Hi all,
I've finally got 0.35 test 5 ready (for linux only, sorry.) There are two major new features:
by right-clicking it. Get properties on a canvas to make it show up as a graph on its parent. You can make control panels this way.
data structure. You can add or rename fields for example. A new "struct" object replaces "template" and allows you to name it explicitly so you don't have to monkey with the canvas name anymore. The "scalar" object is gone; scalars are now just "data" and are saved with the patch.
One minor thing which will help windows people when it comes out on MSW: you can put spaces in paths! This seems to have been the major problem people have had running Pd in MSW.
I'm now going to try to improve Linux audio/MIDI support and fix other problems as noted in "notes.txt" in the source directory...
cheers Miller
Here are Miller's notes for Pd 0.35-test5 : that's f***ing unbelievable !!! :
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doc:
graphs showing sub-objects spaces in filenames soundfiler "float" wav file reading and chunk skipping(?) .pdrc now read after cmd lines htlp help works with mozilla or netscape get rid of table outlet "struct" object templates: new template in file: check compatibility with existing one otherwise, chase down all instances of existing one; if none OK otherwise, error (and cancel load?) (recover better from: "%s: template mismatch" in template_getnew()) "template" text object creation, check existing ones? reunify copy/paste with new saving code
problems: alsa dac mess after sleep fix testtone to do quad? fix /dev/dsp opening to only open common ones once; MIDI too... dieb13@klingt.org Wed, 09 Jan 2002 -- TCL 8.3 not included right? Yves Degoyon on libtk hassle, also Guenter, also nellie? David McCallum, table crashes in 98? stupid font in save dialog somebody's font hack andy chen [PD] Compiling NT test on Visual C++ 6. Bill Sack [PD] simple compile error zmoelnig bug Shahrokh hammerfall fix look for "flush" problem? get rid of messages causing renaming; try to prevent patches closing themselves. route help window needs stretching -- check for font-10 help windows Juha Vehviläine -- click on open abstraction (windows) loses keybd make selecting text grab keyboard focus Krzysztof's qlist_next reentrancy bug dac~/ adc~/ block~ incompatibility is ALSA really checking /proc!? scofo reports error on reading score1.txt bug: opening subpatch with number boxes sometimes shows them double height data copy/paste doesn't check templates aren't changed
data: click on points of plot typing at drawnumbers fix templates to be loaded on demand and belong to a globally known patch test and debug list elements of templates sublists should display on parent if desired? sublists seem not to handle canvas allocation right (get.pd->pointer.pd bug) scalar hook to catch the mouse protect against "plots" going away while you drag on them
features: get graphs to expand to hold their contents writing FLOAT wav files make "table" rescalable vertically -compat34 flag to save files so that 0.34 can read them suita.chopin.edu.pl/~czaja/miXed/externs/xeq.html -- MIDI file reader in glist_delete, consider why this can't be just "vis 0" -- why do we need it? abstraction auto-reload closebang pasting, at least to different windows, should look at current mouse location switching between dac and gettimeofday timing on dsp_start/stop check that -blocksize really reflects in audiobuf calc for Hammerfall allow bigger FFTs -version to print version and exit; usage() also to print version NT and OSX: opening HTML files? message to change block~ sizes dynamically help for table MIDI file reading/writing? makefile to have make install depend on make local. borrow arrow keys from IEMLIB bug: empty qlists report write errors (after write succeeds) pd messages to close and reopen sound driver Float method for random figure out list, message objects separate control over alsaindev and alsaoutdev pd -version make "import"/export use IEMLIB objects object to get/set table size; random; quantile put in something for tilde order forcing extensible "toolbar" so people can add external GUI objects text cut and paste; see XStoreBytes new objects: nexttick~, extend threshold~ and snapshot~ allow spaces in paths gem: try XSetBorderWidth, XMoveWindow, xcopyarea (/usr/share/doc/XF*) dialog for audio and MIDI settings prepend help to help filenames and add help search path read/writesf~ for NT variable send and receive -- check how max/MSP does it? number boxes to darken for typing and/or received messages delayed updates invisible toplevels dialog to change lib flag and path fastedit moves pique~ and fiddle~ unification (notice pique filtering is different!) new message box look figure out what to do when "pd sym" conflicts with window title as in Pluton?
LATER Hammerfall adapt to ALSA +~ 0 faster than +~ -- detect scalar input; also, order forcing inputs bonk~ file path handling unify arrays and garrays dialog to give values of $1, ... for the canvas bang at end of line~, etc. recording to part of a table printout to main window should sys_bail kill all "threads" on the way out? check a_valid usage allow backslashes (or else really disallow them) HTML doc files: how can I get Pd to get the OS to open them? icon & desktop integration vreadsf~ benchmarking flash menu when accelerator hits? fix edit mode menu item "undo" fancier text editing tools (reassigns meaning of primary click) get gui to notice early EOF rewrite t_getbytes properly obj_new should do a longjmp on out-of-memory
--------------------- source notes --------------------------
that can be sent messages ("pure data"). (note that t_object and t_text, and t_graph and t_canvas, should be unified...)
------------ BFFORE 0.35: --------- m_pd.h t_pd anything with a class t_gobj "graphic object" t_text text object g_canvas.h t_glist list of graphic objects g_canvas.c t_canvas Pd "document"
------------ AFTER 0.35: --------- m_pd.h t_pd anything with a class t_gobj "graphic object" t_text patchable object, AKA t_object g_canvas.h t_glist list of graphic objects, AKA t_canvas
... and other structures: g_canvas.h t_selection -- linked list of gobjs t_editor -- editor state, allocated for visible glists m_imp.h t_methodentry -- method handler t_widgetbehavior -- class-dependent editing behavior for gobjs t_parentwidgetbehavior -- objects' behavior on parent window t_class -- method definitions, instance size, flags, etc.
(-Wall on linux, for instance; see the makefile.) Some informalities are intentional, for instance the loose use of function prototypes (see below) and uncast conversions from longer to shorter numerical formats. The code doesn't respect "const" yet.
1.1. Prefixes in structure elements. The names of structure elements always have a K&R-style prefix, as in ((t_atom)x)->a_type, where the "a_" prefix indicates "atom." This is intended to enhance readability (although the convention arose from a limitation of early C compilers.) Common prefixes are "w_" (word), "a_" (atom), "s_" (symbol), "ob_" (object), "te_" (text object), "g_" (graphical object), and "gl_" (glist, a list of graphical objects). Also, global symbols sometimes get prefixes, as in "s_float" (the symbol whose string is "float). Typedefs are prefixed by "t_". Most _private_ structures, i.e., structures whose definitions appear in a ".c" file, are prefixed by "x_".
1.2. Function arguments. Many functions take as their first argument a pointer named "x", which is a pointer to a structure suggested by the function prefix; e.g., canvas_dirty(x, n) where "x" points to a canvas (t_canvas *x).
1.3. Function Prototypes. Functions which are used in at least two different files (besides where they originate) are prototyped in the appropriate include file. Functions which are provided in one file and used in one other are prototyped right where they are used. This is just to keep the size of the ".h" files down for readability's sake.
1.4. Whacko private terminology. Some terms are lifted from other historically relevant programs, notably "ugen" (which is just a tilde object; see d_ugen.c.)
1.5. Spacing. Tabs are 8 spaces; indentation is 4 spaces. Indenting curly brackets are by themselves on their own lines, as in:
if (x)
{
x = 0; }
Lines should fit within 80 spaces.
provided which aspire to strict compatibility with 0.26 patches (ISPW version), but which don't get anywhere close to that yet. Where possible, features appearing on the Mac will comeday also be provided; for instance, the connect message on the Mac offers segmented patch cords; these will devolve into straight lines in Pd. Many, many UI objects in Opcode Max will not appear in Pd, at least at first.
Pd objects follow the style of 0.26 objects as closely as possible, making exceptions in cases where the 0.26 model is clearly deficient. These are:
3.1. Anything involving the MacIntosh "Handle" data type is changed to use char * or void * instead.
3.2. Pd passes true single-precision floating-point arguments to methods; Max uses double. Typedefs are provided: t_floatarg, t_intarg for arguments passed by the message system t_float, t_int for the "word" union (in atoms, for example.)
3.3. Badly-named entities got name changes:
w_long --> w_int (in the "union word" structure)
3.4. Many library functions are renamed and have different arguments; I hope to provide an include file to alias them when compiling Max externs.
Many function names have prefixes which indicate what "package" they belong to. The exceptions are: typedmess, vmess, getfn, gensym (m_class.c) getbytes, freebytes, resizebytes (m_memory.c) post, error, bug (s_print.c) which are all frequently called and which don't fit into simple categories. Important packages are: (pd-gui:) pdgui -- everything (pd:) pd -- functions common to all "pd" objects obj -- fuctions common to all "patchable" objects ala Max sys -- "system" level functions binbuf -- functions manipulating binbufs class -- functions manipulating classes (other) -- functions common to the named Pd class
PD: s system interface m message system g graphics stuff d DSP objects x control objects z other
PD-GUI: t TK front end
hi,
Here are Miller's notes for Pd 0.35-test5 : that's f***ing unbelievable !!! :
i'm afraid there's a bit of confusion with the notes.txt file.
the problem is that it mixes tasks actually done and things to do. i understand you ( miller ) use it as a notepad but could there be two files for distribution purpose like say :
RELEASENOTES :
###################################### v0.35 test5 : Show graphs in sub-windows ..... v0.35 test4 : ..... ######################################
and
TODO : ######################################
Menu for Audio/Midi Setup .....
######################################
From a very first look at this release,
i noticed the following issues :
a/ uninitialized variable in g_template.c ---> doesn't compile
b/ too bad, te_xpos and te_ypos has been changed to te_xpix and te_ypix.
too bad, because it breaks all graphical externs.
should we release two versions of each extern ???
that's all for now.
cheers,
Yves/
Yves Degoyon hat gesagt: // Yves Degoyon wrote:
i noticed the following issues :
a/ uninitialized variable in g_template.c ---> doesn't compile
this goes away, if you ---disable-debug during configure.
b/ too bad, te_xpos and te_ypos has been changed to te_xpix and te_ypix. too bad, because it breaks all graphical externs. should we release two versions of each extern ???
ggee's envgen still works, but maybe it doesn't use these.
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Frank Barknecht ____ ______ ____ __ trip\ \ / /wire ______
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hi,
the layout of t_text is unchanged, this is only about renaming its fields -- externals already compiled will work, but before recompiling there must be something like
#define te_xpos te_xpix #define te_ypos te_ypix
prepended.
Krzysztof
Frank Barknecht wrote: ...
b/ too bad, te_xpos and te_ypos has been changed to te_xpix and te_ypix. too bad, because it breaks all graphical externs. should we release two versions of each extern ???
ggee's envgen still works, but maybe it doesn't use these.
Miller Puckette hat gesagt: // Miller Puckette wrote:
I've finally got 0.35 test 5 ready (for linux only, sorry.) There are two major new features:
btw: on the software.html page the link back to your main page is broken for some time, it should go to "index.htm" "./" not to "index.html" as it does now.
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Frank Barknecht ____ ______ ____ __ trip\ \ / /wire ______
/ __// __ /__/ __// // __ \ / / __ \ ___\
/ / / ____/ / / / // ____// /\ \ ___\____ \
/_/ /_____/ /_/ /_//_____// / \ \_____\_____
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Hi,
Miller Puckette hat gesagt: // Miller Puckette wrote:
I've finally got 0.35 test 5 ready (for linux only, sorry.) There are two major new features:
Two quick first look comments: I had to configure with --disable-debug, otherwise warnings were treated as error, and there are warnings...
- "graphs" and subpatches are the same thing. You can "open" a graph
by right-clicking it. Get properties on a canvas to make it show up as a graph on its parent. You can make control panels this way.
If I right-click a subpatch or abstraction and choose "Properties" pd crashes immediatly. So better don't do that.
I have updated my binary for Debian unstable on http://www.fbar.mynetcologne.de/get.html to this latest version, for those to lazy to compile. ALSA 0.9 required.
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Frank Barknecht ____ ______ ____ __ trip\ \ / /wire ______
/ __// __ /__/ __// // __ \ / / __ \ ___\
/ / / ____/ / / / // ____// /\ \ ___\____ \
/_/ /_____/ /_/ /_//_____// / \ \_____\_____
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Hello,
Miller Puckette hat gesagt: // Miller Puckette wrote:
I've finally got 0.35 test 5 ready (for linux only, sorry.)
I think unfortunatly I've found a show-stopper:
array resizing via messages results in a crash of PD. Checked with 2.control.examples/15.array.pd and some other patches.
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Frank Barknecht ____ ______ ____ __ trip\ \ / /wire ______
/ __// __ /__/ __// // __ \ / / __ \ ___\
/ / / ____/ / / / // ____// /\ \ ___\____ \
/_/ /_____/ /_/ /_//_____// / \ \_____\_____
/_/ _\
hi,
0.35-test5 quite reliably crashes around canvas properties, etc. I will try to investigate this further...
Krzysztof
Frank Barknecht wrote: ...
I think unfortunatly I've found a show-stopper:
array resizing via messages results in a crash of PD. Checked with 2.control.examples/15.array.pd and some other patches.
hi Miller,
the new data stuff is very nice, and does not break much of existing work using templates! After converting templates to structs even my shaky pianoroll patches work. But I think there should be an option to bypass saving of scalars (just like optional saving of array contents). Otherwise my pianoroll patches might get quite heavy...
Btw. I found that one of the crashes -- occurring after choosing properties entry of [pd] box popup menu -- is caused by making a call through an empty text_widgetbehavior.w_propertiesfn pointer (in graph_properties() routine).
Krzysztof
Miller Puckette wrote: ...
is gone; scalars are now just "data" and are saved with the patch.
hi Miller,
...and all the iemguis are broken. Every second text_xpix() call should be replaced with text_ypix() call...
I am sorry for being terse, it is getting late...
Krzysztof