Hi all,
Pd 0.38 test 4 is available on the usual,
http://www-crca.ucsd.edu/~msp/software.html
The Maintosh version is now a true "application" (no console needed anymore, yay!). Thanks to all of you who helped figure out how to get Mac integration going.
Cutting text now works correctly.
New filters are included, which I'm using for chapter 8 of the long-stalled book...
cheers Miller
On Sep 2, 2004, at 9:52 PM, Miller Puckette wrote:
The Maintosh version is now a true "application" (no console needed anymore, yay!). Thanks to all of you who helped figure out how to get Mac integration going.
...working nicely here, except it seems to be using tcl/tk 8.4.4? The latest AquaTcl/Tk is 8.4.7, which includes all of my CG changes...better yet, they are switchable via setting the tcl variable "tk::mac::useCGDrawing" to 0 or 1...hopefully we can get this working for the final 0.38 :-)
...definitely like the console...but could we ax the /obj? Also
curious as to whether it recognizes help patches internal to itself?
Hard to test on my machine atm due to the many hard coded paths I've
scattered about (and don't want to touch)...
james
Hi James,
So I can just "set tk::mac::useCGDrawing 1" in tcl/tk to turn it on? Sweet... I'll try it.
Also, I'll update teh release procedure to get rid of object files and strip the binaries - this saves about a megabyte in the tarball, so it's well worth doing.
cheers Miller
On Fri, Sep 03, 2004 at 12:31:38AM -0400, James Tittle II wrote:
On Sep 2, 2004, at 9:52 PM, Miller Puckette wrote:
The Maintosh version is now a true "application" (no console needed anymore, yay!). Thanks to all of you who helped figure out how to get Mac integration going.
...working nicely here, except it seems to be using tcl/tk 8.4.4? The latest AquaTcl/Tk is 8.4.7, which includes all of my CG changes...better yet, they are switchable via setting the tcl variable "tk::mac::useCGDrawing" to 0 or 1...hopefully we can get this working for the final 0.38 :-)
...definitely like the console...but could we ax the /obj? Also curious as to whether it recognizes help patches internal to itself?
Hard to test on my machine atm due to the many hard coded paths I've scattered about (and don't want to touch)...james
Works on my machine, nice. A couple comments:
- Why Tcl/Tk 8.4.4? Tcl/Tk 8.4.7 seems to have a lot of worthwhile
improvements.
The Alt key doesn't work for me. Tcl/Tk 8.4.7 might help?
The Pure Documentation menu item needs to be fixed. I think a good
way to solve this would be to make the Help menu a set of nested menus
like this:
Help-| |-1.manual |-2.control.examples-| | |-00.INTRO.txt | |-01.PART1.hello.pd | |-... | |-3.audio.examples-| | |-A00.intro.pd | |-... | |-4.fft.examples-| | |-00.INTRO.txt | |-... | |-...
Each individual file would then be opened with menu_doc_open. This
could be auto-generated from the Makefile or within Tcl with a loop.
It would be the same on all platforms. Opening the manual's index.htm
would be easy on MacOS X, you can just {exec open index.htm} and it
will open the web page in the default browser. I will do this unless
someone else really wants to.
.hc
On Sep 2, 2004, at 9:52 PM, Miller Puckette wrote:
Hi all,
Pd 0.38 test 4 is available on the usual,
http://www-crca.ucsd.edu/~msp/software.html
The Maintosh version is now a true "application" (no console needed anymore, yay!). Thanks to all of you who helped figure out how to get Mac integration going.
Cutting text now works correctly.
New filters are included, which I'm using for chapter 8 of the long-stalled book...
cheers Miller
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deliberately throwing it away
to benefit those who profit from scarcity."
-John Gilmore
Hi Hans Chrostof & James.
I can't seem to get Pd running with the newest tcl/tk yet. There's something mysterious happening. But after I downgraded from 8.4.7 to 8.4.4, then I discovered that actually there's a particular copy of pd/Contents/MacOS/Wish Shell, which is different from the one compiled in "TclTkAquaStandalone", which is the only one that works. The others all fail and write something mysterious to standard error at the first call to "Tcl_Eval" in t_tkcmd.c. If you want to see it yourselves, I think you can just enable DEBUGCONNECT in t_Tkcmd.c and try plugging the files from 8.4.7 standalone into the Pd "app"...
I _think_ the magic copy of "Wish Shell" came from one of the old "package" distributions of Tcl/Tk....
The idea of implementing a whole new file browser as a hierarchical menu is interesting, but there's nothing specific to Pd in the idea... it migth be a better plan to have the thing figure itself on-the-fly and propose it as a generally useful way to browse within a specific directory tree.
Miller
On Fri, Sep 03, 2004 at 01:02:42AM -0400, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
Works on my machine, nice. A couple comments:
- Why Tcl/Tk 8.4.4? Tcl/Tk 8.4.7 seems to have a lot of worthwhile
improvements.
The Alt key doesn't work for me. Tcl/Tk 8.4.7 might help?
The Pure Documentation menu item needs to be fixed. I think a good
way to solve this would be to make the Help menu a set of nested menus
like this:Help-| |-1.manual |-2.control.examples-| | |-00.INTRO.txt | |-01.PART1.hello.pd | |-... | |-3.audio.examples-| | |-A00.intro.pd | |-... | |-4.fft.examples-| | |-00.INTRO.txt | |-... | |-...
Each individual file would then be opened with menu_doc_open. This
could be auto-generated from the Makefile or within Tcl with a loop.
It would be the same on all platforms. Opening the manual's index.htm
would be easy on MacOS X, you can just {exec open index.htm} and it
will open the web page in the default browser. I will do this unless
someone else really wants to..hc
On Sep 2, 2004, at 9:52 PM, Miller Puckette wrote:
Hi all,
Pd 0.38 test 4 is available on the usual,
http://www-crca.ucsd.edu/~msp/software.html
The Maintosh version is now a true "application" (no console needed anymore, yay!). Thanks to all of you who helped figure out how to get Mac integration going.
Cutting text now works correctly.
New filters are included, which I'm using for chapter 8 of the long-stalled book...
cheers Miller
PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management ->
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"[W]e have invented the technology to eliminate scarcity, but we are
deliberately throwing it away to benefit those who profit from scarcity." -John Gilmore
On Sep 4, 2004, at 2:21 PM, Miller Puckette wrote:
Hi Hans Chrostof & James.
I can't seem to get Pd running with the newest tcl/tk yet. There's something mysterious happening. But after I downgraded from 8.4.7 to 8.4.4, then I discovered that actually there's a particular copy of pd/Contents/MacOS/Wish Shell, which is different from the one compiled in "TclTkAquaStandalone", which is the only one that works. The others all fail and write something mysterious to standard error at the first call to "Tcl_Eval" in t_tkcmd.c. If you want to see it
yourselves, I think you can just enable DEBUGCONNECT in t_Tkcmd.c and try plugging the files from 8.4.7 standalone into the Pd "app"...I _think_ the magic copy of "Wish Shell" came from one of the old
"package" distributions of Tcl/Tk....
Gerard Roma's version of Pd.app is built upon the TclTk 8.4.7
Standalone Wish Shell.app. I think he's on vacation, but maybe he can
shed some light on this topic. I know that its based on the devel_0_37
version of Pd and the files to build it are in CVS in
packages/darwin_app.
http://puredata.org/Members/gerard/pd-0.37.4.dmg
The idea of implementing a whole new file browser as a hierarchical
menu is interesting, but there's nothing specific to Pd in the idea... it migth be a better plan to have the thing figure itself on-the-fly and
propose it as a generally useful way to browse within a specific directory
tree.
I took a first stab at it. It figures the menu entries out when Pd
starts.
http://puredata.org/Members/hans/downloads/installers/Pd-0.38 -0test4HCS1.dmg
The diff is included. A procedure called doc_submenu does the
cascading Help menu. It should be recursive, but its not yet.
.hc
Miller
On Fri, Sep 03, 2004 at 01:02:42AM -0400, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
Works on my machine, nice. A couple comments:
- Why Tcl/Tk 8.4.4? Tcl/Tk 8.4.7 seems to have a lot of worthwhile
improvements.
The Alt key doesn't work for me. Tcl/Tk 8.4.7 might help?
The Pure Documentation menu item needs to be fixed. I think a good
way to solve this would be to make the Help menu a set of nested menus like this:
Help-| |-1.manual |-2.control.examples-| | |-00.INTRO.txt | |-01.PART1.hello.pd | |-... | |-3.audio.examples-| | |-A00.intro.pd | |-... | |-4.fft.examples-| | |-00.INTRO.txt | |-... | |-...
Each individual file would then be opened with menu_doc_open. This could be auto-generated from the Makefile or within Tcl with a loop. It would be the same on all platforms. Opening the manual's index.htm would be easy on MacOS X, you can just {exec open index.htm} and it will open the web page in the default browser. I will do this unless someone else really wants to.
.hc
On Sep 2, 2004, at 9:52 PM, Miller Puckette wrote:
Hi all,
Pd 0.38 test 4 is available on the usual,
http://www-crca.ucsd.edu/~msp/software.html
The Maintosh version is now a true "application" (no console needed anymore, yay!). Thanks to all of you who helped figure out how to
get Mac integration going.Cutting text now works correctly.
New filters are included, which I'm using for chapter 8 of the long-stalled book...
cheers Miller
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This is amazing. Thanks for all the hard work, it really paid off.
One other question, somewhat related. Is anybody working on integrating this new OS X stuff into the devel branch? Has there been any more progress with the threaded soundfiler? Last time I tried devel 0.37 the threading seemed to work, but I couldn't get audio in at all. It also died if I tried to use my .pdrc...
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On 2-Sep-04, at 9:52 PM, Miller Puckette wrote:
Hi all,
Pd 0.38 test 4 is available on the usual,
http://www-crca.ucsd.edu/~msp/software.html
The Maintosh version is now a true "application" (no console needed anymore, yay!). Thanks to all of you who helped figure out how to get Mac integration going.
Cutting text now works correctly.
New filters are included, which I'm using for chapter 8 of the long-stalled book...
cheers Miller
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There is going to be a lot of merging coming up as Miller starts using
the SourceForge CVS. This will make it much easier to keep track of
all of these devel additions. But the merging will probably take
awhile, so don't hold your breath.
.hc
On Sep 3, 2004, at 8:45 AM, Matthew Nish-Lapidus wrote:
This is amazing. Thanks for all the hard work, it really paid off.
One other question, somewhat related. Is anybody working on
integrating this new OS X stuff into the devel branch? Has there been
any more progress with the threaded soundfiler? Last time I tried
devel 0.37 the threading seemed to work, but I couldn't get audio in
at all. It also died if I tried to use my .pdrc.../* Matt Nish-Lapidus
www.mn-l.com // www.nishlapidus.com matt@ekran.org // matt@mn-l.com // mattn-l@rogers.com
"What's this fish doing in my ear?" */
On 2-Sep-04, at 9:52 PM, Miller Puckette wrote:
Hi all,
Pd 0.38 test 4 is available on the usual,
http://www-crca.ucsd.edu/~msp/software.html
The Maintosh version is now a true "application" (no console needed anymore, yay!). Thanks to all of you who helped figure out how to get Mac integration going.
Cutting text now works correctly.
New filters are included, which I'm using for chapter 8 of the long-stalled book...
cheers Miller
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(i think my message got lost in miller inbox, so i'll post here now...)
anyone been able to get the .38 test's running on windows? i tried with test 1 and 4, both did this:
http://eds.org/~joschi/r/0.38test4 MSW.PNG
i'm itching to try it :)
-josh
Miller Puckette wrote:
Hi all,
Pd 0.38 test 4 is available on the usual,
http://www-crca.ucsd.edu/~msp/software.html
The Maintosh version is now a true "application" (no console needed anymore, yay!). Thanks to all of you who helped figure out how to get Mac integration going.
Cutting text now works correctly.
New filters are included, which I'm using for chapter 8 of the long-stalled book...
cheers Miller
PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://iem.at/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pd-list
(i think my message got lost in miller inbox, so i'll post here now...)
anyone been able to get the .38 test's running on windows? i tried with test 1 and 4, both did this:
http://eds.org/~joschi/r/0.38test4 MSW.PNG
i'm itching to try it :)
In pd.tk in the first "if" statement block ($pd_nt == 1) there's a line:
load $pd_guidir/bin/pdtcl
change it to:
load $pd_guidir/bin/pdtcl.dll
At least it works for me (0.38test1) :-)
cheers, Bart
Wow, that's wierd.
Of course I'll be happy to stick the ".dll" at the end... the funny thing is, that Pd ran fine on the two windows machines I tried, without it. So, Josh, can you tell us if the fix works?
thanks Miller
On Thu, Sep 09, 2004 at 10:59:01PM +0200, Bartlomiej Bazior wrote:
(i think my message got lost in miller inbox, so i'll post here now...)
anyone been able to get the .38 test's running on windows? i tried with test 1 and 4, both did this:
http://eds.org/~joschi/r/0.38test4 MSW.PNG
i'm itching to try it :)
In pd.tk in the first "if" statement block ($pd_nt == 1) there's a line:
load $pd_guidir/bin/pdtcl
change it to:
load $pd_guidir/bin/pdtcl.dll
At least it works for me (0.38test1) :-)
cheers, Bart
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yep... it worked.
i'm getting some weird redraw issues though, some GOP objects i have that have lots of use of [my_canvas] and other gui widgets apear either invisible or partially drawn, and some object connection lines are stopping prematurely or are invisible. if you want, i can provide a test case and some screenshots.
-josh
Miller Puckette wrote:
Wow, that's wierd.
Of course I'll be happy to stick the ".dll" at the end... the funny thing is, that Pd ran fine on the two windows machines I tried, without it. So, Josh, can you tell us if the fix works?
thanks Miller
On Thu, Sep 09, 2004 at 10:59:01PM +0200, Bartlomiej Bazior wrote:
(i think my message got lost in miller inbox, so i'll post here now...)
anyone been able to get the .38 test's running on windows? i tried with test 1 and 4, both did this:
http://eds.org/~joschi/r/0.38test4 MSW.PNG
i'm itching to try it :)
In pd.tk in the first "if" statement block ($pd_nt == 1) there's a line:
load $pd_guidir/bin/pdtcl
change it to:
load $pd_guidir/bin/pdtcl.dll
At least it works for me (0.38test1) :-)
cheers, Bart
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Sure, if you can find a simple situation where it misbehaves, just send it on (to me personally is OK) with the necessary patch(es) attached...
thanks Miller
On Thu, Sep 09, 2004 at 04:23:42PM -0700, Josh Steiner wrote:
yep... it worked.
i'm getting some weird redraw issues though, some GOP objects i have that have lots of use of [my_canvas] and other gui widgets apear either invisible or partially drawn, and some object connection lines are stopping prematurely or are invisible. if you want, i can provide a test case and some screenshots.
-josh
Miller Puckette wrote:
Wow, that's wierd.
Of course I'll be happy to stick the ".dll" at the end... the funny thing is, that Pd ran fine on the two windows machines I tried, without it. So, Josh, can you tell us if the fix works?
thanks Miller
On Thu, Sep 09, 2004 at 10:59:01PM +0200, Bartlomiej Bazior wrote:
(i think my message got lost in miller inbox, so i'll post here now...)
anyone been able to get the .38 test's running on windows? i tried with test 1 and 4, both did this:
http://eds.org/~joschi/r/0.38test4 MSW.PNG
i'm itching to try it :)
In pd.tk in the first "if" statement block ($pd_nt == 1) there's a line:
load $pd_guidir/bin/pdtcl
change it to:
load $pd_guidir/bin/pdtcl.dll
At least it works for me (0.38test1) :-)
cheers, Bart
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