On Jul 22, 2017, at 7:46 AM, pd-list-request@lists.iem.at wrote:
2017-07-21 22:10 GMT-03:00 Lucas Cordiviola <lucarda27@hotmail.com mailto:lucarda27@hotmail.com>: pdx metrics are not yet hardcoded, there must be a good argument for that to became meaningful.
what do you mean?
Support it by just testing and giving opinions. But modify that tcl please.
My opinion is that things should look the same, out of the box, on vanilla, pd extended, and purr data. In the verge of bringing cyclone to purr data, I hope the same documentation works in both, cause doing two of them would be insane.
Now, is there any need for further testing?
Yes.
Hasn't this been tested already?
Only you and Lucas have tested it. Sending emails back and forth to each other agreeing on a change doesn't;t magically make it happen.
I didn't add the metrics changes to the PR because the PR is about bringing the font in first (in my mind). The metrics can be in a different branch. If I put all of them together, it makes it much harder to be able to decide "we want the font changes, but not the metrics changes yet". As I've mentioned before, many times now, I personally do not have all the knowledge to know if the tweak to the tcl from extended, in fact, is only thing that's needed.
That's not to say the extended stuff CANT be brought in, just that, in software that lots of people rely on, it pays to be conservative in making changes like this. It may work for *your* help patches but may break tons of *other* patches for other people. I dunno, which is why I am cautious. We need feedback from others and the "powers that be."
Dan Wilcox @danomatika http://twitter.com/danomatika danomatika.com http://danomatika.com/ robotcowboy.com http://robotcowboy.com/
2017-07-22 13:42 GMT-03:00 Dan Wilcox danomatika@gmail.com:
it pays to be conservative in making changes like this.
agreed
We need feedback from others
gotcha
well, regarding this topic name, I guess we can agree this is not for 0.48, which is coming out right now - so let's try and develop on this for 0.48-1 and further
cheers
Anyone willing to test and give feedback can modify "pd-gui.tcl" and restart Pd.
The how-to is here:
https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data/wiki/Crossplatform-font-metrics-%26-c...
There's also a windows version for font testing here:
http://lucarda.com.ar/x/pdfont.zip
Its a 0.47.1 zip version with modified metrics & with TWAPI for autoloading the included dejavu font.
Unzip and start with double-click on the file "start-Pd-from-here.cmd".
It uses "normal" font weight (not bold). This can be changed editing "start-Pd-from-here.cmd".
Salutti, Lucarda.
On 7/22/2017 1:42 PM, Dan Wilcox wrote:
On Jul 22, 2017, at 7:46 AM, pd-list-request@lists.iem.atmailto:pd-list-request@lists.iem.at wrote:
2017-07-21 22:10 GMT-03:00 Lucas Cordiviola <lucarda27@hotmail.commailto:lucarda27@hotmail.com>: pdx metrics are not yet hardcoded, there must be a good argument for that to became meaningful.
what do you mean?
Support it by just testing and giving opinions. But modify that tcl please.
My opinion is that things should look the same, out of the box, on vanilla, pd extended, and purr data. In the verge of bringing cyclone to purr data, I hope the same documentation works in both, cause doing two of them would be insane.
Now, is there any need for further testing?
Yes.
Hasn't this been tested already?
Only you and Lucas have tested it. Sending emails back and forth to each other agreeing on a change doesn't;t magically make it happen.
I didn't add the metrics changes to the PR because the PR is about bringing the font in first (in my mind). The metrics can be in a different branch. If I put all of them together, it makes it much harder to be able to decide "we want the font changes, but not the metrics changes yet". As I've mentioned before, many times now, I personally do not have all the knowledge to know if the tweak to the tcl from extended, in fact, is only thing that's needed.
That's not to say the extended stuff CANT be brought in, just that, in software that lots of people rely on, it pays to be conservative in making changes like this. It may work for *your* help patches but may break tons of *other* patches for other people. I dunno, which is why I am cautious. We need feedback from others and the "powers that be."
Dan Wilcox @danomatikahttp://twitter.com/danomatika danomatika.comhttp://danomatika.com robotcowboy.comhttp://robotcowboy.com
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