Hi, usually I install the 64 bits version of, but the last time, I dont remember why : ) (maybe to avoid any problems) I installed the 32 bits version of Ubuntu 10.04 LTS. Is a repo of pd-extended for 10.04 available? And about the 32 vs 64 bits, what are your choices? And what about distros? Pure:dyne seems more lightweight with his xfce desktop, however I have a good processor (core 2 duo intel e7200) and 2gb of ram, planning an update to 6gb, so I dont know if xfce is a must for me. Im a "veteran" gnu/linux user, but the last years I was using OS X and W7 for music making. In Linux I want to use pd, Renoise (its available as 64 bits too), and wine for some vsts.
Ubuntu can use xfce (Xubuntu by default or *apt*-*get install xfce4, **anyway its always up to you :)* **Personally, I have Ubuntu Studio 64 bits with pd-extended, but due to isues with some 64b stuff (firewire drivers and video tracking software) I tend to use Ubuntu 32b. I have kde, xfce and gnome on all, but I normally use gnome or rarely xfce when in need of extra CPU.
p.s.: my 32b Ubuntu is patched with rt-kernel. Studio has that by default if I'm not mistaken. Both are 9.10, I'm not very keen at having the latest version for the same reason stated above.
For pd builds: http://autobuild.puredata.info/auto-build/ (there's builds for Lynx)
p.s.2: Renoise works very well on both systems :) Awesome application if you like old skool trackers.
On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 6:59 PM, jm jones juanmjv@gmail.com wrote:
Hi, usually I install the 64 bits version of, but the last time, I dont remember why : ) (maybe to avoid any problems) I installed the 32 bits version of Ubuntu 10.04 LTS. Is a repo of pd-extended for 10.04 available? And about the 32 vs 64 bits, what are your choices? And what about distros? Pure:dyne seems more lightweight with his xfce desktop, however I have a good processor (core 2 duo intel e7200) and 2gb of ram, planning an update to 6gb, so I dont know if xfce is a must for me. Im a "veteran" gnu/linux user, but the last years I was using OS X and W7 for music making. In Linux I want to use pd, Renoise (its available as 64 bits too), and wine for some vsts.
-- JM Jones
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2010/9/13 Pedro Lopes pedro.lopes@ist.utl.pt:
Ubuntu can use xfce (Xubuntu by default or apt-get install xfce4, anyway its always up to you :) Personally, I have Ubuntu Studio 64 bits with pd-extended, but due to isues with some 64b stuff (firewire drivers and video tracking software) I tend to use Ubuntu 32b. I have kde, xfce and gnome on all, but I normally use gnome or rarely xfce when in need of extra CPU. p.s.: my 32b Ubuntu is patched with rt-kernel. Studio has that by default if I'm not mistaken. Both are 9.10, I'm not very keen at having the latest version for the same reason stated above. For pd builds: http://autobuild.puredata.info/auto-build/%C2%A0(there%27s builds for Lynx) p.s.2: Renoise works very well on both systems :) Awesome application if you like old skool trackers.
And if you like "new skool" DAW trackers too : ) Currently I tweaked Ubuntu 10.04 myself (jack works with pulse audio, is initialized at boot), because of bad experiences with ubuntu studio before. I use a rt kernel too.
I prefer KDE for desktop everyday usage. When I need more performance I use OpenBox. It is really minimal and customizable with an clean autostart script where you can tell what you want.
I don't really like Xcfe because it compromises the desktop and it is not as minimal as OpenBox. It is good if you have an very old machine.
2010/9/13 Pedro Lopes pedro.lopes@ist.utl.pt:
Ubuntu can use xfce (Xubuntu by default or apt-get install xfce4, anyway its always up to you :) Personally, I have Ubuntu Studio 64 bits with pd-extended, but due to isues with some 64b stuff (firewire drivers and video tracking software) I tend to use Ubuntu 32b. I have kde, xfce and gnome on all, but I normally use gnome or rarely xfce when in need of extra CPU. p.s.: my 32b Ubuntu is patched with rt-kernel. Studio has that by default if I'm not mistaken. Both are 9.10, I'm not very keen at having the latest version for the same reason stated above. For pd builds: http://autobuild.puredata.info/auto-build/%C2%A0(there%27s builds for Lynx) p.s.2: Renoise works very well on both systems :) Awesome application if you like old skool trackers.
On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 6:59 PM, jm jones juanmjv@gmail.com wrote:
Hi, usually I install the 64 bits version of, but the last time, I dont remember why : ) (maybe to avoid any problems) I installed the 32 bits version of Ubuntu 10.04 LTS. Is a repo of pd-extended for 10.04 available? And about the 32 vs 64 bits, what are your choices? And what about distros? Pure:dyne seems more lightweight with his xfce desktop, however I have a good processor (core 2 duo intel e7200) and 2gb of ram, planning an update to 6gb, so I dont know if xfce is a must for me. Im a "veteran" gnu/linux user, but the last years I was using OS X and W7 for music making. In Linux I want to use pd, Renoise (its available as 64 bits too), and wine for some vsts.
-- JM Jones
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-- Pedro Lopes (ongoing MSc) contact: pedro.lopes@ist.utl.pt website: http://web.ist.utl.pt/Pedro.Lopes
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On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 7:59 PM, jm jones juanmjv@gmail.com wrote:
Hi, usually I install the 64 bits version of, but the last time, I dont remember why : ) (maybe to avoid any problems) I installed the 32 bits version of Ubuntu 10.04 LTS. Is a repo of pd-extended for 10.04 available? And about the 32 vs 64 bits, what are your choices? And what about distros? Pure:dyne seems more lightweight with his xfce desktop, however I have a good processor (core 2 duo intel e7200) and 2gb of ram, planning an update to 6gb, so I dont know if xfce is a must for me. Im a "veteran" gnu/linux user, but the last years I was using OS X and W7 for music making. In Linux I want to use pd, Renoise (its available as 64 bits too), and wine for some vsts.
Hi There,
I'm sort of a veteran too (started on IBM AIX in 1992, used Red Hat for a long time, then went back to Windows 98, later XP, which i gave up finally a few years ago). I'm using vanilla Ubuntu 10.04 64-bit with Gnome (and 2GB of memory), and my impression is that it's not the WM that makes things slow, but in the case of Pd, it's Pd itself. Read the archives on GUI<->core communication and Tcl/Tk weirdnesses. The 64-bit version of Pd is quite tidy now, well actually there was a time when it seemed to me a bit slower than the 32-bit version, but AFAIK there's no reason for that any more (?) With a decent CPU and that huge amount of RAM you (will) have, it really cannot be a question of WM whatsoever. Of course, the system has to be tuned for realtime, undisturbed audio usage, which may include getting rid of eye-candy functions, but i never experienced a problem with those. After all, they use openGL, don't they? The same stands for pure:dyne; at the core it's a linux kernel, and what you install on (or remove from) the top, it's up to you. The only thing i'm missing here on 64-bit is the RT kernel. Once i find a nice quick way, i'll grab it, but i'm not really into home-brewing my kernel. :)
Andras
Planet CCRMA offers rt-kernel for x86_64 systems. Give it a try.
2010/9/13 András Murányi muranyia@gmail.com:
On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 7:59 PM, jm jones juanmjv@gmail.com wrote:
Hi, usually I install the 64 bits version of, but the last time, I dont remember why : ) (maybe to avoid any problems) I installed the 32 bits version of Ubuntu 10.04 LTS. Is a repo of pd-extended for 10.04 available? And about the 32 vs 64 bits, what are your choices? And what about distros? Pure:dyne seems more lightweight with his xfce desktop, however I have a good processor (core 2 duo intel e7200) and 2gb of ram, planning an update to 6gb, so I dont know if xfce is a must for me. Im a "veteran" gnu/linux user, but the last years I was using OS X and W7 for music making. In Linux I want to use pd, Renoise (its available as 64 bits too), and wine for some vsts.
Hi There,
I'm sort of a veteran too (started on IBM AIX in 1992, used Red Hat for a long time, then went back to Windows 98, later XP, which i gave up finally a few years ago). I'm using vanilla Ubuntu 10.04 64-bit with Gnome (and 2GB of memory), and my impression is that it's not the WM that makes things slow, but in the case of Pd, it's Pd itself. Read the archives on GUI<->core communication and Tcl/Tk weirdnesses. The 64-bit version of Pd is quite tidy now, well actually there was a time when it seemed to me a bit slower than the 32-bit version, but AFAIK there's no reason for that any more (?) With a decent CPU and that huge amount of RAM you (will) have, it really cannot be a question of WM whatsoever. Of course, the system has to be tuned for realtime, undisturbed audio usage, which may include getting rid of eye-candy functions, but i never experienced a problem with those. After all, they use openGL, don't they? The same stands for pure:dyne; at the core it's a linux kernel, and what you install on (or remove from) the top, it's up to you. The only thing i'm missing here on 64-bit is the RT kernel. Once i find a nice quick way, i'll grab it, but i'm not really into home-brewing my kernel. :)
Andras
Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Hmm, hmm. That means switching to Fedora, right?
2010/9/13 Bernardo Barros bernardobarros2@gmail.com
Planet CCRMA offers rt-kernel for x86_64 systems. Give it a try.
2010/9/13 András Murányi muranyia@gmail.com:
On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 7:59 PM, jm jones juanmjv@gmail.com wrote:
Hi, usually I install the 64 bits version of, but the last time, I dont remember why : ) (maybe to avoid any problems) I installed the 32 bits version of Ubuntu 10.04 LTS. Is a repo of pd-extended for 10.04 available? And about the 32 vs 64 bits, what are your choices? And what about distros? Pure:dyne seems more lightweight with his xfce desktop, however I have a good processor (core 2 duo intel e7200) and 2gb of ram, planning an update to 6gb, so I dont know if xfce is a must for me. Im a "veteran" gnu/linux user, but the last years I was using OS X and W7 for music making. In Linux I want to use pd, Renoise (its available as 64 bits too), and wine for some vsts.
Hi There,
I'm sort of a veteran too (started on IBM AIX in 1992, used Red Hat for a long time, then went back to Windows 98, later XP, which i gave up
finally a
few years ago). I'm using vanilla Ubuntu 10.04 64-bit with Gnome (and 2GB of memory), and
my
impression is that it's not the WM that makes things slow, but in the
case
of Pd, it's Pd itself. Read the archives on GUI<->core communication and Tcl/Tk weirdnesses. The 64-bit version of Pd is quite tidy now, well actually there was a time when it seemed to me a bit slower than the
32-bit
version, but AFAIK there's no reason for that any more (?) With a decent CPU and that huge amount of RAM you (will) have, it really cannot be a question of WM whatsoever. Of course, the system has to be
tuned
for realtime, undisturbed audio usage, which may include getting rid of eye-candy functions, but i never experienced a problem with those. After all, they use openGL, don't they? The same stands for pure:dyne; at the core it's a linux kernel, and what
you
install on (or remove from) the top, it's up to you. The only thing i'm missing here on 64-bit is the RT kernel. Once i find a nice quick way, i'll grab it, but i'm not really into home-brewing my kernel. :)
yes, planet_ccrma is a repo for the Fedora/CentOS/RedHat family I like it
2010/9/13 András Murányi muranyia@gmail.com:
Hmm, hmm. That means switching to Fedora, right?
2010/9/13 Bernardo Barros bernardobarros2@gmail.com
Planet CCRMA offers rt-kernel for x86_64 systems. Give it a try.
2010/9/13 András Murányi muranyia@gmail.com:
On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 7:59 PM, jm jones juanmjv@gmail.com wrote:
Hi, usually I install the 64 bits version of, but the last time, I dont remember why : ) (maybe to avoid any problems) I installed the 32 bits version of Ubuntu 10.04 LTS. Is a repo of pd-extended for 10.04 available? And about the 32 vs 64 bits, what are your choices? And what about distros? Pure:dyne seems more lightweight with his xfce desktop, however I have a good processor (core 2 duo intel e7200) and 2gb of ram, planning an update to 6gb, so I dont know if xfce is a must for me. Im a "veteran" gnu/linux user, but the last years I was using OS X and W7 for music making. In Linux I want to use pd, Renoise (its available as 64 bits too), and wine for some vsts.
Hi There,
I'm sort of a veteran too (started on IBM AIX in 1992, used Red Hat for a long time, then went back to Windows 98, later XP, which i gave up finally a few years ago). I'm using vanilla Ubuntu 10.04 64-bit with Gnome (and 2GB of memory), and my impression is that it's not the WM that makes things slow, but in the case of Pd, it's Pd itself. Read the archives on GUI<->core communication and Tcl/Tk weirdnesses. The 64-bit version of Pd is quite tidy now, well actually there was a time when it seemed to me a bit slower than the 32-bit version, but AFAIK there's no reason for that any more (?) With a decent CPU and that huge amount of RAM you (will) have, it really cannot be a question of WM whatsoever. Of course, the system has to be tuned for realtime, undisturbed audio usage, which may include getting rid of eye-candy functions, but i never experienced a problem with those. After all, they use openGL, don't they? The same stands for pure:dyne; at the core it's a linux kernel, and what you install on (or remove from) the top, it's up to you. The only thing i'm missing here on 64-bit is the RT kernel. Once i find a nice quick way, i'll grab it, but i'm not really into home-brewing my kernel. :)
Hhh, switching distro seems harder than moving to another country sometimes... :o) I heard that some non-free stuff if missing from Fedora, does CCRMA have these? Like some proprietary codecs, etc...
2010/9/13 Bernardo Barros bernardobarros2@gmail.com
yes, planet_ccrma is a repo for the Fedora/CentOS/RedHat family I like it
2010/9/13 András Murányi muranyia@gmail.com:
Hmm, hmm. That means switching to Fedora, right?
2010/9/13 Bernardo Barros bernardobarros2@gmail.com
Planet CCRMA offers rt-kernel for x86_64 systems. Give it a try.
2010/9/13 András Murányi muranyia@gmail.com:
On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 7:59 PM, jm jones juanmjv@gmail.com wrote:
Hi, usually I install the 64 bits version of, but the last time, I dont remember why : ) (maybe to avoid any problems) I installed the
32
bits version of Ubuntu 10.04 LTS. Is a repo of pd-extended for 10.04 available? And about the 32 vs 64 bits, what are your choices? And what about distros? Pure:dyne seems more lightweight with his xfce desktop, however I have a good processor (core 2 duo intel e7200) and 2gb of ram, planning an update to 6gb, so I dont know if xfce is a must for me. Im a "veteran" gnu/linux user, but the last years I was using OS X
and
W7 for music making. In Linux I want to use pd, Renoise (its
available
as 64 bits too), and wine for some vsts.
Hi There,
I'm sort of a veteran too (started on IBM AIX in 1992, used Red Hat
for
a long time, then went back to Windows 98, later XP, which i gave up finally a few years ago). I'm using vanilla Ubuntu 10.04 64-bit with Gnome (and 2GB of memory), and my impression is that it's not the WM that makes things slow, but in the case of Pd, it's Pd itself. Read the archives on GUI<->core communication
and
Tcl/Tk weirdnesses. The 64-bit version of Pd is quite tidy now, well actually there was a time when it seemed to me a bit slower than the 32-bit version, but AFAIK there's no reason for that any more (?) With a decent CPU and that huge amount of RAM you (will) have, it
really
cannot be a question of WM whatsoever. Of course, the system has to be tuned for realtime, undisturbed audio usage, which may include getting rid
of
eye-candy functions, but i never experienced a problem with those.
After
all, they use openGL, don't they? The same stands for pure:dyne; at the core it's a linux kernel, and
what
you install on (or remove from) the top, it's up to you. The only thing i'm missing here on 64-bit is the RT kernel. Once i
find
a nice quick way, i'll grab it, but i'm not really into home-brewing my kernel. :)
Then you have to add Fusion free+non-free (maybe livna?) to your repos.
2010/9/13 András Murányi muranyia@gmail.com:
Hhh, switching distro seems harder than moving to another country sometimes... :o) I heard that some non-free stuff if missing from Fedora, does CCRMA have these? Like some proprietary codecs, etc...
2010/9/13 Bernardo Barros bernardobarros2@gmail.com
yes, planet_ccrma is a repo for the Fedora/CentOS/RedHat family I like it
2010/9/13 András Murányi muranyia@gmail.com:
Hmm, hmm. That means switching to Fedora, right?
2010/9/13 Bernardo Barros bernardobarros2@gmail.com
Planet CCRMA offers rt-kernel for x86_64 systems. Give it a try.
2010/9/13 András Murányi muranyia@gmail.com:
On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 7:59 PM, jm jones juanmjv@gmail.com wrote:
Hi, usually I install the 64 bits version of, but the last time, I dont remember why : ) (maybe to avoid any problems) I installed the 32 bits version of Ubuntu 10.04 LTS. Is a repo of pd-extended for 10.04 available? And about the 32 vs 64 bits, what are your choices? And what about distros? Pure:dyne seems more lightweight with his xfce desktop, however I have a good processor (core 2 duo intel e7200) and 2gb of ram, planning an update to 6gb, so I dont know if xfce is a must for me. Im a "veteran" gnu/linux user, but the last years I was using OS X and W7 for music making. In Linux I want to use pd, Renoise (its available as 64 bits too), and wine for some vsts.
Hi There,
I'm sort of a veteran too (started on IBM AIX in 1992, used Red Hat for a long time, then went back to Windows 98, later XP, which i gave up finally a few years ago). I'm using vanilla Ubuntu 10.04 64-bit with Gnome (and 2GB of memory), and my impression is that it's not the WM that makes things slow, but in the case of Pd, it's Pd itself. Read the archives on GUI<->core communication and Tcl/Tk weirdnesses. The 64-bit version of Pd is quite tidy now, well actually there was a time when it seemed to me a bit slower than the 32-bit version, but AFAIK there's no reason for that any more (?) With a decent CPU and that huge amount of RAM you (will) have, it really cannot be a question of WM whatsoever. Of course, the system has to be tuned for realtime, undisturbed audio usage, which may include getting rid of eye-candy functions, but i never experienced a problem with those. After all, they use openGL, don't they? The same stands for pure:dyne; at the core it's a linux kernel, and what you install on (or remove from) the top, it's up to you. The only thing i'm missing here on 64-bit is the RT kernel. Once i find a nice quick way, i'll grab it, but i'm not really into home-brewing my kernel. :)
-- Muranyi Andras
Ahh, livna.... You know, know that i have convinced my Fedora friends to switch to Ubuntu, what do I tall them when i go back? :o) I'll take a look at it, and also at home-brewing a kernel. Maybe that's the way forward.
Thanks, Andras
2010/9/13 Bernardo Barros bernardobarros2@gmail.com
Then you have to add Fusion free+non-free (maybe livna?) to your repos.
2010/9/13 András Murányi muranyia@gmail.com:
Hhh, switching distro seems harder than moving to another country sometimes... :o) I heard that some non-free stuff if missing from Fedora, does CCRMA have these? Like some proprietary codecs, etc...
2010/9/13 Bernardo Barros bernardobarros2@gmail.com
yes, planet_ccrma is a repo for the Fedora/CentOS/RedHat family I like it
2010/9/13 András Murányi muranyia@gmail.com:
Hmm, hmm. That means switching to Fedora, right?
2010/9/13 Bernardo Barros bernardobarros2@gmail.com
Planet CCRMA offers rt-kernel for x86_64 systems. Give it a try.
2010/9/13 András Murányi muranyia@gmail.com:
On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 7:59 PM, jm jones juanmjv@gmail.com
wrote:
> > Hi, usually I install the 64 bits version of, but the last time, I > dont remember why : ) (maybe to avoid any problems) I installed
the
> 32 > bits version of Ubuntu 10.04 LTS. Is a repo of pd-extended for
10.04
> available? > And about the 32 vs 64 bits, what are your choices? And what
about
> distros? Pure:dyne seems more lightweight with his xfce desktop, > however I have a good processor (core 2 duo intel e7200) and 2gb
of
> ram, planning an update to 6gb, so I dont know if xfce is a must
for
> me. > Im a "veteran" gnu/linux user, but the last years I was using OS X > and > W7 for music making. In Linux I want to use pd, Renoise (its > available > as 64 bits too), and wine for some vsts. >
Hi There,
I'm sort of a veteran too (started on IBM AIX in 1992, used Red Hat for a long time, then went back to Windows 98, later XP, which i gave up finally a few years ago). I'm using vanilla Ubuntu 10.04 64-bit with Gnome (and 2GB of
memory),
and my impression is that it's not the WM that makes things slow, but in
the
case of Pd, it's Pd itself. Read the archives on GUI<->core
communication
and Tcl/Tk weirdnesses. The 64-bit version of Pd is quite tidy now,
well
actually there was a time when it seemed to me a bit slower than
the
32-bit version, but AFAIK there's no reason for that any more (?) With a decent CPU and that huge amount of RAM you (will) have, it really cannot be a question of WM whatsoever. Of course, the system has to be tuned for realtime, undisturbed audio usage, which may include getting
rid
of eye-candy functions, but i never experienced a problem with those. After all, they use openGL, don't they? The same stands for pure:dyne; at the core it's a linux kernel, and what you install on (or remove from) the top, it's up to you. The only thing i'm missing here on 64-bit is the RT kernel. Once i find a nice quick way, i'll grab it, but i'm not really into home-brewing
my
kernel. :)
-- Muranyi Andras
Sorry just double checking something András... there's no rt kernel for 64 bits Ubuntu? (or you're saying for the lucid lynx?)
Cause karmic koala has rt, I have Ubuntu Studio 64 bits with rt [1]
[1] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/9.10release_notes
2010/9/13 András Murányi muranyia@gmail.com
Ahh, livna.... You know, know that i have convinced my Fedora friends to switch to Ubuntu, what do I tall them when i go back? :o) I'll take a look at it, and also at home-brewing a kernel. Maybe that's the way forward.
Thanks, Andras
2010/9/13 Bernardo Barros bernardobarros2@gmail.com
Then you have to add Fusion free+non-free (maybe livna?) to your repos.
2010/9/13 András Murányi muranyia@gmail.com:
Hhh, switching distro seems harder than moving to another country sometimes... :o) I heard that some non-free stuff if missing from Fedora, does CCRMA have these? Like some proprietary codecs, etc...
2010/9/13 Bernardo Barros bernardobarros2@gmail.com
yes, planet_ccrma is a repo for the Fedora/CentOS/RedHat family I like it
2010/9/13 András Murányi muranyia@gmail.com:
Hmm, hmm. That means switching to Fedora, right?
2010/9/13 Bernardo Barros bernardobarros2@gmail.com
Planet CCRMA offers rt-kernel for x86_64 systems. Give it a try.
2010/9/13 András Murányi muranyia@gmail.com: > On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 7:59 PM, jm jones juanmjv@gmail.com
wrote:
>> >> Hi, usually I install the 64 bits version of, but the last time,
I
>> dont remember why : ) (maybe to avoid any problems) I installed
the
>> 32 >> bits version of Ubuntu 10.04 LTS. Is a repo of pd-extended for
10.04
>> available? >> And about the 32 vs 64 bits, what are your choices? And what
about
>> distros? Pure:dyne seems more lightweight with his xfce desktop, >> however I have a good processor (core 2 duo intel e7200) and 2gb
of
>> ram, planning an update to 6gb, so I dont know if xfce is a must
for
>> me. >> Im a "veteran" gnu/linux user, but the last years I was using OS
X
>> and >> W7 for music making. In Linux I want to use pd, Renoise (its >> available >> as 64 bits too), and wine for some vsts. >> > > Hi There, > > I'm sort of a veteran too (started on IBM AIX in 1992, used Red
Hat
> for > a > long time, then went back to Windows 98, later XP, which i gave up > finally a > few years ago). > I'm using vanilla Ubuntu 10.04 64-bit with Gnome (and 2GB of
memory),
> and my > impression is that it's not the WM that makes things slow, but in
the
> case > of Pd, it's Pd itself. Read the archives on GUI<->core
communication
> and > Tcl/Tk weirdnesses. The 64-bit version of Pd is quite tidy now,
well
> actually there was a time when it seemed to me a bit slower than
the
> 32-bit > version, but AFAIK there's no reason for that any more (?) > With a decent CPU and that huge amount of RAM you (will) have, it > really > cannot be a question of WM whatsoever. Of course, the system has
to
> be > tuned > for realtime, undisturbed audio usage, which may include getting
rid
> of > eye-candy functions, but i never experienced a problem with those. > After > all, they use openGL, don't they? > The same stands for pure:dyne; at the core it's a linux kernel,
and
> what > you > install on (or remove from) the top, it's up to you. > The only thing i'm missing here on 64-bit is the RT kernel. Once i > find > a > nice quick way, i'll grab it, but i'm not really into home-brewing
my
> kernel. :) >
-- Muranyi Andras
-- Muranyi Andras
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Nope. It's gone. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1388451
Andras
2010/9/13 Pedro Lopes pedro.lopes@ist.utl.pt
Sorry just double checking something András... there's no rt kernel for 64 bits Ubuntu? (or you're saying for the lucid lynx?)
Cause karmic koala has rt, I have Ubuntu Studio 64 bits with rt [1]
[1] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/9.10release_notes
2010/9/13 András Murányi muranyia@gmail.com
Ahh, livna.... You know, know that i have convinced my Fedora friends to switch to Ubuntu, what do I tall them when i go back? :o) I'll take a look at it, and also at home-brewing a kernel. Maybe that's the way forward.
Thanks, Andras
2010/9/13 Bernardo Barros bernardobarros2@gmail.com
Then you have to add Fusion free+non-free (maybe livna?) to your repos.
2010/9/13 András Murányi muranyia@gmail.com:
Hhh, switching distro seems harder than moving to another country sometimes... :o) I heard that some non-free stuff if missing from Fedora, does CCRMA
have
these? Like some proprietary codecs, etc...
2010/9/13 Bernardo Barros bernardobarros2@gmail.com
yes, planet_ccrma is a repo for the Fedora/CentOS/RedHat family I like it
2010/9/13 András Murányi muranyia@gmail.com:
Hmm, hmm. That means switching to Fedora, right?
2010/9/13 Bernardo Barros bernardobarros2@gmail.com > > Planet CCRMA offers rt-kernel for x86_64 systems. Give it a try. > > 2010/9/13 András Murányi muranyia@gmail.com: > > On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 7:59 PM, jm jones juanmjv@gmail.com
wrote:
> >> > >> Hi, usually I install the 64 bits version of, but the last time,
I
> >> dont remember why : ) (maybe to avoid any problems) I installed
the
> >> 32 > >> bits version of Ubuntu 10.04 LTS. Is a repo of pd-extended for
10.04
> >> available? > >> And about the 32 vs 64 bits, what are your choices? And what
about
> >> distros? Pure:dyne seems more lightweight with his xfce desktop, > >> however I have a good processor (core 2 duo intel e7200) and 2gb
of
> >> ram, planning an update to 6gb, so I dont know if xfce is a must
for
> >> me. > >> Im a "veteran" gnu/linux user, but the last years I was using OS
X
> >> and > >> W7 for music making. In Linux I want to use pd, Renoise (its > >> available > >> as 64 bits too), and wine for some vsts. > >> > > > > Hi There, > > > > I'm sort of a veteran too (started on IBM AIX in 1992, used Red
Hat
> > for > > a > > long time, then went back to Windows 98, later XP, which i gave
up
> > finally a > > few years ago). > > I'm using vanilla Ubuntu 10.04 64-bit with Gnome (and 2GB of
memory),
> > and my > > impression is that it's not the WM that makes things slow, but in
the
> > case > > of Pd, it's Pd itself. Read the archives on GUI<->core
communication
> > and > > Tcl/Tk weirdnesses. The 64-bit version of Pd is quite tidy now,
well
> > actually there was a time when it seemed to me a bit slower than
the
> > 32-bit > > version, but AFAIK there's no reason for that any more (?) > > With a decent CPU and that huge amount of RAM you (will) have, it > > really > > cannot be a question of WM whatsoever. Of course, the system has
to
> > be > > tuned > > for realtime, undisturbed audio usage, which may include getting
rid
> > of > > eye-candy functions, but i never experienced a problem with
those.
> > After > > all, they use openGL, don't they? > > The same stands for pure:dyne; at the core it's a linux kernel,
and
> > what > > you > > install on (or remove from) the top, it's up to you. > > The only thing i'm missing here on 64-bit is the RT kernel. Once
i
> > find > > a > > nice quick way, i'll grab it, but i'm not really into
home-brewing my
> > kernel. :) > >
-- Muranyi Andras
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That validates my statement to: "do not have the latest version" :) Do you win anything in using Lucid versus Karmic? Karmic has rt, it works like a charm, I can put jack with a latency of 9ms with H4 audio as USB audio card (no drivers no install) and no xruns - running nicely. If I do not use -rt kernel, xruns begin at that latency value.
Best regards, Pedro Lopes
2010/9/13 András Murányi muranyia@gmail.com
Nope. It's gone. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1388451
Andras
2010/9/13 Pedro Lopes pedro.lopes@ist.utl.pt
Sorry just double checking something András... there's no rt kernel for 64
bits Ubuntu? (or you're saying for the lucid lynx?)
Cause karmic koala has rt, I have Ubuntu Studio 64 bits with rt [1]
[1] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/9.10release_notes
2010/9/13 András Murányi muranyia@gmail.com
Ahh, livna.... You know, know that i have convinced my Fedora friends to switch to Ubuntu, what do I tall them when i go back? :o) I'll take a look at it, and also at home-brewing a kernel. Maybe that's the way forward.
Thanks, Andras
2010/9/13 Bernardo Barros bernardobarros2@gmail.com
Then you have to add Fusion free+non-free (maybe livna?) to your repos.
2010/9/13 András Murányi muranyia@gmail.com:
Hhh, switching distro seems harder than moving to another country sometimes... :o) I heard that some non-free stuff if missing from Fedora, does CCRMA
have
these? Like some proprietary codecs, etc...
2010/9/13 Bernardo Barros bernardobarros2@gmail.com
yes, planet_ccrma is a repo for the Fedora/CentOS/RedHat family I like it
2010/9/13 András Murányi muranyia@gmail.com: > Hmm, hmm. That means switching to Fedora, right? > > 2010/9/13 Bernardo Barros bernardobarros2@gmail.com >> >> Planet CCRMA offers rt-kernel for x86_64 systems. Give it a try. >> >> 2010/9/13 András Murányi muranyia@gmail.com: >> > On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 7:59 PM, jm jones juanmjv@gmail.com
wrote:
>> >> >> >> Hi, usually I install the 64 bits version of, but the last
time, I
>> >> dont remember why : ) (maybe to avoid any problems) I installed
the
>> >> 32 >> >> bits version of Ubuntu 10.04 LTS. Is a repo of pd-extended for
10.04
>> >> available? >> >> And about the 32 vs 64 bits, what are your choices? And what
about
>> >> distros? Pure:dyne seems more lightweight with his xfce
desktop,
>> >> however I have a good processor (core 2 duo intel e7200) and
2gb of
>> >> ram, planning an update to 6gb, so I dont know if xfce is a
must for
>> >> me. >> >> Im a "veteran" gnu/linux user, but the last years I was using
OS X
>> >> and >> >> W7 for music making. In Linux I want to use pd, Renoise (its >> >> available >> >> as 64 bits too), and wine for some vsts. >> >> >> > >> > Hi There, >> > >> > I'm sort of a veteran too (started on IBM AIX in 1992, used Red
Hat
>> > for >> > a >> > long time, then went back to Windows 98, later XP, which i gave
up
>> > finally a >> > few years ago). >> > I'm using vanilla Ubuntu 10.04 64-bit with Gnome (and 2GB of
memory),
>> > and my >> > impression is that it's not the WM that makes things slow, but
in the
>> > case >> > of Pd, it's Pd itself. Read the archives on GUI<->core
communication
>> > and >> > Tcl/Tk weirdnesses. The 64-bit version of Pd is quite tidy now,
well
>> > actually there was a time when it seemed to me a bit slower than
the
>> > 32-bit >> > version, but AFAIK there's no reason for that any more (?) >> > With a decent CPU and that huge amount of RAM you (will) have,
it
>> > really >> > cannot be a question of WM whatsoever. Of course, the system has
to
>> > be >> > tuned >> > for realtime, undisturbed audio usage, which may include getting
rid
>> > of >> > eye-candy functions, but i never experienced a problem with
those.
>> > After >> > all, they use openGL, don't they? >> > The same stands for pure:dyne; at the core it's a linux kernel,
and
>> > what >> > you >> > install on (or remove from) the top, it's up to you. >> > The only thing i'm missing here on 64-bit is the RT kernel. Once
i
>> > find >> > a >> > nice quick way, i'll grab it, but i'm not really into
home-brewing my
>> > kernel. :) >> > > >
-- Muranyi Andras
-- Muranyi Andras
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-- Muranyi Andras
The Debian tools make it quite easy and manageable to build your own
kernel. Try that before switching :)
.hc
On Sep 13, 2010, at 4:21 PM, András Murányi wrote:
Ahh, livna.... You know, know that i have convinced my Fedora friends to switch to
Ubuntu, what do I tall them when i go back? :o) I'll take a look at it, and also at home-brewing a kernel. Maybe
that's the way forward.Thanks, Andras
2010/9/13 Bernardo Barros bernardobarros2@gmail.com Then you have to add Fusion free+non-free (maybe livna?) to your
repos.2010/9/13 András Murányi muranyia@gmail.com:
Hhh, switching distro seems harder than moving to another country sometimes... :o) I heard that some non-free stuff if missing from Fedora, does
CCRMA have
these? Like some proprietary codecs, etc...
2010/9/13 Bernardo Barros bernardobarros2@gmail.com
yes, planet_ccrma is a repo for the Fedora/CentOS/RedHat family I like it
2010/9/13 András Murányi muranyia@gmail.com:
Hmm, hmm. That means switching to Fedora, right?
2010/9/13 Bernardo Barros bernardobarros2@gmail.com
Planet CCRMA offers rt-kernel for x86_64 systems. Give it a try.
2010/9/13 András Murányi muranyia@gmail.com:
On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 7:59 PM, jm jones
juanmjv@gmail.com wrote:
> > Hi, usually I install the 64 bits version of, but the last
time, I
> dont remember why : ) (maybe to avoid any problems) I
installed the
> 32 > bits version of Ubuntu 10.04 LTS. Is a repo of pd-extended
for 10.04
> available? > And about the 32 vs 64 bits, what are your choices? And
what about
> distros? Pure:dyne seems more lightweight with his xfce
desktop,
> however I have a good processor (core 2 duo intel e7200)
and 2gb of
> ram, planning an update to 6gb, so I dont know if xfce is a
must for
> me. > Im a "veteran" gnu/linux user, but the last years I was
using OS X
> and > W7 for music making. In Linux I want to use pd, Renoise (its > available > as 64 bits too), and wine for some vsts. >
Hi There,
I'm sort of a veteran too (started on IBM AIX in 1992, used
Red Hat
for a long time, then went back to Windows 98, later XP, which i
gave up
finally a few years ago). I'm using vanilla Ubuntu 10.04 64-bit with Gnome (and 2GB of
memory),
and my impression is that it's not the WM that makes things slow,
but in the
case of Pd, it's Pd itself. Read the archives on GUI<->core
communication
and Tcl/Tk weirdnesses. The 64-bit version of Pd is quite tidy
now, well
actually there was a time when it seemed to me a bit slower
than the
32-bit version, but AFAIK there's no reason for that any more (?) With a decent CPU and that huge amount of RAM you (will)
have, it
really cannot be a question of WM whatsoever. Of course, the system
has to
be tuned for realtime, undisturbed audio usage, which may include
getting rid
of eye-candy functions, but i never experienced a problem with
those.
After all, they use openGL, don't they? The same stands for pure:dyne; at the core it's a linux
kernel, and
what you install on (or remove from) the top, it's up to you. The only thing i'm missing here on 64-bit is the RT kernel.
Once i
find a nice quick way, i'll grab it, but i'm not really into home-
brewing my
kernel. :)
-- Muranyi Andras
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I have always wished for my computer to be as easy to use as my
telephone; my wish has come true because I can no longer figure out
how to use my telephone." --Bjarne Stroustrup (creator of C++)
just curious... why switch from fedora to ubuntu?
2010/9/13 Hans-Christoph Steiner hans@at.or.at:
The Debian tools make it quite easy and manageable to build your own kernel. Try that before switching :) .hc On Sep 13, 2010, at 4:21 PM, András Murányi wrote:
Ahh, livna.... You know, know that i have convinced my Fedora friends to switch to Ubuntu, what do I tall them when i go back? :o) I'll take a look at it, and also at home-brewing a kernel. Maybe that's the way forward.
Thanks, Andras
2010/9/13 Bernardo Barros bernardobarros2@gmail.com
Then you have to add Fusion free+non-free (maybe livna?) to your repos.
2010/9/13 András Murányi muranyia@gmail.com:
Hhh, switching distro seems harder than moving to another country sometimes... :o) I heard that some non-free stuff if missing from Fedora, does CCRMA have these? Like some proprietary codecs, etc...
2010/9/13 Bernardo Barros bernardobarros2@gmail.com
yes, planet_ccrma is a repo for the Fedora/CentOS/RedHat family I like it
2010/9/13 András Murányi muranyia@gmail.com:
Hmm, hmm. That means switching to Fedora, right?
2010/9/13 Bernardo Barros bernardobarros2@gmail.com
Planet CCRMA offers rt-kernel for x86_64 systems. Give it a try.
2010/9/13 András Murányi muranyia@gmail.com: > On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 7:59 PM, jm jones juanmjv@gmail.com > wrote: >> >> Hi, usually I install the 64 bits version of, but the last time, >> I >> dont remember why : ) (maybe to avoid any problems) I installed >> the >> 32 >> bits version of Ubuntu 10.04 LTS. Is a repo of pd-extended for >> 10.04 >> available? >> And about the 32 vs 64 bits, what are your choices? And what >> about >> distros? Pure:dyne seems more lightweight with his xfce desktop, >> however I have a good processor (core 2 duo intel e7200) and 2gb >> of >> ram, planning an update to 6gb, so I dont know if xfce is a must >> for >> me. >> Im a "veteran" gnu/linux user, but the last years I was using OS >> X >> and >> W7 for music making. In Linux I want to use pd, Renoise (its >> available >> as 64 bits too), and wine for some vsts. >> > > Hi There, > > I'm sort of a veteran too (started on IBM AIX in 1992, used Red > Hat > for > a > long time, then went back to Windows 98, later XP, which i gave up > finally a > few years ago). > I'm using vanilla Ubuntu 10.04 64-bit with Gnome (and 2GB of > memory), > and my > impression is that it's not the WM that makes things slow, but in > the > case > of Pd, it's Pd itself. Read the archives on GUI<->core > communication > and > Tcl/Tk weirdnesses. The 64-bit version of Pd is quite tidy now, > well > actually there was a time when it seemed to me a bit slower than > the > 32-bit > version, but AFAIK there's no reason for that any more (?) > With a decent CPU and that huge amount of RAM you (will) have, it > really > cannot be a question of WM whatsoever. Of course, the system has > to > be > tuned > for realtime, undisturbed audio usage, which may include getting > rid > of > eye-candy functions, but i never experienced a problem with those. > After > all, they use openGL, don't they? > The same stands for pure:dyne; at the core it's a linux kernel, > and > what > you > install on (or remove from) the top, it's up to you. > The only thing i'm missing here on 64-bit is the RT kernel. Once i > find > a > nice quick way, i'll grab it, but i'm not really into home-brewing > my > kernel. :) >
-- Muranyi Andras
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I have always wished for my computer to be as easy to use as my telephone; my wish has come true because I can no longer figure out how to use my telephone." --Bjarne Stroustrup (creator of C++)
Media apps seem to be much better supported in Debian/Ubuntu than in
Fedora. That's my two bits.
.hc
On Sep 13, 2010, at 6:22 PM, Bernardo Barros wrote:
just curious... why switch from fedora to ubuntu?
2010/9/13 Hans-Christoph Steiner hans@at.or.at:
The Debian tools make it quite easy and manageable to build your
own kernel. Try that before switching :) .hc On Sep 13, 2010, at 4:21 PM, András Murányi wrote:Ahh, livna.... You know, know that i have convinced my Fedora friends to switch to
Ubuntu, what do I tall them when i go back? :o) I'll take a look at it, and also at home-brewing a kernel. Maybe
that's the way forward.Thanks, Andras
2010/9/13 Bernardo Barros bernardobarros2@gmail.com
Then you have to add Fusion free+non-free (maybe livna?) to your
repos.2010/9/13 András Murányi muranyia@gmail.com:
Hhh, switching distro seems harder than moving to another country sometimes... :o) I heard that some non-free stuff if missing from Fedora, does
CCRMA have these? Like some proprietary codecs, etc...2010/9/13 Bernardo Barros bernardobarros2@gmail.com
yes, planet_ccrma is a repo for the Fedora/CentOS/RedHat family I like it
2010/9/13 András Murányi muranyia@gmail.com:
Hmm, hmm. That means switching to Fedora, right?
2010/9/13 Bernardo Barros bernardobarros2@gmail.com > > Planet CCRMA offers rt-kernel for x86_64 systems. Give it a try. > > 2010/9/13 András Murányi muranyia@gmail.com: >> On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 7:59 PM, jm jones juanmjv@gmail.com >> wrote: >>> >>> Hi, usually I install the 64 bits version of, but the last
>>> time, >>> I >>> dont remember why : ) (maybe to avoid any problems) I
>>> installed >>> the >>> 32 >>> bits version of Ubuntu 10.04 LTS. Is a repo of pd-extended for >>> 10.04 >>> available? >>> And about the 32 vs 64 bits, what are your choices? And what >>> about >>> distros? Pure:dyne seems more lightweight with his xfce
>>> desktop, >>> however I have a good processor (core 2 duo intel e7200) and
>>> 2gb >>> of >>> ram, planning an update to 6gb, so I dont know if xfce is a
>>> must >>> for >>> me. >>> Im a "veteran" gnu/linux user, but the last years I was
>>> using OS >>> X >>> and >>> W7 for music making. In Linux I want to use pd, Renoise (its >>> available >>> as 64 bits too), and wine for some vsts. >>> >> >> Hi There, >> >> I'm sort of a veteran too (started on IBM AIX in 1992, used Red >> Hat >> for >> a >> long time, then went back to Windows 98, later XP, which i
>> gave up >> finally a >> few years ago). >> I'm using vanilla Ubuntu 10.04 64-bit with Gnome (and 2GB of >> memory), >> and my >> impression is that it's not the WM that makes things slow,
>> but in >> the >> case >> of Pd, it's Pd itself. Read the archives on GUI<->core >> communication >> and >> Tcl/Tk weirdnesses. The 64-bit version of Pd is quite tidy now, >> well >> actually there was a time when it seemed to me a bit slower
>> than >> the >> 32-bit >> version, but AFAIK there's no reason for that any more (?) >> With a decent CPU and that huge amount of RAM you (will)
>> have, it >> really >> cannot be a question of WM whatsoever. Of course, the system
>> has >> to >> be >> tuned >> for realtime, undisturbed audio usage, which may include
>> getting >> rid >> of >> eye-candy functions, but i never experienced a problem with
>> those. >> After >> all, they use openGL, don't they? >> The same stands for pure:dyne; at the core it's a linux kernel, >> and >> what >> you >> install on (or remove from) the top, it's up to you. >> The only thing i'm missing here on 64-bit is the RT kernel.
>> Once i >> find >> a >> nice quick way, i'll grab it, but i'm not really into home- >> brewing >> my >> kernel. :) >>-- Muranyi Andras
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I have always wished for my computer to be as easy to use as my
telephone; my wish has come true because I can no longer figure out how to use
my telephone." --Bjarne Stroustrup (creator of C++)
I hate it when they say, "He gave his life for his country." Nobody
gives their life for anything. We steal the lives of these kids. -
Admiral Gene LeRocque
Well, i never really used Fedora... I used RH back then, and when i was to get back to Linux after XP, I have evaluated many distros, and Ubuntu seemed kinda promising. Why did it seem promising to me?
- large user base
- entirely non-for-profit
- targeted the desktop more definitely than some others
- software with different copyrights avalable in a rather integrated way
(universe, multiverse, medibuntu)
- nice brownish look :o)
Andras
2010/9/14 Bernardo Barros bernardobarros2@gmail.com
just curious... why switch from fedora to ubuntu?
2010/9/13 Hans-Christoph Steiner hans@at.or.at:
The Debian tools make it quite easy and manageable to build your own
kernel.
Try that before switching :) .hc On Sep 13, 2010, at 4:21 PM, András Murányi wrote:
Ahh, livna.... You know, know that i have convinced my Fedora friends to switch to
Ubuntu,
what do I tall them when i go back? :o) I'll take a look at it, and also at home-brewing a kernel. Maybe that's
the
way forward.
Thanks, Andras
2010/9/13 Bernardo Barros bernardobarros2@gmail.com
Then you have to add Fusion free+non-free (maybe livna?) to your repos.
2010/9/13 András Murányi muranyia@gmail.com:
Hhh, switching distro seems harder than moving to another country sometimes... :o) I heard that some non-free stuff if missing from Fedora, does CCRMA
have
these? Like some proprietary codecs, etc...
2010/9/13 Bernardo Barros bernardobarros2@gmail.com
yes, planet_ccrma is a repo for the Fedora/CentOS/RedHat family I like it
2010/9/13 András Murányi muranyia@gmail.com:
Hmm, hmm. That means switching to Fedora, right?
2010/9/13 Bernardo Barros bernardobarros2@gmail.com > > Planet CCRMA offers rt-kernel for x86_64 systems. Give it a try. > > 2010/9/13 András Murányi muranyia@gmail.com: > > On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 7:59 PM, jm jones juanmjv@gmail.com > > wrote: > >> > >> Hi, usually I install the 64 bits version of, but the last
time,
> >> I > >> dont remember why : ) (maybe to avoid any problems) I installed > >> the > >> 32 > >> bits version of Ubuntu 10.04 LTS. Is a repo of pd-extended for > >> 10.04 > >> available? > >> And about the 32 vs 64 bits, what are your choices? And what > >> about > >> distros? Pure:dyne seems more lightweight with his xfce
desktop,
> >> however I have a good processor (core 2 duo intel e7200) and
2gb
> >> of > >> ram, planning an update to 6gb, so I dont know if xfce is a
must
> >> for > >> me. > >> Im a "veteran" gnu/linux user, but the last years I was using
OS
> >> X > >> and > >> W7 for music making. In Linux I want to use pd, Renoise (its > >> available > >> as 64 bits too), and wine for some vsts. > >> > > > > Hi There, > > > > I'm sort of a veteran too (started on IBM AIX in 1992, used Red > > Hat > > for > > a > > long time, then went back to Windows 98, later XP, which i gave
up
> > finally a > > few years ago). > > I'm using vanilla Ubuntu 10.04 64-bit with Gnome (and 2GB of > > memory), > > and my > > impression is that it's not the WM that makes things slow, but
in
> > the > > case > > of Pd, it's Pd itself. Read the archives on GUI<->core > > communication > > and > > Tcl/Tk weirdnesses. The 64-bit version of Pd is quite tidy now, > > well > > actually there was a time when it seemed to me a bit slower than > > the > > 32-bit > > version, but AFAIK there's no reason for that any more (?) > > With a decent CPU and that huge amount of RAM you (will) have,
it
> > really > > cannot be a question of WM whatsoever. Of course, the system has > > to > > be > > tuned > > for realtime, undisturbed audio usage, which may include getting > > rid > > of > > eye-candy functions, but i never experienced a problem with
those.
> > After > > all, they use openGL, don't they? > > The same stands for pure:dyne; at the core it's a linux kernel, > > and > > what > > you > > install on (or remove from) the top, it's up to you. > > The only thing i'm missing here on 64-bit is the RT kernel. Once
i
> > find > > a > > nice quick way, i'll grab it, but i'm not really into
home-brewing
> > my > > kernel. :) > >
-- Muranyi Andras
-- Muranyi Andras _______________________________________________ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
I have always wished for my computer to be as easy to use as
my telephone;
my wish has come true because I can no longer figure out how to use my telephone." --Bjarne Stroustrup (creator of C++)
come'on, I hate brown... :-)
One thing is that Canonical do much much less to Linux kernel development then RedHat. They don't give back :-(
2010/9/13 András Murányi muranyia@gmail.com:
Well, i never really used Fedora... I used RH back then, and when i was to get back to Linux after XP, I have evaluated many distros, and Ubuntu seemed kinda promising. Why did it seem promising to me?
- large user base
- entirely non-for-profit
- targeted the desktop more definitely than some others
- software with different copyrights avalable in a rather integrated way
(universe, multiverse, medibuntu)
- nice brownish look :o)
Andras
2010/9/14 Bernardo Barros bernardobarros2@gmail.com
just curious... why switch from fedora to ubuntu?
2010/9/13 Hans-Christoph Steiner hans@at.or.at:
The Debian tools make it quite easy and manageable to build your own kernel. Try that before switching :) .hc On Sep 13, 2010, at 4:21 PM, András Murányi wrote:
Ahh, livna.... You know, know that i have convinced my Fedora friends to switch to Ubuntu, what do I tall them when i go back? :o) I'll take a look at it, and also at home-brewing a kernel. Maybe that's the way forward.
Thanks, Andras
2010/9/13 Bernardo Barros bernardobarros2@gmail.com
Then you have to add Fusion free+non-free (maybe livna?) to your repos.
2010/9/13 András Murányi muranyia@gmail.com:
Hhh, switching distro seems harder than moving to another country sometimes... :o) I heard that some non-free stuff if missing from Fedora, does CCRMA have these? Like some proprietary codecs, etc...
2010/9/13 Bernardo Barros bernardobarros2@gmail.com
yes, planet_ccrma is a repo for the Fedora/CentOS/RedHat family I like it
2010/9/13 András Murányi muranyia@gmail.com: > Hmm, hmm. That means switching to Fedora, right? > > 2010/9/13 Bernardo Barros bernardobarros2@gmail.com >> >> Planet CCRMA offers rt-kernel for x86_64 systems. Give it a try. >> >> 2010/9/13 András Murányi muranyia@gmail.com: >> > On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 7:59 PM, jm jones juanmjv@gmail.com >> > wrote: >> >> >> >> Hi, usually I install the 64 bits version of, but the last >> >> time, >> >> I >> >> dont remember why : ) (maybe to avoid any problems) I >> >> installed >> >> the >> >> 32 >> >> bits version of Ubuntu 10.04 LTS. Is a repo of pd-extended for >> >> 10.04 >> >> available? >> >> And about the 32 vs 64 bits, what are your choices? And what >> >> about >> >> distros? Pure:dyne seems more lightweight with his xfce >> >> desktop, >> >> however I have a good processor (core 2 duo intel e7200) and >> >> 2gb >> >> of >> >> ram, planning an update to 6gb, so I dont know if xfce is a >> >> must >> >> for >> >> me. >> >> Im a "veteran" gnu/linux user, but the last years I was using >> >> OS >> >> X >> >> and >> >> W7 for music making. In Linux I want to use pd, Renoise (its >> >> available >> >> as 64 bits too), and wine for some vsts. >> >> >> > >> > Hi There, >> > >> > I'm sort of a veteran too (started on IBM AIX in 1992, used Red >> > Hat >> > for >> > a >> > long time, then went back to Windows 98, later XP, which i gave >> > up >> > finally a >> > few years ago). >> > I'm using vanilla Ubuntu 10.04 64-bit with Gnome (and 2GB of >> > memory), >> > and my >> > impression is that it's not the WM that makes things slow, but >> > in >> > the >> > case >> > of Pd, it's Pd itself. Read the archives on GUI<->core >> > communication >> > and >> > Tcl/Tk weirdnesses. The 64-bit version of Pd is quite tidy now, >> > well >> > actually there was a time when it seemed to me a bit slower >> > than >> > the >> > 32-bit >> > version, but AFAIK there's no reason for that any more (?) >> > With a decent CPU and that huge amount of RAM you (will) have, >> > it >> > really >> > cannot be a question of WM whatsoever. Of course, the system >> > has >> > to >> > be >> > tuned >> > for realtime, undisturbed audio usage, which may include >> > getting >> > rid >> > of >> > eye-candy functions, but i never experienced a problem with >> > those. >> > After >> > all, they use openGL, don't they? >> > The same stands for pure:dyne; at the core it's a linux kernel, >> > and >> > what >> > you >> > install on (or remove from) the top, it's up to you. >> > The only thing i'm missing here on 64-bit is the RT kernel. >> > Once i >> > find >> > a >> > nice quick way, i'll grab it, but i'm not really into >> > home-brewing >> > my >> > kernel. :) >> > > >
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Canonical does do a lot of GNOME development tho, from what I've
heard. They do contribute a lot of code, but in different areas. But
it would be interesting to see how the various GNU/Linux companies
compare in terms of how much code they contribute.
.hc
On Sep 13, 2010, at 6:54 PM, Bernardo Barros wrote:
come'on, I hate brown... :-)
One thing is that Canonical do much much less to Linux kernel development then RedHat. They don't give back :-(
2010/9/13 András Murányi muranyia@gmail.com:
Well, i never really used Fedora... I used RH back then, and when i
was to get back to Linux after XP, I have evaluated many distros, and
Ubuntu seemed kinda promising. Why did it seem promising to me?
- large user base
- entirely non-for-profit
- targeted the desktop more definitely than some others
- software with different copyrights avalable in a rather
integrated way (universe, multiverse, medibuntu)
- nice brownish look :o)
Andras
2010/9/14 Bernardo Barros bernardobarros2@gmail.com
just curious... why switch from fedora to ubuntu?
2010/9/13 Hans-Christoph Steiner hans@at.or.at:
The Debian tools make it quite easy and manageable to build your
own kernel. Try that before switching :) .hc On Sep 13, 2010, at 4:21 PM, András Murányi wrote:Ahh, livna.... You know, know that i have convinced my Fedora friends to switch to Ubuntu, what do I tall them when i go back? :o) I'll take a look at it, and also at home-brewing a kernel. Maybe
that's the way forward.Thanks, Andras
2010/9/13 Bernardo Barros bernardobarros2@gmail.com
Then you have to add Fusion free+non-free (maybe livna?) to your
repos.2010/9/13 András Murányi muranyia@gmail.com:
Hhh, switching distro seems harder than moving to another country sometimes... :o) I heard that some non-free stuff if missing from Fedora, does
CCRMA have these? Like some proprietary codecs, etc...2010/9/13 Bernardo Barros bernardobarros2@gmail.com > > yes, planet_ccrma is a repo for the Fedora/CentOS/RedHat family > I like it > > 2010/9/13 András Murányi muranyia@gmail.com: >> Hmm, hmm. That means switching to Fedora, right? >> >> 2010/9/13 Bernardo Barros bernardobarros2@gmail.com >>> >>> Planet CCRMA offers rt-kernel for x86_64 systems. Give it a
>>> try. >>> >>> 2010/9/13 András Murányi muranyia@gmail.com: >>>> On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 7:59 PM, jm jones juanmjv@gmail.com >>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hi, usually I install the 64 bits version of, but the last >>>>> time, >>>>> I >>>>> dont remember why : ) (maybe to avoid any problems) I >>>>> installed >>>>> the >>>>> 32 >>>>> bits version of Ubuntu 10.04 LTS. Is a repo of pd-extended
>>>>> for >>>>> 10.04 >>>>> available? >>>>> And about the 32 vs 64 bits, what are your choices? And
>>>>> what >>>>> about >>>>> distros? Pure:dyne seems more lightweight with his xfce >>>>> desktop, >>>>> however I have a good processor (core 2 duo intel e7200) and >>>>> 2gb >>>>> of >>>>> ram, planning an update to 6gb, so I dont know if xfce is a >>>>> must >>>>> for >>>>> me. >>>>> Im a "veteran" gnu/linux user, but the last years I was
>>>>> using >>>>> OS >>>>> X >>>>> and >>>>> W7 for music making. In Linux I want to use pd, Renoise (its >>>>> available >>>>> as 64 bits too), and wine for some vsts. >>>>> >>>> >>>> Hi There, >>>> >>>> I'm sort of a veteran too (started on IBM AIX in 1992, used
>>>> Red >>>> Hat >>>> for >>>> a >>>> long time, then went back to Windows 98, later XP, which i
>>>> gave >>>> up >>>> finally a >>>> few years ago). >>>> I'm using vanilla Ubuntu 10.04 64-bit with Gnome (and 2GB of >>>> memory), >>>> and my >>>> impression is that it's not the WM that makes things slow,
>>>> but >>>> in >>>> the >>>> case >>>> of Pd, it's Pd itself. Read the archives on GUI<->core >>>> communication >>>> and >>>> Tcl/Tk weirdnesses. The 64-bit version of Pd is quite tidy
>>>> now, >>>> well >>>> actually there was a time when it seemed to me a bit slower >>>> than >>>> the >>>> 32-bit >>>> version, but AFAIK there's no reason for that any more (?) >>>> With a decent CPU and that huge amount of RAM you (will)
>>>> have, >>>> it >>>> really >>>> cannot be a question of WM whatsoever. Of course, the system >>>> has >>>> to >>>> be >>>> tuned >>>> for realtime, undisturbed audio usage, which may include >>>> getting >>>> rid >>>> of >>>> eye-candy functions, but i never experienced a problem with >>>> those. >>>> After >>>> all, they use openGL, don't they? >>>> The same stands for pure:dyne; at the core it's a linux
>>>> kernel, >>>> and >>>> what >>>> you >>>> install on (or remove from) the top, it's up to you. >>>> The only thing i'm missing here on 64-bit is the RT kernel. >>>> Once i >>>> find >>>> a >>>> nice quick way, i'll grab it, but i'm not really into >>>> home-brewing >>>> my >>>> kernel. :) >>>> >> >>-- Muranyi Andras
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I think RedHat, Novell, IBM, Google are some of the institutions that send more patches to the kernel. There are a lot of independent and anonymous guys too. Maybe people at University? I don't know. BUT Canonical are not one of those companies. Maybe for GNOME. But I think the most exciting desktop development are happening with KDE/Qt anyway.
2010/9/13 Hans-Christoph Steiner hans@at.or.at:
Canonical does do a lot of GNOME development tho, from what I've heard. They do contribute a lot of code, but in different areas. But it would be interesting to see how the various GNU/Linux companies compare in terms of how much code they contribute.
.hc
On Sep 13, 2010, at 6:54 PM, Bernardo Barros wrote:
come'on, I hate brown... :-)
One thing is that Canonical do much much less to Linux kernel development then RedHat. They don't give back :-(
2010/9/13 András Murányi muranyia@gmail.com:
Well, i never really used Fedora... I used RH back then, and when i was to get back to Linux after XP, I have evaluated many distros, and Ubuntu seemed kinda promising. Why did it seem promising to me?
- large user base
- entirely non-for-profit
- targeted the desktop more definitely than some others
- software with different copyrights avalable in a rather integrated way
(universe, multiverse, medibuntu)
- nice brownish look :o)
Andras
2010/9/14 Bernardo Barros bernardobarros2@gmail.com
just curious... why switch from fedora to ubuntu?
2010/9/13 Hans-Christoph Steiner hans@at.or.at:
The Debian tools make it quite easy and manageable to build your own kernel. Try that before switching :) .hc On Sep 13, 2010, at 4:21 PM, András Murányi wrote:
Ahh, livna.... You know, know that i have convinced my Fedora friends to switch to Ubuntu, what do I tall them when i go back? :o) I'll take a look at it, and also at home-brewing a kernel. Maybe that's the way forward.
Thanks, Andras
2010/9/13 Bernardo Barros bernardobarros2@gmail.com
Then you have to add Fusion free+non-free (maybe livna?) to your repos.
2010/9/13 András Murányi muranyia@gmail.com: > > Hhh, switching distro seems harder than moving to another country > sometimes... :o) > I heard that some non-free stuff if missing from Fedora, does CCRMA > have > these? Like some proprietary codecs, etc... > > 2010/9/13 Bernardo Barros bernardobarros2@gmail.com >> >> yes, planet_ccrma is a repo for the Fedora/CentOS/RedHat family >> I like it >> >> 2010/9/13 András Murányi muranyia@gmail.com: >>> >>> Hmm, hmm. That means switching to Fedora, right? >>> >>> 2010/9/13 Bernardo Barros bernardobarros2@gmail.com >>>> >>>> Planet CCRMA offers rt-kernel for x86_64 systems. Give it a try. >>>> >>>> 2010/9/13 András Murányi muranyia@gmail.com: >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 7:59 PM, jm jones juanmjv@gmail.com >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi, usually I install the 64 bits version of, but the last >>>>>> time, >>>>>> I >>>>>> dont remember why : ) (maybe to avoid any problems) I >>>>>> installed >>>>>> the >>>>>> 32 >>>>>> bits version of Ubuntu 10.04 LTS. Is a repo of pd-extended for >>>>>> 10.04 >>>>>> available? >>>>>> And about the 32 vs 64 bits, what are your choices? And what >>>>>> about >>>>>> distros? Pure:dyne seems more lightweight with his xfce >>>>>> desktop, >>>>>> however I have a good processor (core 2 duo intel e7200) and >>>>>> 2gb >>>>>> of >>>>>> ram, planning an update to 6gb, so I dont know if xfce is a >>>>>> must >>>>>> for >>>>>> me. >>>>>> Im a "veteran" gnu/linux user, but the last years I was using >>>>>> OS >>>>>> X >>>>>> and >>>>>> W7 for music making. In Linux I want to use pd, Renoise (its >>>>>> available >>>>>> as 64 bits too), and wine for some vsts. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Hi There, >>>>> >>>>> I'm sort of a veteran too (started on IBM AIX in 1992, used Red >>>>> Hat >>>>> for >>>>> a >>>>> long time, then went back to Windows 98, later XP, which i gave >>>>> up >>>>> finally a >>>>> few years ago). >>>>> I'm using vanilla Ubuntu 10.04 64-bit with Gnome (and 2GB of >>>>> memory), >>>>> and my >>>>> impression is that it's not the WM that makes things slow, but >>>>> in >>>>> the >>>>> case >>>>> of Pd, it's Pd itself. Read the archives on GUI<->core >>>>> communication >>>>> and >>>>> Tcl/Tk weirdnesses. The 64-bit version of Pd is quite tidy now, >>>>> well >>>>> actually there was a time when it seemed to me a bit slower >>>>> than >>>>> the >>>>> 32-bit >>>>> version, but AFAIK there's no reason for that any more (?) >>>>> With a decent CPU and that huge amount of RAM you (will) have, >>>>> it >>>>> really >>>>> cannot be a question of WM whatsoever. Of course, the system >>>>> has >>>>> to >>>>> be >>>>> tuned >>>>> for realtime, undisturbed audio usage, which may include >>>>> getting >>>>> rid >>>>> of >>>>> eye-candy functions, but i never experienced a problem with >>>>> those. >>>>> After >>>>> all, they use openGL, don't they? >>>>> The same stands for pure:dyne; at the core it's a linux kernel, >>>>> and >>>>> what >>>>> you >>>>> install on (or remove from) the top, it's up to you. >>>>> The only thing i'm missing here on 64-bit is the RT kernel. >>>>> Once i >>>>> find >>>>> a >>>>> nice quick way, i'll grab it, but i'm not really into >>>>> home-brewing >>>>> my >>>>> kernel. :) >>>>> >>> >>> > > > > -- > Muranyi Andras >
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