Chris McCormick wrote:
On 01/04/2012 03:36 PM, ydegoyon@gmail.com wrote:
productivity? that's what we should hate...
fuck yes!
"i define success as not working, and i live like a king." (nofx)
hey chris, i'm droiding party, i see it as the major kewl thing in pd these past years sooo great .... keep the good work ...
regards, sevy
On 01/05/2012 01:04 PM, ydegoyon@gmail.com wrote:
Chris McCormick wrote:
On 01/04/2012 03:36 PM, ydegoyon@gmail.com wrote:
productivity? that's what we should hate...
fuck yes!
"i define success as not working, and i live like a king." (nofx)
hey chris, i'm droiding party, i see it as the major kewl thing in pd these past years sooo great .... keep the good work ...
Hi Yves,
I'm glad you are enjoying the port of Pd.
Thank you very much for CC'ing the list with my private message and outing me as a closet capitalism-hating punk.
http://mccormick.cx/gfx/cas405-180bpm.gif
Cheers,
Chris.
Chris McCormick wrote:
On 01/05/2012 01:04 PM, ydegoyon@gmail.com wrote:
Chris McCormick wrote:
On 01/04/2012 03:36 PM, ydegoyon@gmail.com wrote:
productivity? that's what we should hate...
fuck yes!
"i define success as not working, and i live like a king." (nofx)
hey chris, i'm droiding party, i see it as the major kewl thing in pd these past years sooo great .... keep the good work ...
Hi Yves,
I'm glad you are enjoying the port of Pd.
Thank you very much for CC'ing the list with my private message and outing me as a closet capitalism-hating punk.
http://mccormick.cx/gfx/cas405-180bpm.gif
Cheers,
Chris.
bah you know it's no secret and an honour for you, but if i missed the point, are they any capitalist-loving people on this list ? hum ok maybe...
i'd like to think people make things because they like to do it, not because they are pushed and oppressed by market needs that's what we meant no?
production just means obey, creating is following your own ideas, and maybe you'll get wrong like Steve Jobs ... oh he must be a cat now anyway...
salut! sevy
On 01/06/2012 02:11 PM, ydegoyon@gmail.com wrote:
Chris McCormick wrote:
On 01/05/2012 01:04 PM, ydegoyon@gmail.com wrote:
Chris McCormick wrote:
On 01/04/2012 03:36 PM, ydegoyon@gmail.com wrote:
productivity? that's what we should hate...
fuck yes!
"i define success as not working, and i live like a king." (nofx)
hey chris, i'm droiding party, i see it as the major kewl thing in pd these past years sooo great .... keep the good work ...
I'm glad you are enjoying the port of Pd.
Thank you very much for CC'ing the list with my private message and outing me as a closet capitalism-hating punk.
bah you know it's no secret and an honour for you, but if i missed the point, are they any capitalist-loving people on this list ? hum ok maybe...
"I must say I hate money, but itÂ’s the lack of it that I hate most." Katherine Mansfield
i'd like to think people make things because they like to do it, not because they are pushed and oppressed by market needs that's what we meant no?
Yeh, I know what you mean. I guess we all can't help being pushed by the market. I think these are the reasons I write Software Libre:
thank you for that, Yves!).
directly earning money or later employment).
Well thanks very much to you and everyone else who said nice things.
Cheers,
Chris.
A cat? You don't like the cats? however, at all times cats make what they want, as Steve Jobs... obviously he liked what he made, no? By staying only in the field of the independent persons like developer or artist. Every day, a lot of people like what they do, I hope so. I'm perhaps wrong, but my glance is a little bit different. All people make things because they like to make it, but a little part of them don't assume, they are "pushed and oppressed" by them even, certainly no by what we call: the system (The market is only a part of it). In outlines, choices are simple and do they really exist? (Choice or capacity of adaptation or submission?) We integrate the "in" or the "out" (with reversibility). In fact, there's no "off", no "underground", no "revolution", no "counter-revolution", no "anti...". but there's a place for the "off", it's the place for the "pushed and oppressed" guys, they chose this place. But Offland is a part of the Inland (we mustn't forget that...). The Outland can't have "off", can't have "underground", its revolution is systemic, its conformity... In that case, who obeys? Everybody. In what? In what we could call, the poetry of the life. The rest is only debate of lower middle class persons fed and satisfied whose we form also part...
About production and creation, when a musician for exemple play a second time, just a second time, one of his own opus, can one still name the result a creation? In France we call that diffusion, but with this spirit, all become production, it's certainly that what they call "the cultural exception". A Grand Market with private and public shops, with private and public rules, with a off and its shops too. The spirit, the sense, the arts? Search well, but you will not cross them in these places. There's no shop for dignity. Search them in your curious free and open land. Au plaisir Tad
/ Free and open like the software I use for acting my shit music ??/
ydegoyon@gmail.com a écrit :
Chris McCormick wrote:
On 01/05/2012 01:04 PM, ydegoyon@gmail.com wrote:
Chris McCormick wrote:
On 01/04/2012 03:36 PM, ydegoyon@gmail.com wrote:
productivity? that's what we should hate...
fuck yes!
"i define success as not working, and i live like a king." (nofx)
hey chris, i'm droiding party, i see it as the major kewl thing in pd these past years sooo great .... keep the good work ...
Hi Yves,
I'm glad you are enjoying the port of Pd.
Thank you very much for CC'ing the list with my private message and outing me as a closet capitalism-hating punk.
http://mccormick.cx/gfx/cas405-180bpm.gif
Cheers,
Chris.
bah you know it's no secret and an honour for you, but if i missed the point, are they any capitalist-loving people on this list ? hum ok maybe...
i'd like to think people make things because they like to do it, not because they are pushed and oppressed by market needs that's what we meant no?
production just means obey, creating is following your own ideas, and maybe you'll get wrong like Steve Jobs ... oh he must be a cat now anyway...
salut! sevy
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In fact, there's no "off", no "underground", no "revolution", no "counter-revolution", no "anti...". but there's a place for the "off", it's the place for the "pushed and oppressed" guys, they chose this place. But Offland is a part of the Inland (we mustn't forget that...).
what is this confuse post-capitalism discourse? i'm happy to read the confusion that has been spread in youngster's minds... but classes stilll exist and some people will die of cold in the Outland, good! ( because all is an experience in life, blah blah blah )... For you, we are all happy in a post-capitalist world.
( you are so post-post-post that you get back to primitivism )
the only thing that exists is counter-revolution and you hellp it, thank you.
savy
Thanks for your mature answer dad which shines however less than the moon this evening. Did you see it? Probably not, too archaic for you. A point only, you lend me too much power. Do not forget, I am nothing for you. Do not be afraid, breathe. I'm nothing, just a pair of mislaid ear in the stone age. Have a good beer Tad
/ Free and open like the flintware I use for acting my shit of parietal noise in brutality without petit-bourgeois phantasm Tadbone
/ ydegoyon@gmail.com a écrit :
In fact, there's no "off", no "underground", no "revolution", no "counter-revolution", no "anti...". but there's a place for the "off", it's the place for the "pushed and oppressed" guys, they chose this place. But Offland is a part of the Inland (we mustn't forget that...).
what is this confuse post-capitalism discourse? i'm happy to read the confusion that has been spread in youngster's minds... but classes stilll exist and some people will die of cold in the Outland, good! ( because all is an experience in life, blah blah blah )... For you, we are all happy in a post-capitalist world.
( you are so post-post-post that you get back to primitivism )
the only thing that exists is counter-revolution and you hellp it, thank you.
savy
De: "TAD BISAHA" tadbisaha@gmail.com Cc: "PD List" pd-list@iem.at Envoyé: Lundi 9 Janvier 2012 13:24:22
About production and creation, when a musician for exemple play a second time, just a second time, one of his own opus, can one still name the result a creation?
The opus could be written with a place for creativity, it depends on the musician.
In France we call that diffusion, but with this spirit, all become production, it's certainly that what they call "the cultural exception".
Notice in those several verses that France the only country where we need a license, when it's time to make a public performance, just becomes expensive when it's about to dance.
The opus could be written with a place for creativity, it depends on the musician.
I agree, the artist keeps the control, theoritically. What's happening when many artist (a grand majority in fact) cease acting this artistic 'nature '? Must the bulkys (the neo-archaic), to shout to the world that they are subjected by an injustice? They do what they want, but I think that's more interesting to incorporate this new data and try to to corrupt it by inside. Perhaps I'm wrong, we'll see.
Notice in those several verses that France the only country where we need a license, when it's time to make a public performance, just becomes expensive when it's about to dance.
Not only to dance, and a number too, for every artwork, a code bar. When this system came, first I refused it. The "DRAC" (regional cultural administration) said to me: You act in illegality! I asked them if (symbolically) they are ready to ask a license to Antonin Artaud. No answer, of course. I kept this license 3 years and I stopped this administrative joke. Interessant detail, this license resembles mysteriously a license of tobacco or alcohol seller. Art is toxic, do not misuse! But this system has a fault (not only one), like any system, I explore this fault in all illegality. What is this fault? The nature of all artwork, irreproductibility. No formatted record, no reproduction of the same opus. Like you said:
The opus could be written with a place for creativity, it depends on the musician.
And I add, the concept of every opus must exclude any possibility of reproduction. Rock-Art2noise ( a primates artwork) also answers this requirement In the facts, these "data" become for me an intriguing dogma and surely not an outdated one reactionary attitude. Each is free to act in its please. As for the donors of lessons, which they come to work in the "douce France". We have some interessant dogma for them. Au plaisir, Tad
Patrice Colet a écrit :
De: "TAD BISAHA" tadbisaha@gmail.com Cc: "PD List" pd-list@iem.at Envoyé: Lundi 9 Janvier 2012 13:24:22
About production and creation, when a musician for exemple play a second time, just a second time, one of his own opus, can one still name the result a creation?
The opus could be written with a place for creativity, it depends on the musician.
In France we call that diffusion, but with this spirit, all become production, it's certainly that what they call "the cultural exception".
Notice in those several verses that France the only country where we need a license, when it's time to make a public performance, just becomes expensive when it's about to dance.