hi list
Is it possible to create standalone versions of pure data patches?
something like an updated paradiddle for mac and windows, so you can
send your audio-applications to people without them having to install pd
thks
This has been discussed here quite a bit before. Short answer: no. Longer answers are in the archive if you search for them.
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Miguel Cardoso wrote:
hi list
Is it possible to create standalone versions of pure data patches? something like an updated paradiddle for mac and windows, so you can
send your audio-applications to people without them having to install pd
Search strings: "stand alone", "executable" or "pd pluggo"
d.
Derek Holzer wrote:
This has been discussed here quite a bit before. Short answer: no. Longer answers are in the archive if you search for them.
http://lists.puredata.info/pipermail/pd-list/
d.
Miguel Cardoso wrote:
hi list
Is it possible to create standalone versions of pure data patches? something like an updated paradiddle for mac and windows, so you can
send your audio-applications to people without them having to install pd
Hallo, Derek Holzer hat gesagt: // Derek Holzer wrote:
This has been discussed here quite a bit before. Short answer: no.
Though I must say: "Short answer: Yes." Just make a zip with all your patches and the Pd executable files for your friend's OS and send it to him. Contrary to Max/MSP, Pd is free so there's no urgent need for a special "free" runtime version of Pd: Pd *is* the runtime, and you can just distribute Pd as you like.
Ciao
Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org_ __goto10.org__
He actually asked if it could be done without installing PD. So technically, no it's not possible, since the PD executables would need to be distributed with the patch. On top of that, a pdsettings or pdrc file would need to be sent (and installed properly) to use any externals or other path-oriented stuff, if I understand how that's being done these days.
The discussion in the archives (at least my part of it) was all about how this standalone business is a relic of commercial software thinking. Let's agree to both be correct ;-)
d.
Frank Barknecht wrote:
Hallo, Derek Holzer hat gesagt: // Derek Holzer wrote:
This has been discussed here quite a bit before. Short answer: no.
Though I must say: "Short answer: Yes." Just make a zip with all your patches and the Pd executable files for your friend's OS and send it to him. Contrary to Max/MSP, Pd is free so there's no urgent need for a special "free" runtime version of Pd: Pd *is* the runtime, and you can just distribute Pd as you like.
Ciao
Hallo, Derek Holzer hat gesagt: // Derek Holzer wrote:
He actually asked if it could be done without installing PD. So technically, no it's not possible, since the PD executables would need to be distributed with the patch. On top of that, a pdsettings or pdrc file would need to be sent (and installed properly) to use any externals or other path-oriented stuff, if I understand how that's being done these days.
The discussion in the archives (at least my part of it) was all about how this standalone business is a relic of commercial software thinking. Let's agree to both be correct ;-)
Yes, you're correct. ;)
(Though: Even with Max-standalones are distributed together with a "runtime" which in the end is just a stripped down Max. A stripped down Pd would for example be just the stuff in "bin", no help, not extras.)
Ciao
Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org_ __goto10.org__
i don't want to get into "relic of commercial software thinking".
Im just trying to figure out a way to run puredata on a browser as a
internet plugin. (pd-plugin for mac/linux/windows) there's not even
a commercial option to do such thing.
not being able to find it, ive been thinking of a way to make my
patches available without installation problems.
just something people who don't care about pd but care about music
narratives to go to a website click once and it works.
as for live performace/installation software or as a server pd is
perfect. you can really create great experiences (such as netpd).
thks list :)
On May 31, 2007, at 1:45 PM, Frank Barknecht wrote:
Hallo, Derek Holzer hat gesagt: // Derek Holzer wrote:
He actually asked if it could be done without installing PD. So technically, no it's not possible, since the PD executables would
need to be distributed with the patch. On top of that, a pdsettings or
pdrc file would need to be sent (and installed properly) to use any
externals or other path-oriented stuff, if I understand how that's being done these days.The discussion in the archives (at least my part of it) was all about how this standalone business is a relic of commercial software
thinking. Let's agree to both be correct ;-)Yes, you're correct. ;)
(Though: Even with Max-standalones are distributed together with a "runtime" which in the end is just a stripped down Max. A stripped down Pd would for example be just the stuff in "bin", no help, not extras.)
Ciao
Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org_ __goto10.org__
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Hallo, Miguel Cardoso hat gesagt: // Miguel Cardoso wrote:
i don't want to get into "relic of commercial software thinking".
Im just trying to figure out a way to run puredata on a browser as a
internet plugin.
Why didn't you say so? ;)
There are some projects regarding Pd as a browser plugin. This is what Google turned up: http://www.iua.upf.edu/~malonso/pdplugin/ http://www.elec.qmul.ac.uk/dafx03/proceedings/pdfs/dafx66.pdf
Beware: These are not really useful for distributing general purpose patches. For that, you need to use a real Pd executable, either use an installed one or include a stripped down one with your patches for Linux, OS-X and/or Windows, like Max/MSP basically does.
Which gives me an idea: Maybe we should make a minimal Pd distribution, pd-compressed as the opposite of pd-extended, for the major operating systems? Just a the bin-directory of a static build of Pd, nothing else. Add a .bat or .sh file that starts this Pd and loads MAIN.pd in the top dir:
bin: pd(.exe) pd-gui(.exe) pd.tk lib: ... MAIN.pd RUN.[sh|bat]
Maybe also include expr.
Though, as Windows lacks so many libraries, some more stuff would need to be included. I made such a standalone for Windows and Linux(not static) and put it to http://footils.org/pkg/pd-app.zip, if you want to try. It's down to 1.9MB, and was tested on Linux with Wine. Just run "RUN.bat" on Linux or "RUN.sh" on Linux.
Ciao
Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org_ __goto10.org__
at least on windows, pd is already a standalone application. you don't need to install it to a predefined location and it has no further dependencies (besides a working operating system). so, you can easily build your own standalone application with your own patches and a .bat-file as a start-script.
check netpd for windows as an example 'standalone pd application':
http://www.netpd.org/software/compilations/pd-netpd-win32.zip
i don't know, how it could be done on osx. on linux it would be possible, but that is not the way how things are done in linux. it would require to include all libraries, which pd is dependent on, into your package.
roman
On Thu, 2007-05-31 at 09:53 +0200, Derek Holzer wrote:
This has been discussed here quite a bit before. Short answer: no. Longer answers are in the archive if you search for them.
http://lists.puredata.info/pipermail/pd-list/
d.
Miguel Cardoso wrote:
hi list
Is it possible to create standalone versions of pure data patches? something like an updated paradiddle for mac and windows, so you can
send your audio-applications to people without them having to install pd
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Actually, I am just wrapping up support for embedding the preferences
file (org.puredata.pd.plist) into the Pd.app. Then you can modify
the icon, etc. and embed your patch. Then double-clicking that app
will launch Pd and your settings form that file, which could include
loading an embedded patch.
Hopefully it'll be in the auto-build tomorrow.
.hc
On May 31, 2007, at 5:06 AM, Roman Haefeli wrote:
at least on windows, pd is already a standalone application. you don't need to install it to a predefined location and it has no further dependencies (besides a working operating system). so, you can easily build your own standalone application with your own patches and a .bat-file as a start-script.
check netpd for windows as an example 'standalone pd application':
http://www.netpd.org/software/compilations/pd-netpd-win32.zip
i don't know, how it could be done on osx. on linux it would be possible, but that is not the way how things are done in linux. it
would require to include all libraries, which pd is dependent on, into your package.roman
On Thu, 2007-05-31 at 09:53 +0200, Derek Holzer wrote:
This has been discussed here quite a bit before. Short answer: no. Longer answers are in the archive if you search for them.
http://lists.puredata.info/pipermail/pd-list/
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Miguel Cardoso wrote:
hi list
Is it possible to create standalone versions of pure data patches? something like an updated paradiddle for mac and windows, so you can send your audio-applications to people without them having to
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