Hi,
since the release of F9 I look at the audio part of Linux - I
personally find it a complete disaster and 'user-hostile' to be
polite. Many on this list are software specialists, so please don't
look down on someone who doesn't want to follow 3 pages of
instructions of how to make pulse audio work 'on top of' ALSA -
especially if there are follow-ups on the relevant forums that they
still don't have any signal output.
My laptop currently runs F9 (or WinXP) and works is an mp3 player,
full stop. From posts on the fedora list I understand that my
situation is even better than many others who don't even get that to
work.
My question is, how does Ubuntu studio compare to Fedora? Before I
start doctoring with my laptop and install Ubuntu 9.04 instead of F9
I'm scratching my head.
Thanks for any comments.
Best Jurgen
I have used fc8 and 10 with no problems, fc9 gave me a lot of problems..
J
On Sun, May 10, 2009 at 8:26 PM, Lao Yu noise.now@gmail.com wrote:
Hi. I installed F10 recently + Planet CCRMA real time kernel with no problems. It took me a while to figure out how to install nvidia GPU drivers to be able to use native resolution of my monitor and hardware 3D acceleration but except for that everything works out of the box. The only problem with audio is that PULSAUDIO doesn't see my HDMI audio output, only the analog one. There is a (not perfect) way to fix that (and I read that the new pulseaudio update will solve the problem properly) but I can just use the analog out and for music software I can use my Saffire (works with jack+ffado) or Photon x25 (works out of the box). I only compiled the latest PD vanilla on this system but I think there is also a binary of pd-exended available to download from puredata.info For the Ubuntu studio I have to say that I don't have any personal experience but I've been watching their mailing list and it seems that a lot of people are having problems with the 9.04 + real time kernel. If you want to work with audio then I think is better to go with Hardy. I definitely reccomend F10 and if could share my experience with getting the graphics card drivers with the CCRMA kernel if you encounter any problems.
all the best
Adrian G
---- On Sun, 10 May 2009 20:26:31 -0700 <b>Lao Yu <noise.now@gmail.com></b> wrote ----
Hi,
since the release of F9 I look at the audio part of Linux - I personally find it a complete disaster and 'user-hostile' to be polite. Many on this list are software specialists, so please don't look down on someone who doesn't want to follow 3 pages of instructions of how to make pulse audio work 'on top of' ALSA - especially if there are follow-ups on the relevant forums that they still don't have any signal output. My laptop currently runs F9 (or WinXP) and works is an mp3 player, full stop. From posts on the fedora list I understand that my situation is even better than many others who don't even get that to work. My question is, how does Ubuntu studio compare to Fedora? Before I start doctoring with my laptop and install Ubuntu 9.04 instead of F9 I'm scratching my head. Thanks for any comments.
Best Jurgen
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On Mon, 2009-05-11 at 01:31 -0500, adrian.g wrote:
i can confirm this. the current linux-rt version is much smaller than the version of the generic linux kernel. personally, i am still runing hardy.
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On Mon, 2009-05-11 at 11:26 +0800, Lao Yu wrote:
you can download an ubuntu iso and burn it on cd and start it safely from there. you will quickly see, how well your soundcard and card configuration in your laptop is supported. personally, i don't have any experience with fedora, but i'd say for ubuntu at least it is difficult to make general statement. of course, the ubuntu dev team is eager to fix as many problems as possible, but still in most cases it is simply a matter of whether the included alsa version supports a certain card/configuration or not. i've made very different experiences in terms of sound working out of the box, altough most of the time it works without tweaking.
i found, that the jack audioserver is a lot easier to setup and integrates much better in more recent versions of ubuntu. after starting jack (e.g. with qjackctl), it's even possible to launch pulseaudio automatically, so that it uses jack as the backend. this means, that even non-jack capable applications can be captured by puredata, for instance.
i mention jack, because i found, that puredata runs quite stable with jack and has only little dropouts. it sometimes it still works well with jack, eventough you get a lot of 'tried but couldn't sync A/D/A' messages and crackling noises with alsa.
before doctoring around, i really would only test your setup from a live-cd - just to check, if you can get a workable setup in one session. if not, and if you dislike tinkering around, then let it be, i'd say.
in order to test, if puredata & audio works for you, you need to perform the following steps (after you launched the live-cd):
http://www.ubuntugeek.com/how-to-enable-the-universe-and-multiverse-reposito...
if you come that far within a reasonable amount of time, ubuntu might be an option for you.
let us know your progess.
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On lun, 2009-05-11 at 13:09 +0200, Roman Haefeli wrote:
Hi,
I've tried FC but I've been a happy Ubuntu Studio 8.04 user for, well, about a year now. I used to run Debian sid, but compiling a RT-kernel was such a pain and such a time-consuming process (not to talk about the nVidia proprietary driver that made me mad a couple of time every year) that I was glad to switch to Ubuntu. The only drawxback: no Hardy Studio live CD. But it's very stable with Pd+Jack+Ardour+ Edirol UA25, 8ms delay on a Dell Laptop, easy to install, easy to maintain.
I even installed it on my older Shuttle running an old 1.3ghz AMD, and it runs like a charm.
++ OH
Here is my sources.list:
cat /etc/apt/sources.list # # deb cdrom:[Ubuntu-Studio 8.04 _Hardy Heron_ - Release i386 (20080423.1)]/ hardy main multiverse restricted universe
#deb cdrom:[Ubuntu-Studio 8.04 _Hardy Heron_ - Release i386 (20080423.1)]/ hardy main multiverse restricted universe # See http://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes for how to upgrade to # newer versions of the distribution.
deb http://fr.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hardy main restricted deb-src http://fr.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hardy main restricted
## Major bug fix updates produced after the final release of the ## distribution. deb http://fr.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hardy-updates main restricted deb-src http://fr.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hardy-updates main restricted
## N.B. software from this repository is ENTIRELY UNSUPPORTED by the Ubuntu ## team, and may not be under a free licence. Please satisfy yourself as to ## your rights to use the software. Also, please note that software in ## universe WILL NOT receive any review or updates from the Ubuntu security ## team. deb http://fr.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hardy universe deb-src http://fr.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hardy universe deb http://fr.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hardy-updates universe deb-src http://fr.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hardy-updates universe
## N.B. software from this repository is ENTIRELY UNSUPPORTED by the Ubuntu ## team, and may not be under a free licence. Please satisfy yourself as to ## your rights to use the software. Also, please note that software in ## multiverse WILL NOT receive any review or updates from the Ubuntu ## security team. deb http://fr.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hardy multiverse deb-src http://fr.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hardy multiverse deb http://fr.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hardy-updates multiverse deb-src http://fr.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hardy-updates multiverse
## Uncomment the following two lines to add software from the 'backports' ## repository. ## N.B. software from this repository may not have been tested as ## extensively as that contained in the main release, although it includes ## newer versions of some applications which may provide useful features. ## Also, please note that software in backports WILL NOT receive any review ## or updates from the Ubuntu security team. # deb http://fr.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hardy-backports main restricted universe multiverse # deb-src http://fr.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hardy-backports main restricted universe multiverse
## Uncomment the following two lines to add software from Canonical's ## 'partner' repository. This software is not part of Ubuntu, but is ## offered by Canonical and the respective vendors as a service to Ubuntu ## users. # deb http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu hardy partner # deb-src http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu hardy partner
deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hardy-security main restricted deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hardy-security main restricted deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hardy-security universe deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hardy-security universe deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hardy-security multiverse deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hardy-security multiverse
## ubuntu from scratch Labomedia.org ## all kinds of nice audio/video/driverq packages deb http://download.tuxfamily.org/ufs/ hardy main deb http://download.tuxfamily.org/ufs/ hardy-testing main
## medibuntu ## non-free codecs deb http://fr.packages.medibuntu.org/ hardy free non-free deb-src http://fr.packages.medibuntu.org/ hardy free non-free
## Pour les paquets supercollider et gedit-supercollider deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/artfwo/ubuntu hardy main deb-src http://ppa.launchpad.net/artfwo/ubuntu hardy main
Hi,
very nice to stop and spend some time - thanks a lot for your messages!
I should perhaps wait another 2 weeks until F10 is officially
released - if I'm still stuck I will get back to the list (or
directly to Adrian). As far as Pd is concerned, I'm running the
extended version on my macbook but honestly I find the out-of-the-box
integration of the my sound card AND the availability of fftease more
interesting on WinXP.
Thanks again! Perhaps a '2nd round' soon.
Jurgen
On Mon, 2009-05-11 at 20:11 +0800, Lao Yu wrote:
there is fftease for linux: http://www.sarc.qub.ac.uk/~elyon/LyonSoftware/MaxMSP/FFTease/
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On Tue, 2009-05-12 at 09:24 +0200, Matthias Blau wrote:
hm.. i wasn't able to find the original resource. i try to reconstruct everything from memory. it assumes, that you have jackd and qjackctl already configured, up and running.
get the package 'pulseaudio-module-jack' from: http://packages.debian.org/lenny/pulseaudio-module-jack
install it: gdebi-gtk pulseaudio-module-jack_0.9.10-3_<your_architecture>.deb
save the attached file as '.jackd.pa' to your home directory.
start qjackctl and go to the setup. change to the 'options' tab and: -check 'Execute script on Startup:' and fill the field with 'pulseaudio -k'. this will kill pulseaudio, as soon as jackd is started -check 'Execute script after Startup' and fill in: 'pulseaudio -n -F ~/.jackd.pa &' (without quotes)
now you have to (re)start the jackd server. check the 'Connections' window of qjackctl and you should see 'PulseAudio JACK Sink', respectively a 'PulseAudio JACK Source' port.
hope, that helps.
roman
hope, this helps.
roman