All,
Has anyone had any problems using Yves' Grid object with GoP? I find that it places itself way out of the GoP canvas, and when I grab the GoP'd object in Edit mode it actually resizes the GoP window instead of moving the object.
Anyone else experienced this?
On WinXP, Pd .36.
Cheers, David
hi,
sorry, but i'm not surprised, grid is not compliant with the GOP system, it still uses absolute coordinates, i never did the modification neither on any of my objects.
disappointed?
cheers, sevy
David NG McCallum wrote:
All,
Has anyone had any problems using Yves' Grid object with GoP? I find that it places itself way out of the GoP canvas, and when I grab the GoP'd object in Edit mode it actually resizes the GoP window instead of moving the object.
Anyone else experienced this?
On WinXP, Pd .36.
Cheers, David
Ah-ha! Here's a blast from the past!
But seriously, now...
I would like to incorperate Grid into a system of reusable GoP abstractions [like RRADical, etc] that I'll be working on for release next year. Is there anybody out there who would be willing to look at Yves' code and make the changes from absolute to relative coordinates? I would be eternally indebted...
best, d.
Yves Degoyon wrote:
hi,
sorry, but i'm not surprised, grid is not compliant with the GOP system, it still uses absolute coordinates, i never did the modification neither on any of my objects.
disappointed?
cheers, sevy
David NG McCallum wrote:
All,
Has anyone had any problems using Yves' Grid object with GoP? I find that it places itself way out of the GoP canvas, and when I grab the GoP'd object in Edit mode it actually resizes the GoP window instead of moving the object.
Anyone else experienced this?
On WinXP, Pd .36.
Cheers, David
derek holzer wrote:
Ah-ha! Here's a blast from the past!
But seriously, now...
I would like to incorperate Grid into a system of reusable GoP abstractions [like RRADical, etc] that I'll be working on for release next year.
why don't you use ben bogart's "xy" abstraction? it's only native pd object : true cross platform!!!
cyrille
Is there anybody out there who would be willing to look at Yves' code and make the changes from absolute to relative coordinates? I would be eternally indebted...
best, d.
Yves Degoyon wrote:
hi,
sorry, but i'm not surprised, grid is not compliant with the GOP system, it still uses absolute coordinates, i never did the modification neither on any of my objects.
disappointed?
cheers, sevy
David NG McCallum wrote:
All,
Has anyone had any problems using Yves' Grid object with GoP? I find that it places itself way out of the GoP canvas, and when I grab the GoP'd object in Edit mode it actually resizes the GoP window instead of moving the object.
Anyone else experienced this?
On WinXP, Pd .36.
Cheers, David
Hallo, cyrille henry hat gesagt: // cyrille henry wrote:
why don't you use ben bogart's "xy" abstraction? it's only native pd object : true cross platform!!!
This will not work in GOP abstraction as it relies on Editmode. Attached is another xy-controller also "true cross platform". It's done with data structures and fully $0-localized.
Also should serve as some more advertising for my data structures workshop which probably has a hard time finding an audience, as it's in parallel with the sexy PiDiP workshop. ;)
Only thing: It's hard to hit the controller point with the mouse sometimes (send a bang to reinit then) and the controller currently can go outside the patch area. It's easy to restrict it, though, but I was too lazy to implement this.
Ciao
Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org__
Hallo, Frank Barknecht hat gesagt: // Frank Barknecht wrote:
Only thing: It's hard to hit the controller point with the mouse sometimes
A found a hack around this: Add a larger, static object around it. It's attached.
Haha, I now also made it set-able, something AFAICR grid never had.
Stopping for now.
Ciao
Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org__
This will not work in GOP abstraction as it relies on Editmode. Attached is another xy-controller also "true cross platform". It's done with data structures and fully $0-localized.
great. I like it a lot.
Also should serve as some more advertising for my data structures workshop which probably has a hard time finding an audience, as it's in parallel with the sexy PiDiP workshop. ;)
I'll be there! (cross platform is my 1st priority when using pd : I'm on win/linux and most of my patch should be used on osX...) data structure is something that I want to learn for long time...
cyrille
Only thing: It's hard to hit the controller point with the mouse sometimes (send a bang to reinit then) and the controller currently can go outside the patch area. It's easy to restrict it, though, but I was too lazy to implement this.
Ciao
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Hallo, cyrille henry hat gesagt: // cyrille henry wrote:
Also should serve as some more advertising for my data structures workshop which probably has a hard time finding an audience, as it's in parallel with the sexy PiDiP workshop. ;)
I'll be there!
Good to hear. ;)
(cross platform is my 1st priority when using pd : I'm on win/linux and most of my patch should be used on osX...) data structure is something that I want to learn for long time...
Actually I could see a good use for data structures in combination with your physical modelling system. It's possible to visualize physics with the data structures and it's easy to set up from a user perspective (comes with Pd)
Ciao
Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org__
Actually I could see a good use for data structures in combination with your physical modelling system. It's possible to visualize physics with the data structures and it's easy to set up from a user perspective (comes with Pd)
yep.
i made a litle try with canvas (you can see it on the 00_pmpd exemple) : the problem was that position was integer and not float, numerical imprecision where to important.
I also tried with data structure, but then the problem was that i don't have time to finish. but it's still on my todo list...
pmpd as a good place between user action and computer reaction. using data structure is a good solution that I want to try.
Cyrille
Hallo, cyrille henry hat gesagt: // cyrille henry wrote:
i made a litle try with canvas (you can see it on the 00_pmpd exemple) :
I had a big laugh when I saw that one for the first time. ;)
the problem was that position was integer and not float, numerical imprecision where to important.
Data structures also only handle ints (pixel coordinates) but with graph on parent you can actually scale the whole picture, so you at least get the impression, that it's more precise. But then, compared to Gem the framerate just sucks.
I attached a little pmpd variation to whet your appetite. ;)
Ciao
Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org__
great, thanks!
next step would be to get position from the data structure and not from the masses : to be able to move all points.
when bang masses : masses position ->link when bang link : link -> masses -> data structure.
when move data structure : data stucture -> masse
with a trigger b b : -> bang_mass and bang_link, in order to be able to move all the data structure points (and not only the right and left point)
the integer limitation could be a problem, but i realy would like to try...
cyrille
Frank Barknecht wrote:
Hallo, Frank Barknecht hat gesagt: // Frank Barknecht wrote:
I attached a little pmpd variation to whet your appetite. ;)
Oops, small bugfix.
Ciao
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Hallo, cyrille henry hat gesagt: // cyrille henry wrote:
next step would be to get position from the data structure and not from the masses : to be able to move all points.
when bang masses : masses position ->link when bang link : link -> masses -> data structure.
when move data structure : data stucture -> masse
I tried this, but I got some kind of feedback and the string went out of its mind. I then connected the data structure positional output to the lia instead, and this works now: You can "pluck" the string in attached version.
Ciao
Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org__
ok, I'll have deeper look at this after your workshop. I want to be able to take a mass and keep it with the mouse.
by the way, i'm working on a new pmpd version including one new object that could help data structure integration in pmpd patch.
well, i'll comit it as soon as I have time...
thanks Cyrille
Frank Barknecht wrote:
Hallo, cyrille henry hat gesagt: // cyrille henry wrote:
next step would be to get position from the data structure and not from the masses : to be able to move all points.
when bang masses : masses position ->link when bang link : link -> masses -> data structure.
when move data structure : data stucture -> masse
I tried this, but I got some kind of feedback and the string went out of its mind. I then connected the data structure positional output to the lia instead, and this works now: You can "pluck" the string in attached version.
Ciao
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