But the Pd.app is not an installer, you can put it anywhere, you can
burn it to a CD, whatever. Just double-click, and it'll run with
everything included. So an externals/etc. installer would be a lot of
work to make and would make things less usable.

The ones that I post on my site are test versions, so they are not
guaranteed to work. The one currently up there needs the
Jack.framework installed to run, for example. Once I get one that
works without serious problems, I'll post a release to the SourceForge
site. Currently, I am waiting to see if we can get the flext stuff
included before I make a final release.

.hc

On Jun 2, 2005, at 3:20 AM, günter geiger wrote:

I used Millers version in a workshop and it worked perfectly. This makes me think that probably it would be better to have only one installer for pd, and an additional one for the externals. This would avoid lots of confusion about which installer to use.

Guenter

On Wed, 1 Jun 2005, thewade wrote:

...

Hello, smello,

I am trying to help a friend by phone to install PD on her mac but I am unfimilar with OsX. I directed her to: http://at.or.at/hans/pd/installers.html and she dragged the dmg to the desktop and nothing happened so she clicked on it and there was no .app file. She dragged the pd-0.39test2-extended-rc0 file (no .app file extension) into the applications folder on her HD. When she did this and doubble clicked on it it launched, the menubar at the top of the screen indicated that pd was open(ing) but when she moused over the menu->file dropdown it would give her the osX spinning colorwheel thinking icon. She had to force PD to quit as regular quit would not respond. I tried to direct her to where the logfiles would be in linux-land but there was no /var/log/messages.

Q1: Where are the osX system logfiles kept? Q2: How do we get PD installed on osX?

Thanks y'all! -thewade

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On Jun 3, 2005, at 2:44 PM, B. Bogart wrote:

Yes....

On my todo list I have the task of:

#1. Take a look at Thomas F.O.'s installer and see why he wants it "that" way.

#2. Try Hans's RC's for 38 and 39

#3. Make pixelTANGO work in Hans's

I think it would work currently if you just replace PixelTANGO.app with
Pd-0.38-4-extendedRC0.app in the /Applications/PixelTANGO folder. But
it would be awesome if the absolute path stuff could be fixed so it
could become part of the standard distros, including Windows and
GNU/Linux.

#4. See if any ideas from Thomas's installer are worth integrating

#5. Do a prototype of the patch searching/indexing system.

#6. Release it all as a prototype of the future SINGLE STANDARD .app
for OSX. :)

That's what I am working towards... I want to wrap it up for now since
I am sunk many days into it recently. After that, I probably won't
make another release until 0.39 is stable. Of course, anyone else is
welcome to, its all in CVS. The more, the merrier...

I mean ".app" here and not "installer" per-se.

How can we make PD consistant on other platforms? Easy enough in
windows to make something similar to the .app. On linux how could this be done? One option (ugly) I see is to create a mirror of the .app idea for linux, with a similar tree. This is standalone, no packages, no dependancies, everything included.. (sounds ugly) and some cute method for putting it in the gnome/kde menu... For the user this could be great, all you do is untar and go, like firefox on linux. I guess the same thing could happen with packages?

I had the same thought. It'd be ugly, but it'd work. Maybe it'd be
good for a temporary solution. Even better would be to update the
debian package stuff to be integrated into a cross-platform build
system. Also, it would be very helpful if the PlanetCCRMA RPM code was
in packages/planetccrma_rpm. Then that could be integrated as well. I
tried to get Nando from CCRMA and Marc Lavalee to upload their stuff,
but it never happened.

Anyone working on a linux versions of the OSX and windows package building scripts in CVS?

I've been meaning to pull out the cross-platform parts of
packages/darwin_app/Makefile and make a cross-platform
packages/Makefile so that there would be a standard layout of installed
stuff.

.hc

B>

� wrote:

...

I used Millers version in a workshop and it worked perfectly. This makes me think that probably it would be better to have only one installer for pd, and an additional one for the externals. This would avoid lots of confusion about which installer to use.

Guenter

On Wed, 1 Jun 2005, thewade wrote:

...

Hello, smello,

I am trying to help a friend by phone to install PD on her mac but I am unfimilar with OsX. I directed her to: http://at.or.at/hans/pd/installers.html and she dragged the dmg to the desktop and nothing happened so she clicked on it and there was no .app file. She dragged the pd-0.39test2-extended-rc0 file (no .app file extension) into the applications folder on her HD. When she did this and doubble clicked on it it launched, the menubar at the top of the screen indicated that pd was open(ing) but when she moused over the menu->file dropdown it would give her the osX spinning colorwheel thinking icon. She had to force PD to quit as regular quit would not respond. I tried to direct her to where the logfiles would be in linux-land but there was no /var/log/messages.

Q1: Where are the osX system logfiles kept? Q2: How do we get PD installed on osX?

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Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:

On Jun 3, 2005, at 2:44 PM, B. Bogart wrote:

...

Yes....

On my todo list I have the task of:

#1. Take a look at Thomas F.O.'s installer and see why he wants it "that" way.

...

#2. Try Hans's RC's for 38 and 39

#3. Make pixelTANGO work in Hans's

I think it would work currently if you just replace PixelTANGO.app with Pd-0.38-4-extendedRC0.app in the /Applications/PixelTANGO folder. But it would be awesome if the absolute path stuff could be fixed so it could become part of the standard distros, including Windows and GNU/Linux.

makes sense. I'm not sure the best way to deal with the standard path issue... From the PD world the path to the toplevel patch (example) is not the best place to look for "abstractions" relative to. Since the paths get setup in tcl, I should be able to access those values using tot right? Do these values get set when PD loads the pdsettings? Can I trust these values? This would also help a lot with the help-patch searching and indexing since we can;t be sure *-help.pd is in extra/

Anyone using Linux or Windows in such a way that there are global (installed) externals in Program Files, but then also user-added externals in the home directory? Does expanduser() in python work as expected in windows?

...

#4. See if any ideas from Thomas's installer are worth integrating

#5. Do a prototype of the patch searching/indexing system.

#6. Release it all as a prototype of the future SINGLE STANDARD .app for OSX. :)

That's what I am working towards... I want to wrap it up for now since I am sunk many days into it recently. After that, I probably won't make another release until 0.39 is stable. Of course, anyone else is welcome to, its all in CVS. The more, the merrier...

Ah, I like it when we're going the same direction. Hopefully I'll be able to get on it soon. I'll take another look at the build system time permitting. for now maybe just creating a tarball of everything for linux would be a start, until the package experts find some more time.

...

I mean ".app" here and not "installer" per-se.

How can we make PD consistant on other platforms? Easy enough in windows to make something similar to the .app. On linux how could this be done? One option (ugly) I see is to create a mirror of the .app idea for linux, with a similar tree. This is standalone, no packages, no dependancies, everything included.. (sounds ugly) and some cute method for putting it in the gnome/kde menu... For the user this could be great, all you do is untar and go, like firefox on linux. I guess the same thing could happen with packages?

I had the same thought. It'd be ugly, but it'd work. Maybe it'd be good for a temporary solution. Even better would be to update the debian package stuff to be integrated into a cross-platform build system. Also, it would be very helpful if the PlanetCCRMA RPM code was in packages/planetccrma_rpm. Then that could be integrated as well. I tried to get Nando from CCRMA and Marc Lavalee to upload their stuff, but it never happened.

yeah... could be great for dynebolic and such liveCDs, great for PD on a usb-key... Well my new machine will be debian so maybe I'll be able to look at this. Nando?

...

Anyone working on a linux versions of the OSX and windows package building scripts in CVS?

I've been meaning to pull out the cross-platform parts of packages/darwin_app/Makefile and make a cross-platform packages/Makefile so that there would be a standard layout of installed stuff.

Great. Thanks for the efforts HC.

B>

.hc