Hi Mathieu,
Mathieu Bouchard wrote:
On Mon, 12 Dec 2005, Piotr Majdak wrote:
Localization: nice-to-have. Stable objects and stable GUI: must-to-have.
Reread the mail you are replying to. What you are replying doesn't take into account what I say. What will users that don't code in C and Tcl do about stable objects and stable GUI?
They use stable pd objects via stable pd GUI. Why should a pd programmer code C/Tcl?
What else can they do? Why prevent them from translating things?
That's not what I said. If someone wants to invest some energy to improve pd, there are issues pd better needs than translation of "Message" to "Nachricht", at least from my point of view. But I don't want to prevent anybody from doing it. As long as pd doesn't support unicode and is not I18n-compliant any localization doesn't matter. But, someday, it'd be very nice to have a localized pd, of course...
Will you help me doing that? I need someone with C and/or Tcl skills, preferably both.
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But who will do all of that?
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However, if you'd like to delegate the task of making decisions like that, I wouldn't refuse some money as it is.
I would like to help. Unfortunately, my focus is not software programming. I use pd as a programming language, and as a user I just want to point to some issues. It's up to developer of pd to take my problems with pd serious (or not).
BTW, users pointing to issues like me shouldn't be back fired like "you have a problem -> go and change it". I am a pd _user_, not developer, I hope you see the difference...
br,
Piotr
On Tue, 13 Dec 2005, Piotr Majdak wrote:
I would like to help. Unfortunately, my focus is not software programming. I use pd as a programming language, and as a user I just want to point to some issues. It's up to developer of pd to take my problems with pd serious (or not). BTW, users pointing to issues like me shouldn't be back fired like "you have a problem -> go and change it". I am a pd _user_, not developer, I hope you see the difference...
We are conscious enough about stability issues as it is... this is getting routinely discussed on pd-list, pd-dev, gem-dev, gridflow-dev, the #dataflow channel, the SF bugtracker, and so on. We agree that it is important - but we don't necessarily have the means to fix all problems, for various reasons.
If people who have even less the means to do so ("users") are pointing out issues like »Nachricht« is better than »Message« then they shouldn't be back fired like "your priorities are all backwards: stability!!!". They're pd _users_, not developers, I hope you see the difference...
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