Hi, I found an acient thread that really interests me a lot!
In Fact, I just compiled 2 ways of doing the phons curves, by Robinson-Dadson, and the ISO226:2003.
I will look now for this iem_matrix object and see what it does. In the meantime, I'm wondering what else more related to the subject there is.
For example, I know now that in Super Colider you can analyze a sound via FFT and it will give you the loudness in sones.
I think I believe I saw something about a MAX object named [loudness] on the net, and I assume it might do something similar.
Do we have something for that in Pd?
Cheers
Alex
ps. Oh yeah, I attached my stuff, the objects are inside my roughness library.
Alexandre Quessy wrote:
- Hi all,*>* *>* I would like to create an abstraction to adjust the amplitude of*>* synthetic sounds according to the ear sensitivity. At a given*>* amplitude, we hear the notes in the middle range louder than the high*>* and low notes. This perceptual property of the audition can be*>* somewhat undesired in a musical work. (in my opinion at least)*>* *>* The equal lines of actual amplitude of notes that seem to have the*>* same loudness are called "isosonic curves". Here are 2 different*>* graphics of these curves :*>* *>* http://www.multimedia.uqam.ca/cours/audio/images/diag/sonpsy_isoson.gif*%3E* http://www.comm.uqam.ca/GRAM/illu/mus/nature/CourbeDIsosonie.GIF*%3E* *>* A few links that might give you a few hint for the calculations :*>* *>* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DB%28A%29*%3E* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weighting_filter*%3E* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stevens%27_power_law*%3E* *>* Anyone would have a formula or a table containing data that could help*>* me to calculate this ? For instance, we would be able to generate sine*>* waves of any frequencies that would be perceived as having the same*>* intensity for all of them, by changing their amplitude according to*>* this leveling formula . This way, we could hear our low freq notes as*>* much as the middle ones. Very valuable. :)*
btw, there is an object in iemmatrix called [mtx_phon_curve] which should give you what you want.
since it is an abstraction, you can even see how the curves are created.
mfga.sdr IOhannes
- *>* Thanks !*
Oops, couldn't find or load the [mtx_phon_curve]. But I got Pd Extended with iemmatrix, what could I be doing wrong? do you all have it?
cheers alex
2010/3/24 Alexandre Porres porres@gmail.com
Hi, I found an acient thread that really interests me a lot!
In Fact, I just compiled 2 ways of doing the phons curves, by Robinson-Dadson, and the ISO226:2003.
I will look now for this iem_matrix object and see what it does. In the meantime, I'm wondering what else more related to the subject there is.
For example, I know now that in Super Colider you can analyze a sound via FFT and it will give you the loudness in sones.
I think I believe I saw something about a MAX object named [loudness] on the net, and I assume it might do something similar.
Do we have something for that in Pd?
Cheers
Alex
ps. Oh yeah, I attached my stuff, the objects are inside my roughness library.
Alexandre Quessy wrote:
- Hi all,*>* *>* I would like to create an abstraction to adjust the amplitude of*>* synthetic sounds according to the ear sensitivity. At a given*>* amplitude, we hear the notes in the middle range louder than the high*>* and low notes. This perceptual property of the audition can be*>* somewhat undesired in a musical work. (in my opinion at least)*>* *>* The equal lines of actual amplitude of notes that seem to have the*>* same loudness are called "isosonic curves". Here are 2 different*>* graphics of these curves :*>* *>* http://www.multimedia.uqam.ca/cours/audio/images/diag/sonpsy_isoson.gif*%3E* http://www.comm.uqam.ca/GRAM/illu/mus/nature/CourbeDIsosonie.GIF*%3E* *>* A few links that might give you a few hint for the calculations :*>* *>* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DB%28A%29*%3E* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weighting_filter*%3E* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stevens%27_power_law*%3E* *>* Anyone would have a formula or a table containing data that could help*>* me to calculate this ? For instance, we would be able to generate sine*>* waves of any frequencies that would be perceived as having the same*>* intensity for all of them, by changing their amplitude according to*>* this leveling formula . This way, we could hear our low freq notes as*>* much as the middle ones. Very valuable. :)*
btw, there is an object in iemmatrix called [mtx_phon_curve] which should give you what you want.
since it is an abstraction, you can even see how the curves are created.
mfga.sdr IOhannes
- *>* Thanks !*
-
Alexandre Porres