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Am 14.05.2016 um 02:23 schrieb hans w. koch hansw.koch@gmail.com:
hi eran,
the whole issue has become A LOT easier with the new vanilla version of pd on millers site (Pd 0.47.0) (at least on os x, where i work). it comes with deken preinstalled, whoch is going to replace pd extended or already has. from the help menu choose "find externals“ the e.g. put „iem_ambi“ in the search field and voila, it lists, whats avaiable ( i see newer windows builds too). you can then install witha a simple click and bang, ready. (iem_ambis help patch has dependencies on other iem stuff, so you´d need those too).
hope this helps, greetings from cologne
hans
Am 14.05.2016 um 01:56 schrieb Eran Sachs eransachs@hotmail.com:
Dear list-brain, I wanted to share a little predicament I've encountered, and ask for your input and advice. The issue has to do with working across several platforms. Over the past year I have launched and supervised a little workgroup in the new Program for Experimental Music we are running in Jerusalem. We wanted to get our ears and heads around ambisonics and experiment a little. The group consists of several musicians, mostly MAX users, working on different systems (OSXs, me on Windows - none of us is an experienced Linux user). Our aim was to be able to work collectively but also each develop personal parts of the research. Since our department computer runs on Ubuntu, and since my primary environment (and investment) is in PD, I opted for running our project in PD-extended. Our main library is the iem_ambi, but other iem stuff and additional extended libs prefigure considerably.
So far this has been slightly frustrating, as we cannot find a combination of systems and PD distributions to allow all of us to work and exchange our patches freely. And it's getting harder to retort to the skeptic maxers... Apologies if this has been covered widely before, but issue has become more pertinent now that PD-extended has been discontinued.
Wondering what is your suggested approach for such collaborative projects?
Grateful for all of youse existence in this world, Eran
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Hello Eran, I don't understand the problem. What is making collaboration so difficult? -Jonathan
On Friday, May 13, 2016 8:26 PM, hans w. koch <hansw.koch@gmail.com> wrote:
sorry, forgot to reply to the list…
Am 14.05.2016 um 02:23 schrieb hans w. koch hansw.koch@gmail.com:
hi eran,
the whole issue has become A LOT easier with the new vanilla version of pd on millers site (Pd 0.47.0) (at least on os x, where i work). it comes with deken preinstalled, whoch is going to replace pd extended or already has. from the help menu choose "find externals“ the e.g. put „iem_ambi“ in the search field and voila, it lists, whats avaiable ( i see newer windows builds too). you can then install witha a simple click and bang, ready. (iem_ambis help patch has dependencies on other iem stuff, so you´d need those too).
hope this helps, greetings from cologne
hans
Am 14.05.2016 um 01:56 schrieb Eran Sachs eransachs@hotmail.com:
Dear list-brain, I wanted to share a little predicament I've encountered, and ask for your input and advice. The issue has to do with working across several platforms. Over the past year I have launched and supervised a little workgroup in the new Program for Experimental Music we are running in Jerusalem. We wanted to get our ears and heads around ambisonics and experiment a little. The group consists of several musicians, mostly MAX users, working on different systems (OSXs, me on Windows - none of us is an experienced Linux user). Our aim was to be able to work collectively but also each develop personal parts of the research. Since our department computer runs on Ubuntu, and since my primary environment (and investment) is in PD, I opted for running our project in PD-extended. Our main library is the iem_ambi, but other iem stuff and additional extended libs prefigure considerably.
So far this has been slightly frustrating, as we cannot find a combination of systems and PD distributions to allow all of us to work and exchange our patches freely. And it's getting harder to retort to the skeptic maxers... Apologies if this has been covered widely before, but issue has become more pertinent now that PD-extended has been discontinued.
Wondering what is your suggested approach for such collaborative projects?
Grateful for all of youse existence in this world, Eran
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Well, we were unable to install the latest PD-extended on newer OSXs, and reverting to older versions of extended, coupled with the knowledge that this is an unmaintained software caused some frustration. Consequently, every encounter with disparity between available objects and libs led to additional frustration. We actually didn't try all working on vanilla and adding the libs manually. I think I'm gonna follow Hans' and Patrick's suggestion, which seems like a very basic and reasonable approach. Thanks!Eran Date: Sat, 14 May 2016 01:56:26 +0000 From: jancsika@yahoo.com To: hansw.koch@gmail.com; eransachs@hotmail.com; pd-list@mail.iem.at Subject: Re: [PD] Collaborating across systems/platforms
Hello Eran, I don't understand the problem. What is making collaboration so difficult? -Jonathan On Friday, May 13, 2016 8:26 PM, hans w. koch hansw.koch@gmail.com wrote: sorry, forgot to reply to the list…> Am 14.05.2016 um 02:23 schrieb hans w. koch hansw.koch@gmail.com:> > hi eran,> > the whole issue has become A LOT easier with the new vanilla version of pd on millers site (Pd 0.47.0)> (at least on os x, where i work). it comes with deken preinstalled, whoch is going to replace pd extended or already has.> from the help menu choose "find externals“ the e.g. put „iem_ambi“ in the search field and voila, it lists, whats avaiable ( i see newer windows builds too).> you can then install witha a simple click and bang, ready. (iem_ambis help patch has dependencies on other iem stuff, so you´d need those too).> > hope this helps,> greetings from cologne> > hans> >> Am 14.05.2016 um 01:56 schrieb Eran Sachs eransachs@hotmail.com:>> >> Dear list-brain,>> I wanted to share a little predicament I've encountered, and ask for your input and advice. The issue has to do with working across several platforms. >> Over the past year I have launched and supervised a little workgroup in the new Program for Experimental Music we are running in Jerusalem. We wanted to get our ears and heads around ambisonics and experiment a little. The group consists of several musicians, mostly MAX users, working on different systems (OSXs, me on Windows - none of us is an experienced Linux user). Our aim was to be able to work collectively but also each develop personal parts of the research. Since our department computer runs on Ubuntu, and since my primary environment (and investment) is in PD, I opted for running our project in PD-extended. Our main library is the iem_ambi, but other iem stuff and additional extended libs prefigure considerably. >> >> So far this has been slightly frustrating, as we cannot find a combination of systems and PD distributions to allow all of us to work and exchange our patches freely. And it's getting harder to retort to the skeptic maxers...>> Apologies if this has been covered widely before, but issue has become more pertinent now that PD-extended has been discontinued.>> >> Wondering what is your suggested approach for such collaborative projects?>> >> Grateful for all of youse existence in this world,>> Eran>> >> _______________________________________________>> Pd-list@lists.iem.at mailing list>> UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list%3E _______________________________________________Pd-list@lists.iem.at mailing listUNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Eran It's also helpful to know (IMHO) that 42.5 is the last stable pd-extended. If you want stuff that works post that like Lua/Python you should definitely use vanilla and add manually. And on Linux build from source when possible.
Patrick Pagano B.S, M.F.A Interactive Media & Education +1352.226.2016 https://patrickrpagano.wordpress.com/
On May 13, 2016, at 10:33 PM, Eran Sachs <eransachs@hotmail.commailto:eransachs@hotmail.com> wrote:
Well, we were unable to install the latest PD-extended on newer OSXs, and reverting to older versions of extended, coupled with the knowledge that this is an unmaintained software caused some frustration. Consequently, every encounter with disparity between available objects and libs led to additional frustration.
We actually didn't try all working on vanilla and adding the libs manually. I think I'm gonna follow Hans' and Patrick's suggestion, which seems like a very basic and reasonable approach.
Thanks! Eran ________________________________ Date: Sat, 14 May 2016 01:56:26 +0000 From: jancsika@yahoo.commailto:jancsika@yahoo.com To: hansw.koch@gmail.commailto:hansw.koch@gmail.com; eransachs@hotmail.commailto:eransachs@hotmail.com; pd-list@mail.iem.atmailto:pd-list@mail.iem.at Subject: Re: [PD] Collaborating across systems/platforms
Hello Eran,
I don't understand the problem. What is making collaboration so difficult?
-Jonathan
On Friday, May 13, 2016 8:26 PM, hans w. koch <hansw.koch@gmail.commailto:hansw.koch@gmail.com> wrote:
sorry, forgot to reply to the list…
Am 14.05.2016 um 02:23 schrieb hans w. koch <hansw.koch@gmail.commailto:hansw.koch@gmail.com>:
hi eran,
the whole issue has become A LOT easier with the new vanilla version of pd on millers site (Pd 0.47.0) (at least on os x, where i work). it comes with deken preinstalled, whoch is going to replace pd extended or already has. from the help menu choose "find externals“ the e.g. put „iem_ambi“ in the search field and voila, it lists, whats avaiable ( i see newer windows builds too). you can then install witha a simple click and bang, ready. (iem_ambis help patch has dependencies on other iem stuff, so you´d need those too).
hope this helps, greetings from cologne
hans
Am 14.05.2016 um 01:56 schrieb Eran Sachs <eransachs@hotmail.commailto:eransachs@hotmail.com>:
Dear list-brain, I wanted to share a little predicament I've encountered, and ask for your input and advice. The issue has to do with working across several platforms. Over the past year I have launched and supervised a little workgroup in the new Program for Experimental Music we are running in Jerusalem. We wanted to get our ears and heads around ambisonics and experiment a little. The group consists of several musicians, mostly MAX users, working on different systems (OSXs, me on Windows - none of us is an experienced Linux user). Our aim was to be able to work collectively but also each develop personal parts of the research. Since our department computer runs on Ubuntu, and since my primary environment (and investment) is in PD, I opted for running our project in PD-extended. Our main library is the iem_ambi, but other iem stuff and additional extended libs prefigure considerably.
So far this has been slightly frustrating, as we cannot find a combination of systems and PD distributions to allow all of us to work and exchange our patches freely. And it's getting harder to retort to the skeptic maxers... Apologies if this has been covered widely before, but issue has become more pertinent now that PD-extended has been discontinued.
Wondering what is your suggested approach for such collaborative projects?
Grateful for all of youse existence in this world, Eran
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Thanks for the tip Patrick. The prospect of having to compile sounds scary to non-developer ears... We really do operate in a slightly naive way, without any deep acquaintance with the even the most basic inner workings of Linux. So I believe I will migrate the school's system to L2Ork and switch to Vanilla for the rest of the team.
Cheers! From: pat@digitalworlds.ufl.edu To: eransachs@hotmail.com CC: jancsika@yahoo.com; hansw.koch@gmail.com; pd-list@mail.iem.at Subject: Re: [PD] Collaborating across systems/platforms Date: Sat, 14 May 2016 03:23:34 +0000
Eran It's also helpful to know (IMHO) that 42.5 is the last stable pd-extended. If you want stuff that works post that like Lua/Python you should definitely use vanilla and add manually. And on Linux build from source when possible.
Patrick Pagano B.S, M.F.A Interactive Media & Education +1352.226.2016 https://patrickrpagano.wordpress.com/
On May 13, 2016, at 10:33 PM, Eran Sachs eransachs@hotmail.com wrote:
Well, we were unable to install the latest PD-extended on newer OSXs, and reverting to older versions of extended, coupled with the knowledge that this is an unmaintained software caused some frustration. Consequently, every encounter with disparity between available objects and libs led to additional frustration.
We actually didn't try all working on vanilla and adding the libs manually. I think I'm gonna follow Hans' and Patrick's suggestion, which seems like a very basic and reasonable approach.
Thanks! Eran
Date: Sat, 14 May 2016 01:56:26 +0000
From: jancsika@yahoo.com
To: hansw.koch@gmail.com; eransachs@hotmail.com; pd-list@mail.iem.at
Subject: Re: [PD] Collaborating across systems/platforms
Hello Eran,
I don't understand the problem. What is making collaboration so difficult?
-Jonathan
On Friday, May 13, 2016 8:26 PM, hans w. koch hansw.koch@gmail.com wrote:
sorry, forgot to reply to the list…
Am 14.05.2016 um 02:23 schrieb hans w. koch hansw.koch@gmail.com:
hi eran,
the whole issue has become A LOT easier with the new vanilla version of pd on millers site (Pd 0.47.0) (at least on os x, where i work). it comes with deken preinstalled, whoch is going to replace pd extended or already has. from the help menu choose "find externals“ the e.g. put „iem_ambi“ in the search field and voila, it lists, whats avaiable ( i see newer windows builds too). you can then install witha a simple click and bang, ready. (iem_ambis help patch has dependencies on other iem stuff, so you´d need those too).
hope this helps, greetings from cologne
hans
Am 14.05.2016 um 01:56 schrieb Eran Sachs eransachs@hotmail.com:
Dear list-brain, I wanted to share a little predicament I've encountered, and ask for your input and advice. The issue has to do with working across several platforms.
Over the past year I have launched and supervised a little workgroup in the new Program for Experimental Music we are running in Jerusalem. We wanted to get our ears and heads around ambisonics and experiment a little. The group consists of several musicians,
mostly MAX users, working on different systems (OSXs, me on Windows - none of us is an experienced Linux user). Our aim was to be able to work collectively but also each develop personal parts of the research. Since our department computer runs on Ubuntu, and since my primary environment (and investment) is in PD, I opted for running our project in PD-extended. Our main library is the iem_ambi, but other iem stuff and additional extended libs prefigure considerably.
So far this has been slightly frustrating, as we cannot find a combination of systems and PD distributions to allow all of us to work and exchange our patches freely. And it's getting harder to retort to the skeptic maxers... Apologies if this has been covered widely before, but issue has become more pertinent now that PD-extended has been discontinued.
Wondering what is your suggested approach for such collaborative projects?
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On 05/14/2016 10:52 AM, Eran Sachs wrote:
he prospect of having to compile sounds scary to non-developer ears... We really do operate in a slightly naive way, without any deep acquaintance with the even the most basic inner workings of Linux. So I believe I will migrate the school's system to L2Ork
just to be sure, you are not chasing the wrong horse: Debian (and Ubuntu, since Ubuntu is just a Debian with bells and whistles) comes with more than 80 Pd libraries¹. just do:
sudo apt-get install pd-zexy
i don't think that Pd-l2ork offers more than that.
gfmrda IOhannes
¹ to be fair, these numbers are based on what is currently available in Debian testing. Ubuntu gutsy (or whatever you are using) might have lower numbers.
Thanks IOhannes, I'll make sure to have a look at what I can fetch with sudo zexy before making my mind. Z.
To: pd-list@lists.iem.at From: zmoelnig@iem.at Date: Sat, 14 May 2016 15:02:37 +0200 Subject: Re: [PD] Collaborating across systems/platforms
On 05/14/2016 10:52 AM, Eran Sachs wrote:
he prospect of having to compile sounds scary to non-developer ears... We really do operate in a slightly naive way, without any deep acquaintance with the even the most basic inner workings of Linux. So I believe I will migrate the school's system to L2Ork
just to be sure, you are not chasing the wrong horse: Debian (and Ubuntu, since Ubuntu is just a Debian with bells and whistles) comes with more than 80 Pd libraries¹. just do:
sudo apt-get install pd-zexy
i don't think that Pd-l2ork offers more than that.
gfmrda IOhannes
¹ to be fair, these numbers are based on what is currently available in Debian testing. Ubuntu gutsy (or whatever you are using) might have lower numbers.
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On 5/14/2016 9:02 AM, IOhannes m zmölnig wrote:
i don't think that Pd-l2ork offers more than that.
While I reckon deciding whether pd-l2ork offers more than pd is very much a personal value-driven decision, here are a few things I can think of that are unique to pd-l2ork:
*monolithic distro--one download has it all *infinite undo and a number of usability improvements (advanced auto-patching, tidying up, to-front/back options, etc.) *system-wide presets that can also distinguish between two instances of the same abstraction *K12 mode that allows for newcomers to get started quickly, including easy interfacing with wiimotes, arduinos, and raspberry pis; this mode is interchangeable with the non-K12 modes and has been used in over dozen maker camps and workshops by middle school children all the way up to professionals *accelerated SVG-based GUI (and a new alpha version that uses Chrome's node webkit thanks to the hard work by Jonathan) *unique externals like disis_gpio and disis_spi that offer easy integration with RPi, including software PWM on all GPIOs and many other features *out of box flext support with disis_munger~ *the most complete wiimote support for Linux including passthrough mode and newest wiimote plus devices using a libCwiid fork we maintain as part of pd-l2ork; in L2Ork we connect up to 18 wiimotes in the same space on a regular basis without any problems whatsoever *out of box RTcmix~ external *improved ggee/image external with support for transparencies, pngs, etc. *iemgui objects that have handles for easy resizing and automatic font adjustment *searchable documentation browser *object tooltips *cord inspector *over 1,000 patches and bug-fixes
Best,
Ico
I would have had another alpha release recently, but the OSX machine I use "updated" itself before I could finish building. -Jonathan
On Sunday, May 15, 2016 1:21 PM, Ivica Ico Bukvic <ico@vt.edu> wrote:
On 5/14/2016 9:02 AM, IOhannes m zmölnig wrote:
i don't think that Pd-l2ork offers more than that.
While I reckon deciding whether pd-l2ork offers more than pd is very much a personal value-driven decision, here are a few things I can think of that are unique to pd-l2ork:
*monolithic distro--one download has it all *infinite undo and a number of usability improvements (advanced auto-patching, tidying up, to-front/back options, etc.) *system-wide presets that can also distinguish between two instances of the same abstraction *K12 mode that allows for newcomers to get started quickly, including easy interfacing with wiimotes, arduinos, and raspberry pis; this mode is interchangeable with the non-K12 modes and has been used in over dozen maker camps and workshops by middle school children all the way up to professionals *accelerated SVG-based GUI (and a new alpha version that uses Chrome's node webkit thanks to the hard work by Jonathan) *unique externals like disis_gpio and disis_spi that offer easy integration with RPi, including software PWM on all GPIOs and many other features *out of box flext support with disis_munger~ *the most complete wiimote support for Linux including passthrough mode and newest wiimote plus devices using a libCwiid fork we maintain as part of pd-l2ork; in L2Ork we connect up to 18 wiimotes in the same space on a regular basis without any problems whatsoever *out of box RTcmix~ external *improved ggee/image external with support for transparencies, pngs, etc. *iemgui objects that have handles for easy resizing and automatic font adjustment *searchable documentation browser *object tooltips *cord inspector *over 1,000 patches and bug-fixes
Best,
Ico
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On 05/15/2016 07:21 PM, Ivica Ico Bukvic wrote:
i don't think that Pd-l2ork offers more than that.
While I reckon deciding whether pd-l2ork offers more than pd is very much a personal value-driven decision
sorry. the "more" was soleley a quantative measure about the number of externals shipped, which i thought was clear from the context/content of my mail.
in this sense: i don't think that Pd-l2ork offers more than Debian.
gfmdsr IOhannes
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