New subject: re-linking video libraries - stabilizing libraries.

8 Sep 2008

      I'm having trouble with Pd and video on....

g4 portable - titanium, 1 gig RAM - 0sx.3.9, osx.4.11

gem is unstable, as is pidip

minimac intel  1.83 mhz duo - mac 10.4.11 runs great!! but

a) Ubuntu 2.6.20-16-generic - gem cannot acces vid libraries, nor can  pidip
b) Dyne:bolic /2618ck1d.krn - gem cannot find libs, nor can pidip nor gridflow
on both Ubuntu and Dyne .... Kino functions..... Meaning there must be a bad refernce or library use ....
Can I relink or grep these?  
Any ideas why we are good on mac, but on the same computer, bad for linux?
So, can I link these libraries to Kino's dependencies?  or to ffmpeg?  How??
finally,  on an older HP omnibook, 
I cannot get Ubuntu dapper, or Feisty(upgraded) or Dynebolic (with Pure:dyne modules) to function with any video program....yet....
Thus, no gem or gridflow or pidip video.....
thanks,
Mark
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Capturing computer s own video stream (simone-www.io-lab.org)
Re: mrmr + iphone + pd (Steffen Juul)
Re: Capturing computer s own video stream (husk)
Re: mrmr + iphone + pd (mark edward grimm)
tcpclient sending more than 1 send at once (Enrique Erne)
AVLAB 1.0 - Call for Collaborators (Hans-Christoph Steiner)
Re: netpd server crashes (Roman Haefeli)
Re: select audio & midi from patch (Roman Haefeli)
Re: select audio & midi from patch (tim)

Message: 1
Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 12:08:01 +0200
From: simone-www.io-lab.org cimo75@gmail.com
Subject: [PD] Capturing computer s own video stream
To: "pd-list@iem.at data" pd-list@iem.at
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hi (again)
i would like to be able to capture part of the screen of the computer
where pure data is running: some kind of video snapshot in real time.
For example: get a window 400x400 offset 600+400 on screen:0 and send
it to position 0+0 to screen:1 or send it to another machine via OSC
Simone
-- 
.wmv , .wma , .pps along with all proprietary Windows formats won t be
accepted and/or viewed....

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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 14:55:48 +0200
From: Steffen Juul stffn@dibidut.dk
Subject: Re: [PD] mrmr + iphone + pd
To: mgrimm@syr.edu
Cc: pd_list pd-list@iem.at
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On 06/09/2008, at 17.20, mark edward grimm wrote:

> hello,
>
> i just noticed that cydia offers 'mrmr' on the 2.0 jailbroken

> iphones. i never tried it on the old 1.1.4 firmware so im not

> certain how to connect the iphone to pd. im on osx 10.5. is there a

> tutorial on how to make the connection to send osc?

There is this: http://poly.share.dj/helpfiles/mrmr_quickstart/ 
mrmr_quickstart.pdf

The interface builder (mrmrIB) doesn't seam to run on 10.4 but on

10.5 - so your are lucky. I haven't tried the IB yet as i don't run

10.5, but i was to make a performance app/interface combo for a

friend who got one of them phones. It doesn't say much about it in

the tutorial but i suspect that while building the interface you'd

give the widgets a "OSC-name". I would be nice to know what you cook
up.

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Message: 3
Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2008 21:25:10 +0800
From: husk husk00@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [PD] Capturing computer s own video stream
To: "pd-list@iem.at data" pd-list@iem.at
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simone-www.io-lab.org escribi?:
> hi (again)
> i would like to be able to capture part of the screen of the computer
> where pure data is running: some kind of video snapshot in real time.
> For example: get a window 400x400 offset 600+400 on screen:0 and send
> it to position 0+0 to screen:1 or send it to another machine via OSC
> Simone
>

Hi, with PDP you can use pdp_capture for do it

maybe performances are not so good...

bye
Husk
>
>

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Message: 4
Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 07:11:52 -0700 (PDT)
From: mark edward grimm mgrimm@syr.edu
Subject: Re: [PD] mrmr + iphone + pd
To: Steffen Juul stffn@dibidut.dk
Cc: pd_list pd-list@iem.at
Message-ID: 295470.42486.qm@web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com
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well after banging my head against the wall for a couple hours late yesterday
afternoon i found the trouble to be with the 'pipeline' object in my
patch...

it also was odd that i couldn't connect prior to firing up the interface
builder (mrmrIB) app. once i did that that mrmr auto-connected upon launch
whether mrmrIB was launched or not.

also i noticed that mrmr does not seem to retain its port settings - i have to
re-type it in every time the app is launched.

once its running it controls my patch just fine and fairly fast!

> I would be nice to
> know what you cook up.

just using it as demo for my students right now. all incoming freshman received
a free 'ipod touch' with the purchase of a mac - so they all have the
means to experiment now! fun fun....

mark

--- On Sun, 9/7/08, Steffen Juul stffn@dibidut.dk wrote:

> From: Steffen Juul stffn@dibidut.dk
> Subject: Re: [PD] mrmr + iphone + pd
> To: mgrimm@syr.edu
> Cc: "pd_list" pd-list@iem.at
> Date: Sunday, September 7, 2008, 8:55 AM
> On 06/09/2008, at 17.20, mark edward grimm wrote:
> 
> > hello,
> >
> > i just noticed that cydia offers 'mrmr' on the
> 2.0 jailbroken

> > iphones. i never tried it on the old 1.1.4 firmware so
> im not

> > certain how to connect the iphone to pd. im on osx
> 10.5. is there a

> > tutorial on how to make the connection to send osc?
> 
> There is this:
> http://poly.share.dj/helpfiles/mrmr_quickstart/ 
> mrmr_quickstart.pdf
> 
> The interface builder (mrmrIB) doesn't seam to run on
> 10.4 but on

> 10.5 - so your are lucky. I haven't tried the IB yet as
> i don't run

> 10.5, but i was to make a performance app/interface combo
> for a

> friend who got one of them phones. It doesn't say much
> about it in

> the tutorial but i suspect that while building the
> interface you'd

> give the widgets a "OSC-name". I would be nice to
> know what you cook up.

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Message: 5
Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2008 10:59:38 -0400
From: Enrique Erne enrique@netpd.org
Subject: [PD] tcpclient sending more than 1 send at once
To: pd-list@iem.at
Message-ID: 48C3EC5A.3000603@netpd.org
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hi martin and the list

if i send [send 11, send 22, send 33, send 44, send 55(
to [tcpclient] the [tcpserver] prints

receive: 11 22 33 44 55

actually i expected to get 5 messages back. is this a bug or am i wrong?

thanks eni

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Message: 6
Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 12:38:11 -0400
From: Hans-Christoph Steiner hans@eds.org
Subject: [PD] AVLAB 1.0 - Call for Collaborators
To: "pd-list@iem.at data" pd-list@iem.at
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<International Project Development Workshop>

Call for Collaborators
AVLAB 1.0

In Medialab-Prado (Madrid / Spain), from September 17 through October

1, 2008
Submissions deadline: September 15, 2008

Medialab-Prado issues a call for all those interested in taking part

in the AVLAB 1.0 collaborating in the development of the selected

proposals. These ten projects aim to use open source hardware and

software tools to create prototypes that explore the relation between

sound and all those artistic practices where audio and image intersect.

Submission Form and Call Guidelines:
http://medialab-prado.es/article/taller_avlab_10_- 
_convocatoria_para_colaboradores

Abstracts of selected Projects:
http://medialab-prado.es/article/list_of_selected_projects

Workshop general guidelines:
http://medialab-prado.es/article/avlab_10

Go to AVLAB 1.0 forum and contact authors, teachers and other

collaborators:
http://forommm.intermediae.es/viewforum.php?id=11

In collaboration with EXPERIMENTACLUB 08 and the Centro para la

Difusi?n de la M?sica Contempor?nea.

More information: www.medialab-prado.es

------------------------------------------------------------------------ 
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Access to computers should be unlimited and total.  - the hacker ethic

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Message: 7
Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2008 20:05:30 +0200
From: Roman Haefeli reduzierer@yahoo.de
Subject: Re: [PD] netpd server crashes
To: pd-list@iem.at
Message-ID: 1220810730.6499.31.camel@yoyo
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hi john

sorry for late reply (i currently only have internet sporadically)

i tried to make a netpd-server based on [tcpserver] from mrpeach instead
of [netserver] from maxlib. it wasn't that straightforward as i thought
in the beginning, because i had to use another library pdstring from
moocow in order to convert string to ascii and vice versa. also i had to
'implement' the FUDI protocol to make the new server behave exactly
like
the old one. i was running the new server on netpd.org for testing and
it seemed to work at first glance. BUT: when i tried to upload some
patches to other clients, transmission didn't work at all. it always
stopped at some point. i hadn't the time to figure out, what exactly was
going on, so i just switched back to the old server (netpd-server.pd).

you'll find all the different servers on:

http://www.netpd.org/server

right now, don't use 'netpd-server-tcpserver.pd', which is
unfortunately
broken. the other ones are based on [netserver] and might crash after a
while, but at least the seem to fully work beside that.

------------

just for your information:
i am not happy about the 'proprietary' FUDI based protocol, that netpd
uses right now. we (eni and me) are trying to port netpd to plain OSC
protocol. therefore i implemented an OSC proxy server in pd. it is
currently running on netpd.org on the port 8003. what it does is simply
forwarding OSC packets to all/specific clients according to the first
field in the OSC address pattern. if everything is going to work well,
netpd will use OSC in the future (i hope this makes it easier to connect
netpd with other projects). you'll find the specs on:

http://www.netpd.org/server (lower section)

roman

On Thu, 2008-09-04 at 15:01 -0500, John Harrison wrote:
> Roman I haven't checked out the server yet. :-( Is it working for you?
> Also will there be a live patch jam this coming Tues CEST 22:00? I
> couldn't find it on the website. If it is happening, I'll gear up
some
> people for it.
> 
> -John
> 
> Roman Haefeli wrote: 
> > On Fri, 2008-08-08 at 08:25 -0500, John Harrison wrote:
> >

> > > My interest has been piqued by netpd and a bunch of us here have
been 
> > > playing with it. It's pretty fantastic --- there's only
one caveat, 
> > > which is that the netpd server crashes and pretty easily at
that. I've 
> > > seen the netpd.org server crash a bunch of times now. I
downloaded and 
> > > installed the server patch on an ubuntu Gutsy machine and that
crashes 
> > > similarly. I looked at the patch --- nothing too complex. I
suspect 
> > > there is nothing wrong with the patch itself.
> > > 
> > > I'm suspecting the problem is with netserver, written by
Olaf Matthes . 
> > > I suspect this because netsend~ and netreceive~ crash in my use
in 
> > > similar ways to what I am seeing now with netpd --- Olaf Matthes
wrote 
> > > those too. I was wondering if anybody could confirm or refute
that 
> > > netserver is what is crashing netpd. It would be great if we
fixed this. 
> > > In general I think we have a problem with some externals
involving 
> > > network communication and if we fixed this in several of the
externals 
> > > maybe we would solve a bunch of problems at once. I might be up
for a 
> > > shot at it myself.
> > > 
> > > -John
> > >

> > 
> > hi john
> > 
> > i made a new server patch, this time based on [tcpserver]. this one
is
> > also much cleaner than the old one. unfortunately it requires also
> > [any2string] and [string2any] from pdstring from moocow. 
> > 
> > you'll find the patch (and also the older versions) on:
> > 
> > http://www.netpd.org/server
> > 
> > i am currently running this one on netpd.org and i am interested to
see,
> > whether it is possible to crash it or not. it would be good to have
any
> > feedback from you as well.
> > 
> > roman
> > 
> > 
> > 
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Message: 8
Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2008 20:05:49 +0200
From: Roman Haefeli reduzierer@yahoo.de
Subject: Re: [PD] select audio & midi from patch
To: pd-list@iem.at
Message-ID: 1220810749.6499.33.camel@yoyo
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8

hi svend

you can send some message to [s pd] to change sound and midi settings.
those messages aren't documented anywhere, though (is that correct?).
however, you could do the following:

[r pd]
|
[print settings]

then go the menu, choose your settings and hit <ok> and you will see
some output. write the output to a [messagebox( (separate each line with
a comma), which is connected to [s pd] and bang the
[messagebox( whenever you like to restore those exact settings.

with a bit of playing around, you might be able to figure out, what each
number in the message is used for. then you would be able to compose
correct messages without using the above hack.

roman

roman
On Sat, 2008-09-06 at 18:11 -0400, svend foyn wrote:
> Hi list 
>

> It's possible to view and change the audio settings from a patch? and
> with midi settings?? 
> I was looking for the internal messages, but there is nothing with
> audio & midi. 
> I hope there's a way to do it.
>

> Thanks!
> sf 
> 
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Message: 9
Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2008 20:40:35 +0200
From: tim info@timvets.net
Subject: Re: [PD] select audio & midi from patch
To: reduzierer@yahoo.de, pd-list@iem.at
Message-ID: 1220812835.9464.6.camel@thinkstudio.telenet.be
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On Sun, 2008-09-07 at 20:05 +0200, Roman Haefeli wrote:
> hi svend
> 
> you can send some message to [s pd] to change sound and midi settings.
> those messages aren't documented anywhere, though (is that correct?).
> however, you could do the following:
> 
> [r pd]
> |
> [print settings]
> 
> then go the menu, choose your settings and hit <ok> and you will see
> some output. write the output to a [messagebox( (separate each line with
> a comma), which is connected to [s pd] and bang the
> [messagebox( whenever you like to restore those exact settings.
> 
> with a bit of playing around, you might be able to figure out, what each
> number in the message is used for. then you would be able to compose
> correct messages without using the above hack.
> 
> roman
> 

hello,

A while ago I had a related problem, (iirc, starting pd with -alsamidi
flag didn't show the midi ports to aconnect rightaway)

I did this:
use [r pd]--[print] to see what pd gets sent when you click the menu,
and use pd -alsamidi -send "; pd ...whatever the message was"

so my start-up command looked somewhat like this:
pd -alsamidi -send "; pd midi-dialog 1 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 1 1"

It did _not_ work when I tried it inside the pd patch with a [message(,
but only by putting this in the start-up command.

gr,
Tim

> roman
> On Sat, 2008-09-06 at 18:11 -0400, svend foyn wrote:
> > Hi list 
> >

> > It's possible to view and change the audio settings from a patch?
and
> > with midi settings?? 
> > I was looking for the internal messages, but there is nothing with
> > audio & midi. 
> > I hope there's a way to do it.
> >

> > Thanks!
> > sf 
> > 
> > 
> >
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