On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 11:09 PM, Martin Dupras martindupras@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Husk,
Hi Martin
First of all, I'm a pd-list subscriber and I'm more offended by your post than Simon's, just so that you know.
ok
The image in his email is incorporated into the body, it's a link to a URL: http://email.rwcmd.ac.uk/disclaimer/signature_build.jpg. I believe you jumped to conclusions, and there is no reason why an embedded image link should be considered bad practice.
That's totally right
I abhor fascism in all its forms. Having said that, I know Simon personally and I can vouch for him. The Mussolini video is not something that he posted. It is on his channel but as a favorite. It could very well be spam from someone else, or he might have linked to it because it is a piece of media that he discusses in one of his classes. Once again, there is no need to jump to conclusions.
I jumped to wrong conclusion maybe and I feel sorry for that. See a Mussolini video set myself on fire. For many reason after this stange days in Italy. BTW I don't get how a Mussolini video can ends on favourite video in my youtube channel. Is this youtube page Simon's channel right?
My personal opinion is that you should have emailed Simon and asked him privately before rubbishing him on the mailing list.
I don't think so, because I believe in constructive public and collective discussions (and conflicts too)
cheers husk
I agree that Mussolini should not be a "favorite" but it's simply a way to access files for later recall.
Patrick Pagano B.S.,M.F.A Digital Media Engineer UF Digital Worlds Institute (352)294-2020
On Apr 13, 2011, at 5:23 PM, "Husk 00" husk00@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 11:09 PM, Martin Dupras martindupras@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Husk,
Hi Martin
First of all, I'm a pd-list subscriber and I'm more offended by your post than Simon's, just so that you know.
ok
The image in his email is incorporated into the body, it's a link to a URL: http://email.rwcmd.ac.uk/disclaimer/signature_build.jpg. I believe you jumped to conclusions, and there is no reason why an embedded image link should be considered bad practice.
That's totally right
I abhor fascism in all its forms. Having said that, I know Simon personally and I can vouch for him. The Mussolini video is not something that he posted. It is on his channel but as a favorite. It could very well be spam from someone else, or he might have linked to it because it is a piece of media that he discusses in one of his classes. Once again, there is no need to jump to conclusions.
I jumped to wrong conclusion maybe and I feel sorry for that. See a Mussolini video set myself on fire. For many reason after this stange days in Italy. BTW I don't get how a Mussolini video can ends on favourite video in my youtube channel. Is this youtube page Simon's channel right?
My personal opinion is that you should have emailed Simon and asked him privately before rubbishing him on the mailing list.
I don't think so, because I believe in constructive public and collective discussions (and conflicts too)
cheers husk
-- "when Art become pratical, we call it technology, when Technology become useless we call it Art" Song hojun
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As I'm also writing from Italy, I thought I'd just spend a couple of words about this although it's pretty much off-topic, also hoping the original poster might shed a little light on this.
Pagano, Patrick wrote:
I agree that Mussolini should not be a "favorite" but it's simply a way to access files for later recall.
Mhh, well.. I think "favourite" has a very precise meaning, using favourite as bookmark seems strange.
On Apr 13, 2011, at 5:23 PM, "Husk 00" husk00@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 11:09 PM, Martin Dupras martindupras@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Husk,
Hi Martin
First of all, I'm a pd-list subscriber and I'm more offended by your post than Simon's, just so that you know.
I agree that husk's reaction was maybe a bit too strong, but you have to consider that most people (including myself) are quite sensitive to "Mussoini" here in Italy, especially these days.
[...]
I abhor fascism in all its forms. Having said that, I know Simon personally and I can vouch for him.
Good to hear that Maybe would be good to read it directly from him :)
The Mussolini video is not something that he posted. It is on his channel but as a favorite. It could very well be spam from someone else, or he might have linked to it because it is a piece of media that he discusses in one of his classes. Once again, there is no need to jump to conclusions.
Ok we'll grant him benefit of doubt (but see my considerations on "favourite" - of course if his account was hacked/spammed he has all my simpathy). That said although I'm as much for freedom of ideas and speech I admit having a very strong bias towards someone openly (or less openly) pro-fascism, pro fascist "revisionism" (the intent of historically softening fascism), neo-fascism et. sim. even in a 'mild' way.
I jumped to wrong conclusion maybe and I feel sorry for that. See a Mussolini video set myself on fire. For many reason after this stange days in Italy.
@ Husk... I agree with you. I think you (we) should be enraged in the same way (I am) with all the "La storia di Mussolini", "La storia del fascismo" and similar shit they periodically sell in news-shops with large publicity on TV etc. and probably make big money with.
BTW I don't get how a Mussolini video can ends on favourite video in my youtube channel. Is this youtube page Simon's channel right?
See above.
My personal opinion is that you should have emailed Simon and asked him privately before rubbishing him on the mailing list.
I don't think so, because I believe in constructive public and collective discussions (and conflicts too)
Hopefully this was just some misunderstanding and we can all happily go back to our Pd-ing :)
Lorenzo.
cheers husk
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On 14/04/11 14:46, Lorenzo Sutton wrote:
Mhh, well.. I think "favourite" has a very precise meaning, using favourite as bookmark seems strange.
"Favourite" is used as a the name for what I call a Bookmark in a lot of interfaces - and yes, it does annoy me since Bookmark seem a better metaphor, but a certain OS has been using it for a long time.
Simon
hmmm....What is the context of the Musilini video?
On Thu, Apr 14, 2011 at 7:46 AM, Lorenzo Sutton lsutton@libero.it wrote:
As I'm also writing from Italy, I thought I'd just spend a couple of words about this although it's pretty much off-topic, also hoping the original poster might shed a little light on this.
Pagano, Patrick wrote:
I agree that Mussolini should not be a "favorite" but it's simply a way to access files for later recall.
Mhh, well.. I think "favourite" has a very precise meaning, using favourite as bookmark seems strange.
On Apr 13, 2011, at 5:23 PM, "Husk 00" husk00@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 11:09 PM, Martin Dupras martindupras@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Husk,
Hi Martin
First of all, I'm a pd-list subscriber and I'm more offended by your post than Simon's, just so that you know.
I agree that husk's reaction was maybe a bit too strong, but you have to consider that most people (including myself) are quite sensitive to "Mussoini" here in Italy, especially these days.
[...]
I abhor fascism in all its forms. Having said that, I know Simon personally and I can vouch for him.
Good to hear that Maybe would be good to read it directly from him :)
The Mussolini video is not something that he posted. It is on his channel but as a favorite. It could very well be spam from someone else, or he might have linked to it because it is a piece of media that he discusses in one of his classes. Once again, there is no need to jump to conclusions.
Ok we'll grant him benefit of doubt (but see my considerations on "favourite" - of course if his account was hacked/spammed he has all my simpathy). That said although I'm as much for freedom of ideas and speech I admit having a very strong bias towards someone openly (or less openly) pro-fascism, pro fascist "revisionism" (the intent of historically softening fascism), neo-fascism et. sim. even in a 'mild' way.
I jumped to wrong conclusion maybe and I feel sorry for that. See a Mussolini video set myself on fire. For many reason after this stange days in Italy.
@ Husk... I agree with you. I think you (we) should be enraged in the same way (I am) with all the "La storia di Mussolini", "La storia del fascismo" and similar shit they periodically sell in news-shops with large publicity on TV etc. and probably make big money with.
BTW I don't get how a Mussolini video can ends on favourite video in my youtube channel. Is this youtube page Simon's channel right?
See above.
My personal opinion is that you should have emailed Simon and asked him privately before rubbishing him on the mailing list.
I don't think so, because I believe in constructive public and collective discussions (and conflicts too)
Hopefully this was just some misunderstanding and we can all happily go back to our Pd-ing :)
Lorenzo.
cheers husk
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On Thu, Apr 14, 2011 at 2:03 PM, ALAN BROOKER alan.brooker2010@gmail.com wrote:
hmmm....What is the context of the Musilini video?
On Thu, Apr 14, 2011 at 7:46 AM, Lorenzo Sutton lsutton@libero.it wrote:
As I'm also writing from Italy, I thought I'd just spend a couple of words about this although it's pretty much off-topic, also hoping the original poster might shed a little light on this.
Pagano, Patrick wrote:
I agree that Mussolini should not be a "favorite" but it's simply a way to access files for later recall.
Mhh, well.. I think "favourite" has a very precise meaning, using favourite as bookmark seems strange.
On Apr 13, 2011, at 5:23 PM, "Husk 00" husk00@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 11:09 PM, Martin Dupras martindupras@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Husk,
Hi Martin
First of all, I'm a pd-list subscriber and I'm more offended by your post than Simon's, just so that you know.
I agree that husk's reaction was maybe a bit too strong, but you have to consider that most people (including myself) are quite sensitive to "Mussoini" here in Italy, especially these days.
[...]
I abhor fascism in all its forms. Having said that, I know Simon personally and I can vouch for him.
Good to hear that Maybe would be good to read it directly from him :)
The Mussolini video is not something that he posted. It is on his channel but as a favorite. It could very well be spam from someone else, or he might have linked to it because it is a piece of media that he discusses in one of his classes. Once again, there is no need to jump to conclusions.
Ok we'll grant him benefit of doubt (but see my considerations on "favourite" - of course if his account was hacked/spammed he has all my simpathy). That said although I'm as much for freedom of ideas and speech I admit having a very strong bias towards someone openly (or less openly) pro-fascism, pro fascist "revisionism" (the intent of historically softening fascism), neo-fascism et. sim. even in a 'mild' way.
I jumped to wrong conclusion maybe and I feel sorry for that. See a Mussolini video set myself on fire. For many reason after this stange days in Italy.
@ Husk... I agree with you. I think you (we) should be enraged in the same way (I am) with all the "La storia di Mussolini", "La storia del fascismo" and similar shit they periodically sell in news-shops with large publicity on TV etc. and probably make big money with.
BTW I don't get how a Mussolini video can ends on favourite video in my youtube channel. Is this youtube page Simon's channel right?
See above.
My personal opinion is that you should have emailed Simon and asked him privately before rubbishing him on the mailing list.
I don't think so, because I believe in constructive public and collective discussions (and conflicts too)
Hopefully this was just some misunderstanding and we can all happily go back to our Pd-ing :)
Lorenzo.
cheers husk
-- "when Art become pratical, we call it technology, when Technology become useless we call it Art" Song hojun
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