI) and I need to kill pd manually. (almost certain that's a eeepc issue.)

Like I said, these problems may be eeepc things, but I thought I'd mention. I will keep bashing at it and I'll let you know if I learn anything.

Thanks again.

cheers dafydd

On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 12:02 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner hans@at.or.at wrote:

...

I think this is basically ready to go

http://at.or.at/hans/pd/installers.html

Please test on Windows and give feedback!  I haven't heard anything about Windows.  It's looking ready for release, so please try it if you haven't already so we can find the last bugs.  As far as I know, there aren't any outstanding bugs that need to be fixed for this release.  So I think this is the release.

Test away and file bugs in the bug tracker!

http://puredata.info/dev/bugtracker

This release candidate includes:

• on GNU/Linux, corrected font size when using Tcl/Tk 8.5
• moocow/flite speech synth added on all platforms
• fixed strict-aliasing build problems with cyclone, iemlib, bsaylor, and

sigpack

• (Windows) increased default audio buffer to 100ms since there are some

really flaky audio cards in Windows land

• (Mac OS X) decreased buffers to 20ms since all Apple hardware that I have

tested in the past 7 years works with that

KNOWN BUGS

Check http://puredata.info/dev/bugtracker before reporting bugs, and if you find an existing bug report on the same issue, please add your information there.

• Escape, Enter, and Ctrl/Cmd-W don't close the Path and Startup preferences

• pdp_opengl is alpha and will definitely crash Pd

• loading pdp_opengl will crash Pd if X11 is not open before trying to load

it

---

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